I believe sitchin was absolutely correct on alot of points of interpretation and translation...where I feel sitchin was wrong is that he didn't challenge his accusers...but given his age and prestige he had so much important things to do but except challenges...he put it out there and it's up to us to figure it out
@@Dragoderian why didn't they do it why he was alive ? Furthermore what have they proven wrong besides a couple of words? His whole hypothesis and theories and at least 90% of his translations are accurate ...discoveries have been made off of his translations alone ! For example....the 2nd chromosome fusion, which proves artificial sophisticated scientific "tampering" which he translated and hypothesized...the dawn of civilization started in South Africa, over 1m stone structures in 100+ square miles of stone ruins in that region dated to over 150k yrs....and what science is saying now that earth was hit by a planet sized planet that made earth what it is today and made the asteroid bekt what it is ! I mean damn if all that checks out give the man a couple mistakes along the way...nobodies perfect ..not Einstein , tesla, musk, Darwin, or God himself, everybody fucks up....but at least he git it right most of the time ! Lol
Sitchin’s idea lines up EXACTLY what Moses wrote in Genesis: “Sons of God” mated with “human females”. Who are sons of god? Someone who came from the sky!! How does anyone not interpret it the same way with our knowledge of alien visitors? Governments are even admitting we’ve been visit! INCLUDING OURS!!!
18:20 It reminds me of when I was in 1ère - that would be the second of the three high school years in France - a teacher told us something like: "Take a circle, the area of the circle is your knowledge and its circumference is your awareness of your ignorance. Hence the more you know, the more you realize how little you know".
When Dr Josh pushed the glasses up on his nose earlier in the video, it reminded me of Clark Kent in the first Superman film, and then you guys get it too. Hilarious! 😂😂😂😂
"You cant know what you don't know"; and both of you admit your studies are narrow and very specific, and that you must remain cautious... "And so, Sitchin is wrong, just wrong." As myself being a retired Academic, I suspect you are still employed by the "Professionals", who would dismiss you and destroy your career if you even entertained Sitchin's work beyond being critical of him. And you will be reprimanded if you deter from the accepted Narrative. But you are young and inexperienced and wisdom comes with life. Just remember that your mind is like a parachute; if its not fully open, you will have a tough landing. If you don't start deep and very wide cross-cultural studies that involves Religions, Geopolitics, Archeological (outside of Mesopotamia), you are basing your opinion on the center puzzle piece and the rest are on the floor. One of these days you will remember my comment and have an epiphany. Hint: Some of our most notable philosophers wrote in their "not so popular memoirs", in all 4 corners of the earth; have hinted to this alternate History. They hid their pondering and questioning of mainstream academics. Professional Academics = the most closed minded and naive minds. You will see this one day. Our world is nothing what you believe.
gosh you guys delve into some awesome topics..i subcribed.. going to be revieweing what you have turned up and brought to a forfront a topic that where on earth do you go to find stuff like this out...and here you guys are...AWESOME :)
The Sitchin and von Dummkopf fans are more like the prisoners in Plato's cave analogy. They see shadows of reality, which they interpret as they like, and they don't want to see the reality because it will disagree with their fantasies.
Thank you for the work you two do. I also have MS. I'm a ppms guy. My beliefs seem to line up more with you two. I had heard the term deconstruction with me. I was very devout for many years but science started showing things that made me question what I was taught. Thank you you have a new fan with me
In the ruins of the Roman town at Tel Aphek, located near Tel Aviv, there is a 3 inch long gouge in one of the paving stones in the Roman road caused by a bulldozer. So, while bulldozers perhaps should not be used in archaeology, they have been. On the other extreme, there is an inscription on a limestone stele in Las Milpas (the one near the Chan Cheech Lodge, not the more famous Las Milpas further north) on which a quarter inch of detail was broken off by a badly wielded toothbrush.
You are such a fun couple!! The hats are lovely, and dr. Josh can pull off wearing them! 1:18:32 the cream coloured one is absolutely adorable, reminds me of a cocky little girl. Megan has a great face that is suited for hats. And those cats are awesome; the one with the fluffy tail is gorgeous and I liked how the ginger one jumped up trying to get some attention. I understand both your hesitance to overstep your knowledge, but outside of your studies you still have a very good developed general knowledge. I'd still value your educated guesses on a million of things.
Thank you so much ❤️ I love my hat collection, and I think Josh looked adorable too 😁 Maybe we should do a general AMA livestream 🧐 and just give our opinions/educated guesses on questions from the audience?
