white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 everyone criticizes because the southern flag is bad because it represents slavery. but nobody says that the United States flag represents the death of true Americans and the theft of territory.
@@nextstar55 not only for blacks but also for Native Americans. but it is part of the history of our country and nothing can be done because they protest against the southern flag but nobody protests for the flag of the United States. practically the history of the United States is blood, hatred and racism
CIA DisinfoShillAgent Where did you find this source of information because in the south they fought along side the white confederates. The north kept them as cooks and laborers. They did not want to give them guns for fear of being turned on after the war. The north still maintained black slaves after the Civil War. There was an all black union group, but they were sent on a suicide attack on the fort in the Carolina's and were all killed.
CIA DisinfoShillAgent This much denial of the real truth is equally disturbing about you. I can not laugh at you, but only sympathize with your lack of knowledge.
+cheryl wallace There is no enlistment records of any Black man fighting for the confederacy. Not one. The few the trained in march of 65 never saw combat.
MrFredstt Absolutely. The first military monument in the U.S. capitol that honors the African-American soldier is The Confederate monument at Arlington National Cemetery. The monument was designed in 1914 by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish Confederate, who wanted to correctly portray the racial makeup of the Confederate Army. A black Confederate soldier is shown marching in step with white Confederate soldiers. Also shown is one white soldier giving his child to a black woman for protection.
Powderfinger Again, Powderfingrer is an example of the lazy Marxist revisionist, It's easier to attack the messenger than to do his own research. Once exposed he starts lashing out.
But that misses the point. History is not about who wrote it. Its about what happened, objectively. Facts are facts, and historians need to cease with personal bias. Fortunately in the information age and the internet, indoctrination and omitting history to fit a certain perspective or agenda is impossible. This is why anyone who actually goes out of their way to learn the thorough history of the Civil War, or WW2 for that matter, realizes that both sides of almost any war had legitimate reasons
unless you commit 100% genocide and destroy all records then history is written by the survivors on either side; it is just that the victors have access to greater publicity for the first couple of generations. Or has America forgotten Wounded knee?
Londre Gilkey The emancipation proclamation ONLY freed slaves that were in "confederate occupied territory". All other slaves were to remain slaves, including the slaves in the NORTHERN states, as well as southern states but in the hands of the union troops. This is simply nothing more than what Lincoln said he would do in his response to Horace Greeleys open letter to Lincoln asking him to free the slaves. Important Note: At this point in history the war had already begun. (The war did not start over this order) FYI - The emancipation proclamation was an unconstitutional executive order. The Constitution granted NO authority to a president to make such a demand on the states, their slaves, or people, etc..
I’m not going to waste my time worrying about these Confederate statues; that’s wasted energy. You know what I’m gonna do? I’m going to keep doing great things; I’m going to keep trying to make a difference, number one, in the black community, because I’m black, but I’m also going to try to do good things in the world. I’m not going to waste my time screaming at a neo-Nazi who’s gonna hate me, no matter what; and I’m not going to waste my time, trying to, worried about these statues that they’ve got all over the country.I’ve always ignored them. … Rick, I’m 54 years old; I’ve never thought about those statues a day in my life. I’ve never - I think if you ask most black people, to be honest, they ain’t thought a day in their life about those stupid statues. What we as black people need to do, we need to worry about getting our education; we need to stop killing each other; we need to try to find a way to have more economic opportunity and things like that. Don’t waste - those things are important and significant. I’m wasting time and energy screaming at a neo-Nazi, or “Man, you gotta take this statue down." Charles Barkley!
Londre Gilkey The civil war happened because The North wanted to control the South. In the South at that time had a lot of RICH plantation owners. Abolishing slavery was in the interest of the North to over throw the South. Let's not forget slaves fight for the South to keep things as they were. It was about MONEY, POWER and controlling the Land. Ending Slavery was the justification for killing other Americans. Slavery is wrong and I do not agree with it and the truth needs to be told and not some one-sided.
It's an outright disgrace that the REAL AMERICAN HISTORY hasn't been taught for such a long time in our schools. That should be a punishable crime by imprisonment. A country cannot ignore its history or wash it away. It must be taught true and correct and not by any political means to achieve something. THANK YOU FOR POSTING TRUE HISTORY.
One of my ancestors, H.F. McWilliams, rode in Forrest's cavalry. He started out in Colonel Jeffrey Forrest's cavalry. But when Jeffrey was killed, he went into N.B. Forrest's cavalry. Another ancestor, Emory Matthew Carpenter, rode in Captain Nash's Leake Rangers. I'm a proud SCV.
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
The are Eldery People Alive Today (2013) who actual met and knew Civil War veterans when they were young kids. I always wanted see a real Civil War veteran on screen with sound. Thanks for posting.
I know it’s been 8 years since you commented and I don’t have a clue if you are still active but you just look up civil war interviews on TH-cam there’s some really cool stories veterans gave on both sides of the war.
I am 74 and as a small child I met a man who was well over 100 and had been a Confederate drummer boy. My grandmothers best friend owned a hotel in Brenham, Texas there was a coffee shop that served breakfast and lunch this elderly man wore a cream linen jacket and was never given a check tompay formhis food. His food was always free to honor his service. I talked to him once ...he was a very nice man
Fought? As in armed? No. Slaves being ordered to dig ditches is not fighting for the Confederacy. Few blacks, free or slave, were armed combat soldiers in the Confederacy.
@@1500Chevy How many armed free blacks fought for the Confederacy? Do you know? I bet you can't even come close. Very few. Slaves who were ordered to dig trenches had no say in the matter. But 200,000 blacks, mostly Confederate slaves DID fight in combat units-for the Union.
@@1500Chevy There is no credible evidence in this film or anywhere that any significant numbers of blacks, free or slave, were armed and fought for the Confederacy. Once again you have utterly failed to produce any evidence that they did. You lose.
happy to see this. My ancestors were Confederate soldiers and although we are recognized by "Daughters of American Revolution" it makes me mad to see that by most Americans this whole area is ignored and all the "false truths" about the South. Videos like these are so valuable because history is being erased and rewritten at a rapid pace...thanks for posting!
Agree wholeheartedly. I'm actually in the process of filming some revolutionary get-togethers now, and I'm downloading these much older videos too. They're all going in a faraday time capsule. I think it might be even more impactful if more people with your sentiment do the same thing. :)
One thing I've learned studying the Civil War during my life is the South was bankrolled by New York City banks. I learned this taking history tours of lower Manhattan. You NEVER hear that in a history class or in most books. A very interesting unknown fact.
Who funded the reconstruction? Surely it wasn't any southern state that had no monetary system due to their government collapsing. What a stupid fcuking comment.
The story of the black Confederate is one that is not well known. Many of these men and women thought of themselves as Southern first and black second. It is telling that the racism held in the North was far more virulent than that of the South, with many black who had run North, returned in disillusionment. In fact, the Union was astounded that not only did many blacks not welcome Union troops, many actively fought them and hated them with a passion. The issue of slavery is a very complex one and it is not as simply understood as many would have you believe and the Civil War was not only a war about the issue of slavery, but also of the tyranny of government. If you would know more, I recommend the book Black Confederates by Barrow, Segars, and Rosenburg.
You are likely correct, but that does not mean that they are true. Grant had to threaten to execute an entire unit to get them to fight alongside blacks. The South had blacks and whites fighting together shoulder to shoulder. The Union offered freedom to black confederates that they captured, but they refused the oath and entered the POW camps. The truth is rarely as simple as most people think that it is.
William Stout same thing with the Jews ....Grant forced all Jews to clear out of any town he was in ..Gen.Lee wrote letters apologizing deeply to confederate Jews if they had to fight on holy days
William Stout I'm sure many of the southern blacks had also been completely indoctrinated and brainwashed by the whites they were fighting with. Not to mention that most of them were born into slavery and were probably fighting beside their masters much like a trained dog would do with their owner.
Absolutely, but the South were clearly fighting to preserve slavery. There were obviously Confederates that were great men but it wasn't the most righteous of causes lol
@@michaelhauser6440 Any claim you can possibly make about an event you weren't at is shakey at best. But yes I do agree the main reason was slavery but, probably not in the way the majority of people seem to think though. Northern banking interests arguably have as much to do with it as slavery did.
@@cac9926 It’s not my claim. It’s every Civil War historians claim. Don’t be a hypocrite. You were never at any important events ever but you still believe in them because of experts opinions based off of evidence. By your logic you shouldn’t believe in anything because you weren’t there. Genius
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 you are so naive. I suggest you do some unbiased research into actual history and personal accounts before you storm into comment sections with complete nonsense. You argue with opinion rather than fact. Nothing personal against you, but you aren’t doing yourself a favor.
No shit talk here man...All state All pro...No scared bones in this body ese but why am I talking to u...unless you're trying to see these hands stfu...cause all u r is talk and that's all that's gonna come out of this conversation so now you're boring me...DISMISSED!...😂
dameyale royster isn't it odd that Confederates like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson taught their slaves to read , built chapels for them on their plantations and led Bible Studies for them? Lee freed his slaves before the war. But U.S. Grant and and Abraham Lincoln retained their slaves. The Lee's and Jacksons were not unique in this. Many slave owners felt it was their Christian duty to teach slaves to read the Bible. Many slaves during that time were named after Greek and Roman literature heroes. From that, I'm inclined to believe they read Classic literature at the time. It wasn't at all like the fictional "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
Left alone to continue Genocide..um nope. African descendants should NEVER have had to refer to the southerners as masters. NOT in any lifetime. Burn Confederacy burn.
@Mark Priest The white supremacists still think its 1600, 1700, 1800, 1900, etc...they just wont quit on some Puff Daddy "Can't Stop, Won't Stop" bull$hit. Hard left liberals are probably destined to destroy the USA. Objective individuals see the truth for what it is. Moderates & Conservatives are on that conserve the status queue which does not favor the majority of non-white Americans. You are free to go back to your daughter's of the Confederacy reprogramming.
@@swooshgamez9791 Yassir I do. Two sides of the same coin. I would happily sandblast ALL of those faces off of Mount Rushmore including Lincoln's but for the sake of this conversation the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
@@theend92 you do not make your argument correct by lunging out. You only make yourself look bad. People acting the way you do is why there’s more divide in our country, because being ignorant and belligerent gets nobody anywhere. Genuine conversation is how agreements are made. If you wanna make a change you need to appeal to the persons attention and respect. You failed that.
@@MeatPez sure wish we had more folks like you visiting our parks down here. You are a very polite and honest person it sounds, and I appreciate reading your understanding comments. God bless you and yours from a West Tn Gray descendant sir.
@@westtnskirmishlog6820 appreciate it man, I just don’t understand people sometimes. If someone wants to get their point across, being wild won’t do a thing.
On Dec. 15, 2023, Army National Military Cemeteries (ANMC) completed the Section 106 process as part of the federally mandated removal of the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery. 🎉🎉🎉🎉😭🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Those men were clearly mentally defeated suffering Stockholm syndrome or maybe they just hedged their bets that they "might" actually be free either way. I'll tell you what tho', I'd trust the word of satan before an enslaver's. 1 commenter used the word "humanitarian" . It is impossible on any plane of existence to be a humanitarian while participating in & profiting from kidnapping, human trafficking & forced labor. This whole thing is a bullshit take! No thanks!!
Mixed regiments that also conveniently part of the Southern aristocracy, and were a minority under constant pressure from the Confederate officials and were disbanded on numerous occasions. Even though integration took way too damn long it actually stayed in place throughout the war and is around today.
As a white patriotic American (and I hate to have to put the word white in this statement) I have the utmost respect and love for all our men in military. We are all true Americans. Thank you to those who have been forgotten. In my mind and heart you will never be forgotten. Why are these facts not taught in our schools.
there used to be a old BBQ restaurant in morrow ga and it had all sorts of civil war relic's one of them was a picture of an old black man in Confederate uniform the date of the picture had to be from the late 1960s morrow played an important role in the battle of Atlanta
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 He also resigned after the KKK got too violent. An interesting bargain that Forrest gave them to get their freedom one way or the other. The whole system was messed up but there were a few free blacks in the south even when slavery was legal.
@@jw6241 I mean they try to downplay the slavery aspect, but the Southern states mentioned slavery when they seceded. Of course, economics was part of it, I mean the North didn't accept the idea of more slave states and the Southerners having their "free" labor there.
