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Um, that's not spicy, that's NEEDY. Poor mama.
So far have not seen any evidence that Mama G is anything but a little sweetie pie
She discovered that she likes pets.
Yup, we have one who came in to us like that
My elder cat has always (well, rescued aged 4) liked a lot of scritches and touches or grabs with a paw to ask. Job for life.
Dr to Be Mary: “Everything a cat does is due to hormones.”
Me: “…wait spite is a hormone now?” 😂😂😂
I think I have the spite hormone.
I think she already has a PhD! She's in school right now for vetmed, but I'm not sure what her other degree is in.
Love the footage of two kittens gently whaling on each other while you talk.
Thank you. I think there’s a metaphor in there… maybe they’re my last two brain cells fighting to keep things moving
I love that you answer these questions honestly and objectively. It's very easy to get emotional about "the miracle of life" but you've narrowed it to "overpopulation = suffering" in a way I respect and agree with. I love cats but there are no shortage of cats in the world. We're not going to run out. Go to any animal shelter and they would love to have you leave with a cat. The more strays we spay the better it is for everyone.
I find that so-called miracle manufactured consent. It should be talked about objectively and in terms of what's happening in reality and not project human emotions onto animals. I've even heard a anti-abortion person talk about spaying and neutering as crimes. I kid you not.
every time girlboss shows up I have to restrain myself from hauling ass up to the carolinas 😭
If the Carolinas are "up" for you in the US I imagine you're not that far! Come get some kittens!
And adopting all the kittens? Haha
Hormonal fluctuations suck. All the spayed & neutered kitties no longer be held hostage by hormones probably wouldn't describe their post-surgery bit-less lives as being bland Nothing. They're free to be cats!
Also, Yay for little Oil Change Ollie! I don't know if or how many other people suggested it but I'm so happy you chose it, it suits him so well!
"Uh-oh, I lost one"
I thought the jingley ball noise was coming from my own surroundings. It took me a good minute to deduce it was not one of my voids, but in fact, your rescues.
Same! I paused the video to see where the noise was coming from... then realized, nope.
Thank you for the biology lesson. Went from not even knowing spay/abort exists, to understanding and fully supporting it.
I enthusiastically welcome the little one to the august profession of law. 😂
Can't wait for the garage kitties to get the heckin chomps
Automobile = Otto, Oil change = Ollie, Kayak = Kaya, so obviously Miscellaneous = Missy, right?
Correct
Used to say at the shelter, community cats are outside cats that arent stray but nobody owns them. Sometimes theyre friendly sometimes theyre feral
11:05 The greatest Girlboss adoption ad ❤
Got a phone call at 2:30 pm yesterday. A barely year old, very skittish cat was having kittens. Mama wasn't showing any signs of milk supply. Gave her tons of love, and helped clean the babies. They were so tiny. I don't have an incubator, but was lucky enough to find a foster with an incubator. We fed them every hour from 3 to 10 when they were picked up. Wasn't my cat, but my best friend was working, and her son was in a panic.
Look at that tower of Friskies behind you. Love to see it.
Gosh, if I was more financially stable, I'd adopt them in a heartbeat.
Thank you for the progesterone and estrogen information! I'm currently on kitten watch 2024. Snowball, the lovely momma, has been trucking along just fine. After her accident litter, she IS getting spayed. Her brother - the unfortunate father - has finally been neutered. The rescue the kittens came from never told us that they develop faster when co-habitated with the other sex. Best of luck to Girlboss and Grand Larsony in finding homes!
Is _that_ why I left my two young sibling black cats to go on vacation and came back to a pregnant girl one, when I'd thought they were too young to worry about?! I was in denial until the last couple of weeks, while she kept getting rounder and rounder. 🤣
Apparently my short-hair black momcat "got around"--I'm pretty sure there were _two_ fathers! She had three beautiful sealpoints (two were medium-hair aka Balinese, the other a short-hair). Since two gold-eyed black cats probably can't make blue-eyed Siamese/Balinese, even though they may have had some Siamese in their mix, I'm assuming the father was a handsome blue-eyed Balinese.
