I wonder though, I usually get to 60 k fleets at his point in time, and I am talking fleets, usually 3 to 4 of them and one is easily able to defeat a fallen empire alone. Full Battleships + 20 corvettes that are built for quick rebalancing and full survivability. each takes 3 hits and at the point they are all dead my Battleships can engage. Prethoryn Scourge is way harder to deal with than this if you let it thrive imo.
This is absolutely what made me quit playing RTS in multiplayer, lol. I'd be having a TON of fun building balanced armies, coming up with advanced manuver strats, attacking flanks and organizing an ambush. Then I find out the asshole on the other end of the monitor was just turtling in the base and has nothing but factories and harvesters, has pumped out 200 units when I have 20, and just steam rolls me with no particular finesse. That being so dominant made me realize my playstyle needs to stay in single player. Even my beloved Total War is not immune. I'll never forget the day I rage-quit Shogun 2online after being seriously into the MP for like a week. One guy just made an army with a full 20-unit stack of nothing but swordsmen, then camped a hill in a forest where he's invisible. He killed the couple of probing units I sent easily, meaning he wins when the time runs out, but if he attacks, he loses to my ranged units. Literally the last game of Shogun online I ever played.
I think I had a fleet of 4K attack corvettes that were spamming dodge take on about 13K of fallen empire fleet strength. sent them in on accident and lost 1 corvette in the process of destroying the entire fleet. My fleet had around a 95% dodge ratio...
Corvettes are still viable, even if they don't have perfect dodge, 75 or 50% is still significant. Focus mainly on dodge for small ships, then focus massively on damage for heavy ships and you can pretty much take out anything.
You can revert to 1.0 version in steam settings, you can get Corvettes to over 100% if you're lucky with your evasion commander to get 2 more evasion boosting perks. Hell even Destroyers can get pass 60% evasion like that.
When you vassalize another empire and integrate them,everything, EVERYTHING will become yours and so does their fleet what is now yours... i had 60k fleet, vassalized&integrated two empires and one gave me 30k and other 50k... Vassalization ftw :D
I have around 3000 fleet limit with 350k fleet and im not even playing as militarists, but as megacorporation but this is still not enough as im gonna get rekt by prethoryn
That means every ship you destroy is one less they have to fight you with in the future. And every ship you destroy is one more wreckage for you to get tech from.
Best way(Works with every patch version, from 1.0 to current one) to beat Fallen Empires: Deck out EVERY ship with RED crystal forged plating, shields are not worth it. Use Defensive AI computers. Use Tachyon lances. Use Evasion general. GUARANTEED win. NOTE: This is so broken in 1.0 that you can only use Corvettes and still win in a 1-5 odds fights.
+Heruss Parkes Your face must hurt then. The fleet's sub-optimal, but the guide is about drawing them out. Also I made it on pre-release version, so didn't have as much experience as I do now.
Wow. I'm on my first long playthrough and this was way easier than I thought from from what I gathered from watching this video. I went in with a 62k fleet just for the hell of it. Around 30 vessels of each(corvettes, destroyers, cruisers, battleships) all armed with either tachyon lances and/or devastator torpedos. Now I've taken over all fallen empire territory in my game and have lost 3 battleships and about half my corvettes. And now their economy has boosted my own by 2-3 times.
a guy had a massive empire (lots of planets) but had an overall strength of 45k. he won with a fair number of lossez, but won. you just need a large empire and the ability to replenish your fleet easily to win.
I think i know who you are talking about, if i remember correctly, he used lvl.4 Kinetic, lvl.3 shielding with only cruisers and lower as he was forced into the war due to Tech. The covets (they where the bulk of his force as he had split 1/2/4 Cr/Des/Cor) where set to have a High (40%) dodge and carry one Kinetic+ one LVL1 Point deference. Interestingly enough he was regularly able to take out stacks that technically had ~150% the fleet power of his own
My first experience in this game was angering a fallen empire with a fleet with 300k power who proceeded to steamroll everything in my possession while the AI empires that promised to protect me watched it happen.
Space Poland :) what a name. My nation are called "Attilans" the game gave me it, but I liked it as I was playing a nomadic race of what I call "tech adepts" (I'm using the 40k mods as well so it's all warhammer 40k races) My guys are going to be like a precursor to a Space Marine chapter and forge world type of deal in that people from this Tribe will become a space marine chapter and also set up forge worlds as well (if you don't know 40k lore, you probs don't know what I am talking about, so I apologise)... this game is great how you can just make anything, I'm impressed with the amount of mods already too. (I guess my home world should have been called "Attilia" which would have been sick, but it's called Terra nova at the minute (in game 40k name generator) think I will change it. Cool videos btw, I just like to talk about this game, and none of my friends are into this sort of stuff. This is a bit far in for me right now though I'm only on like 3 worlds, haha. will come back to it. subbed for now anyway. PS: I'm naming my stars after norse heroes and mythology. my first is called Ragnar, 2nd is Bane Of Loki... The star is my home world is called Vagabonarion though, haha. totally made up word.
Corvette spam can take on everything and you don't need the massive spaceports. Once they have 50%+ evasion, you don't need the super range. Right now, corvettes are OP because they are extremely difficult to kill. Evasion is just better armor.
Had a Materialist Awakened Empire declare war on me, had roughly around 100k fleet power against 300k fleet power. My advice? Attack them before they become awakened, otherwise they'll be vastly much more difficult to defeat - at which point you're better off submitting to them and waiting until you grow more powerful and gather more allies. Note that awakened empires will also try to expand outwards via colonization and conquering - if you do plan a war with them or piss them off, prepare yourself, avoid their fleets, and attack planets within their borders to get them off of yours. When they retreat you should target their transport ships to the best of your ability.