General Forrest’s Account of his 45 Black Confederates: “Better Confederates Did Not Live” Both slaves and Free Men of Color served with Forrest's Escort, his Headquarters, and many other units under his command (Rollins, 1994). General Forrest took 45 slaves to war in 1861. He told a Congressional committee after the war: I said to 45 colored fellows on my plantation that I was going into the army; and if they would go with me, if we got whipped they would be free anyhow, and that if we succeeded and slavery was perpetrated, if they would act faithfully with me to the end of the war, I would set them free. Eighteen months before the war closed I was satisfied that we were going to be defeated, and I gave those 45, or 44 of them, their free papers for fear I might be called. In July of 1875, the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association (Forerunner of the NAACP) invited Nathan Bedford Forrest to speak to their organization. In his speech Forrest demonstrated his personal sentiments to the organization which differed from that of the Klan. Forrest was the first Caucasian to be invited to speak before the Association. Forrest advocated racial reconciliation through his personal sentiments which he shared with the Association. In this his last public speech which the New York Times described as a “friendly speech” Forrest was offered a bouquet of flowers by a black woman. He cordially received the flowers as a token of reconciliation between black and Caucasian races. Nathan Bedford Forrest espoused a radical agenda of quality and harmony between black and white Americans. Here is Nathan Bedford Forrest’s speech delivered to the independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association: "Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation. I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt - that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don't believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgment in selecting men for office and vote as you think right. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.)
@Victor Mace seems like a near death bed conversion. In no way adjust documented history of his membership and leadership of the KKK. It is entirely possible the formerly enslaved members of his unit were grateful for being freed but also are pragmatic about the potential real effect that speaking against or even neutrality about Forrest could have on them and their families.
I was fascinated with this speech and found the actual newspaper article covering the talk and speeches given by other former Confederates. Its really quite fascinating. The only thing I struggle with is what happened to the goodwill and support that the others offered to give as well? There are no "rebuttals" from the Pole Bearers Association that I could find in print. Given what followed over the next few decades (Jim Crow and segregation), I cannot help but wonder if they were just empty word for a greater motive. I'm still on the fence.
Real Confederacy (boots on the ground) was about defending state's rights. Politics above them were about preserving/expanding slavery. I get your meaning and I agree, but the Confederacy isn't exactly what's to blame here. Just like today, it's grayer and layered with complications in ways history books will never tell.
@@konspiracy9895 "Boots on the ground" soldiers also came home after the war and fought tooth and nail to deny black people the most basic rights of their newly won freedom. I'm not discounting the "higher principles" Johnny Reb fought for, but his interests were likely also thoroughly identified with the preservation of the "status quo". Recinstruction is IMO proof thereof.
@@konspiracy9895 Recordings of former slaves, Abram Colby, etc. I dont discount the fact that SOME confederates ONLY fought for redeemable principles, but Reconstruction effectively proves that wasnt the case for most soldiers.
The south isn't about race, it's about unity and loving your fellow American and never being ashamed of your beliefs. Thank you God for making me southern
Don't you mean, "Thank you Lucifer" for making me Southern ?" If the South wasn't about race wouldn't that make it the "North" ? LOL !! Unity ?! Loving your fellow American ?! Shouldn't that be ...Loving your fellow Caucasion of European Decent ? Not 1% Caucasian,Not 50% Caucasian,Not 80 % or 90% Caucasian but 100% Caucasian ?! Beliefs ??!! You mean claim that you believe in God but reject Jesus and deny the power there of ? To hate the Jews because God chosen them...then turn aroung a and claim that you're the chosen of God ?? Hmmm... Don't make GOD laugh !
Brave solders of a dreamed democracy ! Brave ,honest in their needs and their dead !This must take honorable place in the american history not only ,but in the world 's one !
You get traitors in all societies. I believe the blacks that fought on a side that wanted to keep them in bondage suffered from Stockholm Syndrome' . They were literally in mental slavery.
Let us all fight to put the truth out there so these men shall never be forgotten. Call your local, state and federal political leaders and call them on the crap they have pushed to separate us.
@Exactly brother that's way it's been since this all started in 2000 when that took our flag off my South Carolina capitol been can here the truth here in the doc here and still don't wanna believe the truth like you said we have talked about this before in the past around home so menny people wanna hate just what they truly don't understand our even wanna take the time to listen our to even want to understand its like after a while they just want it one way just to say anthor God bless you and your family bro
@@bobbyjohnson9814 South Carolina the beautiful and spectacular state of the south. I believe that the politicians have ripped our flag down because of what else? Money. The Battle flag has been made scary to the locust (yankee) because of social engineering. The truth is just a search engine away yet hate fills their heart because of ignorance. Deo Vindice!
@@floridacracker-cn4nt not what I asked? What truths did you take away from this video? For me it was reinforced that black men were camp followers for the South.
By the end of the U.S. Civil War, there were approximately 180,000 Black Americans serving in Union uniform. This represented about 10 percent of Lincoln’s army. While a good number of these men were citizens of the North, it’s been estimated that about half were former slaves who had fled the Confederacy to take up arms against their former oppressors. These so-called “colored soldiers” have often been credited with helping to turn the tide of the war in favor of the Union. Yet astonishingly, not all blacks that took part in the War Between the States fought for the North. Black Americans were involved in the Confederate war effort too. The overwhelming majority of them were slaves and as such had no choice but to accompany their masters on campaign. Yet a minute number were free men. While, most black Confederates served as stewards, cooks, stable hands or laborers, there is some evidence that at least a few carried rifles and might have even served in battle, either as willing volunteers or as pressed men. But determining just how many Black Americans actually fought for the Rebellion has touched off a war of sorts in its own right. Those who believe that scores of Black Americans did indeed fight for the South consider it evidence that there was more to the Rebel cause than the defense of slavery. It’s an argument that (rightly or wrongly) absolves the Confederacy of what many consider to be its racist heritage.
@@xavierwash98 The 1st Louisiana Native Guard Was the first black unit in the Union Army. Ironically, was also originally raised as a confederate unit 1861, but switched allegiance to the union merely one year after its formation in 1862. This was early in the war well before confederate defeat was assured. I find it funny if black soldiers in the confederacy were so loyal to the confederate cause they would do such a thing. The reality is blacks under arms in the south either were forced or it was a simply a matter of self interest at the time, hardly any loyalty to the confederacy, much like the Sonder Kommando in WW2.
Xavier Washington No sir, not all of them. General Forrest’s fiercest troops were his black troops. Armed with short rifles, pistols and knives, these men were FEARED.
@@graycloud057 he was a grand wizard of the kkk, slave owner and slave trader and you actually think he treated black soldiers with respect?! Delusional.
July 20, 2008 Cliff Harrington states in a Charlotte Observer article, "Wary [Clyburn] served as bodyguard for Capt. Frank Clyburn in Company E of the 12th regiment from South Carolina. He carried Frank on his shoulders to rescue his boyhood friend from intense fighting. He also served as a special aide to Gen. Robert E. Lee, according to documents that his daughter has."
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 dude it was slavery in the north before and during the civil war 🤦🏾♂️ plus I'm Black and my ancestors were treated like Auctal Human Beings and With Kindness And Respect In The South Nobody Got Rapped Whipped Or Hunged And They Also Fought For The Confederacy.Theres a Black Confederate Soldiers Monument In Mississippi
@@AllStarboy105 and I wonder how u know this detailed Information of how your direct descendent from about 200years ago was living when we know u have no writhing nor even documentation of what plantation or farm your people was on because slaves were not allowed to fucking write and some ledgers were not keep or stored in the right manner for preservation to be read . Stop saying you black when we know u not
There were About 200 black confederates who served in the Civil War. The war was virtually over by then, and when black Union soldiers rode into Richmond on April 3, they found two companies of black men beginning to train as potential soldiers. (When those black men had marched down the street in Confederate uniforms, local whites had pelted them with mud.) None got into the war, and Lee surrendered on April 9. Yes, thousands of Black American men did fight in the Civil War about 179,000. About 37,000 of them died in uniform. But they were all in the Army (or Navy) of the United States of America. Blacks provided indispensible manpower resources for the South in every aspect of military life except combat. Teamsters, cooks, hospital attendants, munitions workers, labor for building forts, and, most importantly, the farm labor that was needed to feed the armies all these vital roles were filled by enslaved blacks and some numbers of free “Negroes.” Much is made of the handful of blacks who did carry weapons and the rare occasions where they were reported in combat. It is very difficult for us to comprehend the variety of experience contained in antebellum slavery. But, there were “familial” relations between slave and master that could incorporate a slave fighting. Harriet Tubman records encountering a black man dressed in Rebel homespun serving as a sniper or scout. But, and this must be emphasized, the myth of large numbers of black men fighting as Rebels is just that. a myth. People like to point out the New Orleans Native Guard which was a militia unit of free black men who were in service to the Confederacy. But, just about as soon as the Union captured New Orleans they switched their allegiance and, in any case, were never of much use militarily to either side. There were two famous moments when the South debated arming the slaves. General Cleburne of the Army of Tennessee, circulated a letter asking for his fellow generals to petition the Rebel government to give up slavery and arm the slaves. He understood that asking the black men to fight meant the end of slavery, and he advanced the position that independence for the South was more important than maintaining slavery. For his effort he was roundly criticized and there was no action taken. Cleburne, a great officer of Irish origin, died in the famous charge at Franklin. In the East, Lee’s army at Petersburg was wasting away under Grant’s relentless attack, and everyone but Davis seemed to recognize that the end was near. Arming the slaves was a last minute effort that was undertaken too late to have any effect. As was said at the time “If the Negro can make a soldier, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” The ideological underpinning for race based slavery was that the black African was not morally equal to the white man and required a period of apprenticeship before he would be capable of becoming a citizen. In the honor culture of the South, the idea of self-sacrifice for home and hearth was an ideal associated with all sorts of notions of duty, morality, civilization, Christianity, self-government, and so on. If a black man could serve honorably- sacrificing himself for the community then the rationale for his enslavement would disappear. Citizenship and military service were linked in a way harkening back to the citizen soldiers of Greece. The refusal of the South to surrender slavery even at the point of defeat and destruction refutes those arguments advanced by apologists for the Confederacy who reject the idea that slavery was the essential cause of secession. SO, in summary, there was a massive black manpower contribution to the Confederate war effort. There were scattered examples of black men in arms as individuals fighting alongside white troops. There were two notable organized bodies of African American Southern soldiers: the aforementioned Louisiana militia, and the handful of companies recruited as Richmond fell. That’s it.
There were more than 10,000, not just 200. The North made a lot of money off of slavery, too, and many of the states who did not secede were also slave holding. It was a war of economics and taxes, and slavery was going to end no matter who won, because it was the linch pin to sink the other side if abolished.
If it were absolutely about slavery, then why was there not a single proposal made to congress addressing liberation until 3 years into the war, I'm just curious... With that said, if Lincoln would have made the legal (and just) move in allowing the states to secede, slavery would have certainly remained in practice but the union would have established a system to bring slaves north, that is, if they in fact cared about human rights (and we know they did...)
I'd like to add that, prior to the emancipation proclamation, Lincoln passed a fed law that required states to return escaped slaves to their owner... Because union states never had large groups of African-Americans and were did not wish to change that... Still dont "We command u free the slaves, just don't come ur black asses north when u finally are free"
Black Confederates is a term often used to describe both enslaved and free African Americans who filled a number of different positions in support of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War (1861-1865). Most often this assistance was coerced rather than offered voluntarily. Enslaved men were either hired out by their enslavers or impressed to work in various departments of the Confederate army. Free Black men were also routinely impressed or otherwise forced to perform manual labor for the army. The government’s use of Black labor, whether free or enslaved, followed patterns established during the antebellum period, when county governments routinely engaged the service of Black men to help maintain local roads and other public property. While large numbers of Black men thus accompanied every Confederate army on the march or in camp, those men would not have been considered soldiers. Only a few Black men were ever accepted into Confederate service as soldiers and none did any significant fighting. Through most of the war, the Confederate government’s official policies toward Black men maintained that those men were laborers, not soldiers; changes to that policy in March 1865 came too late to make any difference to Confederate prospects for victory
First time I ever heard about black confederate soldiers was 6;00 AM while waiting to go to work behind the secure gates as a sailor in Virginia. All of my life I had been taught that no blacks served in confederate forces. After I retired from the service I took an English class an chose a topic for my paper on Confederate Black Soldiers. I found out so much that I was amazed and angered at the lack of this knowledge being passed out to the country. History books I had read NEVER covered this. This information NEEDS to be taught so that ALL of our honored dead can be remembered for the service they gave during the Civil War.
By the end of the U.S. Civil War, there were approximately 180,000 African Americans serving in Union uniform. This represented about 10 percent of Lincoln’s army. While a good number of these men were citizens of the North, it’s been estimated that about half were former slaves who had fled the Confederacy to take up arms against their former oppressors. These so-called “colored soldiers” have often been credited with helping to turn the tide of the war in favour of the Union. Yet astonishingly, not all blacks that took part in the War Between the States fought for the North. African Americans were involved in the Confederate war effort too. The overwhelming majority of them were slaves and as such had no choice but to accompany their masters on campaign. Yet a minute number were free men. While, most black Confederates served as stewards, cooks, stable hands or labourers, there is some evidence that at least a few carried rifles and might have even served in battle, either as willing volunteers or as pressed men. But determining just how many African Americans actually fought for the Rebellion has touched off a war of sorts in its own right. Those who believe that scores of African Americans did indeed fight for the South consider it evidence that there was more to the Rebel cause than the defense of slavery. It’s an argument that (rightly or wrongly) absolves the Confederacy of what many consider to be its racist heritage.