Now you’ve been raging on ‘Twatter’ - The Cat and the Hat - The jacket off to reveal the Superman T-Shirt. Laugh a minute! Everyone in the world needs you guys. All wars would stop immediately! 😂😂😂😂
I looked in the description for the article mentioned around 1:16:30 could I get the link or name of the article... I actually had a back & forth with someone claiming the validity of Stinton's claims in freaking 2021🤦🏽🤦🏽
I didn't realize you named the article, I read it if you dnt mind clarifying something for me At the end the it said Anunna 1st appeared in the 👉🏾post Akkadian period👈🏾 I just dnt understand that since it's a Sumerian term
I am a newb here. I have read all of Sitchins books and found them very entertaining. They got me interested in ancient myths and I went on to read the actual tranlations by Stephanie Dalley, Samuel Noah Krammer, Stephen Mitchell and listen to Irving Finkel. Eye opening for sure. It's one thing though to read it and another to understand the context in which it was ment. Need books to help understand that part. Any recommendations? Thanks for all your videos. I will have my work cut out trying to watch all of them.
I'm trying to imagine someone like Jordan Peterson doing a live stream on myths or biblical meanings and donning an article of women's clothing. I like the fun you two have with your materials and your audience. I tried to watch live last night but the connection was too sporadic. Maybe next time, when Dr. Josh dons a dress. Great show!
We would love for you to share the peer-reviewed data that you are deriving your evidence from. However, given your inaccurate assessment of our beliefs in the first part of your comment, I suspect that your assertions in the latter portion are just as baseless.
@@DigitalHammurabi beautiful reply to idiot. This was one of the funniest and entertaining episodes ever, so I look forward to MH making suggestions as to what you can do to "make it more interesting"! Perhaps he can get his god to come along for an episode and join in. Now that would be interesting!
Regarding “Hovindism”, Christians are trained in the “Gish Gallup” technique and Rhetoric. I met Dr. Gish once upon a time. Seemed rather unassuming, but I was one of “them” and was not in the running to date his daughter. When people have used that technique I no longer try and stop them. I let them ramble until they take a breath, ask them politely if they are through and then if “yes’ then I ask them to restate their initial question. They usually can’t remember. Oy!
I don't know if you read comments way after you're has been posted. I have a sister who listens to a preacher (or whatever he calls himself) named Tom Horn. He preaches about this topic. I would love to hear your on his teachings.
Wow! That was fast. I saw your interview with Aron Ra earlier and I decided to see what y'all are about. I enjoyed learning from the from the two of you.
And to your point...sitchin never claimed that civilization sprang up out of nowhere..in his numerous books he stated that mankind...humans..were 150,000 + yrs old and that there were intelligent prehumans 250k yrs ago...what he said was in sumer is where the cities of the gods were and there were whole cities of giants and cities of humans all over Mesopotamia..and that civilization as we know it with complete language and structure started in sumer and spread outward...and carbon dating is flawed beyond belief...and different factions with there own agendas try to say this place or these people are the first ppl and use any kind of dating they can to fit their agenda....sitchin was no scientist and didn't use carbon dating he simply used the tablets and carvings to present his evidence of advanced beings coming to earth and creating and maintaining human kind.....all these religious ppl and scholars hated him for it and tried at every point to discredit him....but the evidence is there at every turn
As a Hungarian, I can tell, that the scientific consensus is that Hungarian is part of a Finno-Ugric language family. (closest relatives are in Siberia, ex. Mansi) There are some who believe in it, but it was never claimed by serious linguists that Sumerian and Hungarian are related. Some delusional people say that Hungarian and Japanese, or Hungarian and Native American languages are related. Although the Sumerian-Hungarian relationship is a pretty fascinating theory, as it also includes that Jesus was actually a prince of the Parthian Empire and somehow the Bible was originally written in Hungarian, and Hungarians are descended from ancient Mesopotamia. Or at least one book claims that. Maybe I will read it for the giggles once. Must be just as "serious" as the book you are reading currently. 😁 Edit: btw this is such a ludicrous idea, I thought no one outside of Hungary has ever heard about it. 😂😂😂
@@DigitalHammurabi Yeah, that would be great! Are you guys on Facebook? I am a hobbyist that went back for his BA in Linguistics, and looking to get my MA in Assyriology. As far as Sumerian is concerned, I started learning it about 4 years ago, starting with Hayes manual, then went on to Edzard and Jagersma. After that I checked out Foxvog's grammar and Huber's monograph on OB understanding of Sumerian. I go through monographs on Sumerian texts, and am always looking to expand my exposure. My best ancient language is Akkadian, though I have next to no experience with the Neo-Babylonian dialect (just what was in Nissenen's collection of prophecy related texts). I am currently working on Eblaite.
