All That Matters Is Modern Horizons 2 | Dies To Removal Episode 33 | Magic: The Gathering

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  • They reprinted fetch lands! Forget any other set that came before it, because Modern Horizons 2 is all that matters in Magic, and Prof and Vince will tell you what they really think! Also, want to play Commander online? Check out A Guide To Playing Commander Online With Spelltable: • A Guide To Playing Com...
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  • @TolarianCommunityCollege
    @TolarianCommunityCollege  3 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    Teferi recently visited my office and you can see what happened here: th-cam.com/video/piOOfI6qBo4/w-d-xo.html

    • @misomiso8228
      @misomiso8228 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So proffessor - this is my idea for a different kind of Modern that will stop WotC messing with it:
      Name: Super Standard
      Card Pool: All cards that have ever been in Standard or the early equivilent.
      Starting Ban List: The Reserved list the current Legacy Ban list, the Current Modern Ban list
      The idea is that this will prevent WotC from releasing sets like Horizons, and make the defining aspect of the format cards that have to have been in standard.
      There will probably be more bans needed, maybe cards like Snapcaster or Force of Will, but the idea is that the format will be more STABLE.
      You can ban cards as needed to make the format diverse and interactive, but decks should be much more stable.
      What do you think Professor?!

    • @aznsbd
      @aznsbd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      So I'm confused. Are some cards going to rotate out of Modern when Horizons 2 hits later this month?

    • @dwaynebrice1697
      @dwaynebrice1697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm sorry prof but her response to your turn is literally me. Your skit had me cracking up.

    • @chartreux1532
      @chartreux1532 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why the Hell would you want WotC not to print Sets like Horizons? It's the best Thing happening to Modern since forever, especially Modern Horizons 2.
      This is just as silly as being against WotC printing "Commander Sets", and yes it's not the same, but Modern should not rely on Standard Sets. Relying on Standard Sets is what was killing Modern. With Modern Horizons Wizards doesn't have to worry about if this and that Card would be bad for Standard
      Modern Horizons 2 especially shows that WotC put thought into the Modern Meta, many of these Cards are entirely focused on powering up Modern Tier 2 and Tier 3 Decks. This is the best thing to happen to Modern. Especially for those of us liking Variety in Modern.
      Modern needed it's own Set + the "Reprint to become Modern Legal" Cards, we Modern Players have been asking for this since EXTENDED was gone and we got Modern.
      I play Competitive and Fun/Brew/Jank Modern and Legacy and i couldn't be happier with Modern Horizons 2
      Regarding Price Complaining. Would be nice if the Prof points out that these Prices might be an Issue in North America. I paid for Modern Horizons 2 Collectors Booster Boxes and normal Draft Booster waaaay less than what they apparently are sold for in North America

    • @JonathanYoungZ_Kaiser
      @JonathanYoungZ_Kaiser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@misomiso8228 I I o I uiiouo

  • @BWintJack
    @BWintJack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +376

    Professor: I'm only upset by one thing, and I'm sure everyone can guess what it is.
    Me: Is it the price?
    Professor: It's the price.

    • @fosterdawson7339
      @fosterdawson7339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      69th like B)

    • @ogdeathdog7913
      @ogdeathdog7913 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's the price - looks like iv got sale my soul or ass on the street to get these ..=/

  • @don8535
    @don8535 3 ปีที่แล้ว +526

    Dies to Removal ep 33: the gang admits Hasbro has traumatized them to the point of not caring about their trauma

    • @TolarianCommunityCollege
      @TolarianCommunityCollege  3 ปีที่แล้ว +267

      not far from it

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +196

      oof. Too real.

    • @don8535
      @don8535 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      *me, actively boycotting Hasbro since Throne*: "you can heal, you can move on, I believe in you. Also Weiss has anime waifus on it"

    • @anthonymarciano6050
      @anthonymarciano6050 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      Dies to removal 43: they both now work for hasbro because stockholme syndrome

    • @gyorgyor7765
      @gyorgyor7765 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The best kind of trauma, trauma with fun mind break.

  • @tylerisdrawing9913
    @tylerisdrawing9913 3 ปีที่แล้ว +258

    "Oh whoops was it my turn? Overload cyclonic rift."
    The irony that this is an instant spell doesn't escape me.

    • @ethanuys6903
      @ethanuys6903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Maybe he needed to untap?

    • @fulgurobaboon1321
      @fulgurobaboon1321 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Playing busted cards at the wrong time but still wrecking everyone on the table does have a psychological effect on your opponents, though

  • @valerioviolin
    @valerioviolin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    In three years we’ll be paying 200$+ a box for awesome sets such as “pauper horizons”

  • @dragonfire14x
    @dragonfire14x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    When it comes to prices of new products I feel like we are being slapped on both cheeks. In a time when scalping is becoming a new pandemic, Wizards decides to raise the price across the board. Like the Prof said, Wizards has no care for a penniless player like myself. I haven't bought a product in a while do the rising prices, but nothing will change cause I don't matter.