@@xavierwash98 thank u sir for giving these white csa a piece of your intelligence , but to no avail will they answer or hear you out . Their position is not to understand or to gain true knowledge it is to stain the fabric of history . Because of the shame of their forefathers
@xavierwash98 Anyone who equats the historical realities of that time with the idea that black slaves and free black men fighting for the Confederacy absolves the South of any responsibility or feelings of guilt is absolutely moronic. The history of this nation, like the history's of nearly every nation, is deeply complex and filled with contradictions, misinformation, untold facts and often repeated fabrications, myths, legends, dogma, folklore, tall tales and propaganda, all woven together with what is known to be (or at least believed to be) the Truth and yet even the Truth, told honestly and in good faith, is still many many shades of gray that every year continue to increase as more and more of our history and the experiences of our people are uncovered. Its easy to fall into the trap of biases in it's many forms when attempting to view history through the lense of the Present; which is why being self-aware of one's own prejudices is so important and not allow our modern opinions to cloud our ability to view history (as the video posited) how it actually was and not what we think or wish it to be.
"I just spent seven years reading thousands of Confederate soldiers letters, and I didn’t find one writer who described “black Confederate” soldiers in action. - Ken Noe, Alumni Professor and Draughon Professor of Southern History, Auburn University
Have you found 1 monument of a Black confederate hero ? ... if not I won't hear any HISTORY WAS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS SPEEL. This is devicive and both sides are guilty as always. The Right has been crying the loudest and working against justice over 150 years
I've been coming back to watch and re-watch this clip for over a decade. The soundtrack in this documentary is beautiful, and I LOVE the footage of the black southerners in the reunion. That said, one of how speakers said it himself: "We are the last of the old BODYGUARDS of our old masters." By bodyguards he means body servant. The Confederate Army Regulations state in Article 46, Section 1399 that only white men can enlist as soldiers. Furthermore, Section 1008 of the Regs forbade any soldier in the Army from being employed as a private servant. These black Southerners did march with the army and do have claim to a piece of history, but they were slaves working as servants; they were not soldiers, and the CS Army was not a vessel of progress.
Hell, when push come to shove, these black men shot a gun if need be. My own uncle was a baker in the Army. Does this make him less than a combat veteran? Hell, no. You did not listen to the video, just content to spout off.
@@shirleybalinski4535 That's the thing... your uncle was in the Army. He enlisted as a SOLDIER and was assigned a culinary MOS based on recruiting needs. He swore an oath, went to basic training, had a military rank, and if/when he was baking in a combat zone, I'm willing to bet he had a weapon he was issued. This has been the same for American soldiers from 1822 to 2022. Now how many of the body servants in the clip do you think went through all those the same steps?
SMH..."Bodyguards of our masters"? "He was a man of his times in this area"... "Forrest was a pragmatist"... "He was good to his slaves ... he was a humanitarian"... Think critically about what what you have watched. THESE black confederates weren't soldiers, they were slaves in a soldier's uniform. Consider the answer to this question. When did it become legal for "slaves" to carry arms in the confederate Army? Don't let this hype go unscrutinized.
THANK YOU very much for posting this. I wrote a play and screenplay about a particular BLACK FREE CONFEDERATE Soldier. 16yrs ago. In Harlem NYC I had the great opportunity to have my material read in Frank Silvera's playwriting workshop which Actor Morgan Freeman is one of the co-founders. Can't reveal too much at the moment due to sporadic inquiries from both off-broadway and Film producers, In addition to turning down a few offers.
@@MrEzee777 it’s called forced labor and support roles if you actually read instead of watching just TH-cam videos from randoms you would learn tht it’s was illegal for any black man to serve in combat for csa , these people on video are going through Stockholm syndrome . u bring great dishonor upon your country men spreading csa lies . If you don’t see a another black man on camera forced to wear a uniform I can definitely tell u then are not black , for as a black men you would feel the same as if the time was 2037 or 1885 tht no free black man of thought and liberty who interest should be his own preservation would knowingly lead himself to his own downfall
LMAO...Its seems you have not been comprehending the very beginning of my thread......"Not Reading"...Waay before TH-cam.....Back 2003, I wrote a auto bio story of Moses Johnson a Play for NYC Harlem Play-writers and Morgan Freeman/ Frank Silvera workshop' Harlem...In addition, it was going into Movie Script production by 2 huge Actors production companies, A Black Actor and White Italian actor...."You Play Sherlock and Guess Who"..... in 2004, I BURNT CALORIES aka FootWORK...to do my own research interviewing the Great Grand Children of Black Confederates Soldiers in North and South Carolina and Virginia.......NOTE: Even the LINK I sent only presented 65-70% truth. As I should have evaluated it first.......SO YOU REALLY NEED TO GET OUT OF YOUR ......"ONE ZIPCODE MENTALITY ....To Read and Research
That is true ,. The southern harbours were taking too much revenue from New York and Boston...the slave issue didn't come to fruition until the emancipation proclamation in 1863,.. And at that time a huge number of NORTHERNERS defected and went home,, why? Because so many of them didn't want to fight for THAT reason.,. Truth is truth and history is history,,. Until it is rewritten....
Mike Henson Lincoln taxed the south way more then the north and sent thousands of union soldiers to Baltimore and burnt down shops and houses. Then when the union started losing the war they gained more recruits by allowing blacks to fight. The south had black soldiers and other races long before the union. The victors told the stories
"The day you make a soldier of them is the beginning of the end of the Revolution. And if slaves seem good soldiers, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong'." - Howell Cobb
There is a Lincoln speech (that I can't find right now or I'd quote it) given not long before his death, where he was commenting on the recently enacted Confederate policy of allowing slaves to fight for them. He noted that over the years he had heard a lot of unconvincing arguments in favor of slavery, but if a man were willing to fight for his own slavery he might be convinced that it was a good thing.
I am from NJ and still live in NJ. I love my state as I do all 50 of them. Today we can stand together as Americans and not be divided. This being said, I have no clue who I would have fought for had I lived back then. This war really had nothing to do with slavery. Honest Abe used slavery as a tactic to piss the South off even more. This war is just like the Revolutionary war, people telling people what to do. The south were not bad people, in fact we the north started the war with all the laws. when I was younger we were told that this war was fought over slavery and the Confederates were bad people. We really need to tell the truth to kids.
Most people just fought for their State. Most likely you would have fought for the same reason. Your land/farm/family and friends. The ones who started it was for political reasons $$$$$$ the North wanted their hands on all that cotton money.
I am 60% African of mixed race ancestry from Ohio. I have both black & white family from Kentucky who served on both sides during the Civil War. In fact my 5th G-grandmother (on my mother's side) is a Davis who is directly related to Jefferson Davis and on my father's side Jefferson Davis married Zackary Taylor's daughter who is directly related to my father.
Im so glad this info is out there. I live in Portugal, got my Confederate flag on the porch I love the south. The elite love to change our history (thats all history on the planet)
He also is the one of the first to start the KKK and he also committed terrible war crimes captured a bunch of free slaves who surrendered and killed all of them
No. The war in 1776 was for ALL of america. It was fought mostly by immigrants. Our grandfathers and many other men fought the ENGLISH These were soldiers of the few colonies that existed. There was NO north and south then.. I had many grandfathers in both wars. I know history. You should educate yourself. Bless us ALL. One country. Not a divided country.
@@TKDragon75 Paine published the pamphlet anonymously and donated the royalties to George Washington's army not only galvanizing the call to war but helping fund it as well.
my ggg grand dad william tucker wright was in his regiment. first cherokee mounted volunteers and 2nd regiment co A mounted rifles enlisted 1862 muster date 186 three enlisted at maysville, ar.
William Wright in the U.S., Confederate Service Records, 1861-1865 Saved to: Wright, William tucker in tree "wright Family Tree" Remove ViewU.S., Confederate Service Records, 1861-1865 Add alternate information Report issue Name: William Wright Enlistment Date: 12 May 1862 Enlistment Place: Maysville Ark Muster Date: 3 Jul 1863 Military Unit: First Cherokee Mounted Volunteers (Watie's Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Volunteers; 2d Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Rifles, Arkansas; 1st Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Rifles or Riflemen) Rank: Private
How about mentioning the hundreds of thousands foreign mercenaries the union had to ship in. How about mentioning how the civil war was about money and debt not slavery.
Commander Watchman no it wasn’t. It had nothing to do with slavery. If it did why was there black confederates? Why was there native Americans and Mexican that joined the confederacy? You can’t fight a war in chains. You can’t give your slaves guns and live. Think logically. Everything you have been told is a lie. The civil war was about money debt and control.
Yes, this is what I was talking about for long time . Black conference never got recognition for their sharp shooter in Missouri as first regimen. They should be recognized for their courage. Slaves where drafted by Confederacy not to remain as a slave
My mother knew her grandfather who fought for the confederacy. As a girl she went with him to visit a confederate veterans home. She remembered one of those veterans being a black man who was living at the home and drawing a veterans pension.
"From the beginning of this struggle, [African Americans] took part --- on the Union side thousands of run-a-way slaves joined the Army and Navy. Likewise thousands took part on the Confederate side actuated by a type of loyalty unsurpassed in human annals." ~West A. Hamilton, Colonel, Infantry Reserve Hampton Conference on National Defense (November 1940) Harry S. Truman Library and Museum
The few slaves that were in the south were treated well and not horrible like the liberal media likes to say they were and most of them were proud to be apart of the confederacy.
You're a piece of shit. There is NO SUCH THING as a "liberal media," and the viciousness with which slaves were treated has NEVER been fully expressed. The racist lie that they were "treated well" is despicable bullshit. NONE was "proud to be part of a the confederacy," a tiny number was conned into it, and a few were forced into it. NONE was proud to fight for slavery.
lBaerdeLouisYAna Lie. Slavery was the issue, and remains so. Youtr vile racist icon is a representation that says "Black people should still be slaves." That's what that flag represents, Bull Connor...oh, wait, you probably think he as from New Hampshire.
lBaerdeLouisYAna So few words, so much idiocy. No, Lincoln did not start the war, the southern states refusing to follow the law of the US started the war. And abolitionists freed the slaves in the same way that the Freedom Riders ended bus desegregation...or do you think the bus company just suddenly woke up one day with a conscience? The heroes and martyrs of the civil rights movement ended Jim Crow, not lowlifes like Wallace and Ross Barnett, and neither Barnett nor President Kennedy desegregated Ole Miss, the courage of James Meredith did.
DebsForPresident another yankee moron. It was not illegal to secede. In fact, if you read the Declaration of Independence the Southern states used those very words to secede. What was illegal was for Lincoln to raise an army to invade the Confederate States without consent of Congress. That's why 5 more states seceded. The South fought the entire war as a defensive war to protect their homeland from a tyrannical government (just like we're facing today). Also, I know you don't know this, but there were slaves in the North before, during, and after the War of Northern Aggression. If you'd read more and spout BS less, you'd know these things, moron.
"They believe slavery a sin, we do not, and there lies the trouble." - Henry M. Rector, Governor of Arkansas, March 2, 1861, Arkansas Secession Convention"
My grandmothers family is from Tennessee and my great great grandfather fought for the south ( to poor to own slaves) . He fought for freedom and the rights of states to govern themselves.
Don't forget about all pro union guerrilas who fought the confederacy on their home ground, and most of them were confederate deserters and escaped slaves
Wow it’s the reincarnation of Robert E. Lee holy shit this is amazing. A few things have happened. Um u now apparently look like a dickhead when u wear blankets on your head and chant about white supremacy. Who’d a thought? And there was s this group called the Nazis in this thing called Germany and apparently anyone who still chants white supremacy is called one and it’s like really bad. Love to chat more
This is why, as a native Marylander, I do not commemmorate the Emancipation Proclamation. It freed slaves in neighboring Virginia but left slaves in Maryland in slavery. That is so wrong.
@@toddmiller5656 Ironically, Lincoln was respecting Maryland's state's rights. He had special war powers over the states in rebellion, but not over the loyal border states. It *is* also worth noting that prior to the Emancipation Proclamation, he had tried to convince Delaware (which only had about 1800 slaves by then) of a compensated emancipation plan, and they wouldn't have any of it, so he gave up on trying to convince the border states to do anything. But Maryland can be (somewhat) proud that they abolished slavery by popular referendum in the 1864 election. I mean, the writing was definitely on the wall by then, but it was technically voluntary.
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@robertisham5279 No they shouldn't have, I have love for my black brothers the same I have for my white brothers. If Lincoln wasn't assassinated and continued with his plan to send them off, the US would have been severely impacted by the lack of inventions and updates of inventions by people of color. These black men and women are just as honorable as any other soldier on that battlefield, have respect boy!
I would tell my students in high school about black Confederates and they wouldn't believe me. I just laughed at them. History is very complex and never simple.
Your students are correct to laugh. Did you explain to them that these so called black Confederates were nothing but man servants doing field cooking, shining their masters boots, doing his laundry, etc? In other words they were still slaves. What's complex about that?
