Testing traditional, modern and strong lofted irons - is it time to stop worrying about what number is on the bottom of the club? golfliberty.com SUBSCRIBE: / @golfliberty
Love it. I’ve always said you can call your 7 iron Fred and your 6 iron Nancy if you want. The labels on the bottom are just there to help you more easily distinguish one club from another within your set.
Well said Matt. It always boggles my mind when people say "but that's not really a 7 iron". Everyone swings differently and have different needs. As long as whatever loft irons they have helps them hit the distances they need with proper gapping, who cares? I never understand why some golfers like to criticize other people's equipment so much, just mind your own business people! I for one plays Cobra one length irons because I struggle with long irons sometimes and I like the idea of having the same set up/ball position for all irons. As an engineer, reducing variables is a sound idea and it has worked wonders for my game.
I regularly hit two clubs more than many guys I play around, despite being able to outdrive most of them. These dudes hitting PW 150 yards are baffling to me. I carry my stock 7 iron 150 yards, while other guys are hitting 9s and PW, wondering why my club is so high. Like idk man...my trajectories are comparable to your club choice, and I have perfect 10-12 yard gapping from gap wedge to my 2 driving iron. The thing is I get to hit a lot of full or 90% shots in the 80-100 yard range instead of having to dial back a lob wedge for a feel shot. The obsession with iron distance is silly.
@@martynzl I think what gets lost on launch monitor comparisons is that none of those numbers really matter unless it translates to more greens hit and better proximity. At the end of the day the important information is what your Strokes Gained Approach averages do from different yardages. I went from playing P790s (properly fit to me) to playing Mizuno MP-5 muscle back irons. I gained 3 strokes in approach stats due to how the dispersions changed. The final proof of if clubs are right for you is your approach stats. If you are average or above average for your HDCP in approach stats, then you’re playing the right clubs FOR YOU. If you’re struggling to hit the yardages you need, struggling missing left/right or can’t hold greens then PLEASE PLEASE look into playing clubs that will help you. Good is hard enough as it is, you don’t need to play equipment just because someone on the internet thinks your 7 iron is really a 5 iron. Or “you’re not good enough (or too good) to play” xyz clubs. Maximize your strokes gained approach stats, whatever irons do that for you is the right set for you.
We should just abolish the ridiculous meaningless numbers, if my 30 degree club has a 6 on it and your 30 degree club has a 7 on it, then what are we even trying to accomplish with the numbers, just put the degrees on clubs and then we can have objective conversations
This video is exactly where your channel (and your business / mission statement) is different from other “fitting” studios. Giving the proper advice to improve technique and present options with equipment if need be. Not pushing club sales. Great job Matt, keep killing it!
What was unintentionally explained, is how one length club logic works. By adjusting the loft and club head weighting an entire set of irons could have the same shaft length and attain the same results as variable length clubs. I play one length irons*. It’s a concept that began in the 80’s and because of technology is actually becoming a reality. I’m 55 and playing the best golf of my life because of one length irons. *Cobra Forged Tec One Lengths (3-PW) and a Cobra SnakeBite sand wedge
I play one-length irons, too. I like them a lot. I play 5h, 7-GW in one-length. I skip the 6i because it seems to go about the same distance as the 5h. I also have another regular-length GW to fill in a distance gap, and 56 and 60 deg regular wedges. The bag is a real mish mash, but I've got a club for every distance I want 👌 I play to a ~3 index.
@@MarkSmithhhh The PW and GW go a mile in the air, but I haven't found it too be much of a problem. I also have 3 other wedges that are regular length. Not sure if I'd want those to be one length.
@@anonymousfu Yeah from what i've seen about one length clubs i feel like the best thing would be to have any iron below like a 7i/6i to be the same length and leave the rest with their regular shaft lengths, that way you gain control on longer irons without sacrificing it on the wedges
Somehow found myself watching an old TXG ball test video last night and it was so cool to see you absorbing information from Ian on all of this stuff. Great video. Subscribed
Excellent video. As a 74 yo 15 handicap I really appreciate the extra loft and launch angle of my G430 irons. Not for everyone for sure but great for me. Keep it up with these videos. 👍
People are always suprised when I hit a 9 iron on a 130 yard shot, but I can hit my driver close to 300. I just learned that I hit my irons MUCH better if I dont swing as hard at them and just swing smooth, its made a MAJOR difference on my 7-pw accuracy and distance control. Don't let ego get in the way of playing your best game. Be the one to make others second guess their shot selection, but dont let it happen to you.
There are two take aways from the video for me. 1. Completely agree it does not matter what number is on the bottom of the club, it is how far you hit it and whether you can control the ball when it lands. Which leads me to my second point 2. The Ping irons show just how far power bat clubs have come in less than 10 years. I remember trying the Taylor Made M2 irons in 2016/17, it was impossible for me to stop a 7i on a green, it was flying around 160 yards and then running out another 20 yards. The 7i has slightly less loft than the 6i in my current set (i210s), carried about the same distance but with my current 6i I have total confidence that the ball will stop on the green. Look at the numbers for the i530s and G730s unless you are playing links courses or US open courses that ball is going to stop on the green - even with my rather average speed rather than Matt's
I've never had any problem getting backspin with my 7i and actually sometimes getting it to zip back on me. I play a 25 year old set of irons with worn out grooves, and learned the right attack on the ball to generate the right spin. I imagine that your new irons just fit your swing better, rather than any kind of difference in spin generation from the equipment itself.
@@johannesgutenberg5993 Your 25 year old set of irons almost certainly has very different lofts to modern irons. So your 7i probably has a loft of 34-36 degrees whereas in the M2 irons the loft was 29.5 and in my current i210s the loft is 33 degrees. Even with grooves that are fairly worn you need loft (and speed) to generate spin although I do agree that angle of attack is important
Great, informative video. Always learn a lot from your videos. The matching of golf ball with dynamic loft, swing speed, technique etc. is eye-opening and probably often overlooked by your average golfer
I have been telling this to people for years. Everyone always argues that it's just a knocked down loft but ball flight and trajectory window is all that matters. Thanks for addressing this.
Let’s get real. The manufacturers are doing it to win the distance battle in the simulator sessions or reviews on TH-cam. And the jacked lofts would be useless without some launch assistance. me personally I don’t want balls that launch into space. Wind can affect them too much, especially since they’re low spin.