@@@CadaverSplatter, Babylonian Pis^ar ( pishaar ) texts , to be exact , they were the first claim of monotheism institution through their claims of Dreams been messages of prophecies , unlike Sumerian and mainly Assyrian Visions ( which took places during day times when the king or the person was awake ) . the ancient Babylon was a physical location where the Gods built it for their needs it is still called in Iraq ( where I am from ) as BAB-EL in Arabic , from Sumerian BAB-ILLI . the Elamites invaded Babel after the fall of Akkad ( Agade ) , the North Assyrians ( my Ancestors ) did not like that . the 1000 year war began . the Babylonian dialect was made of both Mesopotamian and Urdu mix , just like you have English of England vs American English ( the word for example Colour in England is written Color in American English both are Latin in origin from Colur to mean the value of light spectrum reflected from object that gives its unique appearance ) but in Mesopotamian the Cuneiform was made of 5 wedge styles ( mainly the Ancient Assyrian ), vs the Urdu 4 , the Sumerian was made of only 3 wedge styles, the Sumerian unlike Mesopotamian and all other languages ? was made of pictograph and was syllabic in writing . all others had phonic writing . I don't believe in all Babylonian ancient Pis^aar texts , because they were all manipulated from the Assyrian and Sumerian original texts regarding faith and cosmogonyand the affairs of Men and Gods and Gods been seen as Men like beings not as some super beings , vs Babylonian claims of a singular eternal god named mardukh that created the universe . I suggest you do not waste your precious time on that .
Due to my interest in Sumer I stumbled across you two. The information is interesting your format is a little long. I think you could cover more information in much less time and keep your viewers interested and wanting to come back for more knowing they will get the information they want in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe beer is not the best drink when doing a webcast, the belching is a bit distracting. Anyway I like what you are doing. The hallway analogy to knowledge is excellent. I get very annoyed when people are at the "know enough to be dangerous" level and try to convince me they have it all figured out. If one can't recognize they are at that level then they certainly have no business trying to convince other's they know of that which they are speaking.
Hi, thank you for the comment! We have many videos that are a lot shorter than this one, often under 15 minutes. This was a special, celebratory livestream that was intended to be more substantial than our usual uploads. The beer, I’m afraid, will stay ☺️ our streams are invariably done after a long day, and it is nice to be able to relax with a drink when we’re doing what we love. So glad you liked the hallway analogy! I think it works well, and certainly made sense to me the first time I heard Josh tell it!
When someone writes something down, especially in the Ancient times. It can be almost impossible to try to guess what that person was thinking and what context they really mean. You know, go back and read something you wrote as a kid or High school student and ask yourself. Do you really know what you were talking about? I bet for older people it's much harder to do that than you think. Heck, even writing text online sometimes people take what you write way out of context. To say THIS is what they meant and THIS is what the language says. I personally think you can learn English, understand the alphabet and you can understand structures of sentences and on and on. However, you can't really understand what the person even really meant when you attempt to read it. Sitchin may be wrong and he is definitely right. It really depends. It is not a closed thing, also what is important to remember here is, even if he isn't 100% right. Can you disagree Sitchin didn't get people interested in ancient history? That could be so dry and as dusty as the sands in which they are buried if not for his interpretations?
This is such a great video! I have indulged in the stupidity of Ancient Aliens a time or two in the past, and it can be somewhat entertaining for a while to watch, if you watch it with the understanding that all of it is pretty much junk science. AA has the same issues the creationist "scientists" have regarding starting with a conclusion, and searching for evidence to support your preconceived conclusion. The sad part is, I know there are people out there who watch this and go, "WOW!" And believe everything they say, despite it not making much sense when you think about it. I also wanted to say that thumbnail you guys made was pretty funny. I'm not sure who is cuter in those hats, Dr. Josh or Megan! Hahaha. Take care guys.
Josh, Megan has a lovely English accent. Not British though. I know what you mean and would never normally be so pecious about this but you cn take it. Need it, I dare say.
I resent the somewhat elitist idea that education is a prerequisite for knowing the limitations of your knowlege. Apart from that I enjoy your content (although I’m a little late to this exact party), and I concider your chanel a beacon of light in the dark swamp of anunnaki aliens and conspiracies that covers TH-cam.
Thank you for your comment :) I'm sorry that some of what we say comes across as elitist - that's definitely not the intention, and we have definitely had some of our assumptions challenged and addressed since we made this particular video. I am glad that, regardless of our poor phrasing, you find value in what we do :)
This is by far the worst presentation I’ve ever tried to watch. These children will grow up one day and possibly realize that they didn’t know a quarter of what they thought they knew.
