15 mins in raises a point I never see, which is that it actually kinda sucks for the average kid going to DIDNEYWORL with his family - unless my experience from two decades ago is completely different from the average today. Even back then the logistics and stress of a Disneyland visit easily canceled out any potential "fun" to be had. All the driving, parents being assholes because theyre stressing out about prices, waiting all the time, slovenly fat people everywhere (that's all of America now, let us be fair), hostile employees who don't want to be there either, etc. I did have fun, but it was mostly the kind of retrospective fun that my brothers, sister, and I made along the way to the ostensibly "fun" attractions wherein we would wait 30-45 mins at minimum in line. And yeah, they're not even shills - they're just mode Americans, temporarily-embarrassed billionaires, denizens of the country-sized insane asylum. They don't - can't, really - understand that they're not making Disney movies for nostalgia-addled millennial and gen-X males - they're making this slop for their replacements, as Moike has said. I'm sort of glad my keyd isn't really into Disney movies aside from A Bug's Life, Toy Story, and a couple of the other early Pixar/90s CGI works. She also loves the Amazing Digital Circus, which I am not sure what to think about. I know who and what the creator is, and that is what led us to restrict her from accessing TH-cam at all except on the TV with supervision - this on account of all the "fan-made" stuff out there that's frankly disturbing.
When I was a kid visiting Disney World for the first time, some of my most memorable experiences were going on rides not based off of any pre-existing IPs. I really liked not knowing what to expect and feeling like I discovered something. Maelstrom was one of those experiences. It wasn't one of my favorite rides, but it was unique and memorable. Spaceship Earth may have been boring for other 9-year-olds, but I found it really interesting because my dad was a big history buff and that rubbed off on me, and I only appreciate the ride even more now looking back on it as an adult. It's disheartening that Disney isn't making these types of artistic or experimental experiences anymore. But if Disney is only going to make rides based off of IPs from now on, then fine, but I still have grievances with the franchises they're picking, and where they're placing them. I mean, Cars Land is going right between Tiana's Bayou Adventure and the Haunted Mansion? What?? IPs and good theming can go hand-in-hand, but not if you just thoughtlessly slap recognizable characters everywhere and expect people to be satisfied with that, even when their proximity to each other has no cohesion whatsoever. Careful thought needs to be put into land theming. And like you said, Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, and Avatar are getting preferential treatment. And while I like (some of) those, when I think of Disney, I think of Disney animation, yet those are the films that are getting shafted the most - except for the most recent ones - and especially Frozen, which is still everywhere. But Disney has a huge library of older beloved films that they're just not using. The Disney Renaissance films released a little bit before my time, but I still grew up with them, and I find it baffling how little ride representation they've gotten. It's downright bizarre that Zootopia got a ride (in Shanghai) before The Lion King did. I can't imagine why Disney doesn't want to give the Renaissance more attention; they're some of their most iconic and beloved films - I think it's their greatest animation era to this day - yet The Little Mermaid didn't get a ride until the 2010s, and Beauty and the Beast didn't get one until the 2020s (in Tokyo). It's so odd. And if we're only looking at the US Disney parks, then Mermaid is still the only one with a ride. I've wanted E-ticket Lion King and Aladdin rides forever and I can't believe they still don't exist. Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, Hunchback - they all may as well not exist at all as far as the parks are concerned. Even Lilo and Stitch (which I know, was after the Renaissance) still doesn't have a ride yet, despite Stitch being one of their most marketable characters. I just don't understand it. I like Pixar, but I'm so tired of seeing Pixar plastered absolutely everywhere while the Disney Renaissance continues to get shafted.
yeah i agree about them needing to do more original comcepts and fewer sequels. It gets annoying/exhausting to never have anything new from disney. And that line about Iger and Disney, theme park vs amusement park, hit hard.
What's equally frustrating is that there are occasions when I could stomach a bit of IP placement. For example, the new Indiana Jones attraction coming to AK should be Emperor's New Groove, which is about a character who gets turned into an animal in a setting of Mesoamerica whose main set piece is a palace with a built in roller coaster... It's just all so tiresome.
I remember going on the Norway ride at Epcot as a kid and being fascinated by it. I think it’s what kindled my lifelong interest in Nordic cultures. I wonder…is the new attraction really a great replacement? RIP Norway ride.😢
Do yourself, pal, and get a life. Disney may have made questionable decisions over the years, but I still love them for what they do and what they've always done. As an autistic, Disney has really helped me navigate my way in the world. They got me through lockdown. They taught me to be optimistic. And because of all that, I owe them a debt that can never be repaid. And I know they will continue to inspire millions long after I'm gone
Oh come on. If Snow White fails, that'll be the second remake to bomb after Little Mermaid. They'll have to cancel all the other remakes then, because there'd be no point
15 mins in raises a point I never see, which is that it actually kinda sucks for the average kid going to DIDNEYWORL with his family - unless my experience from two decades ago is completely different from the average today. Even back then the logistics and stress of a Disneyland visit easily canceled out any potential "fun" to be had. All the driving, parents being assholes because theyre stressing out about prices, waiting all the time, slovenly fat people everywhere (that's all of America now, let us be fair), hostile employees who don't want to be there either, etc. I did have fun, but it was mostly the kind of retrospective fun that my brothers, sister, and I made along the way to the ostensibly "fun" attractions wherein we would wait 30-45 mins at minimum in line.