I find that battleships loaded down with Kinetic Artillery with a large fleet of sacrificial corvettes work pretty well, especially since FE tend to split up their fleets so you probably won't fight them all at once. Of course, they also don't rebuild ships so you can just chip away at them over several wars.
I disagree with what you said in the video my fleet, and allies' fleets, were composed mostly of corvettes, but they were Corvettes with Gamma Lasers, a single Point Defence, and Disruptors. More inportantly, they were from fleet academy world and had the basic defence computer, while the fleets had an admiral with +15 evasion. The point is that evasion is what corvettes are useful for. Especially against Fallen Empires, corvettes can dodge heavy weapons with some reliability at 60% evasion, sometimes even more with additional upgrades. This means they can make it to the large battleships and overwhelm them. Fallen Empires don't carry small weapons either, just large weapons and missiles that can miss corvettes or be destroyed with accumulated point defence. My fleets were around 15k each and only had three battleships in them maximum.
+Taureor Granted I had allies helping but no one built a lot of Battleships. Corvettes, etc. I did use the same strategy you did, though. Except I would jump INTO systems right on top of them, retreat after some shields were down, etc. They can't rebuild so I used a lot of guerrilla tactics on them.
Yeah, Evasion built corvette spam with either Torpedoes or any type of energy weapons just melt any opposing force. In the case of Fallen Empires, you don't even need to mix in any dedicated point defence corvettes either.
I had 8 fleets each with either 8K or 9-10K strength and 5 vassal fleets with each one being from 3K to 9K strength. I had many corvetes with point defenses and my battleships had mostly the long range large laser cannons and I just steam rolled them with ease especially since one of my vassals (that had the largest fleets of my vassals) had wormhole generators so they sent their reinforcements every minute of the battle. The problem is that everybody in the galaxy now considers me a large threat with it being -400 to -800 influence with most of them. How am I supposed to fend them of I don't know but I'll try.
The strongest composition in the game is only corvettes with maxed out evasion, you can reach more then 70% and additive defensive stats are exponentially better when you get more of them. Then you add a couple of battleships with the large ranged gun and all the different auras because most of your fleet will just chill in the back and not move. All these issues are getting addressed in patch 1.1.0 (Also the most efficient weapon for corvettes is only small lesers and mix in some corvettes with point defense, though you won't need point defense against fallen empires because they all use energy weapons)
I don't know if it was a Nerf or it was due to the "normal" difficulty, but it was easy to beat the fallen empires with three 20k battleship only fleets with tachyon lances. Just kill the fleets one by one, when they attack your worlds. But maybe it is necessary to have a overwhelming 100k fleet if your empire is called Poland ^^. Divide and conquer is about politics not tactics. Maybe you want to read Sun Tsu.
I love to do defensive on my corvettes. They are the front line ships that get first and don't have much range so might die before they even get a chance to fire. So why not increase their chances of surviving by giving them more of a chance to be missed?
evasion is OP. with defensive, max thrusters, evasive leader, and evasive starbase mod, you can be 90% evasive. So that's a 90% damage reduction of non missile damage.
I've just beaten my 3rd fallen empires with roughly 40k worth of ships. They all declared war (the 3rd time I was in the middle of wiping out the Prathorian scourge) as for weapons I had tachyon lances and torpedoes with no shields or armor just the crystal forged stuff that increases hull points. The trick was that they started attacking my areas so I just went straight to their capital systems and they all jumped back, but because they were staggered I was able to wipe them all out. That said I did have vessels and w/o them I certainly would have lost the 3rd brought me down to 10k fleet power thankfully my sentient shrooms came to my aid with something like 20k. That said I was only on normal idk about hard or harder difficulty. TL;DR tachyon, lances, torpedoes, point defense, crystal forged plating, 40-50k fleet, let them attack first, have vassals.
If you still have this save you should try splitting up the fleets and moving them together. Your fleest will overall be much more potent since you will be able to engage all your ships in the battle much faster. I usually split up the fleets to ~50 ships, 25k power. You can bind multiple fleets to a hotkey to make it easier to manage them.
I put lances on my cruisers and destroyers but torpedoes on my battleships along with point defenses, just in case. Feels good watching your fleet just blast the enemy to shreds while they slowly try to get into range.
Interesting. So you're deviding it by ship types? I just put tachyon lances on large slots, torpedos on medium slots and point defenses on small ones. Works just as well. Sometimes enemy fleets don't even survive long enough for my torpedos to reach them.
Beating fallen empires are actually easy to do, its the awakened empires that are the difficult ones, if not impossible. 100k is easy later in the game for me, just spam upgrades for ships as soon as you have all equipment/strat resources researched for your ships, you will definitely pass over the 120k mark with just the upgrades alone
+cripterket Once you understand that they do not build new ships it is easy to outproduce them and just destroy them with corrvetes with 3x small torpedos + max evasion
With Clarke they rebuild destroyed ships (but dont go over their original numbers), and the Corvettes evade has been hit pretty hard. A more mixed fleet well supported by heavier units is the way to go in Clarke. With Clarke Fallen Empires also build armies. Last Invasion I did against an Fallen Empire his world was chock full of troops, about half of which were Gene Warriors.... turned into a right nasty slugfest!