Because if you judge everything by today's standards, you deny historical figures their humanity. Slaves were free in their hearts and spirits and were free to bestow their affection. This makes everything complex. Cultural history is more than just dates and facts (many of the latter are disputed anyhow).
Stephen Michaels It was illegal for blacks to serve in the Confederate Army. What is complex about that?. The complexity is with these self appointed TH-cam history experts (aka TH-cam clowns) who keep trying to water down and deny the criminal institution of slavery. You need to stop teaching that nonsense. It's called whitewashing history.
OK, now that I know what I am dealing with, I shall withdraw from this silliness. Again, there are facts and then there are facts. As for blacks in the Confederate Army, it was not illegal in the end for slaves to join. And that isn't taking into account state militias, who had their own rules, which were bent constantly. Or the support personnel who took part in the action on an as needed basis. BTW, it was illegal for Audie Murphy to join the Army (he was too young) but he joined anyhow and went on to be the Most Decorated Soldier of WWII. The whitewashing of history is perpetrated by people who adopt a political line and refuse to acknowledge facts that don't fit their narrative. This is increasingly true in all disciplines today.
@@antinotis No enlistment records of any Blacks who fought for the Rebels. No Black rebel prisoners captured. No black confederate soldiers ever found dead on the battle fields. No rebel diaries contain information pertaining to fighting or training with black men. Not one black rebel signing the pledge of allegiance all rebel prisoners had to sign before they left pow camps at the end of the war.
I have a question, these people were slaves fighting in the war, did they have a choice? Let say if someone said I dont want to fight did they have the right?
@@i_c_e_555 Like with Stonewall who taught A Sunday school for slaves to teach them the word of god and how god made them less than whites and that was why they were enslaved
CHARLES GIRARD: A FRENCHMAN’S OBSERVATION ON BLACK CONFEDERATES… Charles Girard was a Frenchman who joined the Confederate war effort by promoting the Confederate cause in Europe and accepting a commission to supply the Southern armies with medical equipment and arms. In 1863, he slipped through the blockade and traveled through Virginia and the Carolinas to study the Confederacy and why they were fighting for their independence. He wrote his observations and published the account of his trip the following year in the book, “A Visit to the Confederate States of America.” The following is his observation on Black Confederates: “Even the southern slaves fight with their masters for their way of life in preference to dying of hunger in northern cities as prey of the invader.” Charles Girard, May 13, 1861. At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 34th Texas Cavalry, “Terrell’s Texas Cavalry” became it’s 3rd Sergeant. In comparison, The highest-ranking Black Union soldier during the war was a Sergeant Major. Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. “Stonewall” Jackson’s occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862: “Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number [Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc., and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army.” Frederick Douglas reported, “There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels.” “A large number of the native free negroes of Louisiana have, through the Delta, proposed to fight for her in 1861 as they did in 1814-15.” - Cincinnati Daily Press, Jan. 5
@@Gatolato1781 1st of all James Washington found your source they listed a source that I can’t access and 2nd the “over 3000 negros must be included in this number” They were camp slaves carrying their master's equipment 3rd or all was Fredrick Douglas there or was he using these rumors in order to get the union to allow colored men into the union army and third of all those Louisianans were the native guard who were mixed raced and some even owned slaves.
The real history is the confederate states didn't approve of blacks fighting for the south until March 1865, by then they were toast. They were never a significant part of the southern army, for pretty obvious reasons. Yes, there were a few, nothing like the north. There weren't many abolitionist fighting for the south either, but there were a few. The fact that Bedford Forrest, the first grand wizard of the Klu Klux Klan, made his slaves help him, fight isn't surprising. I doubt they did it with any choice involved. He's also accused of mass killings of POW's who were black, although that is disputed.
Slavery was a political issue of great furore in the time leading up to the outbreak of the Civil War, but it was not the reason for that war. At best one could agree that it became a symbol of the political and economic problems between North and South, however, the historical facts do not support it being the principal cause or even one of the significant causes in and of itself. Note, the anti-slave movement was mostly in the South, the first states to give up slavery before the war were southern, there were more states on the Northern side at the start of the war with legal slavery than in the South, Northern leaders still had slaves in 1860, and so on. It is true that the elite form the opinions of the masses in many ways, but it is a stretch to believe that hundreds of thousands of Southern boys fought so hard and died or were maimed only to preserve an economic system, as we are being told to believe, in which they had no part - some 94% of Southerners did not own a slave. It is possible many fought for the right to decide their states' futures for themselves, including the matter of slavery (which, as mentioned, they were actively discussing pre-war anyway). The truth is that the issue of slavery was a beat up by the North in a deliberate propaganda war to intervene in European support for the South. Europe was largely on the side of the Confederacy, and at first much materiale was contributed to the South's cause of defending itself against the illegal war undertaken by the North (remember, secession was constitutionally legal). Europe tended to side with the injured party who was being bullied. But slavery in Europe was a hot potato topic, and the more the South were painted as no good slave owning scum by the North the less support for the South could be sold to the European peoples by their leaders. Propaganda worked, support dried up, and the South lost the war for want of every kind of material supplies. The industrial North had no supply problems. The problem is that the propaganda did not stop when the war ended, and still, now, 150 odd years later, people are swallowing it, hook line a sinker. Was slavery bad? Yes, of course, embarrassingly so. Did the USA go top war with it self to preserve slavery as an institution? No, they North went to war to stop the Southern Confederation from seceding, for political and even more so economic reasons. Slavery was a hot topic of the era, certainly, but it is only confusion and lack of information that leads anyone to think one was the cause of the other.
Wow, who knew? Did he allow them to join the KKK when he was leader of that as well? That would be a good thing to include in this "well rounded" overview of his life.
It's hard to get into the mindset of other times but remember that women were also in subservient positions in society and people accepted that at the time as well.
He was also the first to defect after he found out what they were doing and proclaimed that he would kill any current member of the KKK who would commit terrorism.
Real history should never be forgotten
Amen brother
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 everyone criticizes because the southern flag is bad because it represents slavery. but nobody says that the United States flag represents the death of true Americans and the theft of territory.
@@naelschneider6691 we black people say they both represents evils against us
@@nextstar55 not only for blacks but also for Native Americans. but it is part of the history of our country and nothing can be done because they protest against the southern flag but nobody protests for the flag of the United States. practically the history of the United States is blood, hatred and racism
This needs to be in the history books, but it is not unfortunately.
+cheryl wallace Cooks and forced laborers does not count as "fighting the good fight"
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Where did you find this source of information because in the south they fought along side the white confederates. The north kept them as cooks and laborers. They did not want to give them guns for fear of being turned on after the war. The north still maintained black slaves after the Civil War. There was an all black union group, but they were sent on a suicide attack on the fort in the Carolina's and were all killed.
cheryl wallace Everything you just posted is simply laughable. I mean this much denial is quite disturbing.
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This much denial of the real truth is equally disturbing about you. I can not laugh at you, but only sympathize with your lack of knowledge.
+cheryl wallace There is no enlistment records of any Black man fighting for the confederacy. Not one. The few the trained in march of 65 never saw combat.
81 year old black soldier. What a man. What a human being.
He wasn't a soldier he was a slave. Going to fetch chicken for his master. Poor guy probably had Stockholm.
@@Ian-sh5xz tell us you are from NYC without telling us you are from NYC
Yes Indeed Sir.
@@Ian-sh5xzracist bafoon liberal waist of brain matter!!!
@@Ian-sh5xzyou’re totally right. Black confederates never existed, and the thought of the existence of them is lost cause propaganda
We should build black Confederate monuments as well as Hispanic and Native American seeing as they also fought bravely for the CSA
+MrFredstt The Confederate Memorial at Arlington Cemetery depicts a black Confederate soldier marching instep
with his brothers in arms.
***** Really?
MrFredstt Absolutely. The first military monument in the U.S. capitol that honors the African-American soldier is The Confederate monument at Arlington National Cemetery. The monument was designed in 1914 by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish Confederate, who wanted to correctly portray the racial makeup of the Confederate Army. A black Confederate soldier is shown marching in step with white Confederate soldiers. Also shown is one white soldier giving his child to a black woman for protection.
Wrong. Best you read Moses Ezekiel's own narration of his monument before you give us yours.
Powderfinger Again, Powderfingrer is an example of the lazy Marxist revisionist, It's easier to attack the messenger than to do his own research. Once exposed he starts lashing out.
Not even american but history is written by the victors in every war. The american civil war was no different.
+jimbob jim Well said sir, I wish more men and women and even children were taught that.
But that misses the point.
History is not about who wrote it. Its about what happened, objectively. Facts are facts, and historians need to cease with personal bias. Fortunately in the information age and the internet, indoctrination and omitting history to fit a certain perspective or agenda is impossible. This is why anyone who actually goes out of their way to learn the thorough history of the Civil War, or WW2 for that matter, realizes that both sides of almost any war had legitimate reasons
unless you commit 100% genocide and destroy all records then history is written by the survivors on either side; it is just that the victors have access to greater publicity for the first couple of generations. Or has America forgotten Wounded knee?
Wrong.....
civil-war-journeys.org/the_lost_cause.htm
@@kninezbanks how'd you find d out
I do believe that North was just as racist, cause some northern states got to keep slave laws during the war
Londre Gilkey The emancipation proclamation ONLY freed slaves that were in "confederate occupied territory". All other slaves were to remain slaves, including the slaves in the NORTHERN states, as well as southern states but in the hands of the union troops.
This is simply nothing more than what Lincoln said he would do in his response to Horace Greeleys open letter to Lincoln asking him to free the slaves. Important Note: At this point in history the war had already begun. (The war did not start over this order)
FYI - The emancipation proclamation was an unconstitutional executive order. The Constitution granted NO authority to a president to make such a demand on the states, their slaves, or people, etc..
Londre Gilkey they sure did.
I’m not going to waste my time worrying about these Confederate statues; that’s wasted energy. You know what I’m gonna do? I’m going to keep doing great things; I’m going to keep trying to make a difference, number one, in the black community, because I’m black, but I’m also going to try to do good things in the world. I’m not going to waste my time screaming at a neo-Nazi who’s gonna hate me, no matter what; and I’m not going to waste my time, trying to, worried about these statues that they’ve got all over the country.I’ve always ignored them. … Rick, I’m 54 years old; I’ve never thought about those statues a day in my life. I’ve never - I think if you ask most black people, to be honest, they ain’t thought a day in their life about those stupid statues. What we as black people need to do, we need to worry about getting our education; we need to stop killing each other; we need to try to find a way to have more economic opportunity and things like that. Don’t waste - those things are important and significant. I’m wasting time and energy screaming at a neo-Nazi, or “Man, you gotta take this statue down." Charles Barkley!
Londre Gilkey they were more racists than the south.
Londre Gilkey The civil war happened because The North wanted to control the South. In the South at that time had a lot of RICH plantation owners. Abolishing slavery was in the interest of the North to over throw the South. Let's not forget slaves fight for the South to keep things as they were. It was about MONEY, POWER and controlling the Land. Ending Slavery was the justification for killing other Americans. Slavery is wrong and I do not agree with it and the truth needs to be told and not some one-sided.
It's an outright disgrace that the REAL AMERICAN HISTORY hasn't been taught for such a long time in our schools. That should be a punishable crime by imprisonment. A country cannot ignore its history or wash it away. It must be taught true and correct and not by any political means to achieve something. THANK YOU FOR POSTING TRUE HISTORY.
ABOUT AS REAAL AS YOUR TENUOUS GRIP ON REALTY YOU CLUELESS FOOL
The government prefers narrative over truth.
Stockholm syndrome, csa propaganda
Had Confedarates made more use of to level up numbers. Who knows.
@treyseanirving1751 regardless they should be honoured for their service
One of my ancestors, H.F. McWilliams, rode in Forrest's cavalry. He started out in Colonel Jeffrey Forrest's cavalry. But when Jeffrey was killed, he went into N.B. Forrest's cavalry. Another ancestor, Emory Matthew Carpenter, rode in Captain Nash's Leake Rangers. I'm a proud SCV.
Cool
Deo vindice brother !
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 you do know Nathan Bedford Forest was never the Grabs Wizard of the KKK he was cleared of all charges connecting him to the Klan.
@@thebandit979 bullshit
The are Eldery People Alive Today (2013) who actual met and knew Civil War veterans when they were young kids. I always wanted see a real Civil War veteran on screen with sound. Thanks for posting.
I’m 57 and as a very young kid, I met people who were alive during the Civil war, but obviously way too young to have served.
I know it’s been 8 years since you commented and I don’t have a clue if you are still active but you just look up civil war interviews on TH-cam there’s some really cool stories veterans gave on both sides of the war.
I am 74 and as a small child I met a man who was well over 100 and had been a Confederate drummer boy. My grandmothers best friend owned a hotel in Brenham, Texas there was a coffee shop that served breakfast and lunch this elderly man wore a cream linen jacket and was never given a check tompay formhis food. His food was always free to honor his service. I talked to him once ...he was a very nice man
I consider my self blessed to have known Boer War and WW1 vets
They exist maybe not today in 2023 but
Bless all soldiers, whatever color !