If I were the so-called History Channel directors, I would rather have you folks, Aron Ra, Richard Carrier and other people with good credentials and interesting presentations than the hacks and charlatans they now employ. I completely understand your ethical reluctance to go further than your scholarship strictly permits. I might recommend that you look into Richard Carrier's use of Bayes' Theorem in his book, "Proving History." I'm not entirely comfortable with it, and he could be accused of taking it too far, but I was trained to be a historian and we were taught to use probabilities in judging historicity, and the Bayes' Theorem seems more scientific. If the Sitchen and von Dummkopf fans persist in misusing If ➞ Then, the probabilistics of the theory could, and maybe should, be used to counter their spurious claims.
Someone asked about wether Sumerian has any relatives and you brought up the theories about Hungarian. NO. Hungarian is not similar to Sumerian at all. The only thing I've seen them use to support the claim is sets of random words that look similar. They are quite hilarious really. They make every possible mistake imaginable, including mixing Sumerian and Akkadian words... I'm studying Finno-Ugric linguistics with a special interest on historical linguistics and I know Hungarian to almost fluent level. Studied couple of courses in Sumerian and Akkadian, but these guys have clearly studied less than I have.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that Sumerian is related to Hungarian. I’ve heard it mentioned as a vague possibility, but everything I’ve ever been taught says that Sumerian is a language isolate ☺️
These people are sweet and Im sure very knowledgeable but Ive spent 41 min here and have received practically no real information. Just rambling and chit chat, stupid hats, cats, and a baby. Get to the goddam point!
We did get to the point - it's a livestream for us to have fun with our viewers. If you want something more serious, we have a whole channel full of academic lectures and interviews for you to choose from.
This is so hard to watch!! So much time is spent on this mentioned rambling and this poor scientist gets put down in the very first sentence connected to the topic! So, I'm out and obviously not subscribing! You're more concerned with the number of subscribers that the topic and that's wrong. Product placement and mentioning the payment; joke or not joke - was embarrassing! Bye, bye!
@@DigitalHammurabi And apparently a wise one, that is at least a man of few words. So what's the angle? I (we) haven't got a lifetime to waste. I'm (we're) not getting paid by a university. Have mercy on us, man of God!
Well, I’m a woman, for starters. The video you’re commenting on is an unscripted, spontaneous conversation between my husband and I. It’s not supposed to be short and sweet - he has MS, and speaking off the cuff is hard for him. If you want something more consider then we have many videos that are scripted, which means fewer tangents. Our angle is that we love the ancient Near East and have been lucky enough to have extensive graduate training in the area, and we want to share what we know with an interested audience who haven’t had the educational opportunities that we have had.
I believe sitchin was absolutely correct on alot of points of interpretation and translation...where I feel sitchin was wrong is that he didn't challenge his accusers...but given his age and prestige he had so much important things to do but except challenges...he put it out there and it's up to us to figure it out
Why do you believe that, when real experts right here just demonstrated exactly why Sitchin has no idea what he's talking about?
@@Dragoderian why didn't they do it why he was alive ? Furthermore what have they proven wrong besides a couple of words? His whole hypothesis and theories and at least 90% of his translations are accurate ...discoveries have been made off of his translations alone ! For example....the 2nd chromosome fusion, which proves artificial sophisticated scientific "tampering" which he translated and hypothesized...the dawn of civilization started in South Africa, over 1m stone structures in 100+ square miles of stone ruins in that region dated to over 150k yrs....and what science is saying now that earth was hit by a planet sized planet that made earth what it is today and made the asteroid bekt what it is ! I mean damn if all that checks out give the man a couple mistakes along the way...nobodies perfect ..not Einstein , tesla, musk, Darwin, or God himself, everybody fucks up....but at least he git it right most of the time ! Lol
Sitchin’s idea lines up EXACTLY what Moses wrote in Genesis:
“Sons of God” mated with “human females”. Who are sons of god? Someone who came from the sky!! How does anyone not interpret it the same way with our knowledge of alien visitors? Governments are even admitting we’ve been visit! INCLUDING OURS!!!
He didn’t care about or have time for that. As you get older, you learn to prioritize.
Thank you guys. Late to the party, but loved it!
Hey!!! Thank you so much!!!!
I didn't know 'kenthovinding' was a word in English but I immediately knew what it meant. 😁😁😁
18:20 It reminds me of when I was in 1ère - that would be the second of the three high school years in France - a teacher told us something like: "Take a circle, the area of the circle is your knowledge and its circumference is your awareness of your ignorance. Hence the more you know, the more you realize how little you know".
That's an excellent analogy!
When Dr Josh pushed the glasses up on his nose earlier in the video, it reminded me of Clark Kent in the first Superman film, and then you guys get it too. Hilarious! 😂😂😂😂
SPHERICAL CHESS “Gee Lois, do you think we should?”
At the risk of being a pedant the first superman film was "Superman and the Mole Men" but I get what you mean :-).