You don't fight a Fallen Empire fleet to fleet. You target there star bases to kill there fleet pop. The'll then get ruined by monthly fleet maintenance cost. Then you fight fleet to fleet. Plasma Torpedoes and Auto Cannons are the way to go.
Well i did wipe out FE with 17k of corvets and detroyers, maybe abit more since i had production of corvets on to replenish the losses. But vs FE i found it quite effective, correvets with small and medium torpedos, shields + defensive computer, destroyers with arc emmiters and small torpedos + defensive computer. FE hits hard but not to often, spliting fleet to bait escorts with PD while the bigger part of fleet starts attacking avatars from rear works very good. Thats done on clark patch.
what i done was sorround the fallen empire and build fortress and stations to hold them back/trap them and build 2 big armies on each side one to the left and to right
How in the hell do you already have that much fleet strength and size of empire only 140 years after the start of the game? I'm about that dame time frame and I only have 30k fleet strength.....
The lances are good against lesser empires, but I prefer the artillery, as AI empires like to spam shields rather than hull and armor points. My late game ships usually are multipurpose with some of both on larger ships.
Would be nice if you could make videos about Stellaris again. I've only started playing it since 2.2 so the old Stellaris seems quite different (No resources such as alloys and unity, can arm battleships with torpedoes etc.).
Battleship is not good against fallen empire according Aspec. Because they are slow, myself tends to use mainly on cruisers and destroyers. I don't even use a single corvette.
What about Arc Emitters type weapon the side grade to Particle/Tachyon Lancers? They have the same range dps but do 50% damage less against shields but have 50% arpen and shield pen. Also perhaps defensive on your corvettes and small ships while taking offensive on the battleships since adding the huge amount of evasion to your little guys would of probably made them dodge a few more lance hits. And you can get admiral with 2% hull regen :D That said I'm sorta sad that the weapon system in Stellaris isn't that balanced, crystal weapons even though they harder to get than some of the standard weapons are the weakest and you should never research them. Late game there are only two viable options for weapons the Arc emitter or the Lancer as the explosive and kinetic weapons either don't have the range or don't have the accuracy respectively to compete with them.
+Zen Avalon They are probably an equivalent choice to torpedos, but not as good as lances in my opinion - not my favourite pick - they ignore 50% shields and armor, I prefer to ignore one of those completely than half of each, they are also pretty random when it comes to damage (1-195 for level 2)
i have issue, so i attacked a fallen empire, although it wasn't the forrunner empire it still had the lost technology on some 25 tile planets, all my ships were torpedo based and for some reason they had a massive fighter squadron that insta killed any missiles or torpedos we shot, is it only the forrunners that dont have fighters and point defense? Or is it just because we were the defenders and they sent in attack navys? my T2 fighters suck ;~;
Huh, well I had one attack me and I lost a war that way. Fortunately they just wanted me to stop the robots and abandon a few planets. After that I came back with the tachyon lances and hyper shields they dropped, and instead of putting out fires across my territory, I just went offensive and crushed all of their fleets, with 20k power in battleships and 2 weak vassals. Obviously the fallen empire I was up against wasn't that strong. Man, I should learn how to play the game next time. Make it easier on that first contact.
The Awakened Empire i have to deal with has grown a single collossal fleet 1 million strong. And 2 and a half fully functional ringworlds. (Fuck me) Is it too late to fight them? Even with these advantages?
what are you talking about I've had 90k strong fleet with mostly long range laser weapons and I had beaten them easly, losing about 20k strenght but whiping out their whole fleet. And I had attacked them head on
Yes that was a ringworld, Beacon of Infinity. My fleet was mainly built of long range cruisers and destroyers equipped with red energy lances (dont remember the name), few batteships equipped with plasma accelerators and gamma lasers (brawlers with low cost energy weapons and very heavy shields), and few other battleships again with energy lances. All the ships were heavy on shields with small energy capacitors fitted, few of them had regeneration system
+Noble That will be particle lances, yes, probably should have mentioned them as an alternative. That explains it because, lances are even better than torpedoes and I'd have used them if I had them at that point. The difference is they are fairly advancd and normal lasers won't do it, just lances, because of the range, so you have to take your research pretty far. With torpedoes you can basically do it with level one torpedoes if you have enough of them.
yes, but I attempted a few weapon setups and basically you need something with range 60 that preferably either pierces shields (torpedos) or armor (lances) to do it effectively, otherwise half of your fleet gets shredded on approach
I’d rather use destroyers with point defense as meat shields while my dreadnaught-class battleship’s tachyon lances shred through my enemy’s fleet, with carrier class ones giving strike craft to support the destroyers, is this a good plan? I’m kind of a noob
Question: Why didn't you use Lances if they are better than torpedos? Did you not have them yet? I'm not disagreeing, Lances are better, I just wanted to know.
Poland in space :). Incredible :). Jesli jestes z Polski to naprawde akcent masz cholera kosmiczny - nigdy takiego miec nie bede :(. And if you have only polish roots - great that you still remember country of your ancestors :)
Great example of the combat that drives me NUTS in this game. When you engage, your ships come to a complete stop and slowly start to spread out. Long range (60+) weapons dominate end-game hands down because you can pick people off while their ships do nothing. They need to fix the game so that ships path properly and charge into combat. My one and only game (1000 stars, 39 empires) was horrible end game. I had multiple fleets of 50k strength Battleships (and only battleships) with 60+ range weapons and nothing could ever get close to me. I found I had to have multiple fleets (rather than 1 big fleet) if I wanted ships to actually attack. I'm pretty sure if you take the fleet you have in this video (100k+ worth of strength) and break it into 4+ smaller fleets you would have had much better success. That's not something you should HAVE to do... the game should work w/o doing this.