_And_ she also had two lovely green-eyed grays (one medium-hair, one short-hair) and a medium-hair gold-eyed black (identical in looks and personality to his probable uncle/daddy). Both the grays had "exotic" looks and those green eyes, so I kind of assumed their dad might have been the handsome Balinese as well. But the sweet fluffy black boy kitten _had_ to be from her sweet, fluffy black brother!
It was quite a bit of work finding help with vouchers to get all of them fixed. (I was unemployed at the time.) I felt so guilty; I've _always_ gotten my pets "fixed". I tried to keep them all, for quite a while!
It's a good thing I was there (and awake) when she gave birth as she had absolutely no instincts. After the first three, she just acted like there was nothing more going on. Number 5 was breach--the medium-hair gray with the gorgeous green eyes with a teal ring around them. I had to "assist" or that one may very well not have made it! And to quote a famous movie line: "I don't know 'nuthin' 'bout birthin' no babies!" But I grabbed those little toes and wiggled those tiny legs until it came out enough to pull it the rest of the way out...with no help from momcat. I was afraid the baby would suffocate in the birth canal. Once I finally got it out, I had to keep clearing it's nose and do some breaths to make sure it was breathing regularly. That kitten turned out to be very special and became the love of my life. Good luck with your pending family!
I have four outdoor cats at home. Two of them I call Barn Cats because they are friendly and social. The other two, a mother and son duo, I debate whether to call them barn cats or feral cats. I trapped them and got them spayed and neutered. But they are very unsocialized and do not approve of human contact at all. It took a long time to get to where they would let us look at them even without running away.
You explained that so much more clearly than my Biology instructor!! Where was this 2 months ago?! LOL
Always a good day when we see you post... ❤ tons of great info AND cute kittens?? What more do we need in life, eh? 😄 Have a great week and I hope the garage kitties can come inside soon. 😸❤
Love the casual content like this with great information! Hopefully this allows some people to feel more comfortable about spay abortions, since they are a very necessary part of rescue ❤
Thank you for the video of precious kitties and your explanations! The chart was useful and made me understand cars' pregnancies a little more
yo I just figured out where baby cars come from
I find the veterinary science stuff fascinating!
Great chart, very helpful! Um, the title request - PLEASE stop doing this - didn't see what you wanted us to stop doing? ❤️
It’s very subtle, but it’s there 😅
My suggestion, respectfully, is to try to develop a thicker skin for "misleading" or "click-bait" titles. It used to bug me, too, but creators really need to do whatever they can to get people to watch their videos. I take all titles with a grain of salt now. 🙂
@@Fortheloveofkittenrescue Give us a hint.... 🧐
That not all outside cats are feral.
Yess!!!! re: feral as a behavior! Addendum that sometimes I hear folks use the word “wild” to refer to domesticated outside cats. Wild = non-domesticated!
I don't know what I'm supposed to stop doing, halp
Thinking outside cat = feral cat
I would immediately adopt a cat or two but I don't have the means to own a pet properly yet.
Eventually things will get to the "own a pet" phase but not currently.
Thank you Dr Mary❤ but what an outrage that Tony🤌🤌is still not adopted!!!!!
I work at a shelter that routinely spey-aborts and learning how hormones affect pregnancy/nurturing reponses was so fascinating! Thank you for this knowledge!
I would love to adopt Girl-boss and Grand larceny. Unfortunately I live a couple thousand miles away. I really hope they will find their forever home soon!
Same here 😢
I have 5 cats. All former strays now living a life of luxury. Thank you for all that you do ❤. You are a hero!!
Love that you captured her grabbing for your hand! Sweet babyyy
I work at an animal shelter and the number of cats that get labled as "feral" drives me insane. Majority aren't actually feral they are just scared. One cat labeled extremely feral and two days later i was holding him like a baby and getting kisses.