I do not care about anything but the results of the ball on teh course. Of course the new game improvement super iron goes further than my old classic lofted iron, has nothing to do with tech, has to do with being lofted 2 clubs stronger. A 7 iron should go a 7 iron distance. Hell, I would love using that 8 iron g430 as a 7 iron. I mean I would have to due to the distance it carries. But for some reason distance became the seller. Now if you do not want blades, you get a 7 iron with 30 degrees of loft that will carry as far as your old 6 or 5. How about call that 8 a 7 and then look at the good stats. Decent angle steeper than my old 7, same spin rate as my old 7, same distance as my old 7. flies higher than my old 7, if that matters to you. Now your 7 lands and does not move. Why is that all bad selling stats, but distance is what matters? But hey, now I can tell everyone that I used my 9 iron on that 150 yard par 3 and feel like a real man instead of telling them I was using my 7 iron.
@@Power5 I fail to see how tech is not the issue when they can make a lower lofted iron fly higher, land similar and stop as quick as a higher lofted iron but go significantly further. As far as your statement that a "7 iron should go 7 iron distance". For who? For you, for Bryson, for your 5 year old child. What's the perfect distance for a 7 iron? What makes a 7 iron ,a 7 iron is that it goes one club further than your 8 and 1 club less than your 6. That's it. It's as simple as that. If it flies like a 7 iron it's a 7 iron. Thanks for watching.
@@paulkellygolf3671agreed, a 7 moves the ball further than your 8 and shorter than your 6… thats it. Its goal is to help you have the same swing with each. Club, while giving you the same predictable ball flight. Pretty simple, this video is no hidden gem.
@@paulkellygolf3671 So why call it a 7i? Was that due to the decent angle? Launch angle? Height? Carry? Total? Spin? is it length of shaft? How about those single length shaft sets.... It goes farther than an 8 and shorter than a 6. If you just subtract a number from each of the strong lofted clubs, you get the same gapping and similar distances to standard lofts. Get similar spin as standard lofts. Also get more height. Also get steeper descent. So why is a 5i lofted club called a 7i for game improvement clubs? Which stat are they using to classify it as a 7i?
Thanks Matt, very informative. This should help people when selecting clubs. Dave Peltz had a similar idea as he wrote in his book. Forget the number on the club, think of it as your distance club. My 9 iron is my 145 yard club, not a 9...and so on.
The best fitter is the person who can realistically make an intelligent gapping with clubs from let’s say wedges for your minimum and go as far as your driver’s distance as a max distance….then propose base on your swing path the equipment that will give you the best performance base on your min and max distances. I have not met such a fitter. Unfortunately most are sales rep. One of my fitting session was at TXG fall 2023 ….yes you got it Ian was on the verge of selling the business…..to Champion …..they sold me new shafts Accra…. All the club in 3 hours session after I drove MTL to TO ie) woke up at 4 AM and was out or the fitting session at 6 PM….you seriously think that was logical but the fitter insisted….these shafts improved my swing speed by 7 MPH….wow….but the next spring I sold the entire set for not much over the price for a driver…..the set + fitting cost + shafts….bottom line….trust yourself and your gut feeling’s and verify reputation from what you can see and hear.
Hogan started putting lofts on their irons rather than the number but people did not like it so they went back. My LH set of PTX irons have the lofts so I got used to saying, "I will hit my 34 degree" since club mapping for me was well known since I have a home sim. You are right, does not matter what number club you hit as long as you can reach the green and stop it as you want.
great video. i am going thru a swing change right now so this will help. i just realized a golf swing was a full body turn and not a baseball off the ground swing
Wow. Love your analysis. Very refreshing. I've been down that road before and discovered that I lose most of the game improvement features in just general confidence looking down at the club with the thick top lines and giant soles.
I would say the traditionalists would are not only interested in having less forgiving clubs, it's more about the dispersion front to back and the window they're trying to hit it through. As you said, spin is a great regulator of curvature and distance, and the worry with some new tech is that the spin gets harder to regulate, and the ability to consistently flight and carry a number also gets impacted.
I tested the Mizuno 245’s over and over again, trying to find a reason to keep my blades (MP-5’s). The 245’s are better in EVERY way, full stop. Left-right is better and so is front back dispersion. I haven’t experienced a single jumper from them that just went 15 yards longer for no reason and I can flight them down in the wind just fine. All the old, tired reason to not look beyond blades are dead. I mean, make the harder if you want, but any of the perceived advantages of blades are gone
@@TrevorDandy. Couldn't agree more, the front to back dispersion is really what I love about my T100Ss, best of both worlds imo, glad you found the same thing with your 245s.
@@TrevorDandy. I wish more people understood this. I keep hearing "if you play Blades you will be come a better player". What I don't understand is how all those high handicap, low skill, low hand eye cordinated golfers are going to get better by playing the hardest irons on the market. Years ago all there was was blades. Why did we still have 35 handicappers everywhere?
Bravo. Great to hear delivered loft finally as part of the conversation here. Average amateur can't deloft the club properly at impact and these lofts fix that. The lower CGs give them the height they need to make it perform. Players that don't have the time or put the time in to try and get really good should have clubs that help them. Makes it more enjoyable for everyone because it helps with pace of play if you don't have a 20 handicapper trying to play Blueprints.
I’m literally playing and learning by trial and error. I know what I want my ball to do but if it isn’t doing what I want it to, I start tinkering. Have my driver figured out. Launches like I want it to and has a decent amount of distance. Messed with head/shaft combos. Ball was launching to low. Switched balls and it’s right where I want it now. Got fitted for irons. Wanted distance and height. Switched shafts until I was at or above 50 degree landing angle and above 120 feet peak height. It’s been a process but it’s coming together
Very interesting regarding the landing angle all being the same. That essentially negates the fear of these stronger lofted Irons not holding the green. Works for me 👍
Hey Matt. Glad I found your channel. Have seen your videos before, but not your own channel. Always liked how you present your knowledge, and am greatful that you share.
People also really underestimate how much they’ll adjust to new clubs. You’ll figure out how to play whatever iron you pick. Based on its distance, height, spin etc.
Great video. Clubs are tools to get from point A to B. Everyone’s swing speed and swing is different so people have different distances due to those impacting efficiency. I compliment good shots. I don’t ask what club number they pulled. I know enough about club models and how they work to correlate that to the type of golfer. Not in a judgmental way, more of an informational way to see where people can be more efficient out there to see if there is something I can take onboard.
I think the angles are more important than the height. If you look at tour average trackman numbers (they published them a few years back), you can see that the average max height from wedge to driver hovers around 90 feet. The main trends have to do with launch angle, ball speed, and spin rate. It's a really cool subject that can get philosophical quick.
