Friendship and Virtue: Seeing the Good in Others w/ Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. & Prof. Michael Pakaluk

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Join Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. of Aquinas 101, Godsplaining, and Pints with Aquinas for an off-campus conversation with Prof. Michael Pakaluk about what we can learn from Aristotle about friendship and virtue in the classical tradition, how the family helps children grow in virtue, why it's important to bear with others patiently, the healing power of sacrifice and forgiveness, and the role of natural law in social unions.
Friendship and Virtue: Seeing the Good in Others w/ Fr. Gregory Pine, O.P. & Prof. Michael Pakaluk (Off-Campus Conversations)
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[@aiantenor9080]

Healing in the context of friendship, Fr Pine, has been made manifest in my life. I had bad temper before but because of the loving patience of my best friend, I went to become not wanting to hurt someone who've put up with me all these years and still want to continue to be friends with me. All these by the grace of God.

[@carrlafleurfam]

Just coming out of a week long TOB course, and a fair amount of these topics and themes came up. Good to hear them extended a bit into this discussion on virtue and seeing others. Quite timely. Glory to God!

[@allenm2705]

Dope

[@DoubleOhSilver]

The guest is way off about justice. Justice IS love, it does not get in the way of love nor is it self centered. Where is the self centeredness in not charging a criminal for killing an innocent foreigner? By his definition, since justice is self centered, the dead man (who nobody knew) is no longer around to be self centered, so how is justice (charging the murderer) self centered? I can't believe he wasn't corrected for this.
What he described is vengeance. Which is obviously self centered and prideful.
By his logic, I can only assume he thinks mercy is for anyone and everyone without contingency. That's simply not true. Mercy is for the repentent. We see this in the Bible.
What everyone falls for these days is presumption. They think forgiveness can be given/taken without change. We are called to change, to repent, and that is when we experience true mercy.

[@mariac4602]

But remember, Christ showed us mercy while we were still sinners. This is the incredible mercy of God-so incomprehensible to our weak self-seeking desires. I understand that you are desiring justice for serious crimes, and that is fair. But this discussion is reaching beyond human systems of law and order -which are necessary in our broken world - but are not the final Word.

[@DoubleOhSilver]

​@@mariac4602
Well first, we are talking about human implementation of justice. We can't just extend mercy carelessly. We can't say that we can't exact perfect justice yet believe we can exact perfect mercy.
Secondly, that is only extended to those who don't know what they did was wrong. Otherwise, it is called mortal sin and we are called to repent to be forgiven. When we don't, that is when it might become obstinacy in sin, or even presumption.