I think that's why a lot of the fully outside stray cats came in labeled as semi feral, yes they were behaving feral but we expected that they would relax given some time and for all but a handful that's been correct. We had one who on the first night he was given access to the main floor of the shelter he got on-top of the room for kittens or sick isolation and from there crawled onto the hinges for the bay doors. He was placed in a foster home for a time after that to try and get him to calm down a bit more... It didn't really work he was brought back and placed in the kitten room because we found out he very much likes kittens and they make him feel a little more comfortable
I'll never stop being amazed at your love and commitment to these little babies. It's so inspiring and I wish I could at least volunteer (I'm told I won't be able to handle things like euthanasia or uncovering abuse- my family's probably right cause I am an empath so I'd end up getting depression triggers). Anyhoo, keep on being you cause that's who I wanna be ;) Love love
I love the work you do. I wish i didn't have cat allergies. But sadly i enjoy being able to breathe.
Somehow those meowing kitties have such a soothing effect. 🥰
My new babeh Monkey was from a feral colony, and came in at two!! She is a sweet goil now just highly anxious 😂
Commenting because I love you work and that's a way to support you. We're far from being able to do what you do at the moment, but our dream is to be stable enough to save kitties as well and you inspire me a lot!
I am so in love with Mama Garage. But I already have 4 cats that think they're the most important thing in the universe, I can't have a fifth 😢
I love how there were insightful and respectful questions! Great community ❤
Very happy with the names! 😉
Soo cuuute KITTENS! 😻
My cat is very enthralled by this video (I think it’s the jingling)!
This gave me knowledge and serotonin. Thank you❤
so i am currently bottle feeding a 3-4 week year old baby who was abandoned with no mom or other kittens around at a families friend house where we got a few other cats but only 1 lived which we kept. ive been talking about wanting a new kitten for the last month due to me losing my long time baby and sleeping partner every time for about healf her life at 16-17. we werent going to get another one until we moved but the world decided it was now and not later. hes got a minor cold and we got meds coming in the next day or 2 being shipped from 1 state over.
my aunt also feeds him but he treats me like momma...crawling in my shirt, going underneath to sleep when he gets tired. we have 5 cats so we have to be careful with him so hes in a cat stroller when not around us
I was sat with all of my cats in sight wondering who was playing with the toy in the other room 😂 took me a moment to process that one
Aaaaahhhhh!!!!! Mismatched socks. I should have guessed. Thank you for answering. ❤❤❤❤
Lots of love from Portland, OR.
I loved that explanation! The diagram really helped! It kinda makes me wonder why cat hormones just go away with a spay abort while dog milk hormones still spike. 🤔 Kinda makes your wanna do a study. (Or maybe just use it as an excuse to provide free procedures to local shelters/rescues.)
The “pet me” swat from momma garage is at 8:46 if anyone is looking for it
Yayy I love the names you went with!! They’re all so cute!
OMG I thought the like bell sounds was my own cats 😂😂😂 I didn't realise it until you said it that my cats are not even close to me
Just finally managed to trap a now semi-feral mama I've been after for 4 YEARS, who was on her 8th(!!) litter (that we know of)!! She's extremely trap savvy, had to lure her into our garage and close it to get her to finally go in the cat trap. Got her a spay/termination bc there was literally never going to be another opportunity to spay her, and she had no business going through another litter. She's been so relaxed now that shes not constantly being chased or having/raising babies(she wasn't a very sweet momma to them either).
Oh my wordy word killing us with tiny cat fun ❤❤ I respect your work you are amazing
Near Connecticut and would 100% adopt the kittens if I had more room in my apt 😢 my two cats don’t even get along yet and we have a ways to go with them
Another spay aboard question - if the kittens are old enough to be viable once they have been removed from the mother, what happens? Does the vet euthanize each kitten separately? I love Dr Mary science stuff!!! ❤ it's even cooler than wonderalls!