God bless ‘em purple soldiers. They fought for this country dearly
blue100000 racist
Even the soldiers that bombed Pearl Harbor?
Jay B that was to a different comment, the one i was talking to deleted his comment
Amen
70,000 black men, both free and indentured fought for the Confederacy. God Bless these men.
Fought? As in armed? No. Slaves being ordered to dig ditches is not fighting for the Confederacy. Few blacks, free or slave, were armed combat soldiers in the Confederacy.
@@guidototh6091 They actually fought lmao. You fool.
@@1500Chevy How many armed free blacks fought for the Confederacy? Do you know? I bet you can't even come close. Very few. Slaves who were ordered to dig trenches had no say in the matter. But 200,000 blacks, mostly Confederate slaves DID fight in combat units-for the Union.
@@guidototh6091 Listen to the video fool.
@@1500Chevy There is no credible evidence in this film or anywhere that any significant numbers of blacks, free or slave, were armed and fought for the Confederacy. Once again you have utterly failed to produce any evidence that they did. You lose.
happy to see this. My ancestors were Confederate soldiers and although we are recognized by "Daughters of American Revolution" it makes me mad to see that by most Americans this whole area is ignored and all the "false truths" about the South. Videos like these are so valuable because history is being erased and rewritten at a rapid pace...thanks for posting!
Uncle Toms are included in mainstream history. Like Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained.
No, your ancestors were members of Confederate Home Guards. The notion of Confederate soldiers is a myth.
If it was by choice then your ancestors are garbage 🗑
Agree wholeheartedly. I'm actually in the process of filming some revolutionary get-togethers now, and I'm downloading these much older videos too. They're all going in a faraday time capsule. I think it might be even more impactful if more people with your sentiment do the same thing. :)
YOUR IMMORAL ANCESTORS LOST GET OVER IT.
One thing I've learned studying the Civil War during my life is the South was bankrolled by New York City banks. I learned this taking history tours of lower Manhattan. You NEVER hear that in a history class or in most books. A very interesting unknown fact.
Who funded the reconstruction? Surely it wasn't any southern state that had no monetary system due to their government collapsing. What a stupid fcuking comment.
The story of the black Confederate is one that is not well known. Many of these men and women thought of themselves as Southern first and black second. It is telling that the racism held in the North was far more virulent than that of the South, with many black who had run North, returned in disillusionment. In fact, the Union was astounded that not only did many blacks not welcome Union troops, many actively fought them and hated them with a passion. The issue of slavery is a very complex one and it is not as simply understood as many would have you believe and the Civil War was not only a war about the issue of slavery, but also of the tyranny of government.
If you would know more, I recommend the book Black Confederates by Barrow, Segars, and Rosenburg.
William Stout I bet there are thousand books that say you are completely wrong.
You are likely correct, but that does not mean that they are true. Grant had to threaten to execute an entire unit to get them to fight alongside blacks. The South had blacks and whites fighting together shoulder to shoulder. The Union offered freedom to black confederates that they captured, but they refused the oath and entered the POW camps. The truth is rarely as simple as most people think that it is.
William Stout same thing with the Jews ....Grant forced all Jews to clear out of any town he was in ..Gen.Lee wrote letters apologizing deeply to confederate Jews if they had to fight on holy days
I never knew that. Thank you for enlightening me :-)
William Stout I'm sure many of the southern blacks had also been completely indoctrinated and brainwashed by the whites they were fighting with. Not to mention that most of them were born into slavery and were probably fighting beside their masters much like a trained dog would do with their owner.
It is tempting to view your enemies as evil but there is good and bad on every side in every war ever fought.
Absolutely, but the South were clearly fighting to preserve slavery. There were obviously Confederates that were great men but it wasn't the most righteous of causes lol
@@michaelhauser6440 Only or Mainly fighting for slavery? Both of those claims are shakey imo
@@cac9926 The main reason was slavery. The Southern states even admitted so when they seceded. Don’t know how that’s shakey
@@michaelhauser6440 Any claim you can possibly make about an event you weren't at is shakey at best. But yes I do agree the main reason was slavery but, probably not in the way the majority of people seem to think though. Northern banking interests arguably have as much to do with it as slavery did.
@@cac9926 It’s not my claim. It’s every Civil War historians claim. Don’t be a hypocrite. You were never at any important events ever but you still believe in them because of experts opinions based off of evidence. By your logic you shouldn’t believe in anything because you weren’t there. Genius
my love and respect to these forgotten men brought a tear to my eyes
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
“This is utterly untrue. We have no armed slaves fighting for us“ John B. Jones secretary of war for the Confederate states of America in 1863
Amen
@@nextstar55 you are so naive. I suggest you do some unbiased research into actual history and personal accounts before you storm into comment sections with complete nonsense. You argue with opinion rather than fact. Nothing personal against you, but you aren’t doing yourself a favor.
You cant argue with this idiots!their ears are deaf to facts!
Im black and a PROUD Southern woman who loves the confederacy.
ButterCookie
you're fucking with us you can't be that dumb.
Brian Glover 👏👏👏...Tell them how it is...they don't want to hear that though...
No shit talk here man...All state All pro...No scared bones in this body ese but why am I talking to u...unless you're trying to see these hands stfu...cause all u r is talk and that's all that's gonna come out of this conversation so now you're boring me...DISMISSED!...😂
+Brian Glover Did you fight in the War Between the States?
dameyale royster isn't it odd that Confederates like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson taught their slaves to read , built chapels for them on their plantations and led Bible Studies for them? Lee freed his slaves before the war. But U.S. Grant and and Abraham Lincoln retained their slaves. The Lee's and Jacksons were not unique in this. Many slave owners felt it was their Christian duty to teach slaves to read the Bible. Many slaves during that time were named after Greek and Roman literature heroes. From that, I'm inclined to believe they read Classic literature at the time. It wasn't at all like the fictional "Uncle Tom's Cabin."
"We seek no conquest. All we ask is to be left alone."
-Confederate President Jefferson Davis
Amen brother 💪🏼
Left alone to continue Genocide..um nope. African descendants should NEVER have had to refer to the southerners as masters. NOT in any lifetime. Burn Confederacy burn.
@Mark Priest The white supremacists still think its 1600, 1700, 1800, 1900, etc...they just wont quit on some Puff Daddy "Can't Stop, Won't Stop" bull$hit.
Hard left liberals are probably destined to destroy the USA. Objective individuals see the truth for what it is. Moderates & Conservatives are on that conserve the status queue which does not favor the majority of non-white Americans.
You are free to go back to your daughter's of the Confederacy reprogramming.
@@thereisnoend you do understand northerners were referred to as masters also right?
@@swooshgamez9791 Yassir I do. Two sides of the same coin. I would happily sandblast ALL of those faces off of Mount Rushmore including Lincoln's but for the sake of this conversation the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
These men are never forgotten. Ever! Love and respect to all our Veterans.
stacyblue1980 they were combatants of the United States dumb ass.
@@theend92 you are ignorant to the bone-asshole.
@@theend92 you do not make your argument correct by lunging out. You only make yourself look bad. People acting the way you do is why there’s more divide in our country, because being ignorant and belligerent gets nobody anywhere. Genuine conversation is how agreements are made. If you wanna make a change you need to appeal to the persons attention and respect. You failed that.
@@MeatPez sure wish we had more folks like you visiting our parks down here. You are a very polite and honest person it sounds, and I appreciate reading your understanding comments. God bless you and yours from a West Tn Gray descendant sir.
@@westtnskirmishlog6820 appreciate it man, I just don’t understand people sometimes. If someone wants to get their point across, being wild won’t do a thing.
No matter what side your on or if your black or white, the Civil War monuments need to be saved. Don’t destroy history
Your side loss you deserve no monuments
On Dec. 15, 2023, Army National Military Cemeteries (ANMC) completed the Section 106 process as part of the federally mandated removal of the Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery. 🎉🎉🎉🎉😭🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Those men were clearly mentally defeated suffering Stockholm syndrome or maybe they just hedged their bets that they "might" actually be free either way. I'll tell you what tho', I'd trust the word of satan before an enslaver's. 1 commenter used the word "humanitarian" . It is impossible on any plane of existence to be a humanitarian while participating in & profiting from kidnapping, human trafficking & forced labor. This whole thing is a bullshit take! No thanks!!
I highly respect these Confederate BLACK soldiers, i just wish people or the government would tell the real truth of southern history
They served as slaves.
I don't respect idiots fighting against their best interests.
the confederates had mixed regiments years before the racist feds integrated troops.
Yes....but had they won- those traitors would had put their black troops right back into slavery or would had made sure they were not equal to them.
Mixed regiments that also conveniently part of the Southern aristocracy, and were a minority under constant pressure from the Confederate officials and were disbanded on numerous occasions. Even though integration took way too damn long it actually stayed in place throughout the war and is around today.
Mix regimens is also lift out of the books about the German army
They really didn't. They had camp slaves. This didn't make them "mixed regiments" - there was never such a thing as a black confederate soldier.
Are we seriously making a progressive out of Beford Forrest, founder of the KKK and perpetrator or gruesome war crimes against black Union soldiers?
As a white patriotic American (and I hate to have to put the word white in this statement) I have the utmost respect and love for all our men in military. We are all true Americans. Thank you to those who have been forgotten. In my mind and heart you will never be forgotten. Why are these facts not taught in our schools.
there used to be a old BBQ restaurant in morrow ga and it had all sorts of civil war relic's one of them was a picture of an old black man in Confederate uniform the date of the picture had to be from the late 1960s morrow played an important role in the battle of Atlanta
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 Ask the current Democratic party.
@@nextstar55 He also resigned after the KKK got too violent. An interesting bargain that Forrest gave them to get their freedom one way or the other. The whole system was messed up but there were a few free blacks in the south even when slavery was legal.
The civil war like most wars unfortunately was most about money and a power struggle.
Nah, it was about slavery.
@@jw6241 I mean they try to downplay the slavery aspect, but the Southern states mentioned slavery when they seceded. Of course, economics was part of it, I mean the North didn't accept the idea of more slave states and the Southerners having their "free" labor there.
General Forrest’s Account of his 45 Black
Confederates: “Better Confederates Did Not Live”
Both slaves and Free Men of Color served with Forrest's Escort, his Headquarters, and
many other units under his command (Rollins, 1994). General Forrest took 45 slaves to war
in 1861. He told a Congressional committee after the war:
I said to 45 colored fellows on my plantation that I was going into the army; and if they would go with me, if we got whipped they would be free anyhow, and that if we succeeded and slavery was perpetrated, if they would act faithfully with me to the end of the war, I would set them free.
Eighteen months before the war closed I was satisfied that we were going to be defeated,
and I gave those 45, or 44 of them, their free papers for fear I might be called.
In July of 1875, the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association (Forerunner of the
NAACP) invited Nathan Bedford Forrest to speak to their organization. In his speech Forrest demonstrated his personal sentiments to the organization which differed from that
of the Klan. Forrest was the first Caucasian to be invited to speak before the Association.
Forrest advocated racial reconciliation through his personal sentiments which he shared with the Association. In this his last public speech which the New York Times described as a “friendly speech” Forrest was offered a bouquet of flowers by a black woman. He cordially received the flowers as a token of reconciliation between black and Caucasian races.
Nathan Bedford Forrest espoused a radical agenda of quality and harmony between black
and white Americans. Here is Nathan Bedford Forrest’s speech delivered to the independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association:
"Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the
white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation.
I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag
of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt - that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and
live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the
war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best
I could, and I don't believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever
you are capable of going.
I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us.
When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgment in selecting men for office and vote as you think right.
Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons
here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and
the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be
industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your
relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to
be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.)
Artsartisan awesome speech that NBF gave
I wish I could give this a thousand likes ❤️
Where did you get this?
@Victor Mace seems like a near death bed conversion. In no way adjust documented history of his membership and leadership of the KKK. It is entirely possible the formerly enslaved members of his unit were grateful for being freed but also are pragmatic about the potential real effect that speaking against or even neutrality about Forrest could have on them and their families.
I was fascinated with this speech and found the actual newspaper article covering the talk and speeches given by other former Confederates. Its really quite fascinating. The only thing I struggle with is what happened to the goodwill and support that the others offered to give as well? There are no "rebuttals" from the Pole Bearers Association that I could find in print. Given what followed over the next few decades (Jim Crow and segregation), I cannot help but wonder if they were just empty word for a greater motive. I'm still on the fence.
Good leaders inspire loyalty and personal sacrifices. I'm no fan of Confederacy, but I've got to give it up to general Forrest, he inspired people.
Wonder how these supposed "black cavalrymen" felt about the massacring of black Union soldiers at Fort Pillow. Please go read a book
Real Confederacy (boots on the ground) was about defending state's rights. Politics above them were about preserving/expanding slavery. I get your meaning and I agree, but the Confederacy isn't exactly what's to blame here. Just like today, it's grayer and layered with complications in ways history books will never tell.