    • @iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS
      @iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm fairly sure you're not penniless but that's a bad way of framing it since you would not be their target market since they want money. On a serious note, there is no reason this couldn't be the price of a standard box or even the price of the previous mh box. It's a shame with the price increases but as long as people buy the product they are going to get it if they can afford it and a lot of us can afford it.

    • @user-yf4jx6te2b
      @user-yf4jx6te2b 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey, man, getting slapped on the cheeks can be quite rewarding to some folk.

    • @julioborjon4389
      @julioborjon4389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS Privileged talk there missing the point.

    • @bobby45825
      @bobby45825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bring👏back👏MSRP👏

  • @Thror251
    @Thror251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +347

    The intro is great as always

    • @TolarianCommunityCollege
      @TolarianCommunityCollege  3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      I'm glad you liked it

    • @Edricama
      @Edricama 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I disagree. This intro is exceptionally good. It’s so great that it stands out from most!

    • @mtgcamfan
      @mtgcamfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was kinda like an opposite dimension kinda intro

    • @prinnyEXE
      @prinnyEXE 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And the outtro. Of course he'd have a heart attack

    • @eridevonta1384
      @eridevonta1384 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TolarianCommunityCollege I have to pause the video because I have not stopped laughing when the podcast started.

  • @moomochi6290
    @moomochi6290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    "Two Abused Spouses Talk About How It's Not So Bad Once You Get Used To It." - alt title

  • @vincentmccue7481
    @vincentmccue7481 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    "Why is it called 'Modern'?"
    "Because at the time you could only play cards with the sets using the 'Modern' border"
    "Oh, neat. So why don't these Commander and Conspiracy sets let me play these modern border cards in Modern?"
    "Those are supplemental sets, so they aren't REALLY sets, but you can play them in Legacy and Vintage."
    "What are those?"
    *shrug*
    "Okay, well time to play this all retro border deck in Modern with cards from the latest supplemental set"

  • @zonimi
    @zonimi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    My take on the pricing: I am honestly shocked that the whole Magic community isn't in revolt. They jacked up the price on what is essentially a must-have product if you want to remain competitive. They are selling powered-up cards for a premium and the loser is the player, especially the kids that would love to play the game but just can't afford it anymore. I'm all for premium versions and special collectible cards in Magic, but the game pieces, at least upon release, should be relatively affordable. Doubling the cost of something that costs them the same amount to produce, and trying to justify that on the back of "the cards are super-strong" is going down the road of some terrible precedents that they have been setting over the past few years. A lot of people tried to warn the community about where this was going to lead... and now we are here. This is not healthy for the game or for the player. They were told to double their profits, and instead of trying to expand the reach of the game and bring in new players, they are simply setting their sites on fleecing their customers. At what point does it break? It is not healthy in the long term for the game. They are simply trying to appease their shareholders with short term profits. At what point does the house of cards come tumbling down? When do we, as a community, say "enough is enough?" (and if they were just impacting Modern that would be one thing - but a LOT of these cards look specifically designed to impact other formats... especially Commander)

    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      agreed. I am one of those enfranchised players. My first sets were unlimited and antiquities. I am finally saying enough is enough. it does not feel good.

    • @greisondeffer3664
      @greisondeffer3664 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There’s so many cool cards I wanna get but I don’t wanna crack a box and singles are gonna be through the roof :(

    • @Dracinard
      @Dracinard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't disagree, but this isn't new, right? Masters Sets have been pushing this envelope for way too long. Is this worse than any of those, price wise?

    • @zonimi
      @zonimi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Dracinard What is the huge difference between this set and a Masters set? Masters sets are all reprints. If you already have the cards you can ignore the Masters sets unless you want a shiny new version. Masters sets are designed to get new copies of those cards in the market, which depresses the pricing and makes the game more accessible. This is the opposite of that.

    • @czcbearsrule1
      @czcbearsrule1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does nobody understand how having blinged out chase cards makes the product more affordable for the average player? Has nobody looked at the price of modern or standard decks recently? This is a god-awful take.

  • @JimPea
    @JimPea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    Prof: "If I were a gambling man - which I'm actually not"
    Also Prof: "It's the Modern Horizons 2 Booster Box Game!"

    • @Zosh_
      @Zosh_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dbptwg He's joking

    • @JimPea
      @JimPea 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dbptwg I know, I'm just joking. Obviously he makes back money through the views that those videos get too.
      Although I would also say that it being his job and him not enjoying it don't preclude it being gambling.