"You cant know what you don't know"; and both of you admit your studies are narrow and very specific, and that you must remain cautious... "And so, Sitchin is wrong, just wrong."
As myself being a retired Academic, I suspect you are still employed by the "Professionals", who would dismiss you and destroy your career if you even entertained Sitchin's work beyond being critical of him. And you will be reprimanded if you deter from the accepted Narrative.
But you are young and inexperienced and wisdom comes with life.
Just remember that your mind is like a parachute; if its not fully open, you will have a tough landing.
If you don't start deep and very wide cross-cultural studies that involves Religions, Geopolitics, Archeological (outside of Mesopotamia), you are basing your opinion on the center puzzle piece and the rest are on the floor.
One of these days you will remember my comment and have an epiphany.
Hint: Some of our most notable philosophers wrote in their "not so popular memoirs", in all 4 corners of the earth; have hinted to this alternate History. They hid their pondering and questioning of mainstream academics.
Professional Academics = the most closed minded and naive minds. You will see this one day. Our world is nothing what you believe.
I agree
I couldn’t have said this any better!!! And could have never gotten to the end of the comment.
@@DarrylAJones Thank you 💯
gosh you guys delve into some awesome topics..i subcribed.. going to be revieweing what you have turned up and brought to a forfront a topic that where on earth do you go to find stuff like this out...and here you guys are...AWESOME :)
So glad you're enjoying our videos! :D thank you so much!
Thx guys… love your channel… great to see and hear megan
Nice hallway analogy. There are even some idiots facing in the opposite direction claiming they have personal knowledge of the room.
SPHERICAL CHESS Yes!!! So true!!
The Sitchin and von Dummkopf fans are more like the prisoners in Plato's cave analogy. They see shadows of reality, which they interpret as they like, and they don't want to see the reality because it will disagree with their fantasies.
Ancient astronaut archives debate ? 😎
I'm going to listen to this while watching gaming videos on silent. ; )
Out of all the things stumbled on because of the NonSeq show yall are my favorite.
Woohoo!!!! We are so glad that you found us!!!
Thank you for the work you two do. I also have MS. I'm a ppms guy. My beliefs seem to line up more with you two. I had heard the term deconstruction with me. I was very devout for many years but science started showing things that made me question what I was taught. Thank you you have a new fan with me
It is different when all authority is telling you that a lot of that room DOES NOT EXIST!
Great show, LOVED IT!!!!
Among my favorite subjects
In the ruins of the Roman town at Tel Aphek, located near Tel Aviv, there is a 3 inch long gouge in one of the paving stones in the Roman road caused by a bulldozer. So, while bulldozers perhaps should not be used in archaeology, they have been. On the other extreme, there is an inscription on a limestone stele in Las Milpas (the one near the Chan Cheech Lodge, not the more famous Las Milpas further north) on which a quarter inch of detail was broken off by a badly wielded toothbrush.
24:20 sprang from nothing & boom a cat appears ❤️
I Love the drunk college talk-funny stuff 👏👏👏
Dr Josh and Megan parenting skills on point
You are such a fun couple!! The hats are lovely, and dr. Josh can pull off wearing them! 1:18:32 the cream coloured one is absolutely adorable, reminds me of a cocky little girl. Megan has a great face that is suited for hats. And those cats are awesome; the one with the fluffy tail is gorgeous and I liked how the ginger one jumped up trying to get some attention.
I understand both your hesitance to overstep your knowledge, but outside of your studies you still have a very good developed general knowledge. I'd still value your educated guesses on a million of things.
Thank you so much ❤️ I love my hat collection, and I think Josh looked adorable too 😁
Maybe we should do a general AMA livestream 🧐 and just give our opinions/educated guesses on questions from the audience?
Now you’ve been raging on ‘Twatter’ - The Cat and the Hat - The jacket off to reveal the Superman T-Shirt. Laugh a minute! Everyone in the world needs you guys. All wars would stop immediately! 😂😂😂😂
What Sitchin is doing is like if I were to say that the word 'bushel' is a combination of 'bus' and 'hell' so it means "a bus that takes you to hell."
Yes! That's an excellent analogy!
I looked in the description for the article mentioned around 1:16:30 could I get the link or name of the article... I actually had a back & forth with someone claiming the validity of Stinton's claims in freaking 2021🤦🏽🤦🏽
I didn't realize you named the article, I read it if you dnt mind clarifying something for me
At the end the it said Anunna 1st appeared in the 👉🏾post Akkadian period👈🏾 I just dnt understand that since it's a Sumerian term
I am a newb here. I have read all of Sitchins books and found them very entertaining. They got me interested in ancient myths and I went on to read the actual tranlations by Stephanie Dalley, Samuel Noah Krammer, Stephen Mitchell and listen to Irving Finkel. Eye opening for sure. It's one thing though to read it and another to understand the context in which it was ment. Need books to help understand that part. Any recommendations? Thanks for all your videos. I will have my work cut out trying to watch all of them.