Yeps ... loft loft loft the determining factor. As this also affects smash factor which will be less with more loft. Thus speed is linked to loft. Awesome vid. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
This is actually a hell of a video. On a somewhat related topic, you always see comments about Brysons iron distance constantly criticizing his loft. People are forgetting that with his speed he has to make adjustments for height and gapping, would love to see a breakdown on that if possible
I have the blueprint s irons and yes they are less forgiving but it makes me less lazy and really grind to be a better ball striker. Great video Matt !
I look forward to one day seeing this kind of comparison where the same loft is compared. So to do that with these three models are as follows: Blueprint S: standard loft 7 iron i530: standard loft 8 iron G730: retro spec 8 iron
One thing that never gets mentioned with these less lofted "power clubs" is club length. When you can swing a 5 iron loft with a 7 iron shaft length, it makes it much easier to hit irons longer. Trying to time up and flush long irons is most people's kryptonite, so being able to play longer shots with shorter clubs makes it a compelling argument. I've been thinking for a couple of years now about having a mix of progressive and one-length irons as a combo set. PW - 7i are regular progressive lengths, then 6i, 5i and 4i all one length. The lofts may need to be adjusted to accommodate the shorter shafts, but it's a very intriguing idea, to me anyway.
@@GolfLiberty Lol of course! You mentioning it is what made me make the comment. The jacked lofts always get scoffed at, but nestling a ball up close to the pin from 200 yards out will shut people up real quick 😆
@@kileypaet8221 Nice, I liked that setup. Like Matt said, you just need a club that goes "a distance".. What it looks like, or how big/small it is, is irrelevant, as long as it goes x yards.
Fantastic content. It would be excellent if you made a video analyzing whether shaft length and club lie make a difference. I’m looking at ordering a new set of irons (Mizuno 240 series). I’m 6’2” 180 lbs with a Wrist to floor measurement of 37” (with shoes on). My current MP 30’s are 3/4” long and 2+ degrees upright. In a recent fitting the fitter kept me in a 2 degree upright lie with the Mizuno 243 7 iron, however, he moved me into a standard length shaft and said he wouldn’t go more than +1/4” shaft length shaft for me. This was a surprise to me, but I was hitting the ball well with a baby draw. My original assumptions on length and lie are now turned upside down and I’m in limbo. Now I need to do another club fitting, this time just focusing on club length and possibly lie angle. Also, the difference grip size makes would be an interesting video as well… standard up through Jumbomax XL. Cheers!
Correct, it does not matter what number is on the bottom, it matters what the distance goes. But that is what the numbers used to refer to. Sure lofts were always slightly different, but a 7 was a club that would spin a certain amount and carry a certain distance for a given club speed. Now on the tee box when someone asks what club you hit. You cannot just say, "I hit my 7." Now you gotta say, "well I hit my 7 but it is a classic lofted club. Since you are newer and do not hit as far you should club up one and hit your 6. But then again since you are playing game improvement distance clubs we may need to take 2 clubs off that so maybe hit your 8 iron. But I did not hit my 7 full, probably about a 75% swing, so lets take 12.5% off your swing and go with 80% 8 iron." Why even put a 7 on the bottom if it flys 6 iron distance? Put a 6 on it. Makes more sense than just telling everyone they need to now think of their 7 iron as their old 6 iron. Probably why when I tell my new golfer friend to hit his 6 on the same hole as my 7, he clears the green by a dozen yards.
the closure of this video is exactly what i've discovered in my golf journey. I'm a pretty good iron striker up until 5i, so all my irons from 60-6i are better player irons. for long irons and woods, I need all the help I can get; my 5i is replaced with driving iron with the same loft, and 22 degrees hybrid for 4i. I don't need 3i cause I cant hit that badboy so I skipped to 5w and then a driver. Oh, they are mixed bags as well. Callaway driver, Bridgestone 5w, Hybrid, dr iron, irons from Cobra, 60 and 52 degrees wedges are Cleveland, and 54 degrees wedge is Ping. I've spent 3 years building this bag, you know yourself best. Play whatever works for you.
Matt's right, the shorter, more controllable length of the club makes the greatest difference. I play Wilson D9s and I smoke my 7 iron (5 iron distance but with plenty of height) and I have such a good sense of confidence standing over the shot. Golf's meant to be fun right?
Great video Matt. Love the content. Is taking this video a step further one length irons or progressive iron sets for the person struggling with the longer irons? What’s your opinion on one length gapping? Would be interested to see it “proved” to work or not work. Not many “experts” believe in it but never seen it proved out why.
So I’m confused about why people do this game on their mind. I never had an issue hitting one club or another… I just learned how far I could hit each one +/- 5 yds and then learned to estimate the distances on the golf course to the point I could say I was X distance away from the pin and hit that club or combination of clubs to get there in the least strokes. Was I thinking wrong? I’ll be 68 next month and I’ve been playing that was since I was a kid. I’ve enjoyed being an 8 or less handicap golfer and playing with friends and challenging myself to get better and learn something each time I am out on the course. I am self taught, except for all the lessons that Jack, Tom, and Arnie gave me by watch what they did and emulating them.
Subscribing bc of this video. Very even analysis. I appreciate that he even explained why ball speed caused height in the power clubs. Most importantly, I like it when people explain patiently why the engineers of golf equipment do what they do, when it conflicts with the opinions of angry internet mobs. Because, at the end of the day, the engineers are almost always smarter than the peanut gallery.
My theory is that manufacturers are jacking lofts up, not because people are dumb enough to believe that club goes further for any reason other than loft, but because your average golfer adds loft at impact by flipping. Golfers with poor technique (i.e. your average golfer) need the 9 degrees of lower loft to counteract the 9+ of loft that they're adding at impact. This also explains the big, clunky soles on GI irons. If you're flipping, you're hitting it fat and thin more often than pure and need a chunky sole. These clubs are made for 25 caps who lie to themselves about being 15s.
They do it strictly because they're trying to sell clubs. They know if golfer A shows up and hits the new club 12 yards further they'll buy it. As a long time fitter I've yet to see an average golfer that hits the ball too high and needs less loft to negate it.
That doesn't make sense to me, because it's all relative, and if you're flipping a 35° 7i, then you're still going to flip a 35° 8i. The only thing that changed is the number on the bottom. I also find that SGI irons with fat soles don't help that much with fat shots. They help a little, if you've hit a few mm behind, then they'll skim the turf and glide into the ball, but to be honest, the turf interaction with SGI irons is so ass that it's almost impossible to get really good contact in firm conditions. I think the chunky soles are an artifact of the fact that they are putting a hybrid into the facsimile form factor of an iron.