    • @sethnofcks6448
      @sethnofcks6448 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ain't gambling if it's other peoples money lol

    • @abnormallynormal8823
      @abnormallynormal8823 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s not gambling if you never sell the cards ;)

  • @Kool212
    @Kool212 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    These prices are what has kept me from buying new product in like 4 years. I refuse to be a mindless consumer.

  • @oxtim394
    @oxtim394 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    "Damp Kenobi" should have been the subtitle of Star Wars Ep. II

  • @davsr7789
    @davsr7789 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    "This product may not be for you"
    Thats what I saw when I heard those numbers...

    • @Lotties_handsaw
      @Lotties_handsaw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One of these days that message is going to apply to every set that comes out...

  • @mjdayetube
    @mjdayetube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +218

    They've reached the ceiling as far as my wallet is concerned.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yup

    • @ZakanaHachihaCBC
      @ZakanaHachihaCBC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      they reached the ceiling back when they introduced the collector packs

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@ZakanaHachihaCBC fuck those collectors packs

    • @chrisiver8506
      @chrisiver8506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Buy singles, let others blow $300 on a product that costs 5 bucks to make.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@chrisiver8506 pennies on the dollar

  • @Cal-fr9mw
    @Cal-fr9mw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    As a new magic player as of summer of 2020. The price for this type of set is the biggest turn off I’ve ever seen for someone. Even if someone makes good money. The price for this particular set is terrible and I feel like it caters to the fear of missing out before it gets even more expensive on the secondary market when people who have business and the cash to buy 50-100k worth of product and control it

    • @jonlangthorne7924
      @jonlangthorne7924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      FOMO is the driving force for selling this game now. Between collector boosters and secret lairs Wizards are driving the price up to see who pays. Sadly people will buy this.

    • @crazykhespar8487
      @crazykhespar8487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because packs are gambling, and gambling more money for more money is what gamblers naturally do. They're basically abusing people with a known disorder in addition to trying to fleece whales.

    • @KingBobXVI
      @KingBobXVI 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My group drafted Modern Horizons most weekends while it was available, and it often was available as low as $150 per box. No additional prize support, but it was $20 per entry and we did rare redrafts. MH1 was a fantastic draft format.
      Would love to also draft MH2 and see how it stacks up, but if we have to raise the entry to $25 that's already pushing it quite a bit and we'll do other sets instead.

    • @tylerbabitz5875
      @tylerbabitz5875 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      For expensive sets I don't usely buy boxes I just buy singles

  • @BloodiedShingle
    @BloodiedShingle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Stand-out cards from MH2 being Grief and Solitude?
    Insert obligatory joke about 2020.

  • @InRealTime769
    @InRealTime769 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I feel bad for Prof. He's been in No-Exclusive-Spoiler timeout for the last 2 sets. Guessing Wizards got tired of him exposing their shifty practices.

    • @erikedelkamp473
      @erikedelkamp473 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It isn’t really exposing them when they do it so openly

    • @jansenmayfield6317
      @jansenmayfield6317 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah it's sad especially since there were a couple creators who got multiple previews this season/:

    • @aidennoir597
      @aidennoir597 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If I remember right he had a preview offered for at least one of those sets but turned it down so a smaller creator could have a shot at a preview.

    • @KingBobXVI
      @KingBobXVI 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's still trapped in the Oubliette from his last spoiler video.

    • @fulgurobaboon1321
      @fulgurobaboon1321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So you mean you feel good for him, being blacklisted by a douchey company, right ?

  • @seb612schuth
    @seb612schuth 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That Simpsons scene, you are sadly so right :(

  • @kisskoyo
    @kisskoyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I found myself proxying this year (for edh) for the first time ever. I just want to ejoy the game man without getting bankrupt. I love the collecting part too but with the ever increasing price of products and and endless stream of them there's just no way I can get all I need. There are sites that print proxies for 50 cents each that look almost like real magic cards, it's just such a relief, and everybody in my playgroup does the same. I have no problem with whale products like collectors boosters but when a box of regular draft boosters are 300 dollars that's just problematic.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      50 cents ? Damn I can find places that are 3.50 each

    • @chubibi06
      @chubibi06 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      damned, i'm really interested : could you give me the name of such website ?

    • @eziehm
      @eziehm 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was with you till you said problematic. That word is problematic.

    • @crazykhespar8487
      @crazykhespar8487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makeplayingcards

  • @erikmoore2918
    @erikmoore2918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I see the alt version fetchlands being crazy expensive and the regular fetch lands being pretty much the same price.

  • @colincrowe5616
    @colincrowe5616 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    re: price, the silver lining for me at least is that this is an unlimited print run. I can't afford to buy packs of this set, but I know a lot of other people will crack them for fetches and sell the chaff, so hopefully I'll be able to pick up the cards I like as singles. Asmora and Lonis are both so cool.