The fucking coffee MAKER. 😂
Are you telling me that Star Wars isn’t history, when it states this clearly at the beginning? 😉
Jar jar Binks hesa real!
I'm trying to imagine someone like Jordan Peterson doing a live stream on myths or biblical meanings and donning an article of women's clothing. I like the fun you two have with your materials and your audience. I tried to watch live last night but the connection was too sporadic. Maybe next time, when Dr. Josh dons a dress. Great show!
Please do an episode on hats in the Ancient Near East!
That's actually pretty doable :D There are lots of hats in iconography.
We would love for you to share the peer-reviewed data that you are deriving your evidence from.
However, given your inaccurate assessment of our beliefs in the first part of your comment, I suspect that your assertions in the latter portion are just as baseless.
@@DigitalHammurabi beautiful reply to idiot. This was one of the funniest and entertaining episodes ever, so I look forward to MH making suggestions as to what you can do to "make it more interesting"! Perhaps he can get his god to come along for an episode and join in. Now that would be interesting!
Regarding “Hovindism”, Christians are trained in the “Gish Gallup” technique and Rhetoric. I met Dr. Gish once upon a time. Seemed rather unassuming, but I was one of “them” and was not in the running to date his daughter.
When people have used that technique I no longer try and stop them. I let them ramble until they take a breath, ask them politely if they are through and then if “yes’ then I ask them to restate their initial question. They usually can’t remember. Oy!
Was Sitchin Right? ... Nibiru is growing larger in our skies (01 17 2023), so, he was right on this.
very fetching luvs
Thank you ☺️
I don't know if you read comments way after you're has been posted. I have a sister who listens to a preacher (or whatever he calls himself) named Tom Horn. He preaches about this topic. I would love to hear your on his teachings.
We’ll take a look! :-)
Wow! That was fast. I saw your interview with Aron Ra earlier and I decided to see what y'all are about. I enjoyed learning from the from the two of you.
And to your point...sitchin never claimed that civilization sprang up out of nowhere..in his numerous books he stated that mankind...humans..were 150,000 + yrs old and that there were intelligent prehumans 250k yrs ago...what he said was in sumer is where the cities of the gods were and there were whole cities of giants and cities of humans all over Mesopotamia..and that civilization as we know it with complete language and structure started in sumer and spread outward...and carbon dating is flawed beyond belief...and different factions with there own agendas try to say this place or these people are the first ppl and use any kind of dating they can to fit their agenda....sitchin was no scientist and didn't use carbon dating he simply used the tablets and carvings to present his evidence of advanced beings coming to earth and creating and maintaining human kind.....all these religious ppl and scholars hated him for it and tried at every point to discredit him....but the evidence is there at every turn
As a Hungarian, I can tell, that the scientific consensus is that Hungarian is part of a Finno-Ugric language family. (closest relatives are in Siberia, ex. Mansi) There are some who believe in it, but it was never claimed by serious linguists that Sumerian and Hungarian are related. Some delusional people say that Hungarian and Japanese, or Hungarian and Native American languages are related. Although the Sumerian-Hungarian relationship is a pretty fascinating theory, as it also includes that Jesus was actually a prince of the Parthian Empire and somehow the Bible was originally written in Hungarian, and Hungarians are descended from ancient Mesopotamia. Or at least one book claims that.
Maybe I will read it for the giggles once. Must be just as "serious" as the book you are reading currently. 😁
Edit: btw this is such a ludicrous idea, I thought no one outside of Hungary has ever heard about it. 😂😂😂
I love this. But I'm of the opinion Sumerian was spoken during the OB period, at least in Nippur.
CadaverSplatter We should talk about it sometime! What kind of background do you have in Sumerian? :-)
@@DigitalHammurabi Yeah, that would be great! Are you guys on Facebook? I am a hobbyist that went back for his BA in Linguistics, and looking to get my MA in Assyriology. As far as Sumerian is concerned, I started learning it about 4 years ago, starting with Hayes manual, then went on to Edzard and Jagersma. After that I checked out Foxvog's grammar and Huber's monograph on OB understanding of Sumerian. I go through monographs on Sumerian texts, and am always looking to expand my exposure. My best ancient language is Akkadian, though I have next to no experience with the Neo-Babylonian dialect (just what was in Nissenen's collection of prophecy related texts). I am currently working on Eblaite.
