My Hercules was around for 15 years KKL1a East German DDR and Czech Border Guard - purchased from an LAPD K9 officers personal stock. He was our protector and family member.
@the_Essa_guy No it ain't you can look and tell these so call panda German Shepherds are mix with Australian shepherd And siberian husky And Border collie and Blue Healer. something I cannot name right now but I know these so call panda German Shepherds are mixed.
@ thats why i said their from BACKYARD breeders wich do that, do a few google searches if you dont believe me. its what their called, backyard breeders do not take the proper care in genetics wich also means they do imbreeding, and more, as well as mixes. Example: a golden retriever and a pug for a example. Its also illegal in many places because of it. Breeders and backyard breeders are two different things, and mixes still eventually become breeds, such as golden doodles often being part poodle and part lab/golden
I own a 2 years old West German Working line sable GSD. You can choose to work him, or he will choose for you. But either way he is going to get worked. Think Malinois drive in a 95lb body
You had me untill the “straight back” and “sloped back” comments, all German shepherd breed standards call for a straight back. All German shepherds are also susceptible to hip dysplasia. Finally, Panda German shepherds are out of standard and most (close to all) breeders producing them are backyard breeders.
The German Shepherd breed standard calls for a sloping croup. Even my WLGSD has a slight slope. It is due to how they are stacked in a 3 point stack as opposed to a 4 point. There are breeders who have taken it to extremities, but all GSD's have a natural slope unless they're terribly backyard bred and lack type.
@ “The withers are higher than and sloping into the level back. The back is straight, very strongly developed without sag or roach, and relatively short.” - Official AKC standard for the German Shepherd dog. The croup is a mix of the sacral vertebrae (which is at the end of the spine) and the first four or five tail vertebrae. Which yes, an angled croup is required for a lower tail set that the breed has. I just think you responded to the wrong comment here😅 I never said anything other than all standards for this breed call for a straight back, which they do.
@@bricesicle You, nor I are judges so really who are we to decide this. I know what I mean. You know what you mean. I think all GSDs have rear angulation but some are overdone & some dogs I would never own. I like my GSDs from working line, some like em from Showlines. That's chill. Only bad GSD is a BYB GSD.
@ There’s nothing to decide, what I said is a fact of the standards. Some gsds lack angulation sure, some are overdone. But this has nothing to do with my original comment. I’m going to have to disagree on that last bit too, all German Shepherds are amazing dogs.
@@bricesicle Yes, there are things to decide. Because you are not a JUDGE of the GSD breed. You AND I are just random onlookers of the breed. Continuing on.. You think Backyard breed German Shepherds with zero breeding qualities and are littered with health issues should be bred? That's what it sounds like by the last bit. Not every GSD is an amazing Dog. I literally am a dog trainer, the amount of weak nerved GSDs I see everyday is ridiculous and backyard breeding is a terrible problem. Showline Dogs are bred for Temperament & Health Working Line Dogs are bred for Temperament, Health AND Workability Backyard Bred GSD's are bred for no purpose. They are usually good for nothing pet dogs, which isn't to say they are bad dogs, but is to say they do not adhere to the German Shepherd dog standard that you apparently care so much about.
You can't even spell Shepherd bro why would we take you seriously.. Shiloh Shepherds are their own respected breed program. King Shepherds are purchased by people who have big-dog egos.
@joeblomquist4781 I went to a farm the other day and met a lady who had a king shephard. She told me the father was a king shephard and the mother was a german shephard. That the father was german x with shiloh. That all the menonites in the area love king shephards and bring there dogs to the king shephard farther to be bred. What did they use before shilohs?
@ if I remember kings were American Germans crossed with livestock guardian dogs possibly the Pyrenees, and malamutes. Those dogs were then crossed with European gsds. Shilohs came along later. Their origins had a malamute with some wolf ( I think) . Then some breeders eventually began crossing the king’s and shilohs together, which is what you heard.
@@philforde5871 Shepherds are awesome family dogs good protectors and are very easy to train but they are very noisy they bark a lot on everything unlike kangals that need to be provoked to even react however if rocky is starting to bark entire neighborhood knows something is up and he won't give up until threat is eliminated plus kangals are bigger thus they generate more respect even when I go with rocky on a walk everybody just go on the other side of the street literary he just ignores other dogs most ot the time i feel safe by his side
czech and serbian far superior to anything in germany used to import a lot of them the DDR lines from Germany hasnt been any good since the wall came down
My Hercules was around for 15 years KKL1a East German DDR and Czech Border Guard - purchased from an LAPD K9 officers personal stock. He was our protector and family member.
wow 15 years is a good run. I just had one pass away from cancer only made it to 10.
i have a german shepherd that is mixed west german working line from dad and american show line mom . Best dog ive ever had.
There is no such thing as a panda German Shepherd.
Sadly it is, but made by backyard breeders
@the_Essa_guy No it ain't you can look and tell these so call panda German Shepherds are mix with Australian shepherd And siberian husky And Border collie and Blue Healer. something I cannot name right now but I know these so call panda German Shepherds are mixed.