    • @alexanderforbes1452
      @alexanderforbes1452 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's really the only upside here, whales are gonna blow hundreds of dollars on this product and the value of everything that's not either a fetchland or the half dozen other chase cards is gonna be super low as they flood the market.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Fat sweaty guys are gonna
      Spend their dead aunts money on cases

  • @barrelrollio
    @barrelrollio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    The increased pricing of these premium products just hammers home how disingenuous WOTC is about their reprint policy. They'll say and do anything to turn a profit, milking every last dollar from their player-base. Not only are people gambling on what they open, but also gambling on whether or not it'll be playable in months to come... because pushed and overpowered design choices have been rampant within the past 2 years. Also, I don't know how WOTC gets away with claiming they don't pay attention to the secondary market, yet ratchets up the prices on these sets due to the "value" of established cards.

  • @nicolasgodfraind4287
    @nicolasgodfraind4287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    "I just like to collect relics of the past". Damn it made me laugh more than expected ^^.

  • @El_Moxo
    @El_Moxo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I stoped playing magic when they started rotating modern and the power push we had roughly 2 years ago. I started playing again a few months ago thinking that they finally would stop flipping modern on its head, but that didn't stop. And now we have another rotation with modern horizons, I think the format and the game as whole is no longer for me. I'm happy for those who enjoy it because I remember the feeling of excitement with magic and that was great but I just keep feeling frustrated with power creep and the increase in prices, I played modern because I don't like running after cards all the time and having to go through constant change. I don't think I'll keep playing magic anymore. Great video though!

  • @tmdblya
    @tmdblya 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Companies listen to just one kind of feedback - profit.

  • @JakeWenger
    @JakeWenger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    I'm priced out. Hope the singles are cheap.

    • @kinghext9357
      @kinghext9357 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Unfortunately they currently arent

    • @01MEGABOB
      @01MEGABOB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Just wait for the lunch time on launch day. Best prices. Snagged my strixhaven and tsr singles that way. When was the last time you could get a panharmonicon for $5? Just don't shoot yourself in the foot. Its a print to demand set. Those squirrels WILL come down in price. Even with the box price increase. A whale doesn't count every single little krill it eats...

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The rares and mythics aren’t. Maybe some good commons and uncommons ? I’ll just look at the card list once it’s out and grab whatever catches my eye. I’ll snag a pack or two if I’m at the store but not buying a box 📦

    • @Y0utube5ucks
      @Y0utube5ucks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@01MEGABOB well said lol. Love the krill comparison :p

    • @trowawayacc
      @trowawayacc 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Had to sell cards to get a regular booster box.

  • @austinwest2599
    @austinwest2599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    the prices you quoted are insane, those are the same prices we are paying in Canada and we normally pay way more due to currency conversion

  • @AJSXenigma
    @AJSXenigma 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That discussion about price is exactly how I feel post-Walking Dead/Universes Beyond. I hate it, I've stopped buying Magic in a vain attempt to do something about it, but WotC's busy printing money, so why should they care? Good luck to them I suppose, but it's sad to think a game I've loved for so long is increasingly not for me anymore.

    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you are not alone. My sentiments exactly.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is around when I stopped buying also. I used to buy boxes every set and get every commander deck. When there were 3-4 releases a year that was feasible for someone without tons of spare money, but enough to allocate to a hobby. Now there are so many releases, different boxes of each release, secret lairs, it is impossible to keep up without being wealthy. And then their statement well maybe this product isn't for you. Fair, but if they stop making products for me, I'm not going to buy anything, and haven't now for a while.

  • @cassettecoverage6944
    @cassettecoverage6944 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wizards of the coast hears our concerns, but they don't LISTEN.

    • @river7222
      @river7222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why should they stop when everything is working for them?

  • @FSTL0613
    @FSTL0613 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    @44:55
    They've been printing a "Modern oriented" supp. set every 2 years since Modern Masters:
    2013 - MM
    2015 - MM2
    2017 - MM3
    2019 - MH
    2021 - MH2
    2023? - MH3, MH Remastered or new Product ;)

  • @mufasafalldown8401
    @mufasafalldown8401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Bottom line: WotC has gone the way of Activision, EA Sports, politicians, etc.
    "Shut up and take it"

  • @notcaboose4415
    @notcaboose4415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    "yearly podcast" sounds about right

  • @stevepeter6619
    @stevepeter6619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Secret Lair: Modern Horizons II will be the sketch treatments for the allied-color fetches and sell for $250

    • @gavingalitsky4985
      @gavingalitsky4985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      250?? Knowing wizards it’ll probably be 400😂

  • @savinobalducci6148
    @savinobalducci6148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    the intro killed me

    • @fosterark
      @fosterark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Notorious OGH is having none of the Professor's shenanigans.

    • @tlamy1992
      @tlamy1992 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The cut at the ending too! Lol

  • @darkzero3
    @darkzero3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was waiting for a video about Prof and the Merfolk and thought he died from excitement due to the lack of video. Glad to see the excitement in his eyes.

