The comment at 16:05 that Australian units did not get involved on the Western Front until August 1916 is incorrect. The disastrous battle of Fromelles which crippled the Fifth Australian division took place on the 19-20 July. The Australian War Memorial notes: "The high ground at Pozières was an essential advantage, and a place from which further attacks could be launched. The 1st Division was the first to go into the battle, and did so on 23 July 1916. There the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Australian divisions wrested a small, devastated area from the enemy, but at a staggering cost. Over 42 days the Australians made as many as 19 attacks against the German positions. The final casualties totalled an appalling 23,000 men killed, wounded, or taken prisoner. The losses sustained throughout that exhausting period were almost unsustainable for a volunteer army."
My grand father was a regular in Aug 1914. He served in the 29th LF's at Gallipoli. Survived it and, for his sins, got moved to a 'quiet sector' ... on the Somme in May 1916. Survived July 1st too.
A great uncle of mine was an original ANZAC. Survived to be sent to the Western Front, but too late for 1 July. Was later gassed and died relatively young in his sixties. I remember meeting him as a youngster.
I have a piece of the copper from hellespont lighthouse dome turned into a 'platter'?It looks like it was built in field.It has the name,rank,battery,division of creator and description of action involving HMS Prince of wales and HMS London,and where the copper came from.Even has Crescent and star on 'handles'.Its about 40cm long,22 wide oval with a lot of decoration.If interested i could give better description.
ANZAC cove was wrecked for a 90th anniversary ceremony. There is no open space at the cove so ceremonies are held 'around the corner' at North Beach. It was decided to put a road in so buses could get there. So a scar was cut across the face of the slopes up which the ANZACS advanced under fire on April 25, and the spoil dumped on the narrow beach. Later a sea wall was built to prevent further erosion. The dawn service at North beach is telecast every April 25, and commentators will reliably say, 'Here we are at ANZAC Cove'. Nope. I have visited the battlefields on thw western front where my relatives fought. I don't intend to go to Gallipoli where my great uncle was. It would make me sad and angry to see the destruction.
Hey, Tubby! The Australian and New Zealand Army Corps is just that; m8; Australia and New Zealand. Not just the Australia, although to listen to Australians you might think so. So yeah, don't be insulting.
Without the Dardanelles, T.E. Lawrence would have been unlikely to succeed. Galipoli WAS successful in delivering unrecoverable blows to the Ottaman army and the Ottoman economy. It essentially defeated the 500 year Ottoman empire. Lawrence was mopping up. In My Humble Opinion.
` I've heard that argument before, though not to the point of "Lawrence was mopping up" -- quite sociopolitically complex for a clean-up, IMHO. ^_^ Didn't it cause a retention of Ottoman ground force reserves on the coast or somesuch? That's kind of what the Doolittle Raid on Japan accomplished, but with rather less damage to the defenders, so Gallipoli does have a leg up in that regard.
The comment at 16:05 that Australian units did not get involved on the Western Front until August 1916 is incorrect. The disastrous battle of Fromelles which crippled the Fifth Australian division took place on the 19-20 July.
The Australian War Memorial notes:
"The high ground at Pozières was an essential advantage, and a place from which further attacks could be launched. The 1st Division was the first to go into the battle, and did so on 23 July 1916.
There the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Australian divisions wrested a small, devastated area from the enemy, but at a staggering cost. Over 42 days the Australians made as many as 19 attacks against the German positions. The final casualties totalled an appalling 23,000 men killed, wounded, or taken prisoner. The losses sustained throughout that exhausting period were almost unsustainable for a volunteer army."
My grand father was a regular in Aug 1914. He served in the 29th LF's at Gallipoli. Survived it and, for his sins, got moved to a 'quiet sector' ... on the Somme in May 1916. Survived July 1st too.
A great uncle of mine was an original ANZAC. Survived to be sent to the Western Front, but too late for 1 July. Was later gassed and died relatively young in his sixties. I remember meeting him as a youngster.
I have a piece of the copper from hellespont lighthouse dome turned into a 'platter'?It looks like it was built in field.It has the name,rank,battery,division of creator and description of action involving HMS Prince of wales and HMS London,and where the copper came from.Even has Crescent and star on 'handles'.Its about 40cm long,22 wide oval with a lot of decoration.If interested i could give better description.
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The picture showing a Digger carrying a Digger is posed.
ANZAC cove was wrecked for a 90th anniversary ceremony. There is no open space at the cove so ceremonies are held 'around the corner' at North Beach. It was decided to put a road in so buses could get there. So a scar was cut across the face of the slopes up which the ANZACS advanced under fire on April 25, and the spoil dumped on the narrow beach. Later a sea wall was built to prevent further erosion.
The dawn service at North beach is telecast every April 25, and commentators will reliably say, 'Here we are at ANZAC Cove'. Nope.
I have visited the battlefields on thw western front where my relatives fought. I don't intend to go to Gallipoli where my great uncle was. It would make me sad and angry to see the destruction.
Once again no mention of the c1,500 British casualties at Fromelles.
Hey, Tubby! The Australian and New Zealand Army Corps is just that; m8; Australia and New Zealand. Not just the Australia, although to listen to Australians you might think so. So yeah, don't be insulting.
Without the Dardanelles,
T.E. Lawrence would have been unlikely to succeed.
Galipoli WAS successful in delivering unrecoverable blows to the Ottaman army and the Ottoman economy. It essentially defeated the 500 year Ottoman empire.
Lawrence was mopping up.
In My Humble Opinion.
` I've heard that argument before, though not to the point of "Lawrence was mopping up" -- quite sociopolitically complex for a clean-up, IMHO. ^_^ Didn't it cause a retention of Ottoman ground force reserves on the coast or somesuch? That's kind of what the Doolittle Raid on Japan accomplished, but with rather less damage to the defenders, so Gallipoli does have a leg up in that regard.
Jonnesalex. Just like the Australians were in SE Asia WW2 a mopping up army as ordered by MacArthur.