And yeah, they're not even shills - they're just mode Americans, temporarily-embarrassed billionaires, denizens of the country-sized insane asylum. They don't - can't, really - understand that they're not making Disney movies for nostalgia-addled millennial and gen-X males - they're making this slop for their replacements, as Moike has said.
I'm sort of glad my keyd isn't really into Disney movies aside from A Bug's Life, Toy Story, and a couple of the other early Pixar/90s CGI works. She also loves the Amazing Digital Circus, which I am not sure what to think about. I know who and what the creator is, and that is what led us to restrict her from accessing TH-cam at all except on the TV with supervision - this on account of all the "fan-made" stuff out there that's frankly disturbing.
When I was a kid visiting Disney World for the first time, some of my most memorable experiences were going on rides not based off of any pre-existing IPs. I really liked not knowing what to expect and feeling like I discovered something. Maelstrom was one of those experiences. It wasn't one of my favorite rides, but it was unique and memorable. Spaceship Earth may have been boring for other 9-year-olds, but I found it really interesting because my dad was a big history buff and that rubbed off on me, and I only appreciate the ride even more now looking back on it as an adult. It's disheartening that Disney isn't making these types of artistic or experimental experiences anymore.
But if Disney is only going to make rides based off of IPs from now on, then fine, but I still have grievances with the franchises they're picking, and where they're placing them. I mean, Cars Land is going right between Tiana's Bayou Adventure and the Haunted Mansion? What?? IPs and good theming can go hand-in-hand, but not if you just thoughtlessly slap recognizable characters everywhere and expect people to be satisfied with that, even when their proximity to each other has no cohesion whatsoever. Careful thought needs to be put into land theming. And like you said, Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, and Avatar are getting preferential treatment. And while I like (some of) those, when I think of Disney, I think of Disney animation, yet those are the films that are getting shafted the most - except for the most recent ones - and especially Frozen, which is still everywhere. But Disney has a huge library of older beloved films that they're just not using.
The Disney Renaissance films released a little bit before my time, but I still grew up with them, and I find it baffling how little ride representation they've gotten. It's downright bizarre that Zootopia got a ride (in Shanghai) before The Lion King did. I can't imagine why Disney doesn't want to give the Renaissance more attention; they're some of their most iconic and beloved films - I think it's their greatest animation era to this day - yet The Little Mermaid didn't get a ride until the 2010s, and Beauty and the Beast didn't get one until the 2020s (in Tokyo). It's so odd. And if we're only looking at the US Disney parks, then Mermaid is still the only one with a ride.
I've wanted E-ticket Lion King and Aladdin rides forever and I can't believe they still don't exist. Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, Hunchback - they all may as well not exist at all as far as the parks are concerned. Even Lilo and Stitch (which I know, was after the Renaissance) still doesn't have a ride yet, despite Stitch being one of their most marketable characters. I just don't understand it. I like Pixar, but I'm so tired of seeing Pixar plastered absolutely everywhere while the Disney Renaissance continues to get shafted.
Great points all around!
yeah i agree about them needing to do more original comcepts and fewer sequels. It gets annoying/exhausting to never have anything new from disney. And that line about Iger and Disney, theme park vs amusement park, hit hard.
What's equally frustrating is that there are occasions when I could stomach a bit of IP placement.
For example, the new Indiana Jones attraction coming to AK should be Emperor's New Groove, which is about a character who gets turned into an animal in a setting of Mesoamerica whose main set piece is a palace with a built in roller coaster...
It's just all so tiresome.
I remember going on the Norway ride at Epcot as a kid and being fascinated by it. I think it’s what kindled my lifelong interest in Nordic cultures. I wonder…is the new attraction really a great replacement?
RIP Norway ride.😢
@@HallowedHalls What's worse, it uses projection faces.
Good to see you brother. The struggle continues.
@@VagrantDrifter "Everyday I'm Strugglin'." - LMFAO
Somebody within these companies has to be noticing they're talking about nothing but sequels and reboots and remakes. What the fuck man
@@NinjaRafter I'm sure Iger makes sure to hire people who don't care.
I'm so sick of beating the deaf horse on old IP. Give us something new
@@tylerdunn5258 Or at the very least, something never considered before.
I don't know about you, but after this D23, I was pretty much 'yeah fuck this' .. Universal, what's up?
You must be very wholesome
Which part of Universal are you most interested in?
I bet you are fun at parties. 🙄
dios mio...
@@Jonathanest90s I am, actually.
Do yourself, pal, and get a life. Disney may have made questionable decisions over the years, but I still love them for what they do and what they've always done. As an autistic, Disney has really helped me navigate my way in the world. They got me through lockdown. They taught me to be optimistic. And because of all that, I owe them a debt that can never be repaid. And I know they will continue to inspire millions long after I'm gone
No.
If that's the way you want it, fine. More magic for me
Here's how I see it: If Snow White succeeds, Disney will prove all those haters wrong, again. If it fails, no more remakes. Either way, it's a win win
What makes you think they'll stop if Snow White fails?
Oh come on. If Snow White fails, that'll be the second remake to bomb after Little Mermaid. They'll have to cancel all the other remakes then, because there'd be no point