@@konspiracy9895 "Boots on the ground" soldiers also came home after the war and fought tooth and nail to deny black people the most basic rights of their newly won freedom. I'm not discounting the "higher principles" Johnny Reb fought for, but his interests were likely also thoroughly identified with the preservation of the "status quo". Recinstruction is IMO proof thereof.
@@u.sgrant7526 My assessment came directly from a civil war survivor. Where did yours come from?
@@konspiracy9895 Recordings of former slaves, Abram Colby, etc. I dont discount the fact that SOME confederates ONLY fought for redeemable principles, but Reconstruction effectively proves that wasnt the case for most soldiers.
The south isn't about race, it's about unity and loving your fellow American and never being ashamed of your beliefs. Thank you God for making me southern
Probably now it’s not back in the day it sure was
Be honest, you hate black people. LOL!!
Don't you mean, "Thank you Lucifer" for making me Southern ?" If the South wasn't about race wouldn't that make it the "North" ? LOL !! Unity ?! Loving your fellow American ?! Shouldn't that be ...Loving your fellow Caucasion of European Decent ? Not 1% Caucasian,Not 50% Caucasian,Not 80 % or 90% Caucasian but 100% Caucasian ?! Beliefs ??!! You mean claim that you believe in God but reject Jesus and deny the power there of ? To hate the Jews because God chosen them...then turn aroung a and claim that you're the chosen of God ?? Hmmm... Don't make GOD laugh !
(@Frapzoid) Be honest. You're braindead.
Farmer Jay you are right
Which part of south Africa are you from
Brave solders of a dreamed democracy ! Brave ,honest in their needs and their dead !This must take honorable place in the american history not only ,but in the world 's one !
Its sad that blacks will actually tell u these people dont exist
dorito loco I will tell you that they never got on the confederate payroll so they were slaves or fools.
@@nora22000 exactly just a bunch of Uncle Tom's
You get traitors in all societies. I believe the blacks that fought on a side that wanted to keep them in bondage suffered from Stockholm Syndrome' . They were literally in mental slavery.
Let us all fight to put the truth out there so these men shall never be forgotten. Call your local, state and federal political leaders and call them on the crap they have pushed to separate us.
@Exactly brother that's way it's been since this all started in 2000 when that took our flag off my South Carolina capitol been can here the truth here in the doc here and still don't wanna believe the truth like you said we have talked about this before in the past around home so menny people wanna hate just what they truly don't understand our even wanna take the time to listen our to even want to understand its like after a while they just want it one way just to say anthor God bless you and your family bro
@@bobbyjohnson9814 South Carolina the beautiful and spectacular state of the south. I believe that the politicians have ripped our flag down because of what else? Money. The Battle flag has been made scary to the locust (yankee) because of social engineering. The truth is just a search engine away yet hate fills their heart because of ignorance. Deo Vindice!
What truths did you hear?
@@ericblackwell6389 I read biographies and articles from the time period in question then I make an opinion based on facts not feelings.
@@floridacracker-cn4nt not what I asked? What truths did you take away from this video? For me it was reinforced that black men were camp followers for the South.
Back in the field now boy!
God rest these brave American Men, courage and valor beyond my comprehension. I thank all of them.
By the end of the U.S. Civil War, there were approximately 180,000 Black Americans serving in Union uniform. This represented about 10 percent of Lincoln’s army. While a good number of these men were citizens of the North, it’s been estimated that about half were former slaves who had fled the Confederacy to take up arms against their former oppressors. These so-called “colored soldiers” have often been credited with helping to turn the tide of the war in favor of the Union. Yet astonishingly, not all blacks that took part in the War Between the States fought for the North.
Black Americans were involved in the Confederate war effort too. The overwhelming majority of them were slaves and as such had no choice but to accompany their masters on campaign. Yet a minute number were free men. While, most black Confederates served as stewards, cooks, stable hands or laborers, there is some evidence that at least a few carried rifles and might have even served in battle, either as willing volunteers or as pressed men. But determining just how many Black Americans actually fought for the Rebellion has touched off a war of sorts in its own right. Those who believe that scores of Black Americans did indeed fight for the South consider it evidence that there was more to the Rebel cause than the defense of slavery. It’s an argument that (rightly or wrongly) absolves the Confederacy of what many consider to be its racist heritage.
@@xavierwash98 The 1st Louisiana Native Guard Was the first black unit in the Union Army. Ironically, was also originally raised as a confederate unit 1861, but switched allegiance to the union merely one year after its formation in 1862. This was early in the war well before confederate defeat was assured. I find it funny if black soldiers in the confederacy were so loyal to the confederate cause they would do such a thing. The reality is blacks under arms in the south either were forced or it was a simply a matter of self interest at the time, hardly any loyalty to the confederacy, much like the Sonder Kommando in WW2.
@@tsdobbi Exactly and thank god there's someone with knowledge on the Civil War in this comment section.
One of the toughest states in which to free slaves was New York. Come to think of it... Still is.
Last I checked, NY fought for the North.
New Jersey didn't release until after the war.
In your day of judgement, it will not be wise to reflect upon the sins and abominations of others!!
@@phillipclark7386 Several didn't. Connecticut was the last, in 1872.
Respect to those veterans.
God bless these forgotten gentlemen!
They were sevents
Xavier Washington No sir, not all of them. General Forrest’s fiercest troops were his black troops. Armed with short rifles, pistols and knives, these men were FEARED.
@@graycloud057 he was a grand wizard of the kkk, slave owner and slave trader and you actually think he treated black soldiers with respect?! Delusional.
July 20, 2008
Cliff Harrington states in a Charlotte Observer article, "Wary [Clyburn] served as bodyguard for Capt. Frank Clyburn in Company E of the 12th regiment from South Carolina. He carried Frank on his shoulders to rescue his boyhood friend from intense fighting. He also served as a special aide to Gen. Robert E. Lee, according to documents that his daughter has."
Sounds like the Confederates had a more diversified arm forces than the Union.
Wow; I never knew this. Very interesting history.
They were servants
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
@@nextstar55 dude it was slavery in the north before and during the civil war 🤦🏾♂️ plus I'm Black and my ancestors were treated like Auctal Human Beings and With Kindness And Respect In The South Nobody Got Rapped Whipped Or Hunged And They Also Fought For The Confederacy.Theres a Black Confederate Soldiers Monument In Mississippi
@@xavierwash98 and Not Only Were Some Of Them Servants They Were Also Soilders ✊🏿
@@AllStarboy105 and I wonder how u know this detailed Information of how your direct descendent from about 200years ago was living when we know u have no writhing nor even documentation of what plantation or farm your people was on because slaves were not allowed to fucking write and some ledgers were not keep or stored in the right manner for preservation to be read . Stop saying you black when we know u not
God Bless them along with all the other Rebel lads. It was Yankee Reconstruction oppression that created the animosity that did not exist previously.
Good is in any race, I Thank them all for their service.
There were About 200 black confederates who served in the Civil War.
The war was virtually over by then, and when black Union soldiers rode into Richmond on April 3, they found two companies of black men beginning to train as potential soldiers. (When those black men had marched down the street in Confederate uniforms, local whites had pelted them with mud.) None got into the war, and Lee surrendered on April 9. Yes, thousands of Black American men did fight in the Civil War about 179,000. About 37,000 of them died in uniform. But they were all in the Army (or Navy) of the United States of America.
Blacks provided indispensible manpower resources for the South in every aspect of military life except combat. Teamsters, cooks, hospital attendants, munitions workers, labor for building forts, and, most importantly, the farm labor that was needed to feed the armies all these vital roles were filled by enslaved blacks and some numbers of free “Negroes.”
Much is made of the handful of blacks who did carry weapons and the rare occasions where they were reported in combat. It is very difficult for us to comprehend the variety of experience contained in antebellum slavery. But, there were “familial” relations between slave and master that could incorporate a slave fighting. Harriet Tubman records encountering a black man dressed in Rebel homespun serving as a sniper or scout. But, and this must be emphasized, the myth of large numbers of black men fighting as Rebels is just that. a myth. People like to point out the New Orleans Native Guard which was a militia unit of free black men who were in service to the Confederacy. But, just about as soon as the Union captured New Orleans they switched their allegiance and, in any case, were never of much use militarily to either side.
There were two famous moments when the South debated arming the slaves. General Cleburne of the Army of Tennessee, circulated a letter asking for his fellow generals to petition the Rebel government to give up slavery and arm the slaves. He understood that asking the black men to fight meant the end of slavery, and he advanced the position that independence for the South was more important than maintaining slavery. For his effort he was roundly criticized and there was no action taken. Cleburne, a great officer of Irish origin, died in the famous charge at Franklin. In the East, Lee’s army at Petersburg was wasting away under Grant’s relentless attack, and everyone but Davis seemed to recognize that the end was near. Arming the slaves was a last minute effort that was undertaken too late to have any effect.
As was said at the time “If the Negro can make a soldier, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong.” The ideological underpinning for race based slavery was that the black African was not morally equal to the white man and required a period of apprenticeship before he would be capable of becoming a citizen. In the honor culture of the South, the idea of self-sacrifice for home and hearth was an ideal associated with all sorts of notions of duty, morality, civilization, Christianity, self-government, and so on. If a black man could serve honorably- sacrificing himself for the community then the rationale for his enslavement would disappear. Citizenship and military service were linked in a way harkening back to the citizen soldiers of Greece.
The refusal of the South to surrender slavery even at the point of defeat and destruction refutes those arguments advanced by apologists for the Confederacy who reject the idea that slavery was the essential cause of secession.
SO, in summary, there was a massive black manpower contribution to the Confederate war effort. There were scattered examples of black men in arms as individuals fighting alongside white troops. There were two notable organized bodies of African American Southern soldiers: the aforementioned Louisiana militia, and the handful of companies recruited as Richmond fell. That’s it.
There were more than 10,000, not just 200. The North made a lot of money off of slavery, too, and many of the states who did not secede were also slave holding. It was a war of economics and taxes, and slavery was going to end no matter who won, because it was the linch pin to sink the other side if abolished.
The Victor tales they damn tales don't they
I'm pissed that after we lost, the Union went ahead and started killing more damn indians
Read the southern States Articles of Succession. The war was about slavery.
If it were absolutely about slavery, then why was there not a single proposal made to congress addressing liberation until 3 years into the war, I'm just curious...
With that said, if Lincoln would have made the legal (and just) move in allowing the states to secede, slavery would have certainly remained in practice but the union would have established a system to bring slaves north, that is, if they in fact cared about human rights (and we know they did...)
I'd like to add that, prior to the emancipation proclamation, Lincoln passed a fed law that required states to return escaped slaves to their owner... Because union states never had large groups of African-Americans and were did not wish to change that... Still dont
"We command u free the slaves, just don't come ur black asses north when u finally are free"
Victor!!!!!! That damn asshole I’ll get ‘em.
GOD BLESS THE SOUTHERN STATES!
+Jacob Mercer And may they forever live in defeat and shame
CIA DisinfoShillAgent brothers killing brothers
There's not one red blooded Southern man that carries an ounce of shame. You on the other hand, well, you would never understand.
CIA DisinfoShillAgent Sorry ma'am, We don't feed trolls here.
You mean God bless the shit hole of the US.
Black Confederates is a term often used to describe both enslaved and free African Americans who filled a number of different positions in support of the Confederate States of America during the American Civil War (1861-1865). Most often this assistance was coerced rather than offered voluntarily. Enslaved men were either hired out by their enslavers or impressed to work in various departments of the Confederate army. Free Black men were also routinely impressed or otherwise forced to perform manual labor for the army. The government’s use of Black labor, whether free or enslaved, followed patterns established during the antebellum period, when county governments routinely engaged the service of Black men to help maintain local roads and other public property. While large numbers of Black men thus accompanied every Confederate army on the march or in camp, those men would not have been considered soldiers. Only a few Black men were ever accepted into Confederate service as soldiers and none did any significant fighting. Through most of the war, the Confederate government’s official policies toward Black men maintained that those men were laborers, not soldiers; changes to that policy in March 1865 came too late to make any difference to Confederate prospects for victory
First time I ever heard about black confederate soldiers was 6;00 AM while waiting to go to work behind the secure gates as a sailor in Virginia. All of my life I had been taught that no blacks served in confederate forces. After I retired from the service I took an English class an chose a topic for my paper on Confederate Black Soldiers. I found out so much that I was amazed and angered at the lack of this knowledge being passed out to the country. History books I had read NEVER covered this. This information NEEDS to be taught so that ALL of our honored dead can be remembered for the service they gave during the Civil War.
By the end of the U.S. Civil War, there were approximately 180,000 African Americans serving in Union uniform. This represented about 10 percent of Lincoln’s army. While a good number of these men were citizens of the North, it’s been estimated that about half were former slaves who had fled the Confederacy to take up arms against their former oppressors. These so-called “colored soldiers” have often been credited with helping to turn the tide of the war in favour of the Union. Yet astonishingly, not all blacks that took part in the War Between the States fought for the North.