@@johannesgutenberg5993 I mean ideally the ball is gone before your club strikes the turf so turf interactions really has nothing to do with performance it's simply feel except with wedges where you're often actually hitting behind the ball on purpose using the bounce on certain shots. But the wide sole is more a center of gravity thing than helping fat shots
I play a full set of taylormade stealth HD. I am playing the best i've played and shot 90 yesterday. Improving all the time now i've got irons I can hit!
A great comparison would be to hit these 3 clubs in the same loft. Even better would be to try to get the same dynamic loft since the shaft lengths are different. I bet that if you were to do this comparison in those conditions you wouldn't see much difference.
I wonder what ball data looks like at my CV slower swing speeds. Like, do you still get the height out of it to compensate for the lack of spin? And does a 7 iron even remain playable at a 5 iron loft?
Mark Crossfield has a similar video about his bag that he plays 2 pitching wedges or something like that 1 from the set he played and one from a game imprvement set because of thos exact reason
Is this moving down the route of one length clubs? When I listen to this I’m hearing they are a good fit for a lot of golfers. I have a second set which is one length and I’m growing more and more fond of them as I enter high single digit handicap
What material did you use for the simulator bay walls? Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I'm building a simulator and I love the clean look you have here.
The problem here is where are your gaps? If you're looking to hit wedges inside 120, you now have only a 9 and an 8 between 230 and 120 on that POWER club. I'm exaggerating a bit I guess, but realistically you don't want more than 15 yards between clubs, or your between club putts will be 25 to 40 feet long.
The thing is that it’s good enough at your swing speed. But if you have an average golfer with lower speed and a 7iron at 26,5, that player will probably not be able to hit the 6iron in that set. I just think the OEMs could find a more clever way to build golf clubs. A set of clubs that fills the gap between the highest lofted wedge and the driver with sensible distance gap between all clubs. I’m not sure that a 26,5 ˚ is the best solution.
I get what you’re saying Matt. But at one point there you did say it goes as high, or higher, than a traditionally lofted 7 iron, so therefore it’s a 7 iron. But what makes the height the be all and end all? One could argue that if it goes as far and spins the same as a 5 iron, then it’s a 5 iron (albeit with a shorter shaft)? My point here is, companies could’ve easily had the traditional 5 iron (for low flight), then a mid flight 5 iron and a high flight 5 iron. But no, they wanted to make people think they were hitting longer by calling it a 7 iron. They took the option that would sell more clubs (naturally, but also cynically). One final thing: at your speed the 26.5 degree lofted 7 iron does go higher and land steeply, but at a more “average” swing speed I bet it doesn’t fly higher than the traditionally lofted 7 iron, and certainly won’t land as steep. So yes,, YOU can get it to fly higher, but you’re not the target audience. You’re unlikely to play a 7 iron that goes 230+ yards!! So in reality, you smashing it higher is somewhat irrelevant, because in all likelihood it won’t perform that way in the hands of the golfers these companies are trying to target. So, yes, I do agree with you: use whatever works. All of which makes a good fitting even more important than it perhaps has ever been. Cheers
It may have 26.5 degrees loft(traditional 5 iron) however it has about an inch shorter shaft. Easier to hit and allows players to get more control out of a lower loft iron. It's less about distance and more about making lower lofted clubs easier to hit
Matt isn’t the target market for a 230 yd 7 iron. However, the folks losing distance as they age or due to some injury can stay in the game longer by maintaining their distances through technology. Just don’t think making application assessments from a super fast player of these type of irons is practically relevant. Not a knock on you. For Matt, absolutely they would be a no go. For a mid 60’s person losing speed, it may be a different story.
@@BrentNinedorf exactly my point. If it wasn’t Matt hitting these clubs, but someone of average speed, the stronger lofted versions wouldn’t go higher - they would fly much more like a 5 iron
@@cameronloveless1751 you are incorrect. I am a top Callaway fitter and I see huge gains every day. Ball speed is the biggest helper for height. If someone can increase ball speed their ball will go higher. That's basic physics. I see lots of examples where the new lower lofted irons launch lower but gain more height and land as soft as the higher launching, lower flying irons. I see it every day.
Couldn't agree more. Elaborate with all lofts between 7,5° to 62°, and don't bother what number it is underneath the club. No one should care about the amount of forgiveness that one plays. Just find your window, where you want to see your ball fly through, and look for a 5 mph difference in ball speed between each club and you're home.
This is the kind of video that will set this channel apart. The perfect combination of a 'lesson/club fit'. Cheers Matt
Imagine carrying a bag of all 7 irons. Then, when someone ask you what club you can always say 7 iron 😂
Give it a couple years we will have 7 irons with lofts from 21 to 35 degrees available
Basically a one length set.
@@edge21str more like a one number set 😂
Love it. I’ve always said you can call your 7 iron Fred and your 6 iron Nancy if you want. The labels on the bottom are just there to help you more easily distinguish one club from another within your set.
Exactly...like he said, it's a club that goes a distance
Well said Matt. It always boggles my mind when people say "but that's not really a 7 iron". Everyone swings differently and have different needs. As long as whatever loft irons they have helps them hit the distances they need with proper gapping, who cares? I never understand why some golfers like to criticize other people's equipment so much, just mind your own business people! I for one plays Cobra one length irons because I struggle with long irons sometimes and I like the idea of having the same set up/ball position for all irons. As an engineer, reducing variables is a sound idea and it has worked wonders for my game.
I regularly hit two clubs more than many guys I play around, despite being able to outdrive most of them. These dudes hitting PW 150 yards are baffling to me. I carry my stock 7 iron 150 yards, while other guys are hitting 9s and PW, wondering why my club is so high. Like idk man...my trajectories are comparable to your club choice, and I have perfect 10-12 yard gapping from gap wedge to my 2 driving iron. The thing is I get to hit a lot of full or 90% shots in the 80-100 yard range instead of having to dial back a lob wedge for a feel shot. The obsession with iron distance is silly.
@@martynzl I think what gets lost on launch monitor comparisons is that none of those numbers really matter unless it translates to more greens hit and better proximity. At the end of the day the important information is what your Strokes Gained Approach averages do from different yardages.
I went from playing P790s (properly fit to me) to playing Mizuno MP-5 muscle back irons. I gained 3 strokes in approach stats due to how the dispersions changed.
The final proof of if clubs are right for you is your approach stats. If you are average or above average for your HDCP in approach stats, then you’re playing the right clubs FOR YOU. If you’re struggling to hit the yardages you need, struggling missing left/right or can’t hold greens then PLEASE PLEASE look into playing clubs that will help you. Good is hard enough as it is, you don’t need to play equipment just because someone on the internet thinks your 7 iron is really a 5 iron. Or “you’re not good enough (or too good) to play” xyz clubs. Maximize your strokes gained approach stats, whatever irons do that for you is the right set for you.