  • @chrisrichards6803
    @chrisrichards6803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    At 10:36 , the date is incorrect. Modern horizons 1 came out in 2019. You almost made me feel older than I was!

  • @zztzgza
    @zztzgza 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    It doesn't feel like Wotc is making sets for people to play the cards, it feels like they're getting high off of whale hunting.

    • @dingding12321
      @dingding12321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're fishing for the ever-elusive Moby player. They have too many Vorthos atm

    • @ryanjones_rheios
      @ryanjones_rheios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They want to be games workshop, but withput the skill fir creating an interesting setting. At keast not anymore, which is why they're dipping into settings like warhammer 40k or dnd.

    • @crazykhespar8487
      @crazykhespar8487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think you hit the nail on the head. Needing to borrow from their own IPs for inspiration just makes MtG less like MtG and more like a weird Hasbro banner to jam all their shit onto. No lore, only money grubbery.

    • @KingBobXVI
      @KingBobXVI 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dingding12321 - New player profile to go with the Timmys, Spikes, and Melvins, etc: Richard - just has infinite funds and needs a bit of prodding to spend it all on cards via luxury products and special variants; often doesn't even play the game and just likes opening packs.
      Could also be Mobius, but that name is too cool for Dick here.

    • @KingBobXVI
      @KingBobXVI 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crazykhespar8487 - "Needing to borrow from their own IPs for inspiration"
      I don't think they _need_ to - the idea for a D&D set has been a thing since they first acquired D&D. It's not at all indicative of them "running out of ideas".
      Now the lack of lore being consistently available is a different story... firing the creative team and hiring people like Weissman just tanked interest in the game's history, and while they brought back the online web story format for Zendikar, there's little to no indication of that continuing. We'll have to wait for Innistrad to see what, if anything, they have planned.

  • @sw00pster
    @sw00pster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That intro gave me the genuine chuckle I really needed to start the day.

  • @jordanaraujo2579
    @jordanaraujo2579 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Almost seems like wotc is trying to get everyone to forget about legacy, and turn modern into an "affordable" version of legacy. Then pioneer kind of picks up moderns spot. I don't know but it feels like there's a shift going on.

    • @bobby45825
      @bobby45825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thing is, Pioneer's power level just can't get to modern's ever. Modern, because of the lack of hyper efficient counter magic and combo enablers, is closer to the wild, wild west format moreso than legacy. I guarantee mental misstep would be a healthy inclusion for modern, whereas it's immensely impactful in legacy, just as one example.

  • @camiloecheverria9765
    @camiloecheverria9765 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    OMFG, I FEEL LIKE I DIDNT SEE YOU GUYS TOGETHER IN LIKE A YEAR!!, So glad to watch and listen this videos again 😍

  • @docterfantazmo
    @docterfantazmo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This set kinda broke me on collecting MtG. I like collecting singleton sets, that way I can play what I want in Commander, and I did it with the none Masters products alongside Standard. I've given up on it now, I baught a box of MH2 because of fetches and I wanted to support my local after they reopened but I can't keep shelling out that kinda cash. It's actually silly how expensive this stuff is.

    • @registereduser
      @registereduser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You’re the first person I’ve seen posting anywhere that feels the same as I do. I see articles, tweets, etc of people excited for MH2 and I’m just....not. I don’t know if I never recovered from the initial “how many packs/how many variants” info dump to all the cards revealed...
      Maybe I’m just the old man yelling at clouds now. All I know is this is the first set I’m probably not getting anything from. I need something I’ll proxy it.

    • @M1_ke
      @M1_ke 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@registereduser If I may add to this, I feel similarly as it seems ridiculous to me that a couple of cards can cost as much as a boardgame with multiple expansions. And when you are mostly just playing commander like me, is there even a point to buy cards for collecting? Might buy some cheaper new Boros cards as I love them, but the rest, yeah proxing might be the way to go now.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@M1_ke proxying is what must be done my friend.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You bought a box but you said you’ve given up?

    • @docterfantazmo
      @docterfantazmo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamesgratz4771
      It's more akin to a send off, I suppose. I was set on buying a box but since Eldraine I've felt that trying to collect full singleton sets is impractical (it was before but now there's almost twice the cards per set). MH2's card selection is really good, and hopefully the fetches will make it worth while financially but I've basically told myself that this is the last none Standard set I'll try to collect. My wallet and shelf space will thank me in the future.

  • @dominicking5366
    @dominicking5366 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    If i can buy a scalding tarn for

  • @illbetthisnameisnttaken6598
    @illbetthisnameisnttaken6598 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Man I've been checking hourly for this video.