African Americans were involved in the Confederate war effort too. The overwhelming majority of them were slaves and as such had no choice but to accompany their masters on campaign. Yet a minute number were free men.
While, most black Confederates served as stewards, cooks, stable hands or labourers, there is some evidence that at least a few carried rifles and might have even served in battle, either as willing volunteers or as pressed men. But determining just how many African Americans actually fought for the Rebellion has touched off a war of sorts in its own right.
Those who believe that scores of African Americans did indeed fight for the South consider it evidence that there was more to the Rebel cause than the defense of slavery. It’s an argument that (rightly or wrongly) absolves the Confederacy of what many consider to be its racist heritage.
@@xavierwash98 thank u sir for giving these white csa a piece of your intelligence , but to no avail will they answer or hear you out . Their position is not to understand or to gain true knowledge it is to stain the fabric of history . Because of the shame of their forefathers
@xavierwash98 Anyone who equats the historical realities of that time with the idea that black slaves and free black men fighting for the Confederacy absolves the South of any responsibility or feelings of guilt is absolutely moronic. The history of this nation, like the history's of nearly every nation, is deeply complex and filled with contradictions, misinformation, untold facts and often repeated fabrications, myths, legends, dogma, folklore, tall tales and propaganda, all woven together with what is known to be (or at least believed to be) the Truth and yet even the Truth, told honestly and in good faith, is still many many shades of gray that every year continue to increase as more and more of our history and the experiences of our people are uncovered. Its easy to fall into the trap of biases in it's many forms when attempting to view history through the lense of the Present; which is why being self-aware of one's own prejudices is so important and not allow our modern opinions to cloud our ability to view history (as the video posited) how it actually was and not what we think or wish it to be.
"I just spent seven years reading thousands of Confederate soldiers letters, and I didn’t find one writer who described “black Confederate” soldiers in action. - Ken Noe, Alumni Professor and Draughon Professor of Southern History, Auburn University
Have you found 1 monument of a Black confederate hero ?
... if not
I won't hear any HISTORY WAS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS SPEEL.
This is devicive and both sides are guilty as always. The Right has been crying the loudest and working against justice over 150 years
Thanks! These ppl are Embarrassing themselves.
Wow. Glad to know this exists.
this stuff brings tears of hope to my eyes
I've been coming back to watch and re-watch this clip for over a decade. The soundtrack in this documentary is beautiful, and I LOVE the footage of the black southerners in the reunion. That said, one of how speakers said it himself: "We are the last of the old BODYGUARDS of our old masters." By bodyguards he means body servant. The Confederate Army Regulations state in Article 46, Section 1399 that only white men can enlist as soldiers. Furthermore, Section 1008 of the Regs forbade any soldier in the Army from being employed as a private servant. These black Southerners did march with the army and do have claim to a piece of history, but they were slaves working as servants; they were not soldiers, and the CS Army was not a vessel of progress.
Too many photographs of blacks in Confederate uniforms prove you are highly mistaken.
@@johnharris8191 Too many photographs of people wearing white stormtrooper armor proves that the Imperial Army from Star Wars is real.
Hell, when push come to shove, these black men shot a gun if need be. My own uncle was a baker in the Army. Does this make him less than a combat veteran? Hell, no. You did not listen to the video, just content to spout off.
@@shirleybalinski4535 That's the thing... your uncle was in the Army. He enlisted as a SOLDIER and was assigned a culinary MOS based on recruiting needs. He swore an oath, went to basic training, had a military rank, and if/when he was baking in a combat zone, I'm willing to bet he had a weapon he was issued. This has been the same for American soldiers from 1822 to 2022. Now how many of the body servants in the clip do you think went through all those the same steps?
@@civilwarwildwest Very well said.
SMH..."Bodyguards of our masters"?
"He was a man of his times in this area"...
"Forrest was a pragmatist"...
"He was good to his slaves ... he was a humanitarian"...
Think critically about what what you have watched.
THESE black confederates weren't soldiers, they were slaves in a soldier's uniform.
Consider the answer to this question.
When did it become legal for "slaves" to carry arms in the confederate Army?
Don't let this hype go unscrutinized.
On March 12, 1865, any slave who was in the soldiers uniform was freed
In simpler terms if you fought you earned your freedom.
THANK YOU very much for posting this. I wrote a play and screenplay about a particular BLACK FREE CONFEDERATE Soldier. 16yrs ago. In Harlem NYC I had the great opportunity to have my material read in Frank Silvera's playwriting workshop which Actor Morgan Freeman is one of the co-founders. Can't reveal too much at the moment due to sporadic inquiries from both off-broadway and Film producers, In addition to turning down a few offers.
Congrats keep us update about the project would love to check that out
They were no free confederate black soldiers and your are truly not black .
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@@MrEzee777 it’s called forced labor and support roles if you actually read instead of watching just TH-cam videos from randoms you would learn tht it’s was illegal for any black man to serve in combat for csa , these people on video are going through Stockholm syndrome . u bring great dishonor upon your country men spreading csa lies . If you don’t see a another black man on camera forced to wear a uniform I can definitely tell u then are not black , for as a black men you would feel the same as if the time was 2037 or 1885 tht no free black man of thought and liberty who interest should be his own preservation would knowingly lead himself to his own downfall
LMAO...Its seems you have not been comprehending the very beginning of my thread......"Not Reading"...Waay before TH-cam.....Back 2003, I wrote a auto bio story of Moses Johnson a Play for NYC Harlem Play-writers and Morgan Freeman/ Frank Silvera workshop' Harlem...In addition, it was going into Movie Script production by 2 huge Actors production companies, A Black Actor and White Italian actor...."You Play Sherlock and Guess Who"..... in 2004, I BURNT CALORIES aka FootWORK...to do my own research interviewing the Great Grand Children of Black Confederates Soldiers in North and South Carolina and Virginia.......NOTE: Even the LINK I sent only presented 65-70% truth. As I should have evaluated it first.......SO YOU REALLY NEED TO GET OUT OF YOUR ......"ONE ZIPCODE MENTALITY ....To Read and Research
Look I love everyone. Just gets hard when a yankee comes up to me and acts like he knows what he’s talking about. Pisses me off
Ethan Higgins 54 I'm a Yankee I know it was tyranny not slavery.All had slaves sold to them by their own people.
Yessuh, it sho do.
@@marileedenr8473 "All had slaves sold to them by their own people." Does who sells you a slave somehow make it okay for you to own one?
It just pisses me off whenever anyone walks up to me, yankee or reb
@@marileedenr8473 Jefferson david made it clear it was about slavery and race.
Thank you very much, I am from Angola and really enjoyed and learned. 🇦🇴👍🏿
If you say so!
U learned propaganda
The war wasn’t about color, it was about greed and power
That's bullshit!!!
That is true ,. The southern harbours were taking too much revenue from New York and Boston...the slave issue didn't come to fruition until the emancipation proclamation in 1863,.. And at that time a huge number of NORTHERNERS defected and went home,, why? Because so many of them didn't want to fight for THAT reason.,. Truth is truth and history is history,,. Until it is rewritten....
All wars are my friend. Good point.
Yes it was. But the Union held the moral high ground in the matter.
All the South had was "King Cotton", and a massive sense of pride.
Mike Henson Lincoln taxed the south way more then the north and sent thousands of union soldiers to Baltimore and burnt down shops and houses. Then when the union started losing the war they gained more recruits by allowing blacks to fight. The south had black soldiers and other races long before the union. The victors told the stories
"The day you make a soldier of them is the beginning of the end of the Revolution. And if slaves seem good soldiers, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong'." - Howell Cobb
There is a Lincoln speech (that I can't find right now or I'd quote it) given not long before his death, where he was commenting on the recently enacted Confederate policy of allowing slaves to fight for them. He noted that over the years he had heard a lot of unconvincing arguments in favor of slavery, but if a man were willing to fight for his own slavery he might be convinced that it was a good thing.
It is absolutely criminal that they do not teach this in school.
Only the winner writes the history as it fits, same as everywhere in the world.
I am from NJ and still live in NJ. I love my state as I do all 50 of them. Today we can stand together as Americans and not be divided. This being said, I have no clue who I would have fought for had I lived back then. This war really had nothing to do with slavery. Honest Abe used slavery as a tactic to piss the South off even more. This war is just like the Revolutionary war, people telling people what to do. The south were not bad people, in fact we the north started the war with all the laws. when I was younger we were told that this war was fought over slavery and the Confederates were bad people. We really need to tell the truth to kids.
Most people just fought for their State. Most likely you would have fought for the same reason. Your land/farm/family and friends. The ones who started it was for political reasons $$$$$$ the North wanted their hands on all that cotton money.
So why was it ok to tell black people what to do but God forbid the North better not tell the South what to do?
I am 60% African of mixed race ancestry from Ohio. I have both black & white family from Kentucky who served on both sides during the Civil War. In fact my 5th G-grandmother (on my mother's side) is a Davis who is directly related to Jefferson Davis and on my father's side Jefferson Davis married Zackary Taylor's daughter who is directly related to my father.
Im so glad this info is out there. I live in Portugal, got my Confederate flag on the porch I love the south. The elite love to change our history (thats all history on the planet)
God bless the Bonnie Blue, be proud of your Southern heritage.
Get the fuck out of here
@@richardmillwood8370 proud of southern heritage? You mean be proud of getting mowed down like a pack of wild dogs by the north?😄😆
@@chaboi7 just another racist
Our Brothers, true Southers !
A outstanding piece of history. Thanks for sharing
He also is the one of the first to start the KKK and he also committed terrible war crimes captured a bunch of free slaves who surrendered and killed all of them
Wait a minute, 20-year-olds on Twitter and Facebook will cuss you out swearing this never happen.
WHITE and BROWN 20 YEAR OLDS.
That’s saids a lot about how much they don’t know but wants everybody to think they do hypocrites !!!!!!!
I pray these brave men are never forgotten. They are a piece of American history too.
God bless Dixie and the South the true America that the war in 1776 was all about
No. The war in 1776 was for ALL of america. It was fought mostly by immigrants. Our grandfathers and many other men fought the ENGLISH These were soldiers of the few colonies that existed. There was NO north and south then.. I had many grandfathers in both wars. I know history. You should educate yourself. Bless us ALL. One country. Not a divided country.
Most colonists were neutral, rest were either Tories or Rebels.
Powderfinger Wrong. Most Colonists were in favor of the Revolution. Quit spreading lies you Marxist Revisionist.
@@ChrisStokes07 Most weren't for independence until Thomas Paine wrote Common Sense.
@@TKDragon75 Paine published the pamphlet anonymously and donated the royalties to George Washington's army not only galvanizing the call to war but helping fund it as well.
This story deserves a motion picture.
Don't forget Stand Watie and the Cherokee Raiders!
Stand Waite and his troops were real American hero's. I don't believe the bullshit stories I have read and heard.
my ggg grand dad william tucker wright was in his regiment. first cherokee mounted volunteers and 2nd regiment co A mounted rifles enlisted 1862 muster date 186 three enlisted at maysville, ar.
@Brian Glover most indians joined was the confederate army
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Name: William Wright
Enlistment Date: 12 May 1862
Enlistment Place: Maysville Ark
Muster Date: 3 Jul 1863
Military Unit: First Cherokee Mounted Volunteers (Watie's Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Volunteers; 2d Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Rifles, Arkansas; 1st Regiment, Cherokee Mounted Rifles or Riflemen)
Rank: Private
my ggg grand dad record.
Nathan Bedford Forrest was also the founder of the K.k.K.
Not true
He was not the founder, but he was with them for a year then he saw what was going on and told them to “burn your coats!”
General Nathan Forest was called the WIZARD OF THE SADDLE.
AND THE BEST CARVERY GENERAL OF THE WAR.
It is still hard to believe that we Americans fought such a huge and bloody war against each other.
And even after over a hundred and fifty years people still argue over what the whole thing was about.
How about mentioning the hundreds of thousands foreign mercenaries the union had to ship in. How about mentioning how the civil war was about money and debt not slavery.
Slavery!!!
Stop saying is about money is about state rights learn history
The Civil War was all about Slavery! You can't beat Free labor!
@@commanderwatchman9994 no it wasnt it was state rights you dumb ass
Commander Watchman no it wasn’t. It had nothing to do with slavery. If it did why was there black confederates? Why was there native Americans and Mexican that joined the confederacy? You can’t fight a war in chains. You can’t give your slaves guns and live. Think logically. Everything you have been told is a lie. The civil war was about money debt and control.
Yes, this is what I was talking about for long time . Black conference never got recognition for their sharp shooter in Missouri as first regimen. They should be recognized for their courage. Slaves where drafted by Confederacy not to remain as a slave
Most of these guys did not serve willingly, and many deserted to the Northern forces as soon as possible.
1 out of Forrest 42 black confederates deserted the rest stayed with him till the end of the war.