@@@CadaverSplatter,
Babylonian Pis^ar ( pishaar ) texts , to be exact , they were the first claim of monotheism institution through their claims of Dreams been messages of prophecies , unlike Sumerian and mainly Assyrian Visions ( which took places during day times when the king or the person was awake ) .
the ancient Babylon was a physical location where the Gods built it for their needs it is still called in Iraq ( where I am from ) as BAB-EL in Arabic , from Sumerian BAB-ILLI .
the Elamites invaded Babel after the fall of Akkad ( Agade ) , the North Assyrians ( my Ancestors ) did not like that . the 1000 year war began .
the Babylonian dialect was made of both Mesopotamian and Urdu mix , just like you have English of England vs American English ( the word for example Colour in England is written Color in American English both are Latin in origin from Colur to mean the value of light spectrum reflected from object that gives its unique appearance ) but in Mesopotamian the Cuneiform was made of 5 wedge styles ( mainly the Ancient Assyrian ), vs the Urdu 4 , the Sumerian was made of only 3 wedge styles, the Sumerian unlike Mesopotamian and all other languages ? was made of pictograph and was syllabic in writing . all others had phonic writing .
I don't believe in all Babylonian ancient Pis^aar texts , because they were all manipulated from the Assyrian and Sumerian original texts regarding faith and cosmogonyand the affairs of Men and Gods and Gods been seen as Men like beings not as some super beings , vs Babylonian claims of a singular eternal god named mardukh that created the universe .
I suggest you do not waste your precious time on that .
1.28.25 I can see the ghosts from PacMan! Does that mean the ancient Sumerians had arcade halls?
No, it means that Pacman is an accurate depiction of what life was like in ancient Mesopotamia.
Due to my interest in Sumer I stumbled across you two. The information is interesting your format is a little long. I think you could cover more information in much less time and keep your viewers interested and wanting to come back for more knowing they will get the information they want in a reasonable amount of time. Maybe beer is not the best drink when doing a webcast, the belching is a bit distracting. Anyway I like what you are doing. The hallway analogy to knowledge is excellent. I get very annoyed when people are at the "know enough to be dangerous" level and try to convince me they have it all figured out. If one can't recognize they are at that level then they certainly have no business trying to convince other's they know of that which they are speaking.
Hi, thank you for the comment! We have many videos that are a lot shorter than this one, often under 15 minutes. This was a special, celebratory livestream that was intended to be more substantial than our usual uploads. The beer, I’m afraid, will stay ☺️ our streams are invariably done after a long day, and it is nice to be able to relax with a drink when we’re doing what we love.
So glad you liked the hallway analogy! I think it works well, and certainly made sense to me the first time I heard Josh tell it!
HOW DARE YOU THEY ARE PERFECT
You are my hero :-)
Which hats were Sumerian?
thank you for being cool about sex, you really make it wonderful to listen about, go enki go !!! ahaha
You guys are Kawaii AF❣️😍
... and not in an annoying way, either
First of all, Wikipedia reviews each article after the edits are made. And important pages are locked for professional editing.
When someone writes something down, especially in the Ancient times.
It can be almost impossible to try to guess what that person was thinking and
what context they really mean. You know, go back and read something you wrote
as a kid or High school student and ask yourself. Do you really know what you were
talking about? I bet for older people it's much harder to do that than you think. Heck,
even writing text online sometimes people take what you write way out of context.
To say THIS is what they meant and THIS is what the language says. I personally think
you can learn English, understand the alphabet and you can understand structures of
sentences and on and on. However, you can't really understand what the person even
really meant when you attempt to read it. Sitchin may be wrong and he is definitely right.
It really depends. It is not a closed thing, also what is important to remember here is,
even if he isn't 100% right. Can you disagree Sitchin didn't get people interested in ancient
history? That could be so dry and as dusty as the sands in which they are buried if not for
his interpretations?
This is such a great video! I have indulged in the stupidity of Ancient Aliens a time or two in the past, and it can be somewhat entertaining for a while to watch, if you watch it with the understanding that all of it is pretty much junk science. AA has the same issues the creationist "scientists" have regarding starting with a conclusion, and searching for evidence to support your preconceived conclusion. The sad part is, I know there are people out there who watch this and go, "WOW!" And believe everything they say, despite it not making much sense when you think about it.
I also wanted to say that thumbnail you guys made was pretty funny. I'm not sure who is cuter in those hats, Dr. Josh or Megan! Hahaha. Take care guys.
Jackson Wheat rocks!
Josh, Megan has a lovely English accent. Not British though.
I know what you mean and would never normally be so pecious about this but you cn take it. Need it, I dare say.
Middle class, SE English. Yeah?
I could go further but not confidently.
No baggage attitude herebtw.
why don't you debate georgio tsukalos? He is sitchins apostle, and whack, i would love it.