Well, in reality it would work in a simillar way, I guess. Not like the ships would get stuck and fly clumsy, but the long range lasers would prevail. The best late-game tactic I found is to create damage-sponge corvettes and destroyers that will protect Lance-Battleships.
if only instead of getting swamped and stuck in the ship mob space could have 4 dimensions and I could go over or under lol but combat is flat so pathfinding is a issue I would like them to improve combat in general land and space.
It's due to AI computers you set and weapons your ships have, battleships with only 60 range and aggressive AI will circle the enemy at 50-70 range, Corvettes with 40 range weapons and aggressive AI will swarm and circle the enemy at 30-50 Range, and since they're the fast they'll go directly through the enemy to get to other side to enclose the circle while slow battleships will go all the way around(But battles are over before they can even start doing that).
I win a fallen empire with 2 fleets of 64 k and the 7 vassals too help me ( my fleet was a mix fleet layzer torpytos ) and my fleet was with half armor and half shield :)
I've always tried to climb the tech tree as quickly as I could (lots of research/engineering facilities). It's clear you didn't need to here. Did you climb by conquest?
Small 100k military strength is like a small loan of a million dollars.
Small loan of a million energy credits
We're going to build a wall! It will be big, it will be beautiful! And the Unbidden will pay for it!
A wall in the fabric of space and time... Cool
It would be interesting to see if the Prethoryn could get past it.
I wonder though, I usually get to 60 k fleets at his point in time, and I am talking fleets, usually 3 to 4 of them and one is easily able to defeat a fallen empire alone. Full Battleships + 20 corvettes that are built for quick rebalancing and full survivability. each takes 3 hits and at the point they are all dead my Battleships can engage. Prethoryn Scourge is way harder to deal with than this if you let it thrive imo.
"A small fleet" - dude, I thought it was insane when I had a 30k fleet!
I fucking shat my pants when the human shard threw a 147k fleet at me!!!
How the hell do you build a fleet that big?!?!
You got to get a huge economy and build spaceports on planet you get and even the ones in ur sector
*cries in getting bodied by a xenophobic fallen empire with over than 4m fleet power*
Best strategy for every RTS:
make shittons of everything and throw it onto your enemies
Soku And they said the imperial guard strategy was a bad one.
Zayed Azam That strategy won the ww2.
Baran Duman Yeah thats the Russian and American strategy. America has a lot of fire power as well as apposed to manpower like the Russians.
American WW2 startegy: Shoot enough artillary until our enemy become only atoms.
This is absolutely what made me quit playing RTS in multiplayer, lol. I'd be having a TON of fun building balanced armies, coming up with advanced manuver strats, attacking flanks and organizing an ambush.
Then I find out the asshole on the other end of the monitor was just turtling in the base and has nothing but factories and harvesters, has pumped out 200 units when I have 20, and just steam rolls me with no particular finesse. That being so dominant made me realize my playstyle needs to stay in single player.
Even my beloved Total War is not immune. I'll never forget the day I rage-quit Shogun 2online after being seriously into the MP for like a week. One guy just made an army with a full 20-unit stack of nothing but swordsmen, then camped a hill in a forest where he's invisible. He killed the couple of probing units I sent easily, meaning he wins when the time runs out, but if he attacks, he loses to my ranged units. Literally the last game of Shogun online I ever played.
Space Poland... gets annexed by Space Reich.
I actually have an Intergalactic Nazi Empire...
Who doesn't? 😄
Moredhel83 Iron Sky Mod?
I think I had a fleet of 4K attack corvettes that were spamming dodge take on about 13K of fallen empire fleet strength. sent them in on accident and lost 1 corvette in the process of destroying the entire fleet. My fleet had around a 95% dodge ratio...
thankfully the clarke patch will fix this OP corvette spam
Nuts! I missed corvette spam!? So much for my rp race...
;-;
Corvettes are still viable, even if they don't have perfect dodge, 75 or 50% is still significant. Focus mainly on dodge for small ships, then focus massively on damage for heavy ships and you can pretty much take out anything.
You can revert to 1.0 version in steam settings, you can get Corvettes to over 100% if you're lucky with your evasion commander to get 2 more evasion boosting perks.
Hell even Destroyers can get pass 60% evasion like that.
with the new nerf to dodge is it still viable?
Just.... JUST 100,000K Military strength.... Jesus....
Literally what I was thinking.
When you vassalize another empire and integrate them,everything, EVERYTHING will become yours and so does their fleet what is now yours... i had 60k fleet, vassalized&integrated two empires and one gave me 30k and other 50k... Vassalization ftw :D
i am setting up a small defense force do you thinl 1M is enough
currently using a 200k fleet consisting of 120 battleships :3
I have around 3000 fleet limit with 350k fleet and im not even playing as militarists, but as megacorporation but this is still not enough as im gonna get rekt by prethoryn
Biggest tip to beat the fallen empire, they do not build replacement ships. Most of you should be able to do a lot with that information.
That means every ship you destroy is one less they have to fight you with in the future. And every ship you destroy is one more wreckage for you to get tech from.
Best way(Works with every patch version, from 1.0 to current one) to beat Fallen Empires:
Deck out EVERY ship with RED crystal forged plating, shields are not worth it.
Use Defensive AI computers.
Use Tachyon lances.
Use Evasion general.
GUARANTEED win.