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We should just abolish the ridiculous meaningless numbers, if my 30 degree club has a 6 on it and your 30 degree club has a 7 on it, then what are we even trying to accomplish with the numbers, just put the degrees on clubs and then we can have objective conversations
@@SirTylerGolfa simple identifier, have a conversation about the score card not the club being used for a particular shot
This video is exactly where your channel (and your business / mission statement) is different from other “fitting” studios. Giving the proper advice to improve technique and present options with equipment if need be. Not pushing club sales. Great job Matt, keep killing it!
the last part of the video is exactly what everyone needs to hear. Great video and especially great job with the explanation.
What was unintentionally explained, is how one length club logic works. By adjusting the loft and club head weighting an entire set of irons could have the same shaft length and attain the same results as variable length clubs.
I play one length irons*. It’s a concept that began in the 80’s and because of technology is actually becoming a reality. I’m 55 and playing the best golf of my life because of one length irons.
*Cobra Forged Tec One Lengths (3-PW) and a Cobra SnakeBite sand wedge
I play one-length irons, too. I like them a lot. I play 5h, 7-GW in one-length. I skip the 6i because it seems to go about the same distance as the 5h. I also have another regular-length GW to fill in a distance gap, and 56 and 60 deg regular wedges. The bag is a real mish mash, but I've got a club for every distance I want 👌 I play to a ~3 index.
Do you find you struggle with wedges and short iron tho?
@@MarkSmithhhhNope.
@@MarkSmithhhh The PW and GW go a mile in the air, but I haven't found it too be much of a problem. I also have 3 other wedges that are regular length. Not sure if I'd want those to be one length.
@@anonymousfu Yeah from what i've seen about one length clubs i feel like the best thing would be to have any iron below like a 7i/6i to be the same length and leave the rest with their regular shaft lengths, that way you gain control on longer irons without sacrificing it on the wedges
Somehow found myself watching an old TXG ball test video last night and it was so cool to see you absorbing information from Ian on all of this stuff. Great video. Subscribed
Excellent video. As a 74 yo 15 handicap I really appreciate the extra loft and launch angle of my G430 irons. Not for everyone for sure but great for me. Keep it up with these videos. 👍
People are always suprised when I hit a 9 iron on a 130 yard shot, but I can hit my driver close to 300. I just learned that I hit my irons MUCH better if I dont swing as hard at them and just swing smooth, its made a MAJOR difference on my 7-pw accuracy and distance control. Don't let ego get in the way of playing your best game. Be the one to make others second guess their shot selection, but dont let it happen to you.
Such a down to earth point of view on this whole topic. Great dive into something that deserves more conversation
Really really loved this video. Some excellent takeaways for the next time I get fit for irons. Your videos have been stellar, man- love to see it!
PREACH MATT! As long as gapping, etc. works out, it doesn't matter!
I'm surprised this content is allowed on TH-cam. This is absolute golf pornography!
Love it Matt.
There are two take aways from the video for me.
1. Completely agree it does not matter what number is on the bottom of the club, it is how far you hit it and whether you can control the ball when it lands. Which leads me to my second point
2. The Ping irons show just how far power bat clubs have come in less than 10 years. I remember trying the Taylor Made M2 irons in 2016/17, it was impossible for me to stop a 7i on a green, it was flying around 160 yards and then running out another 20 yards. The 7i has slightly less loft than the 6i in my current set (i210s), carried about the same distance but with my current 6i I have total confidence that the ball will stop on the green. Look at the numbers for the i530s and G730s unless you are playing links courses or US open courses that ball is going to stop on the green - even with my rather average speed rather than Matt's
I've never had any problem getting backspin with my 7i and actually sometimes getting it to zip back on me. I play a 25 year old set of irons with worn out grooves, and learned the right attack on the ball to generate the right spin. I imagine that your new irons just fit your swing better, rather than any kind of difference in spin generation from the equipment itself.
@@johannesgutenberg5993 Your 25 year old set of irons almost certainly has very different lofts to modern irons. So your 7i probably has a loft of 34-36 degrees whereas in the M2 irons the loft was 29.5 and in my current i210s the loft is 33 degrees. Even with grooves that are fairly worn you need loft (and speed) to generate spin although I do agree that angle of attack is important
Great, informative video. Always learn a lot from your videos. The matching of golf ball with dynamic loft, swing speed, technique etc. is eye-opening and probably often overlooked by your average golfer
Haircut looking fresh Matty! Your speed is unreal these days. Would love more videos about that gain, force plates and generation, etc.
I have been telling this to people for years. Everyone always argues that it's just a knocked down loft but ball flight and trajectory window is all that matters. Thanks for addressing this.
Let’s get real. The manufacturers are doing it to win the distance battle in the simulator sessions or reviews on TH-cam. And the jacked lofts would be useless without some launch assistance. me personally I don’t want balls that launch into space. Wind can affect them too much, especially since they’re low spin.
I do not care about anything but the results of the ball on teh course. Of course the new game improvement super iron goes further than my old classic lofted iron, has nothing to do with tech, has to do with being lofted 2 clubs stronger. A 7 iron should go a 7 iron distance. Hell, I would love using that 8 iron g430 as a 7 iron. I mean I would have to due to the distance it carries. But for some reason distance became the seller. Now if you do not want blades, you get a 7 iron with 30 degrees of loft that will carry as far as your old 6 or 5. How about call that 8 a 7 and then look at the good stats. Decent angle steeper than my old 7, same spin rate as my old 7, same distance as my old 7. flies higher than my old 7, if that matters to you. Now your 7 lands and does not move. Why is that all bad selling stats, but distance is what matters? But hey, now I can tell everyone that I used my 9 iron on that 150 yard par 3 and feel like a real man instead of telling them I was using my 7 iron.
@@Power5 I fail to see how tech is not the issue when they can make a lower lofted iron fly higher, land similar and stop as quick as a higher lofted iron but go significantly further. As far as your statement that a "7 iron should go 7 iron distance". For who? For you, for Bryson, for your 5 year old child. What's the perfect distance for a 7 iron? What makes a 7 iron ,a 7 iron is that it goes one club further than your 8 and 1 club less than your 6. That's it. It's as simple as that. If it flies like a 7 iron it's a 7 iron. Thanks for watching.
@@paulkellygolf3671agreed, a 7 moves the ball further than your 8 and shorter than your 6… thats it. Its goal is to help you have the same swing with each. Club, while giving you the same predictable ball flight. Pretty simple, this video is no hidden gem.