  • @Robert-iu2ou
    @Robert-iu2ou 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loved Vince’s answer to that last question! “Oh yeah Wizards can do better!” 😂

  • @InsertCleverNameHere0
    @InsertCleverNameHere0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh my god, I did not expect that special guest in the intro, that was perfect 🤣

  • @kodee2
    @kodee2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Prof grabbing his heart at the end was his true self fighting against possession by Hasbro's greed demon

  • @CalastantNight
    @CalastantNight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Wow. That Simpsons clip is just so... so fitting. It's sad.

    • @Osk570
      @Osk570 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      When was the clip? I didn't see it...

    • @WayoftheFerret
      @WayoftheFerret 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Osk570 They didn't play the clip in this episode, Prof just referenced it

    • @starlord157
      @starlord157 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That doesn’t really apply to this situation since we can not go and make our own. We are stuck with them sucking cash from us.

  • @MrSonictheOtter
    @MrSonictheOtter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Modern Horizons 1 came out in 2019. Just so some people don't get confused.

  • @damienfenech9935
    @damienfenech9935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Best intro to DtR I've ever seen. When you popped CR, I spit out my water all over my screen.

  • @kylescott2290
    @kylescott2290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the commentary of EDH MOM in the spell table bit.

  • @DarkMagicGamer
    @DarkMagicGamer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That opening skit is brilliant.

  • @mkol1998
    @mkol1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like listening to the happy Merfolk Prof!

  • @djryat4591
    @djryat4591 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Grief is clearly better than solitude. When you start the game you cant ephemerate solitude for any value, but you can play grief 3 times by turn 2 and destroy their hand. But if youre using ephemerate you might as well just play both of them.

    • @dingding12321
      @dingding12321 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      At first I thought this was some sort of philosophical statement

  • @Sir_Francis
    @Sir_Francis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now with Rishadan Dockhand existing I'd love to see your updated Modern Merfolk Deck Prof!

  • @confessionsofafrustratedga6465
    @confessionsofafrustratedga6465 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's funny to see Prof and Kenobi realize they can't do anything about MTG prices. They probably realize their beef is with Magic players for continuing to buy.

  • @MrMalorian
    @MrMalorian 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Idea: Now that TH-cam is doing Shorts you should also release all the start of show skits as a separate skit. #GetDemViews

  • @owencarney7910
    @owencarney7910 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Professor (Capital P) is always so much more interesting to listen to when he's not reading off a script.

  • @joeferreti9442
    @joeferreti9442 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    "Noble Hierarch" and "Ignoble Hierarch" don't suggest a cycle. They're clearly a mirrored pair. And "Ignoble Hierarch" is already a stretch.

    • @bradlewis261
      @bradlewis261 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some of the colors don’t even need them

    • @willjackson5885
      @willjackson5885 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It could be a “cycle” of either 2, 4, or 6. Not a traditional cycle, but the colors would be balanced

    • @DraconisMarchVII
      @DraconisMarchVII 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sounds more like a silver-bordered parody version. But it's black border instead.

    • @WayoftheFerret
      @WayoftheFerret 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DraconisMarchVII A LOT of this product feels like silver-bordered territory to me.

    • @joeferreti9442
      @joeferreti9442 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@willjackson5885 2 is a pair. 6 is thinkable, but I'd prefer them not doing that.

  • @kurowasanabe
    @kurowasanabe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    "We'll just keep creeping"
    - Pleasant Kenobi

  • @ZakMovesMass
    @ZakMovesMass 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'll be buying a collectors box. Its probably a bad idea, but as a relatively low income person I'd like to buy at least one premium product once in my life 😅

    • @crazykhespar8487
      @crazykhespar8487 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't. Save your money for something worthwhile- Like a nice sandwich. Or the singles you want. Don't indulge in the gambling urge.

    • @Achjakommaherkommadu
      @Achjakommaherkommadu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      buy a dual land then! you wont regret it.

    • @JO11190
      @JO11190 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a good idea if you don't open it lol. Else you're really throwing money away imho.

  • @cannibalskitchen8421
    @cannibalskitchen8421 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I like ignoble hierarch, but I feel like it shouldn't have exalted. I thought exalted was a Bant mechanic, so seeing it on a Jund card feels wrong. Something like devour would make me like it a lot more.

    • @WayoftheFerret
      @WayoftheFerret 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've voiced the same thing, and the response I've gotten is, "well black has had a couple Exalted cards in the past so it's fine". The point is that THOSE cards shouldn't have had Exalted either!

    • @CityofLight11
      @CityofLight11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WayoftheFerret How dare you disrespect Nefarox

    • @WayoftheFerret
      @WayoftheFerret 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes.