NOTE: This is so broken in 1.0 that you can only use Corvettes and still win in a 1-5 odds fights.
Reminds me of the game Panzer General and the free T-34 Tank Bug
Zerg Rush those Nazis!
Ok so Lure them into territory and then turn on desperate measures to eliminate them?
Poland cannot into space.
Put Space Poland can into space!
*Monocle pops out and spits out tea*
But...but Poland cannot into space!....
Believe me lad, I spilled my tea as well.
Lubię przestrzeń
>Click guide.
>See 116k fleet as "strategy" to take on a Fallen Empire.
>Facepalm the sledgehammer.
+Heruss Parkes Your face must hurt then. The fleet's sub-optimal, but the guide is about drawing them out. Also I made it on pre-release version, so didn't have as much experience as I do now.
Poland can't into space.
^^
Lies!
Piland can into everything! Except roads....
So it seems Poland actually can into space after all.
we always could
Wow. I'm on my first long playthrough and this was way easier than I thought from from what I gathered from watching this video. I went in with a 62k fleet just for the hell of it. Around 30 vessels of each(corvettes, destroyers, cruisers, battleships) all armed with either tachyon lances and/or devastator torpedos. Now I've taken over all fallen empire territory in my game and have lost 3 battleships and about half my corvettes. And now their economy has boosted my own by 2-3 times.
Destroy fallen empire ship
Learn Tachyon Lances
CRUSH THEM WITH YOUR NEW AND IMPROVED FLEET
cant you research Tachyon Lances on your own if you really want them?
yeah but it's slower.
Everyone gangsta until the fallen empire pulls up with a 344k attack moon. (Modded)
a guy had a massive empire (lots of planets) but had an overall strength of 45k. he won with a fair number of lossez, but won. you just need a large empire and the ability to replenish your fleet easily to win.
I think i know who you are talking about, if i remember correctly, he used lvl.4 Kinetic, lvl.3 shielding with only cruisers and lower as he was forced into the war due to Tech. The covets (they where the bulk of his force as he had split 1/2/4 Cr/Des/Cor) where set to have a High (40%) dodge and carry one Kinetic+ one LVL1 Point deference. Interestingly enough he was regularly able to take out stacks that technically had ~150% the fleet power of his own
What was his name?
+Occupational Hazard
Enter Elysium
+Braylan Black knew it
+Braylan Black his name is sung throughout the entire Empire! hail elysium!!!!
Poland Stronk. Can into Space. :D
My first experience in this game was angering a fallen empire with a fleet with 300k power who proceeded to steamroll everything in my possession while the AI empires that promised to protect me watched it happen.
"a quick guide"
I had a fallen empire attack me with a fleet strength of 123k, I was like 6 years into the game lol.
Did you colonise a holy world?
He needs to make a new one, everything about the game here has changed.
update...how about again
6:08 "Ah, the Polish. Have you come for our guidance?"
I don't know why, but I had to pause the video because of how hard I was laughing.
I'm screwed I just had a fallen empire declare war on me and my strongest fleet is 400 fleet power while theres is 100k help pls
Mine is 4k but same 😭 RIP us
@@davecrupel2817 i took 10 months, but thats better than most fleets but i can help with my 180k fleets!
Space polen? The scourge is now Czechoslovakia and the hunters following them is now a man with a funny moustache.
I'm fairly new to this game. This will definitely help me out in the future, thanks!
You know you're in the late game stage when you make a garden world.
Space Poland :) what a name.
My nation are called "Attilans" the game gave me it, but I liked it as I was playing a nomadic race of what I call "tech adepts" (I'm using the 40k mods as well so it's all warhammer 40k races) My guys are going to be like a precursor to a Space Marine chapter and forge world type of deal in that people from this Tribe will become a space marine chapter and also set up forge worlds as well (if you don't know 40k lore, you probs don't know what I am talking about, so I apologise)... this game is great how you can just make anything, I'm impressed with the amount of mods already too. (I guess my home world should have been called "Attilia" which would have been sick, but it's called Terra nova at the minute (in game 40k name generator) think I will change it.
Cool videos btw, I just like to talk about this game, and none of my friends are into this sort of stuff. This is a bit far in for me right now though I'm only on like 3 worlds, haha. will come back to it. subbed for now anyway.
PS: I'm naming my stars after norse heroes and mythology. my first is called Ragnar, 2nd is Bane Of Loki... The star is my home world is called Vagabonarion though, haha. totally made up word.
''quick guide''
you call that quick?
well it's quick for me, I like to talk
This or read about the equivalent half of war and peace or watch the video.
A Ring world? never heard of it
Joshua Alexander Pretty sure they're coming out in the next update
Corvette spam can take on everything and you don't need the massive spaceports. Once they have 50%+ evasion, you don't need the super range. Right now, corvettes are OP because they are extremely difficult to kill. Evasion is just better armor.
will get nerfed
Had a Materialist Awakened Empire declare war on me, had roughly around 100k fleet power against 300k fleet power. My advice? Attack them before they become awakened, otherwise they'll be vastly much more difficult to defeat - at which point you're better off submitting to them and waiting until you grow more powerful and gather more allies. Note that awakened empires will also try to expand outwards via colonization and conquering - if you do plan a war with them or piss them off, prepare yourself, avoid their fleets, and attack planets within their borders to get them off of yours. When they retreat you should target their transport ships to the best of your ability.
I find that battleships loaded down with Kinetic Artillery with a large fleet of sacrificial corvettes work pretty well, especially since FE tend to split up their fleets so you probably won't fight them all at once.