@@paulkellygolf3671 So why call it a 7i? Was that due to the decent angle? Launch angle? Height? Carry? Total? Spin? is it length of shaft? How about those single length shaft sets.... It goes farther than an 8 and shorter than a 6. If you just subtract a number from each of the strong lofted clubs, you get the same gapping and similar distances to standard lofts. Get similar spin as standard lofts. Also get more height. Also get steeper descent. So why is a 5i lofted club called a 7i for game improvement clubs? Which stat are they using to classify it as a 7i?
One of the best golf videos I've ever watched. Going to share with friends, great job Matt.
Thanks Matt, very informative. This should help people when selecting clubs. Dave Peltz had a similar idea as he wrote in his book. Forget the number on the club, think of it as your distance club. My 9 iron is my 145 yard club, not a 9...and so on.
The best fitter is the person who can realistically make an intelligent gapping with clubs from let’s say wedges for your minimum and go as far as your driver’s distance as a max distance….then propose base on your swing path the equipment that will give you the best performance base on your min and max distances.
I have not met such a fitter. Unfortunately most are sales rep. One of my fitting session was at TXG fall 2023 ….yes you got it Ian was on the verge of selling the business…..to Champion …..they sold me new shafts Accra…. All the club in 3 hours session after I drove MTL to TO ie) woke up at 4 AM and was out or the fitting session at 6 PM….you seriously think that was logical but the fitter insisted….these shafts improved my swing speed by 7 MPH….wow….but the next spring I sold the entire set for not much over the price for a driver…..the set + fitting cost + shafts….bottom line….trust yourself and your gut feeling’s and verify reputation from what you can see and hear.
Hogan started putting lofts on their irons rather than the number but people did not like it so they went back. My LH set of PTX irons have the lofts so I got used to saying, "I will hit my 34 degree" since club mapping for me was well known since I have a home sim. You are right, does not matter what number club you hit as long as you can reach the green and stop it as you want.
great video. i am going thru a swing change right now so this will help. i just realized a golf swing was a full body turn and not a baseball off the ground swing
Wow. Love your analysis. Very refreshing. I've been down that road before and discovered that I lose most of the game improvement features in just general confidence looking down at the club with the thick top lines and giant soles.
I would say the traditionalists would are not only interested in having less forgiving clubs, it's more about the dispersion front to back and the window they're trying to hit it through. As you said, spin is a great regulator of curvature and distance, and the worry with some new tech is that the spin gets harder to regulate, and the ability to consistently flight and carry a number also gets impacted.
I tested the Mizuno 245’s over and over again, trying to find a reason to keep my blades (MP-5’s). The 245’s are better in EVERY way, full stop. Left-right is better and so is front back dispersion. I haven’t experienced a single jumper from them that just went 15 yards longer for no reason and I can flight them down in the wind just fine. All the old, tired reason to not look beyond blades are dead. I mean, make the harder if you want, but any of the perceived advantages of blades are gone
@@TrevorDandy. Couldn't agree more, the front to back dispersion is really what I love about my T100Ss, best of both worlds imo, glad you found the same thing with your 245s.
@@TrevorDandy. I wish more people understood this. I keep hearing "if you play Blades you will be come a better player". What I don't understand is how all those high handicap, low skill, low hand eye cordinated golfers are going to get better by playing the hardest irons on the market. Years ago all there was was blades. Why did we still have 35 handicappers everywhere?
Bravo. Great to hear delivered loft finally as part of the conversation here. Average amateur can't deloft the club properly at impact and these lofts fix that. The lower CGs give them the height they need to make it perform. Players that don't have the time or put the time in to try and get really good should have clubs that help them. Makes it more enjoyable for everyone because it helps with pace of play if you don't have a 20 handicapper trying to play Blueprints.
I wanna visit your place. I love the tech side of golf, because I was in artillery in my youth. Great video!
Excellent insight - simple, clear, and very helpful next time a person is getting fitted for a new set
Finally someone said what everyone needs to hear. Wonderful video, just subscribed and will share.
Brilliant video helping regular people like me understand the benefits of playing the right club/loft/shaft
This is a great video and presents a well thought out point of view.
I’m literally playing and learning by trial and error. I know what I want my ball to do but if it isn’t doing what I want it to, I start tinkering. Have my driver figured out. Launches like I want it to and has a decent amount of distance. Messed with head/shaft combos. Ball was launching to low. Switched balls and it’s right where I want it now. Got fitted for irons. Wanted distance and height. Switched shafts until I was at or above 50 degree landing angle and above 120 feet peak height. It’s been a process but it’s coming together
Very well explained.
You are making some outstanding videos Matt. Love the questions you ask and how you answer them!
Very interesting regarding the landing angle all being the same. That essentially negates the fear of these stronger lofted Irons not holding the green. Works for me 👍
Hey Matt. Glad I found your channel. Have seen your videos before, but not your own channel. Always liked how you present your knowledge, and am greatful that you share.
Very interesting. Never seen quite this set of comparisons before and it's illuminating.
People also really underestimate how much they’ll adjust to new clubs. You’ll figure out how to play whatever iron you pick. Based on its distance, height, spin etc.
Great video. Clubs are tools to get from point A to B. Everyone’s swing speed and swing is different so people have different distances due to those impacting efficiency. I compliment good shots. I don’t ask what club number they pulled. I know enough about club models and how they work to correlate that to the type of golfer. Not in a judgmental way, more of an informational way to see where people can be more efficient out there to see if there is something I can take onboard.
I think the angles are more important than the height. If you look at tour average trackman numbers (they published them a few years back), you can see that the average max height from wedge to driver hovers around 90 feet. The main trends have to do with launch angle, ball speed, and spin rate. It's a really cool subject that can get philosophical quick.
Yeps ... loft loft loft the determining factor. As this also affects smash factor which will be less with more loft. Thus speed is linked to loft. Awesome vid. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
The pacing of this video is very good. Lots of info and testing in a compact timeframe. Club champion could benefit from this.
A seriously interesting bit of work, great content, thanks Matt.
This is actually a hell of a video.
On a somewhat related topic, you always see comments about Brysons iron distance constantly criticizing his loft. People are forgetting that with his speed he has to make adjustments for height and gapping, would love to see a breakdown on that if possible
I have the blueprint s irons and yes they are less forgiving but it makes me less lazy and really grind to be a better ball striker. Great video Matt !