Just maybe...
Love this correcting the errors of sitchins fantasies about the 12th planet
I resent the somewhat elitist idea that education is a prerequisite for knowing the limitations of your knowlege. Apart from that I enjoy your content (although I’m a little late to this exact party), and I concider your chanel a beacon of light in the dark swamp of anunnaki aliens and conspiracies that covers TH-cam.
Thank you for your comment :) I'm sorry that some of what we say comes across as elitist - that's definitely not the intention, and we have definitely had some of our assumptions challenged and addressed since we made this particular video. I am glad that, regardless of our poor phrasing, you find value in what we do :)
This is by far the worst presentation I’ve ever tried to watch. These children will grow up one day and possibly realize that they didn’t know a quarter of what they thought they knew.
You're adorable. Thanks for the comment!
You didn’t even provide a proper argument against any of their points
If I were the so-called History Channel directors, I would rather have you folks, Aron Ra, Richard Carrier and other people with good credentials and interesting presentations than the hacks and charlatans they now employ.
I completely understand your ethical reluctance to go further than your scholarship strictly permits. I might recommend that you look into Richard Carrier's use of Bayes' Theorem in his book, "Proving History." I'm not entirely comfortable with it, and he could be accused of taking it too far, but I was trained to be a historian and we were taught to use probabilities in judging historicity, and the Bayes' Theorem seems more scientific.
If the Sitchen and von Dummkopf fans persist in misusing If ➞ Then, the probabilistics of the theory could, and maybe should, be used to counter their spurious claims.
Someone asked about wether Sumerian has any relatives and you brought up the theories about Hungarian.
NO. Hungarian is not similar to Sumerian at all. The only thing I've seen them use to support the claim is sets of random words that look similar. They are quite hilarious really. They make every possible mistake imaginable, including mixing Sumerian and Akkadian words...
I'm studying Finno-Ugric linguistics with a special interest on historical linguistics and I know Hungarian to almost fluent level. Studied couple of courses in Sumerian and Akkadian, but these guys have clearly studied less than I have.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that Sumerian is related to Hungarian. I’ve heard it mentioned as a vague possibility, but everything I’ve ever been taught says that Sumerian is a language isolate ☺️
@@DigitalHammurabi Haha yeah I know you don't believe in that, but I just wanted to comment because someone else might get some fancy ideas...
I appreciate that! People definitely do get fancy ideas sometimes....
These people are sweet and Im sure very knowledgeable but Ive spent 41 min here and have received practically no real information. Just rambling and chit chat, stupid hats, cats, and a baby. Get to the goddam point!
We did get to the point - it's a livestream for us to have fun with our viewers. If you want something more serious, we have a whole channel full of academic lectures and interviews for you to choose from.
@@DigitalHammurabi
Some ppl are so rude & unappreciative
Sitchin = shuddering
Sitchin doesn't know what he is talking about
Well Sitchin translated earlier than anyone else, before the scholars were able to translate. Also, this video is pretty boring.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
This is so hard to watch!! So much time is spent on this mentioned rambling and this poor scientist gets put down in the very first sentence connected to the topic!
So, I'm out and obviously not subscribing!
You're more concerned with the number of subscribers that the topic and that's wrong.
Product placement and mentioning the payment; joke or not joke - was embarrassing! Bye, bye!
Sitchin was a grifter
Get to the point. At least the Christians preach what they believe openly. What's the point? An ancient culture existed and there's EVIDENCE. got it.
Soooo I assume you’re not a fan of history? Got it! This may not be the channel for you…
Also, I am a Christian ;)
@@DigitalHammurabi And apparently a wise one, that is at least a man of few words. So what's the angle? I (we) haven't got a lifetime to waste. I'm (we're) not getting paid by a university. Have mercy on us, man of God!
@@DigitalHammurabi And I forgot to thank you for your reply. Thank you! I feel special whenever the host gives me one! And it's not often.
Well, I’m a woman, for starters.
The video you’re commenting on is an unscripted, spontaneous conversation between my husband and I. It’s not supposed to be short and sweet - he has MS, and speaking off the cuff is hard for him. If you want something more consider then we have many videos that are scripted, which means fewer tangents.
Our angle is that we love the ancient Near East and have been lucky enough to have extensive graduate training in the area, and we want to share what we know with an interested audience who haven’t had the educational opportunities that we have had.
WAAAY too much self-involvement compared to the actual content.
I'm so sorry! How dare we have fun when celebrating reaching 1,000 subscribers, on an evening after a long day of work.
I didn't know 'kenthovinding' was a word in English but I immediately knew what it meant. 😁😁😁
I didn't know 'kenthovinding' was a word in English but I immediately knew what it meant. 😁😁😁