Of course, they also don't rebuild ships so you can just chip away at them over several wars.
i have a game in 2459 year and my naval capacity is only 234 and i have 9 planets and i cant figure out how to increase my naval capacity
Plamen Simeonov build spaceport on each and upgrade them all the way, certain techs help as well
I disagree with what you said in the video my fleet, and allies' fleets, were composed mostly of corvettes, but they were Corvettes with Gamma Lasers, a single Point Defence, and Disruptors. More inportantly, they were from fleet academy world and had the basic defence computer, while the fleets had an admiral with +15 evasion. The point is that evasion is what corvettes are useful for. Especially against Fallen Empires, corvettes can dodge heavy weapons with some reliability at 60% evasion, sometimes even more with additional upgrades. This means they can make it to the large battleships and overwhelm them. Fallen Empires don't carry small weapons either, just large weapons and missiles that can miss corvettes or be destroyed with accumulated point defence. My fleets were around 15k each and only had three battleships in them maximum.
+Alexander 15k? It's hard to believe, I'll have to try it then.
+Taureor Granted I had allies helping but no one built a lot of Battleships. Corvettes, etc. I did use the same strategy you did, though. Except I would jump INTO systems right on top of them, retreat after some shields were down, etc. They can't rebuild so I used a lot of guerrilla tactics on them.
Yeah, Evasion built corvette spam with either Torpedoes or any type of energy weapons just melt any opposing force. In the case of Fallen Empires, you don't even need to mix in any dedicated point defence corvettes either.
I had 8 fleets each with either 8K or 9-10K strength and 5 vassal fleets with each one being from 3K to 9K strength. I had many corvetes with point defenses and my battleships had mostly the long range large laser cannons and I just steam rolled them with ease especially since one of my vassals (that had the largest fleets of my vassals) had wormhole generators so they sent their reinforcements every minute of the battle.
The problem is that everybody in the galaxy now considers me a large threat with it being -400 to -800 influence with most of them. How am I supposed to fend them of I don't know but I'll try.
The strongest composition in the game is only corvettes with maxed out evasion, you can reach more then 70% and additive defensive stats are exponentially better when you get more of them. Then you add a couple of battleships with the large ranged gun and all the different auras because most of your fleet will just chill in the back and not move. All these issues are getting addressed in patch 1.1.0 (Also the most efficient weapon for corvettes is only small lesers and mix in some corvettes with point defense, though you won't need point defense against fallen empires because they all use energy weapons)
I don't know if it was a Nerf or it was due to the "normal" difficulty, but it was easy to beat the fallen empires with three 20k battleship only fleets with tachyon lances. Just kill the fleets one by one, when they attack your worlds.
But maybe it is necessary to have a overwhelming 100k fleet if your empire is called Poland ^^.
Divide and conquer is about politics not tactics. Maybe you want to read Sun Tsu.
"ITS A TRAP!!!" -Random Fallen Empire Admiral
Tech tree at 19:22. He hasn't researched Engineering Facility I at this stage of the game.
Didn't need it
I love to do defensive on my corvettes. They are the front line ships that get first and don't have much range so might die before they even get a chance to fire. So why not increase their chances of surviving by giving them more of a chance to be missed?
evasion is OP. with defensive, max thrusters, evasive leader, and evasive starbase mod, you can be 90% evasive. So that's a 90% damage reduction of non missile damage.
I've just beaten my 3rd fallen empires with roughly 40k worth of ships. They all declared war (the 3rd time I was in the middle of wiping out the Prathorian scourge) as for weapons I had tachyon lances and torpedoes with no shields or armor just the crystal forged stuff that increases hull points. The trick was that they started attacking my areas so I just went straight to their capital systems and they all jumped back, but because they were staggered I was able to wipe them all out. That said I did have vessels and w/o them I certainly would have lost the 3rd brought me down to 10k fleet power thankfully my sentient shrooms came to my aid with something like 20k. That said I was only on normal idk about hard or harder difficulty.
TL;DR tachyon, lances, torpedoes, point defense, crystal forged plating, 40-50k fleet, let them attack first, have vassals.
If you still have this save you should try splitting up the fleets and moving them together. Your fleest will overall be much more potent since you will be able to engage all your ships in the battle much faster. I usually split up the fleets to ~50 ships, 25k power. You can bind multiple fleets to a hotkey to make it easier to manage them.
yes, but then they don't get admiral bonuses, or you need more admirals
I put lances on my cruisers and destroyers but torpedoes on my battleships along with point defenses, just in case.
Feels good watching your fleet just blast the enemy to shreds while they slowly try to get into range.
Interesting. So you're deviding it by ship types?
I just put tachyon lances on large slots, torpedos on medium slots and point defenses on small ones. Works just as well. Sometimes enemy fleets don't even survive long enough for my torpedos to reach them.
Beating fallen empires are actually easy to do, its the awakened empires that are the difficult ones, if not impossible. 100k is easy later in the game for me, just spam upgrades for ships as soon as you have all equipment/strat resources researched for your ships, you will definitely pass over the 120k mark with just the upgrades alone
I just defeated a fallen empire who declared on me with a 30k stack of mostly destroyers so i feel like you're overcompensating a bit
+cripterket Once you understand that they do not build new ships it is easy to outproduce them and just destroy them with corrvetes with 3x small torpedos + max evasion
+Кирил Желязков Correction. They do not build new ships* *unless you're using claire
With Clarke they rebuild destroyed ships (but dont go over their original numbers), and the Corvettes evade has been hit pretty hard. A more mixed fleet well supported by heavier units is the way to go in Clarke.