I look forward to one day seeing this kind of comparison where the same loft is compared. So to do that with these three models are as follows:
Blueprint S: standard loft 7 iron
i530: standard loft 8 iron
G730: retro spec 8 iron
One thing that never gets mentioned with these less lofted "power clubs" is club length. When you can swing a 5 iron loft with a 7 iron shaft length, it makes it much easier to hit irons longer. Trying to time up and flush long irons is most people's kryptonite, so being able to play longer shots with shorter clubs makes it a compelling argument. I've been thinking for a couple of years now about having a mix of progressive and one-length irons as a combo set. PW - 7i are regular progressive lengths, then 6i, 5i and 4i all one length. The lofts may need to be adjusted to accommodate the shorter shafts, but it's a very intriguing idea, to me anyway.
assuming you mean something that doesn't get mentioned, except in a Golf Liberty video 😉
Do it. I have a set where all my wedges are 9 iron length. The 8&7 are progressive, then the 4&5 are 6iron length. Works great.
That is the concept DeChambeau used with the irons he used for The Masters this year.
@@GolfLiberty Lol of course! You mentioning it is what made me make the comment. The jacked lofts always get scoffed at, but nestling a ball up close to the pin from 200 yards out will shut people up real quick 😆
@@kileypaet8221 Nice, I liked that setup. Like Matt said, you just need a club that goes "a distance".. What it looks like, or how big/small it is, is irrelevant, as long as it goes x yards.
Love your work Matt... Great analysis. Been sucked into this issue. Have Dynpwr Irons. 6-GW, but actually 4 to PW Old School.....
Phenomenal discussion of this topic - clubs need to do what helps your game - who cares what else is going on
Randomly stumbled upon you on TH-cam. What a great video. I had to subscribe.
Great video and closing message
Great video! What would be the difference just getting clubs 1/2” to an 1” short for a similar effect? Would lie angles need to be adjusted?
lie angles and head weights
Spot on Matt! Great video!
This is a great video, and you have a great swing. I wish mine looked that good.
Fantastic content. It would be excellent if you made a video analyzing whether shaft length and club lie make a difference. I’m looking at ordering a new set of irons (Mizuno 240 series). I’m 6’2” 180 lbs with a Wrist to floor measurement of 37” (with shoes on). My current MP 30’s are 3/4” long and 2+ degrees upright. In a recent fitting the fitter kept me in a 2 degree upright lie with the Mizuno 243 7 iron, however, he moved me into a standard length shaft and said he wouldn’t go more than +1/4” shaft length shaft for me. This was a surprise to me, but I was hitting the ball well with a baby draw. My original assumptions on length and lie are now turned upside down and I’m in limbo. Now I need to do another club fitting, this time just focusing on club length and possibly lie angle. Also, the difference grip size makes would be an interesting video as well… standard up through Jumbomax XL. Cheers!
I like what you’re doing with the Golf Liberty channel! Great video! Keep it rolling! 👍
Correct, it does not matter what number is on the bottom, it matters what the distance goes. But that is what the numbers used to refer to. Sure lofts were always slightly different, but a 7 was a club that would spin a certain amount and carry a certain distance for a given club speed. Now on the tee box when someone asks what club you hit. You cannot just say, "I hit my 7." Now you gotta say, "well I hit my 7 but it is a classic lofted club. Since you are newer and do not hit as far you should club up one and hit your 6. But then again since you are playing game improvement distance clubs we may need to take 2 clubs off that so maybe hit your 8 iron. But I did not hit my 7 full, probably about a 75% swing, so lets take 12.5% off your swing and go with 80% 8 iron."
Why even put a 7 on the bottom if it flys 6 iron distance? Put a 6 on it. Makes more sense than just telling everyone they need to now think of their 7 iron as their old 6 iron. Probably why when I tell my new golfer friend to hit his 6 on the same hole as my 7, he clears the green by a dozen yards.
the closure of this video is exactly what i've discovered in my golf journey. I'm a pretty good iron striker up until 5i, so all my irons from 60-6i are better player irons. for long irons and woods, I need all the help I can get; my 5i is replaced with driving iron with the same loft, and 22 degrees hybrid for 4i. I don't need 3i cause I cant hit that badboy so I skipped to 5w and then a driver. Oh, they are mixed bags as well. Callaway driver, Bridgestone 5w, Hybrid, dr iron, irons from Cobra, 60 and 52 degrees wedges are Cleveland, and 54 degrees wedge is Ping. I've spent 3 years building this bag, you know yourself best. Play whatever works for you.
Matt's right, the shorter, more controllable length of the club makes the greatest difference. I play Wilson D9s and I smoke my 7 iron (5 iron distance but with plenty of height) and I have such a good sense of confidence standing over the shot. Golf's meant to be fun right?
Swing is looking so great lately
Highly informative, thank you
This video is incredible. Great stuff Matt
Great video Matt. Love the content. Is taking this video a step further one length irons or progressive iron sets for the person struggling with the longer irons? What’s your opinion on one length gapping? Would be interested to see it “proved” to work or not work. Not many “experts” believe in it but never seen it proved out why.
I'm more interested in the concept now after this video, or at least one length past the 8 iron potentially
Matt i havnt watched your videos in awhile but looks like your swing is alot more solid
So I’m confused about why people do this game on their mind. I never had an issue hitting one club or another… I just learned how far I could hit each one +/- 5 yds and then learned to estimate the distances on the golf course to the point I could say I was X distance away from the pin and hit that club or combination of clubs to get there in the least strokes. Was I thinking wrong? I’ll be 68 next month and I’ve been playing that was since I was a kid. I’ve enjoyed being an 8 or less handicap golfer and playing with friends and challenging myself to get better and learn something each time I am out on the course. I am self taught, except for all the lessons that Jack, Tom, and Arnie gave me by watch what they did and emulating them.
Bottom line. Buy what you like. You adapt to the club you use and have confidence in.
Subscribed, great content and quality data.
Subscribing bc of this video. Very even analysis. I appreciate that he even explained why ball speed caused height in the power clubs.
Most importantly, I like it when people explain patiently why the engineers of golf equipment do what they do, when it conflicts with the opinions of angry internet mobs. Because, at the end of the day, the engineers are almost always smarter than the peanut gallery.
My theory is that manufacturers are jacking lofts up, not because people are dumb enough to believe that club goes further for any reason other than loft, but because your average golfer adds loft at impact by flipping. Golfers with poor technique (i.e. your average golfer) need the 9 degrees of lower loft to counteract the 9+ of loft that they're adding at impact. This also explains the big, clunky soles on GI irons. If you're flipping, you're hitting it fat and thin more often than pure and need a chunky sole. These clubs are made for 25 caps who lie to themselves about being 15s.
They do it strictly because they're trying to sell clubs. They know if golfer A shows up and hits the new club 12 yards further they'll buy it. As a long time fitter I've yet to see an average golfer that hits the ball too high and needs less loft to negate it.