That was my question as well
6:25 is Mama's paw pad okay? It looks a bit scarred or something. Great informative video as always Dr Mary ❤ Awesome footage of the most beautiful kittehs❤
ETA- the sound of kittehs playing is NEVER annoying to me, so don't worry ❤❤❤
@9:10 "wake up, babe, new estrogen dropped"
this was really informative! thanks for fielding our questions dr mary :)
I had a cat named Kao which sounds the same a chaos in french, different spelling, same result
I want them all, so beautiful and adorable!
Love the educational content! I remembered most of it from university, I’m glad I didn’t forget 🎉
I love a good visual aide💚
They are so stinking cute!!! I want one or two or three..... 😅
Thank you for answering my question! 💜💜
One request please keep doing what you are doing! Love seeing the smol babies and all the love you have for each one! If someone doesn't like cats, what is wrong with them?
Thanks for answering my question about the cat hormones! The point about the relationship between progesterone and cortisol is particularly interesting. It seems related to the trope/phenomenon where women can experience labor initiation from high-stress situations?
Please keep in mind that I’m just finishing first year vet school, so I’m just a baby. BUT that makes sense to me. Also… everyone is literally born stressed lol
Love your Q&A videos❤
Great update! Always happy to hear!
I trapped a feral girl in 2016 and took her in for a spay/abort. I never released her, and she's my girlie now! But I've always wondered if she missed being a mama. When she hears baby cats crying on this channel, she reacts... but is it because it's annoying, or because she wants to be a mama cat? Thank you for answering this question for me!
It's likely just a reaction domestic cats have a lot more social instincts than we give the credit for, and one of those instincts you'll see at work especially in colonies of outdoor cats is that cats will sometimes look after other cats kittens
Another genuine question about spay aborts: Ive heard cats dont generally have the same connection to their babies as other animals, once they’ve stopped nursing its like they forget/move on from ‘oh your my babies’. Is this something you see? And do you think this impacts the cats lack of reaction to spay aborts? What do you think goes on with those rare cases of depression after loss in some cats?
Always enjoy your video’s. 👍👍🤗
The TNR I help with does spay-aborts. The vets have euthanizing meds on hand for the larger "pods" (pregnant uteri resemble pea pods) so that the fetus(es) don't suffer once the uterine horns are removed. They don't open the horns, but do inject into the "pods." I never asked the vets if they had a specific point in gestation where they do this, but my assumption is maybe during the last week of pregnancy when kittens might have a chance if born prematurely. I've never seen them do it for smaller "pods."
Do cats have a regular cycle like humans (like menstruation) or is it only in a certain periods (pun not intended)? I once had 2 indoor female cats I didn't get spayed for a couple of years, no change of kittens, and I think in spring and fall they would be in heat 2 -3 times (per season). Eventually I got sick of their behaviour when they where in heat and did get them spayed.
Im all about the charts
GOD'S I WANT TO ADOPT THEM ALL, I HAVE A PROBLEM I HAVE *5* CATS THAT *LIVE* WITH ME;^;
I'm a simple gal, I see Mary + kittens, I hit "like".
Thank you for your posts, I love to see the amazing work you do. I also work in rescue and have a question. I have spoken with my colleagues about spay-aborts and while we are on board, they are worried about having to euthanise the kittens themselves if they are viable and therefore don't like to spay-abort past a certain point. This happened once as we didn't realise how far along one of the cats was. Is this something you've encountered?
So how do the fetuses die in a spay abort? No judgement at all, totally get that it’s the best choice, just not sure how it actually works for a cat spay abort? With them being full term do they feel pain or does the anesthesia cover that as well?😊
Yes to the feral vs not feral cats video please
If the uterine horns are removed intact while full, do the kittens pass of asphyxiation, does the anesthesia put them to sleep forever... what happens to the kittens?
I own an inside outside feral. Or rather, she owns us. Not happy about the baby rat she brought into the house, somewhere, because it got away and the other three cats are hunting duds. Argh
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I had another question lol 😂 when a mama has babies do you wait to spay her after she’s done nursing or do you spay her right away so she is healing while with you and would those hormones being removed affect her milk production?
