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  • Short derivation of the lens maker formula using curved surface refraction formula. This formula connects the focal length of a lens to its refractive index & the radii of curvatures. To make the derivation short, we skip using the sign conventions.
    Created by Mahesh Shenoy

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    @saranyaj8643 5 ปีที่แล้ว +80

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    • @saranyaj8643
      @saranyaj8643 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a doubt sir.Will that virtual image be formed in the lens? Because you told that it is in the denser medium.

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    @nandiniagrawal42 ปีที่แล้ว +30

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  • @arvindsivakumar4818
    @arvindsivakumar4818 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    13:03 "Why don't we use sign conventions?" The question none explained you made it easy to understand. Thanks
    Edit: This derivation came in my exam and I got it right. Thank you again. I even wrote why we dont use sign conventions 😅

    • @danielnoah2024
      @danielnoah2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why dont we use that

    • @zelaa6154
      @zelaa6154 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@danielnoah2024tbh we do use sign convention when we derive equations right, all this time, I'd like to think that we have indeed used Cartesian sign convention and measure the lengths from the optical centres in here (since there's two curved surfaces the direction in which we will have to measure distance towards the optical centre differs) and heights of objects and images are not required for this lens maker formula there was no need to change signs at all. So if what he said is true we have to change signs in this formula only when we're solving problems where we measure distance from the objects or images to the optical centre. sorry for this rant >_< I just hope this is how it works

    • @ashwing.p205
      @ashwing.p205 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😅sorry to say I can't understand can u put it simply

    • @GowthamPhysics
      @GowthamPhysics 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Lens makers formula is not derived for a particular type of lens but is derived as general formula valid for any type of lens. Hence sign convention is not followed while deriving Lens maker's formula.

  • @funandmorals2202
    @funandmorals2202 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Nice explanation with diagram.Till now I not understand the lens makers formula but by seeing this video I got a full clarity of lens makers formula . Now I can derive this formula very easily by your explanation.Thank you

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    @user-hk1pb9ml7r 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

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  • @taanisharora5577
    @taanisharora5577 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:28 intuitively, it makes sense for the focus to be at I because thats where the parallel ray would've met the other incident ray after refraction. an interesting observation here that the focus doesn't have any definition other than just a point at which two parallel rays meet after refraction no matter how many times it gets refracted.

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  • @rtsp4800
    @rtsp4800 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn't the ray which passes through F the incident ray? Or is it the refracted ray? Because doesn't the incident ray pass through the focus? Please explain.

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  • @vishank7
    @vishank7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hoping somebody could help me with this one. In the derivation for refraction from a curved surface, we used sign convention to generalize the cases, such that they apply to each and every case(Watch Mahesh sir's vid on the same). But here, we are doing the exact opposite by not using it! Any help would be appreciated😄

    • @rohitptnk03
      @rohitptnk03 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same doubt bro.

    • @ishanrai1227
      @ishanrai1227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Think of sign convention as a way to transform a "general equation" (that work for all cases like say for both concave or convex) into a "specific equation" (whatever situation we have at hand) and vice versa.
      For the curved surface we derive for a specific case right? Then to generalise it we use sign conventions.
      In this derivation we can also use signs. If we do we end up using it twice. Let's see how.
      First we are applying the general curve refraction formula for our specific case, so we need to use signs. (First time).
      Finally after deriving everything, we would have derived the lens makers formula for A SPECIFIC CASE (bi convex lens in our example).
      So to make it a general formula we need to AGAIN apply sign convention. (Second time).
      Applying sign conventions twice is like multiplying with negative 1 twice which has no over all effect on sign. And so to make the process a little less tedious I didn't use signs :)

    • @jayparas7627
      @jayparas7627 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Batau bhaiya???

  • @lrajarathinam
    @lrajarathinam 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What kind of Display Board is this?

  • @MahiMahi-zw5im
    @MahiMahi-zw5im 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Plz clarity my doubt--- when you considered only ane surface of the lens,the parallel incident ray met optical axis beyond the center of curvature after refraction.. But whatever the curved surface(may be 1 curved surface or biconvex) the parallel ray should meet the focus.. Then why it touches optical axis beyond c??

  • @Annanya240
    @Annanya240 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @abdulrahimp1759 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @Differendramovies 4 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @balajothiadithya3144 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @mouneshsanju7898 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

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  • @cherikarengh7312
    @cherikarengh7312 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so we don't have to wirte that lengthy note ?

  • @keshabdeb4767
    @keshabdeb4767 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @lenzlaw3584 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @bharathtej2408
    @bharathtej2408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Iam really confused why the (virtual)object for the second surface is a object in the way it is!!!!

  • @vik0_052
    @vik0_052 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sir can we use this derivation for boards

  • @licmpm1129
    @licmpm1129 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow how did you do that???