LOFT is a acronym
L -ack
O-f
F-rigging
T-alent
i.e. the more loft the easier it is ti hit
That's how you sell clubs to high handicappers
That doesn't make sense to me, because it's all relative, and if you're flipping a 35° 7i, then you're still going to flip a 35° 8i. The only thing that changed is the number on the bottom.
I also find that SGI irons with fat soles don't help that much with fat shots. They help a little, if you've hit a few mm behind, then they'll skim the turf and glide into the ball, but to be honest, the turf interaction with SGI irons is so ass that it's almost impossible to get really good contact in firm conditions.
I think the chunky soles are an artifact of the fact that they are putting a hybrid into the facsimile form factor of an iron.
@@johannesgutenberg5993 I mean ideally the ball is gone before your club strikes the turf so turf interactions really has nothing to do with performance it's simply feel except with wedges where you're often actually hitting behind the ball on purpose using the bounce on certain shots. But the wide sole is more a center of gravity thing than helping fat shots
@@migelikali7265 Loft has nothing to do with how easy a club is to hit.
Love this format.
I play a full set of taylormade stealth HD.
I am playing the best i've played and shot 90 yesterday. Improving all the time now i've got irons I can hit!
Love this. Great video. Thank you👏🏾👍🏾✊🏾
A great comparison would be to hit these 3 clubs in the same loft. Even better would be to try to get the same dynamic loft since the shaft lengths are different. I bet that if you were to do this comparison in those conditions you wouldn't see much difference.
Matt, your swing's looking great.
Excellent explanation!
I wonder what ball data looks like at my CV slower swing speeds. Like, do you still get the height out of it to compensate for the lack of spin? And does a 7 iron even remain playable at a 5 iron loft?
Mark Crossfield has a similar video about his bag that he plays 2 pitching wedges or something like that 1 from the set he played and one from a game imprvement set because of thos exact reason
But you are probably going to need to carry 2 gap wedges if you want to take full swings on approach.
Great advice!
Is this moving down the route of one length clubs? When I listen to this I’m hearing they are a good fit for a lot of golfers. I have a second set which is one length and I’m growing more and more fond of them as I enter high single digit handicap
What material did you use for the simulator bay walls? Any info you can provide would be greatly appreciated. I'm building a simulator and I love the clean look you have here.
Wouldnt the increased backspin make the balls rise more due to the magnus effect? or is it negligible compared to the launch speed?
From the rough you want to avoid flyers. So traditional loft are way more predictable.
Now all I need is some lessons with you to find out if the clubs I got second hand are right for me or do I need a club change
The problem here is where are your gaps? If you're looking to hit wedges inside 120, you now have only a 9 and an 8 between 230 and 120 on that POWER club. I'm exaggerating a bit I guess, but realistically you don't want more than 15 yards between clubs, or your between club putts will be 25 to 40 feet long.
The thing is that it’s good enough at your swing speed. But if you have an average golfer with lower speed and a 7iron at 26,5, that player will probably not be able to hit the 6iron in that set. I just think the OEMs could find a more clever way to build golf clubs. A set of clubs that fills the gap between the highest lofted wedge and the driver with sensible distance gap between all clubs. I’m not sure that a 26,5 ˚ is the best solution.
I love that sentence...all it is is "a club that carries a distance"...period
I find the problem with the game improvement jacked loft clubs for me is the front and back dispersion is terrible.
How would each compare to your 7/6/5 irons of your own set? Peak height/distance/spin?
I am more surprised at the gapping of new GI clubs with as much as five degrees of difference from pitching wedge to nine iron ect
I don’t want irons that fly to the moon though. They don’t make it fun playing on windy days.
Intro was great!
Excellent info as usual!
@matt great one
To complement what you said regarding going i530 with shorter shafts, why not go the full way and go one length from 7i and up?
something I'd like to test for sure
Hey Matt just wondering how accurate do you find the carry yardages on foresight to be vs in real life with all clubs?
very accurate
Would you recommend three 7 irons for those that struggle with longer clubs? Presuming they take the club help option.
I get what you’re saying Matt. But at one point there you did say it goes as high, or higher, than a traditionally lofted 7 iron, so therefore it’s a 7 iron. But what makes the height the be all and end all? One could argue that if it goes as far and spins the same as a 5 iron, then it’s a 5 iron (albeit with a shorter shaft)? My point here is, companies could’ve easily had the traditional 5 iron (for low flight), then a mid flight 5 iron and a high flight 5 iron. But no, they wanted to make people think they were hitting longer by calling it a 7 iron. They took the option that would sell more clubs (naturally, but also cynically).
One final thing: at your speed the 26.5 degree lofted 7 iron does go higher and land steeply, but at a more “average” swing speed I bet it doesn’t fly higher than the traditionally lofted 7 iron, and certainly won’t land as steep. So yes,, YOU can get it to fly higher, but you’re not the target audience. You’re unlikely to play a 7 iron that goes 230+ yards!! So in reality, you smashing it higher is somewhat irrelevant, because in all likelihood it won’t perform that way in the hands of the golfers these companies are trying to target. So, yes, I do agree with you: use whatever works. All of which makes a good fitting even more important than it perhaps has ever been.
Cheers
It may have 26.5 degrees loft(traditional 5 iron) however it has about an inch shorter shaft. Easier to hit and allows players to get more control out of a lower loft iron. It's less about distance and more about making lower lofted clubs easier to hit
Matt isn’t the target market for a 230 yd 7 iron. However, the folks losing distance as they age or due to some injury can stay in the game longer by maintaining their distances through technology. Just don’t think making application assessments from a super fast player of these type of irons is practically relevant. Not a knock on you. For Matt, absolutely they would be a no go. For a mid 60’s person losing speed, it may be a different story.
@@loganjensen9983 sure, agree with all that - so call it a short shafted 5 iron
@@BrentNinedorf exactly my point. If it wasn’t Matt hitting these clubs, but someone of average speed, the stronger lofted versions wouldn’t go higher - they would fly much more like a 5 iron
@@cameronloveless1751 you are incorrect. I am a top Callaway fitter and I see huge gains every day. Ball speed is the biggest helper for height. If someone can increase ball speed their ball will go higher. That's basic physics. I see lots of examples where the new lower lofted irons launch lower but gain more height and land as soft as the higher launching, lower flying irons. I see it every day.
Couldn't agree more. Elaborate with all lofts between 7,5° to 62°, and don't bother what number it is underneath the club. No one should care about the amount of forgiveness that one plays. Just find your window, where you want to see your ball fly through, and look for a 5 mph difference in ball speed between each club and you're home.
Plus - this channel deserves at least 10 times more subs
Glad I found you channel ! 👍
Excellent video!