@ thats why i said their from BACKYARD breeders wich do that, do a few google searches if you dont believe me. its what their called, backyard breeders do not take the proper care in genetics wich also means they do imbreeding, and more, as well as mixes. Example: a golden retriever and a pug for a example. Its also illegal in many places because of it. Breeders and backyard breeders are two different things, and mixes still eventually become breeds, such as golden doodles often being part poodle and part lab/golden
@@the_Essa_guy I’m guessing he means it’s not recognized has German shepherds officially by the kennel club
@ ah, true. i guess thats more understandable
I own a 2 years old West German Working line sable GSD. You can choose to work him, or he will choose for you. But either way he is going to get worked. Think Malinois drive in a 95lb body
In each section you have mixed different photos of German shepherds. Misleading
Had an East German from herding lines,Legit history , no slope back larger possibly due to crosses from the lgd lines in the past.
0:22 Xanuk is my boys great grandfather 😅
Cedar Pines Von Timber in the working dog database
You had me untill the “straight back” and “sloped back” comments, all German shepherd breed standards call for a straight back. All German shepherds are also susceptible to hip dysplasia. Finally, Panda German shepherds are out of standard and most (close to all) breeders producing them are backyard breeders.
The German Shepherd breed standard calls for a sloping croup. Even my WLGSD has a slight slope. It is due to how they are stacked in a 3 point stack as opposed to a 4 point. There are breeders who have taken it to extremities, but all GSD's have a natural slope unless they're terribly backyard bred and lack type.
@ “The withers are higher than and sloping into the level back. The back is straight, very strongly developed without sag or roach, and relatively short.” - Official AKC standard for the German Shepherd dog. The croup is a mix of the sacral vertebrae (which is at the end of the spine) and the first four or five tail vertebrae. Which yes, an angled croup is required for a lower tail set that the breed has. I just think you responded to the wrong comment here😅 I never said anything other than all standards for this breed call for a straight back, which they do.
@@bricesicle You, nor I are judges so really who are we to decide this. I know what I mean. You know what you mean. I think all GSDs have rear angulation but some are overdone & some dogs I would never own. I like my GSDs from working line, some like em from Showlines. That's chill. Only bad GSD is a BYB GSD.
@ There’s nothing to decide, what I said is a fact of the standards. Some gsds lack angulation sure, some are overdone. But this has nothing to do with my original comment. I’m going to have to disagree on that last bit too, all German Shepherds are amazing dogs.
@@bricesicle Yes, there are things to decide. Because you are not a JUDGE of the GSD breed. You AND I are just random onlookers of the breed.
Continuing on..
You think Backyard breed German Shepherds with zero breeding qualities and are littered with health issues should be bred? That's what it sounds like by the last bit. Not every GSD is an amazing Dog. I literally am a dog trainer, the amount of weak nerved GSDs I see everyday is ridiculous and backyard breeding is a terrible problem.
Showline Dogs are bred for Temperament & Health
Working Line Dogs are bred for Temperament, Health AND Workability
Backyard Bred GSD's are bred for no purpose. They are usually good for nothing pet dogs, which isn't to say they are bad dogs, but is to say they do not adhere to the German Shepherd dog standard that you apparently care so much about.
King shephards are shiloh shephard x with german shephard
You can't even spell Shepherd bro why would we take you seriously.. Shiloh Shepherds are their own respected breed program. King Shepherds are purchased by people who have big-dog egos.
They were around before shilohs .
@joeblomquist4781 I went to a farm the other day and met a lady who had a king shephard. She told me the father was a king shephard and the mother was a german shephard. That the father was german x with shiloh.
That all the menonites in the area love king shephards and bring there dogs to the king shephard farther to be bred.
What did they use before shilohs?
@ if I remember kings were American Germans crossed with livestock guardian dogs possibly the Pyrenees, and malamutes. Those dogs were then crossed with European gsds.
Shilohs came along later. Their origins had a malamute with some wolf ( I think) . Then some breeders eventually began crossing the king’s and shilohs together, which is what you heard.
@@joeblomquist4781 I see that makes sense.
I have a squid for a gsd
my mom's kangal is the last dog you want to encounter he's very powerful and protective he eats shepherds for breakfast
are you for real?😯
Your a clown
@@Decipher1 In fact I am 🙂
What's your point ?
@@philforde5871 Shepherds are awesome family dogs good protectors and are very easy to train but they are very noisy they bark a lot on everything unlike kangals that need to be provoked to even react however if rocky is starting to bark entire neighborhood knows something is up and he won't give up until threat is eliminated plus kangals are bigger thus they generate more respect even when I go with rocky on a walk everybody just go on the other side of the street literary he just ignores other dogs most ot the time i feel safe by his side
Can you make video on husky too😅
No gsd should have a slopping back, its cruel to the dog, gsd should be straight back
You have no idea what you are talking about in this video
czech and serbian far superior to anything in germany used to import a lot of them the DDR lines from Germany hasnt been any good since the wall came down