  • @corrackisdead
    @corrackisdead 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As someone who gave up on magic and went into Digimans I still love these podcasts

  • @Jakerunio
    @Jakerunio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really hope that faeries gets some love soon. I’ve had a lot of people mention that we got brazen borrower recently and I tell them the same thing that you, Brian, say about true name nemesis: this isn’t a faeries card, it’s just a really good card that happens to be a faerie. It does nothing for us specifically, and any other blue deck can play it as well.
    I love the tools merfolk got in this set. Very true to what the deck wants to do and very powerful.

  • @gkiyo
    @gkiyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The 299 draft box seems insane to me. This set looks so fun, and at normal prices I probably would've bought two, three, maybe more boxes of it to play limited and maybe open some fetches. At 300, I'm not buying any of it. Honestly - it feels like buying it is a vote for future sets to be 300/box.

  • @rancidrance875
    @rancidrance875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sad to not see any preview from you, was this another Strixhaven situation?

  • @righteousraikou3973
    @righteousraikou3973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just making a note: the graphic at 10:33 said MH1 was released June 14th 2017, when it was really released on that day in 2019. Overall great insight on the upcoming MH2 and discussion on the fallout of MH1

  • @adrienneladd8375
    @adrienneladd8375 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I need to remember to watch these more for the intros because that was amazing

  • @alexanderforbes1452
    @alexanderforbes1452 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My response to these premium sets has gone from "man, this sucks, I'm not gonna spend this much for a damn booster" to "well, maybe there will be some singles that I can pick up". It sucks, I've just resigned myself to the fact that there's this part of the game that I can't justify being a part of because of the exorbitant price. It's a game, the game pieces are made of cardboard for pete's sake, I can't see any reason why they can't price these things so that everyone that wants to participate can. I really enjoy opening boosters, I know it's not economically wise but I can justify the price for the fun... when the price is reasonable. Of course, truth be told I can think of a reason why they wouldn't do that, same reason as always, greed.

  • @jdogbemple1
    @jdogbemple1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow, Prof admitted that Vince actually has a TH-cam channel!?!? What is this world coming to?

    • @BluWoolify
      @BluWoolify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it might just be him paying Vince back for calling him Prof instead of Brian

  • @PewPewParrot
    @PewPewParrot 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally this series is back! Thank you!!!!!!

  • @Jophelerx
    @Jophelerx 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah when I saw Dauthi Voidwalker spoiled I had to read it a few times to make sure it wasn't somehow worse than I thought it was, and I'm still not sure how it's OK. Oko of the set.

  • @BrazilianCitizan
    @BrazilianCitizan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    "Historic Horizons"
    I mean.. there's been like 5 Historic Anthologies already.. we even got Abundant Harvest before Modern.. sure they're not nearly as large, but I'd say it's the historic equivalent

  • @zacharymorris1694
    @zacharymorris1694 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You are a gambling man, professor. You have a series called The Booster Box Game 😂😂😂

  • @cliffordsherman7702
    @cliffordsherman7702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Proxy up a cube of Modern Horizons II putting in all the good stuff.

  • @zakaryhoage5770
    @zakaryhoage5770 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @1:10 ahahaha made my night guys, the cyclonic rift follow up ahahaha💯

  • @magicjnkie216
    @magicjnkie216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Get used to set boosters. The print run for draft boosters has been strangled way too much for my liking...

  • @mikotagayuna8494
    @mikotagayuna8494 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Still waiting for something like an Emeria, Merfolk Sky Goddess / Emrakul, Breaker of Formats MDFC card to be a commander for my merfolk deck.

  • @lordgriselbrand4600
    @lordgriselbrand4600 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    love this series...it was too long without an episode!

  • @Yontanian
    @Yontanian 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gosh its so great having this back. I hope it's not another year until the next Dies to Removal.

  • @PokeStatsStudios
    @PokeStatsStudios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thank you, Wotc, for reprinting HALF the fetchlands.

    • @lordgriselbrand4600
      @lordgriselbrand4600 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the enemy fetchlands needed them far more than the allied ones, which are in khans of tarkir standard boxes. I was buying up windswept heaths on cardkingdom for 8.99 each during the pandemic, is that not cheap enough? I thought it was a steal considering scalding tarn was 100$ not that long ago

    • @PokeStatsStudios
      @PokeStatsStudios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lordgriselbrand4600 you sound like a cardkingdom enployee.

    • @Meldon44
      @Meldon44 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PokeStatsStudios He sounds like a smart buyer -- he recognizes when cards are at their floor. The specific store he ordered from is irrelevant.

  • @ghostanbu1099
    @ghostanbu1099 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Vince must be jumping in joy for the Fetchlands finally getting reprinted

    • @jonlangthorne7924
      @jonlangthorne7924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He’s talked about it in previous recent videos, he’s happy they’re getting reprinted but said it was not what the game needed as they’re still going to be premium priced cards from a premium priced set.
      I don’t see fetch lands becoming cheaper as this set is overpriced as hell.