  • @swapandas17
    @swapandas17 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why these videos are not in the app?

  • @dr.shilpamathapathi6033
    @dr.shilpamathapathi6033 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we use this method in boards?

  • @koushikr8196
    @koushikr8196 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How it acts as a virtual object

  • @nangsanbhalangblah333
    @nangsanbhalangblah333 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicee.

  • @paramanappukuttan3583
    @paramanappukuttan3583 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thnks

  • @SimratDeol20
    @SimratDeol20 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfect explanation.. Thanks😁

  • @jobinjo279
    @jobinjo279 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tnx

  • @20_SinManya
    @20_SinManya 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why the object isn't placed at infinity instead of some finite distance on the principal axis?

    • @KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish
      @KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can definitely place it at infinity and derive it as well :).

    • @20_SinManya
      @20_SinManya 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish Okay...thank you!

  • @botmanvirusanti
    @botmanvirusanti ปีที่แล้ว

    But the second image should be on the left side of the lens na?

  • @rohitptnk03
    @rohitptnk03 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey in the second surface the object distance is +v.
    Will it not make the formula as n1/f + n2/v.
    Help

    • @thehugibugi8602
      @thehugibugi8602 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here we don't use sign conventions its general formula ...
      U should listen till end ...

  • @piglink10
    @piglink10 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So whats the difference between lens makers equation and thin lens equation?

    • @indiankidtuber3247
      @indiankidtuber3247 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lens maker's equation is used to make a lens when a combination of the focal length, radii, refractive indices are given. Lens equation can tell us the focal length or v or u when a combination of them is given

  • @tanviakhtar1527
    @tanviakhtar1527 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    R2 is supposed to be negative right? Because it is opposite to outgoing light. Someone plz clear it up

  • @sweetyghosh
    @sweetyghosh ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, how can i get pdf of your lecture?? 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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    @agam0167 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That is the most Indian accent

  • @maliktanveer6722
    @maliktanveer6722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    awesome can i use the same in board exams.

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    @minakshithakur8918 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @prakasams529
    @prakasams529 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Then why use sign conventions for the derivation of refraction by curved surfaces

    • @KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish
      @KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish  5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Think of sign convention as a way to transform a "general equation" (that work for all cases like say for both concave or convex) into a "specific equation" (whatever situation we have at hand) and vice versa.
      For the curved surface we derive for a specific case right? Then to generalise it we use sign conventions.
      In this derivation we can also use signs. If we do we end up using it twice. Let's see how.
      First we are applying the general curve refraction formula for our specific case, so we need to use signs. (First time).
      Finally after deriving everything, we would have derived the lens makers formula for A SPECIFIC CASE (bi convex lens in our example).
      So to make it a general formula we need to AGAIN apply sign convention. (Second time).
      Applying sign conventions twice is like multiplying with negative 1 twice which has no over all effect on sign. And so to make the process a little less tedious I didn't use signs :)

    • @nitink9879
      @nitink9879 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish
      If we had used sign coventions at 9:19 it would have been (n1/f) - (n2/v) = (n2 - n1)/ (-R2) .And finally I have to apply sign conventions again to generalise the equation. Am I right sir ?
      And is this the only sign convention that has to be applied to specify the equation for convex lens ? Or is there any other sign conventions to be applied in addition to this ?

    • @niranjan7457
      @niranjan7457 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@KhanAcademyIndiaEnglish Thank you so much. Days' worth of confusion has been cleared in this paragraph!

  • @anupchavan4346
    @anupchavan4346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    8:22 I can’t digest this fact,...

  • @ashishranjan6408
    @ashishranjan6408 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice 👌 video

  • @VG__
    @VG__ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    7:34 🌟

  • @khamisfarid3804
    @khamisfarid3804 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who knows what device is used to make this kind of video?

  • @prishas6151
    @prishas6151 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can someone pls tell me why we didnt use -r2 in the formula

    • @rtsp4800
      @rtsp4800 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did not use sign convention as he later says that this formula is derived for general use and not for specific use. You can later use sign convention while substituting values in numericals.

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    @pink-go7ro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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    @doyoulikepro45 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @samiransaha5739
    @samiransaha5739 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why can't we use normal lens formula to derive lens maker formula

    • @adityanair7342
      @adityanair7342 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because the regular lens formula is derived AFTER you derive this formula.
      The NCERT textbook for class 12 Physics (Volume II) has a neat derivation that hits two birds with the same arrow. The lens maker's formula and the thin lens formula are derived one after the other at one go.

  • @hyderaltamash
    @hyderaltamash 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Angle of incidence is not zero it is 90°
    How ever derivation is good but for those who know some basics

  • @reejaamin9641
    @reejaamin9641 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm not clear about where the starting formulaco.e from