With Clarke Fallen Empires also build armies. Last Invasion I did against an Fallen Empire his world was chock full of troops, about half of which were Gene Warriors.... turned into a right nasty slugfest!
I was cautious
Fallen empires can vary in strength
You see mmm to mmm fight the mmm fallen mmm empires mmm...
Corvette life's matters
Meat shields! Well, metal
Space Poland: Refusing space refugees since 2153.
What is this Corvette dodge spam? Every corvette I've made, in every game got eaten up like spam.
Fallen empires are easy to kill these days. Battle ship fleets with arc lightning and cloud lightning.
Poland can into galaxy
Space Polant. hahahaha. Are they stealing ships?
they are stealing planets and systems
Space Poland?
You wouldn't think Poland would be the nation to lead the space program xD
Poland cannot into space
you do know one of armstrong's crewmates was polish
wasnt that guy ukrainian
Invader Naj Same thing. Mohahaha, no, just kidding
You don't fight a Fallen Empire fleet to fleet. You target there star bases to kill there fleet pop. The'll then get ruined by monthly fleet maintenance cost. Then you fight fleet to fleet. Plasma Torpedoes and Auto Cannons are the way to go.
Well i did wipe out FE with 17k of corvets and detroyers, maybe abit more since i had production of corvets on to replenish the losses. But vs FE i found it quite effective, correvets with small and medium torpedos, shields + defensive computer, destroyers with arc emmiters and small torpedos + defensive computer. FE hits hard but not to often, spliting fleet to bait escorts with PD while the bigger part of fleet starts attacking avatars from rear works very good. Thats done on clark patch.
what i done was sorround the fallen empire and build fortress and stations to hold them back/trap them and build 2 big armies on each side one to the left and to right
will not work with the new update and them rebuilding fleets
How in the hell do you already have that much fleet strength and size of empire only 140 years after the start of the game? I'm about that dame time frame and I only have 30k fleet strength.....
The lances are good against lesser empires, but I prefer the artillery, as AI empires like to spam shields rather than hull and armor points. My late game ships usually are multipurpose with some of both on larger ships.
i like lances, all ships have armor, I think a battleship has around 20% basic armor
That fleet is glorious. Mine is roughly 1/16th its size.
I’m here from 3.0 and I can’t fucking find a modern guide so I came here
Taureor - 2340 year and Space Poland so Stronk!
Do you remember starting conditions? Number of empires, advanced starts and AI difficulty?
I think everything was on normal and no advanced starts, around twenty AI's
>Ring of Stability
>broken when you get there
Stable doesn't mean "working" :P
kinda like my parents relationship
That’s cool and all but now we stuck with alloy
I spawned right next to one. He got mad at me and demanded tribute. I told him to pull up. He did and I have nothing now.
i literally lol
I had a 600k fleet power as a DE ready to smash the fallen empire...
_then the fallen empire awakened_
Space Poland
Very good. Thank you.
Would be nice if you could make videos about Stellaris again. I've only started playing it since 2.2 so the old Stellaris seems quite different (No resources such as alloys and unity, can arm battleships with torpedoes etc.).
Battleship is not good against fallen empire according Aspec. Because they are slow, myself tends to use mainly on cruisers and destroyers. I don't even use a single corvette.
I’m in the same position as you. This helped a lot,
So this entire guide is basically "Have a stronger military fleet" and "try not to engage all of their fleet at once"?..
What about Arc Emitters type weapon the side grade to Particle/Tachyon Lancers?
They have the same range dps but do 50% damage less against shields but have 50% arpen and shield pen.
Also perhaps defensive on your corvettes and small ships while taking offensive on the battleships since adding the huge amount of evasion to your little guys would of probably made them dodge a few more lance hits.
And you can get admiral with 2% hull regen :D
That said I'm sorta sad that the weapon system in Stellaris isn't that balanced, crystal weapons even though they harder to get than some of the standard weapons are the weakest and you should never research them.
Late game there are only two viable options for weapons the Arc emitter or the Lancer as the explosive and kinetic weapons either don't have the range or don't have the accuracy respectively to compete with them.
+Zen Avalon They are probably an equivalent choice to torpedos, but not as good as lances in my opinion - not my favourite pick - they ignore 50% shields and armor, I prefer to ignore one of those completely than half of each, they are also pretty random when it comes to damage (1-195 for level 2)
Enjoyed the video! Keep it up.
thanks!
the lesson I learned is that a 1,000,000 point fleet overwhelms my computer and makes the game unplayable
i have issue, so i attacked a fallen empire, although it wasn't the forrunner empire it still had the lost technology on some 25 tile planets, all my ships were torpedo based and for some reason they had a massive fighter squadron that insta killed any missiles or torpedos we shot, is it only the forrunners that dont have fighters and point defense? Or is it just because we were the defenders and they sent in attack navys? my T2 fighters suck ;~;
how do you get such a high naval capacity
Research and starbases
Holy shit! Poland really can into space! Poland stronk! :O
Not all fallen empires use lances, some use kinetic artillery , you can see by their damage type
Huh, well I had one attack me and I lost a war that way. Fortunately they just wanted me to stop the robots and abandon a few planets. After that I came back with the tachyon lances and hyper shields they dropped, and instead of putting out fires across my territory, I just went offensive and crushed all of their fleets, with 20k power in battleships and 2 weak vassals. Obviously the fallen empire I was up against wasn't that strong.