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jonlangthorne7924 I will be super happy if I am wrong, and it is hard to really tell as this set is so different to anything in the past. I pray the prices come down so as paper Magic returns people can get into Modern.

    • @jamesgratz4771
      @jamesgratz4771 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even proxies for fetch lands can be upwards of 10 dollars lmao. They’re so salivated over that they will never be cheap. Luckily I can get proxies for 3 dollars a pop but I’d rather have the originals. But eh

    • @jonlangthorne7924
      @jonlangthorne7924 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PleasantKenobi I will be too, I have never got into modern because I’m relatively new to Magic and just can’t afford to get into the format. Would love to play with some older stuff.
      I do watch your streams of modern and legacy as they’re good fun and allow me a little window into those worlds. They’ve really helped me be a better player with learning timings and how cards interact so thank you for that, I really enjoy the content 😇 Keep up the great work!

  • @Kaisingsens
    @Kaisingsens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The issue with Rishadan Dockhand is that the merfolk player usually deploys their threats to attack. now you're in the awkward spot to either hit dem with the dockhand and not being able to tax their opponent, or vise versa

  • @almosthonest42
    @almosthonest42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg, that intro was awesome. Im new to it all, and probably buying a mh2 pack, bundle, also looked at commander pack to start. Guess im best going to a shop and seeing the guys playing and collecting. I lean towards collecting for fun

  • @matthewcowles6031
    @matthewcowles6031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Voidwalkers can cast cards exiled with other voidwalkers and that might be too strong

  • @souradeepgoswami4654
    @souradeepgoswami4654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Modern Horizons was 2019, not 2017 :)
    Great video as always, keep it up!

  • @sulmenite6938
    @sulmenite6938 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    $399 nzd for draft box preorders here in New Zealand. That’s almost a weeks rent. Magic can sit on the shelf.

  • @thoreal6587
    @thoreal6587 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favorite thing about Modern Horizons 2 is that the set has built upon many undersupported or overshadowed mechanics. My favorite picks: Amass, Eternalize, and keywords from Guilds of Ravnica

  • @truecrios
    @truecrios 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What's your opinion on the 3rd Mythic card being removed from White, so that Green can have a 4th Mythic? Regardless I think it's still a well designed set with cards for everyone.

  • @forpeanutjelly4323
    @forpeanutjelly4323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think it's better for wotc to bring back the original msrp like before to stop the spiking of the prices for MH2 and future products? I may be wrong since I forgot the reason why they took it out in the first place.

    • @lordgriselbrand4600
      @lordgriselbrand4600 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      they like it better this way, they can charge as much as possible and basically control the floor price through amazon (not saying its good for the consumer)

  • @AbelinVegas
    @AbelinVegas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really enjoyed this video Professor. Your insight into this set in this back and forth conversation is very enlightening.

  • @CyberBuster93
    @CyberBuster93 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    40:27 I'm not sure if the lack of sound for a few seconds was an editing error but either way, it appeared to be an awkward silence while the song in the background kept playing and idk why but it made me laugh uncontrollably lmfao xD

  • @righteousforest5538
    @righteousforest5538 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh my god I was looking at my screen at an angle and I thought the Prof's vest was his hair 😂

  • @SortOfEggish
    @SortOfEggish 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I started playing in 2012 and the game was an expensive hobby. I now make 4x as much money and yet I feel priced out this set except for a handful of singles

  • @omegalazarus
    @omegalazarus 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In reference to Kira and Svyelun and the different automatic counterspell -
    Don't forget WARD only affects enemy spells. So one advantage that word has is you can cash friendly spells on your creatures for no extra cost. Whereas Kira would counter your own GIANT GROWTH-like spell.

  • @MeinNameLol
    @MeinNameLol 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ending got me real good! Thank you

  • @poul4335
    @poul4335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Yay!
    Also, Modern Horizons was June 14th 2019 not 2017, for those of us having a heart attack about exactly how much time has passed

  • @toddbean7582
    @toddbean7582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I really want to draft this set but I cannot reconcile the reality that it is a small box of cardboard for almost 300 dollars. Ill pick up singles that I want that fall below a dollar, otherwise we are switching to proxies for commander nights. I love drafting but I can get a lot of other fun out of this kind of money. A cool set that's not for me I guess.

    • @danacoleman4007
      @danacoleman4007 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sadly I feel like the whole game's going that way

  • @thecmoose4754
    @thecmoose4754 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tide shaper is an Ixalan merfolk. While Rushadan Dockhand is from Dominaria. I like that the art direction is akin to the core sets where cards in the same tribe can be from any of the multiverse planes.

  • @TheBodybag81
    @TheBodybag81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Grief into ephemerate gives me nightmares

    • @TubbyBubbleLove42
      @TubbyBubbleLove42 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't wait for that to happen to me so I can respond by saying "Good grief..."