I'm no expert, but from what I understand, once the pregnancy has triggered lactation for nursing in a mother cat, she'll continue producing milk so long as there is nipple stimulus (i.e. kittens actively trying to nurse). Even after spaying.
It kind of makes sense biologically; the milk a mama cat produces for her kittens represents nutrition and calories she's not keeping for herself, so it being initiated by pregnancy but controlled by kitten demand instead of a hormonal period means that once her kittens are weaned, her body can more quickly shut off milk production and let her recover more fully for another pregnancy.
That was interesting about hormones driving everything! Nice to see the babies getting strong and healthy.
Why did I never realize “progesterone” = pro+gestation 🤯
Nobody puts baby in a corner unless she requests it
WHERE IS PENCIL!?
Omg if I was in the US, I wud adopt them in an instant. But I'm not 😢
I read an older book once about cats and the author was CONVINCED that neutering/spaying a cat was the most horrible and evil thing you could do. He said there were other ways to stop cats from getting pregnant but still let them get hormonal and keep their reproductive organs, and he said you should do those instead of spaying/neutering because it makes it so that the cats still feel like they have a "purpose" and a "will to live" and it's evil to not let them try to reproduce. I personally disagree, but what do you think? He also said that having an indoor cat was cruel and evil and torture, which I also disagree with. (side note: the rest of the book was really good, those were the only problematic bits)
I'd say the author was projecting...
Sounds unhinged. I imagine he had some interesting thoughts on the reproductive choices of female humans, too.
@@San1984 yeah that's what I was thinking!
I feel like this guy must never have been around a female cat in heat, because they are m i s e r a b l e.
Treating animals as though they're humans in hairy suits doesn't set you up to help animals, and that seems to be the attitude this author has.
anthropomorphizing animals always bothers me because it can literally stop people who don’t want animals to suffer simply because people feel bad…
a mom cat will suffer on the streets and lose her kittens from diseases and starvation but that’s fine because “it’s nature”, but when a person is trying to help this animal it becomes “but this cat will feel bad🥺” this isn’t even a moral argument because there’s no place for the cat’s emotions when they’re currently dying outside
If you spay abort a mother who was like REALLY close to giving birth, then the fetuses aren't really fetuses anymore, are they? The kitties should be ready to be born, right? What happens then?
Hear me out…if it “takes a village”, why don’t we call them village cats? Then, we can get them medieval costumes and hold town square meetings. 🤷🏻♀️
But OF COURSE we know rhe stress hormone, we know it TOO well
I'm really curious. If the kittens are fully formed and they are aborted, does that mean they never take a breath?
Wait, on the note of kitty hormones-- do cats have an equivalent menopause like when a human with ovaries gets them removed?
As far as I know only humans and whales live beyond their reproductive age.
That i don’t know. 😅
I thought I replied and it's gone... I was saying I think only whales and humans live beyond their reproductive time (but in our case it might just be because we don't die as young as we used to)
She might be swatting because you wear glasses. Cats and dogs dont understand that the reflection they see is them. Try a session with them off to see of if calms her some. People remember - you should never approach someones dog or cat with glasses or sunglasses on please. They are not aggressive just not designed for human amenities. Thank you and keep up good work. They are all starfish on a beach.
This is the excellent point! Young children also sometimes get nervous about glasses; if you wear glasses and a friend's baby can't look at you without crying, that's a good guess to start with.
That said, I know an outdoor cat (a mouser who is good at her job) who only allows the lady of the house to hold her... unless you're a chubby person with long hair and glasses. Something about that combination makes you an Okay Person to this mouser. Her owner is a slim lady with short hair and glasses, so we're all confused but very grateful that her preferences align with the genetics on this side of the family 😂
Ok but... Kitten squeaks might be a tad too cute. Clearly they are criminals.