Man, I should learn how to play the game next time. Make it easier on that first contact.
The Awakened Empire i have to deal with has grown a single collossal fleet 1 million strong. And 2 and a half fully functional ringworlds. (Fuck me)
Is it too late to fight them? Even with these advantages?
what are you talking about I've had 90k strong fleet with mostly long range laser weapons and I had beaten them easly, losing about 20k strenght but whiping out their whole fleet. And I had attacked them head on
+Noble Was that a ringworld? Fallen empires without ringworlds are significantly weaker. Also what was your fleet composition?
Yes that was a ringworld, Beacon of Infinity. My fleet was mainly built of long range cruisers and destroyers equipped with red energy lances (dont remember the name), few batteships equipped with plasma accelerators and gamma lasers (brawlers with low cost energy weapons and very heavy shields), and few other battleships again with energy lances. All the ships were heavy on shields with small energy capacitors fitted, few of them had regeneration system
+Noble That will be particle lances, yes, probably should have mentioned them as an alternative. That explains it because, lances are even better than torpedoes and I'd have used them if I had them at that point. The difference is they are fairly advancd and normal lasers won't do it, just lances, because of the range, so you have to take your research pretty far. With torpedoes you can basically do it with level one torpedoes if you have enough of them.
To be fair, you can do it if you have enough anything ;)
yes, but I attempted a few weapon setups and basically you need something with range 60 that preferably either pierces shields (torpedos) or armor (lances) to do it effectively, otherwise half of your fleet gets shredded on approach
I’d rather use destroyers with point defense as meat shields while my dreadnaught-class battleship’s tachyon lances shred through my enemy’s fleet, with carrier class ones giving strike craft to support the destroyers, is this a good plan? I’m kind of a noob
nice guide but one qustion: why Space Poland?
TankedPrune5 Cuz he is from Poland?
+Rainbow Dash maybe... but his accent doesnt sound polish for me.... but nice try
+TankedPrune5 newer mind i just checked
+Rainbow Dash Yup
+Taureor taaa widziałem drugi kanał :)
Question: Why didn't you use Lances if they are better than torpedos? Did you not have them yet? I'm not disagreeing, Lances are better, I just wanted to know.
I don't think he had them yet, but he sure would after researching that fleet debris.
Poland in space :). Incredible :). Jesli jestes z Polski to naprawde akcent masz cholera kosmiczny - nigdy takiego miec nie bede :(. And if you have only polish roots - great that you still remember country of your ancestors :)
I'm Polish. Learning is fun :p
+Taureor pfff Poland in space ... well a man can dream
for me I had keeper of knowledge and I think they went to countless war and weakened to the point that I can execute them
Great example of the combat that drives me NUTS in this game. When you engage, your ships come to a complete stop and slowly start to spread out. Long range (60+) weapons dominate end-game hands down because you can pick people off while their ships do nothing.
They need to fix the game so that ships path properly and charge into combat.
My one and only game (1000 stars, 39 empires) was horrible end game. I had multiple fleets of 50k strength Battleships (and only battleships) with 60+ range weapons and nothing could ever get close to me. I found I had to have multiple fleets (rather than 1 big fleet) if I wanted ships to actually attack.
I'm pretty sure if you take the fleet you have in this video (100k+ worth of strength) and break it into 4+ smaller fleets you would have had much better success.
That's not something you should HAVE to do... the game should work w/o doing this.
Well, in reality it would work in a simillar way, I guess. Not like the ships would get stuck and fly clumsy, but the long range lasers would prevail.
The best late-game tactic I found is to create damage-sponge corvettes and destroyers that will protect Lance-Battleships.
There's mods that fix this.
Shouldn't have to use mods for a core feature of the game. They just need to improve ship/fleet pathing, AI, and formations.
if only instead of getting swamped and stuck in the ship mob space could have 4 dimensions and I could go over or under lol but combat is flat so pathfinding is a issue I would like them to improve combat in general land and space.
It's due to AI computers you set and weapons your ships have, battleships with only 60 range and aggressive AI will circle the enemy at 50-70 range, Corvettes with 40 range weapons and aggressive AI will swarm and circle the enemy at 30-50 Range, and since they're the fast they'll go directly through the enemy to get to other side to enclose the circle while slow battleships will go all the way around(But battles are over before they can even start doing that).
Thanks for this.
I win a fallen empire with 2 fleets of 64 k and the 7 vassals too help me ( my fleet was a mix fleet layzer torpytos ) and my fleet was with half armor and half shield :)
how is this a THIRTY FIVE MINUTE video? o_O
That's longer than it takes to actually defeat the fallen empire.
That's because I like to talk
I've beaten an empire, but they won't surrender. Any tips?
Then I don't have enough power to defeat a Fallen Empire, I only own 4/10 of a ring galaxy, with two vassals, and five annexed empires.
My Transport Fleet has a strength of 1K :)
Sounds useless
rude
Space Poland?!
FOR REAL!
I'm pole...
I think it is a bit funny that at year 2342 you only just get engineering facility I 27:36
Holy shit! You even make stellaris?!
What is a death stack? and how are your fleets in that triangular formation
the corverts are good for use as cannon fodder
i tried fighting reconquers with 1M fleet power using 1.4M fleet power, it just lagged out >_
best army are the gen-super soldiers with xeno cavallery
"mmmmmmm"
mmmmm?
I've always tried to climb the tech tree as quickly as I could (lots of research/engineering facilities). It's clear you didn't need to here. Did you climb by conquest?
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