My mother knew her grandfather who fought for the confederacy. As a girl she went with him to visit a confederate veterans home. She remembered one of those veterans being a black man who was living at the home and drawing a veterans pension.
"From the beginning of this struggle, [African Americans] took part ---
on the Union side thousands of run-a-way slaves joined the Army and Navy. Likewise thousands took part on the Confederate side
actuated by a type of loyalty unsurpassed in human annals."
~West A. Hamilton, Colonel, Infantry Reserve
Hampton Conference on National Defense (November 1940)
Harry S. Truman Library and Museum
Guess that makes slavery good lol
sherman called slavery the pre text of the war...the civil was not about slavery it was about independence from tyrany
State Rights violations by North and over taxation caused Civil War
@@santagemma6212 I don’t care what causes the civil war, I’m just glad the north won.
1:46 looks exactly like Al Sharpton, coincidence?
God Bless these Men......2 of my ancestors fell, at Battle of Wilderness...CSA....
I wish I was there to shoot your ancestors.
Good.
@@cheddarman2634 You wouldn't have a chance
The few slaves that were in the south were treated well and not horrible like the liberal media likes to say they were and most of them were proud to be apart of the confederacy.
You're a piece of shit. There is NO SUCH THING as a "liberal media," and the viciousness with which slaves were treated has NEVER been fully expressed. The racist lie that they were "treated well" is despicable bullshit. NONE was "proud to be part of a the confederacy," a tiny number was conned into it, and a few were forced into it. NONE was proud to fight for slavery.
lBaerdeLouisYAna Lie. Slavery was the issue, and remains so. Youtr vile racist icon is a representation that says "Black people should still be slaves." That's what that flag represents, Bull Connor...oh, wait, you probably think he as from New Hampshire.
lBaerdeLouisYAna So few words, so much idiocy. No, Lincoln did not start the war, the southern states refusing to follow the law of the US started the war. And abolitionists freed the slaves in the same way that the Freedom Riders ended bus desegregation...or do you think the bus company just suddenly woke up one day with a conscience? The heroes and martyrs of the civil rights movement ended Jim Crow, not lowlifes like Wallace and Ross Barnett, and neither Barnett nor President Kennedy desegregated Ole Miss, the courage of James Meredith did.
DebsForPresident You tham right! it is good to call out those confederates sympathizers,
DebsForPresident another yankee moron. It was not illegal to secede. In fact, if you read the Declaration of Independence the Southern states used those very words to secede. What was illegal was for Lincoln to raise an army to invade the Confederate States without consent of Congress. That's why 5 more states seceded. The South fought the entire war as a defensive war to protect their homeland from a tyrannical government (just like we're facing today). Also, I know you don't know this, but there were slaves in the North before, during, and after the War of Northern Aggression. If you'd read more and spout BS less, you'd know these things, moron.
"They believe slavery a sin, we do not, and there lies the trouble." - Henry M. Rector, Governor of Arkansas, March 2, 1861, Arkansas Secession Convention"
Feeding his slaves enough to survive, and not working them to death hardly make Forrest a humanitarian in my book.
Wow I did not know this
My grandmothers family is from Tennessee and my great great grandfather fought for the south ( to poor to own slaves) . He fought for freedom and the rights of states to govern themselves.
mine to. one side of family in ar. one in dickson county, tn.
my ggg grand dad i discovered was in stand waties regiment
DEO VINDICE!!!!
Don't forget about all pro union guerrilas who fought the confederacy on their home ground, and most of them were confederate deserters and escaped slaves
Wow it’s the reincarnation of Robert E. Lee holy shit this is amazing. A few things have happened. Um u now apparently look like a dickhead when u wear blankets on your head and chant about white supremacy. Who’d a thought? And there was s this group called the Nazis in this thing called Germany and apparently anyone who still chants white supremacy is called one and it’s like really bad. Love to chat more
Maryland, a state that fought for the north, was still a slavery state during the civil war.
This is why, as a native Marylander, I do not commemmorate the Emancipation Proclamation. It freed slaves in neighboring Virginia but left slaves in Maryland in slavery. That is so wrong.
@@toddmiller5656 Ironically, Lincoln was respecting Maryland's state's rights. He had special war powers over the states in rebellion, but not over the loyal border states. It *is* also worth noting that prior to the Emancipation Proclamation, he had tried to convince Delaware (which only had about 1800 slaves by then) of a compensated emancipation plan, and they wouldn't have any of it, so he gave up on trying to convince the border states to do anything. But Maryland can be (somewhat) proud that they abolished slavery by popular referendum in the 1864 election. I mean, the writing was definitely on the wall by then, but it was technically voluntary.
Yes, some slave states chose not to leave the union and the union wasn't just going to kick them out.
@@jasoncross9354 Maryland was the only one
@@fasiapulekaufusi6632 No, there was also Missouri, Kentucky, and Delaware.
And Forrest would go on to be the Grand Wizard of the KKK....
Says a lot about him as a Humanitarian...
Lool. 😂
And he eventually left the klan due to it's violence.
Again Madison makes it clear:
"The Constitution requires an adoption in toto, AND FOR EVER.
We're all slave's of money
I'm a Son of Confederate Veteran in ink and blood
white people had the blacks fight against their own freedom.... it's nothing good about seeing black confederates... how can you be good to your slaves ???this is a crazy statement because forest was a grand wizard of the kkk he was a evil man
Must suck fighting and knowing that if the side you're fighting for wins you will be once again relegated back to being a slave...
Sad how both side used them .
They should've sent back to Africa after the war.
@@robertisham5279 No they shouldn't have, I have love for my black brothers the same I have for my white brothers. If Lincoln wasn't assassinated and continued with his plan to send them off, the US would have been severely impacted by the lack of inventions and updates of inventions by people of color. These black men and women are just as honorable as any other soldier on that battlefield, have respect boy!
I would tell my students in high school about black Confederates and they wouldn't believe me. I just laughed at them. History is very complex and never simple.
Your students are correct to laugh. Did you explain to them that these so called black Confederates were nothing but man servants doing field cooking, shining their masters boots, doing his laundry, etc? In other words they were still slaves. What's complex about that?
Because if you judge everything by today's standards, you deny historical figures their humanity. Slaves were free in their hearts and spirits and were free to bestow their affection. This makes everything complex. Cultural history is more than just dates and facts (many of the latter are disputed anyhow).
Stephen Michaels It was illegal for blacks to serve in the Confederate Army. What is complex about that?. The complexity is with these self appointed TH-cam history experts (aka TH-cam clowns) who keep trying to water down and deny the criminal institution of slavery. You need to stop teaching that nonsense. It's called whitewashing history.
OK, now that I know what I am dealing with, I shall withdraw from this silliness. Again, there are facts and then there are facts. As for blacks in the Confederate Army, it was not illegal in the end for slaves to join. And that isn't taking into account state militias, who had their own rules, which were bent constantly. Or the support personnel who took part in the action on an as needed basis. BTW, it was illegal for Audie Murphy to join the Army (he was too young) but he joined anyhow and went on to be the Most Decorated Soldier of WWII. The whitewashing of history is perpetrated by people who adopt a political line and refuse to acknowledge facts that don't fit their narrative. This is increasingly true in all disciplines today.
@@antinotis No enlistment records of any Blacks who fought for the Rebels. No Black rebel prisoners captured. No black confederate soldiers ever found dead on the battle fields. No rebel diaries contain information pertaining to fighting or training with black men. Not one black rebel signing the pledge of allegiance all rebel prisoners had to sign before they left pow camps at the end of the war.
I have a question, these people were slaves fighting in the war, did they have a choice? Let say if someone said I dont want to fight did they have the right?
Exactly! They were probably lied to and brainwashed
@@i_c_e_555 Like with Stonewall who taught A Sunday school for slaves to teach them the word of god and how god made them less than whites and that was why they were enslaved
@@owgdj True. And the white men actually created a “slave bible”. So the Bible the slaves were being taught wasn’t the actual Word of God.
CHARLES GIRARD: A FRENCHMAN’S OBSERVATION ON BLACK CONFEDERATES…
Charles Girard was a Frenchman who joined the Confederate war effort by promoting the Confederate cause in Europe and accepting a commission to supply the Southern armies with medical equipment and arms. In 1863, he slipped through the blockade and traveled through Virginia and the Carolinas to study the Confederacy and why they were fighting for their independence. He wrote his observations and published the account of his trip the following year in the book, “A Visit to the Confederate States of America.” The following is his observation on Black Confederates:
“Even the southern slaves fight with their masters for their way of life in preference to dying of hunger in northern cities as prey of the invader.” Charles Girard, May 13, 1861.
At least one Black Confederate was a non-commissioned officer. James Washington, Co. D 34th Texas Cavalry, “Terrell’s Texas Cavalry” became it’s 3rd Sergeant. In comparison, The highest-ranking Black Union soldier during the war was a Sergeant Major.
Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. “Stonewall” Jackson’s occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862: “Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number
[Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc., and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army.”
Frederick Douglas reported, “There are at the present moment many Colored men in the Confederate Army doing duty not only as cooks, servants and laborers, but real soldiers, having musket on their shoulders, and bullets in their pockets, ready to shoot down any loyal troops and do all that soldiers may do to destroy the Federal government and build up that of the rebels.”
“A large number of the native free negroes of Louisiana have, through the Delta, proposed to fight for her in 1861 as they did in 1814-15.” - Cincinnati Daily Press, Jan. 5
@@Gatolato1781 1st of all James Washington found your source they listed a source that I can’t access and 2nd the “over 3000 negros must be included in this number” They were camp slaves carrying their master's equipment 3rd or all was Fredrick Douglas there or was he using these rumors in order to get the union to allow colored men into the union army and third of all those Louisianans were the native guard who were mixed raced and some even owned slaves.
The real history is the confederate states didn't approve of blacks fighting for the south until March 1865, by then they were toast. They were never a significant part of the southern army, for pretty obvious reasons. Yes, there were a few, nothing like the north. There weren't many abolitionist fighting for the south either, but there were a few. The fact that Bedford Forrest, the first grand wizard of the Klu Klux Klan, made his slaves help him, fight isn't surprising. I doubt they did it with any choice involved. He's also accused of mass killings of POW's who were black, although that is disputed.
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Slavery was a political issue of great furore in the time leading up to the outbreak of the Civil War, but it was not the reason for that war. At best one could agree that it became a symbol of the political and economic problems between North and South, however, the historical facts do not support it being the principal cause or even one of the significant causes in and of itself.
Note, the anti-slave movement was mostly in the South, the first states to give up slavery before the war were southern, there were more states on the Northern side at the start of the war with legal slavery than in the South, Northern leaders still had slaves in 1860, and so on.
It is true that the elite form the opinions of the masses in many ways, but it is a stretch to believe that hundreds of thousands of Southern boys fought so hard and died or were maimed only to preserve an economic system, as we are being told to believe, in which they had no part - some 94% of Southerners did not own a slave. It is possible many fought for the right to decide their states' futures for themselves, including the matter of slavery (which, as mentioned, they were actively discussing pre-war anyway). The truth is that the issue of slavery was a beat up by the North in a deliberate propaganda war to intervene in European support for the South. Europe was largely on the side of the Confederacy, and at first much materiale was contributed to the South's cause of defending itself against the illegal war undertaken by the North (remember, secession was constitutionally legal). Europe tended to side with the injured party who was being bullied. But slavery in Europe was a hot potato topic, and the more the South were painted as no good slave owning scum by the North the less support for the South could be sold to the European peoples by their leaders. Propaganda worked, support dried up, and the South lost the war for want of every kind of material supplies. The industrial North had no supply problems.
The problem is that the propaganda did not stop when the war ended, and still, now, 150 odd years later, people are swallowing it, hook line a sinker. Was slavery bad? Yes, of course, embarrassingly so. Did the USA go top war with it self to preserve slavery as an institution? No, they North went to war to stop the Southern Confederation from seceding, for political and even more so economic reasons. Slavery was a hot topic of the era, certainly, but it is only confusion and lack of information that leads anyone to think one was the cause of the other.
Wow, who knew? Did he allow them to join the KKK when he was leader of that as well? That would be a good thing to include in this "well rounded" overview of his life.
Thank you! Someone said it! Can’t believe how these old White dudes are trying to depict him!
It's hard to get into the mindset of other times but remember that women were also in subservient positions in society and people accepted that at the time as well.
Man, am I glad this popped up on my screen! Thank you algorithm.
I thought Nathen Bedford Forest became the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
He was a Democrat after all.
Ya your totally right. It’s not like Democrat changed over time and regionalism was a bigger thing. Damn those libtards and there ver changing ways
The original KKK was defenders of the southern People until the north infiltrated the KKK and started the horrindous acts we think of today.
You do know that the parts switched right?
He was also the first to defect after he found out what they were doing and proclaimed that he would kill any current member of the KKK who would commit terrorism.
@@pieterwillembotha6719 I'm glad i finally found out the truth.they sure did try to ruin his good nsme