It has to be unconscious to be unconscious bias. She is just a racist and hates white people. I bet she is angry because she exists in a country built off of the backs and blood of white people. She should move to America, she fit right in with the race grifters there.
@@marcel-jt3dyYou mean jealously loool, none of these people attacking her argument just her sign she is right and they insecure and hate hearing the truth so attack her instead to feel better changes nothing she said
She would! Fact! When this case started there were people the same colour as Letby saying she was innocent! As if they were in the same room. Ridiculous!
I can honestly say when young, living near Southall, having Asian; Black; Irish & Caribbean neighbours never worried me. The older I get the more I don't like seeing and hearing abuse of our country. Is that racist??? IMO the female guest has a chip on her shoulder.🤷♀️
No it's not. Institutions literally require Critical Race Theory to be taught. That's racism. And they literally reported a woman being sacked for refusing to go ahead.
I am afraid I can't think of a single black nurse who has been jailed for killing patients in the UK. I can name several white ones (both male and female) who have been accused alongside those who have been found guilty. I would suggest that she directs her comments towards praising the skills and integrity of the nurses she claims to represent. And when has it been considered acceptable journalism to allow someone to voice an opinion on a national news channel without calling on them to provide facts in support?
That's because black people aren't investigated for crimes anymore. The police was told not to investigate the black grooming gangs of london and manchester because to do so would be racist.
@@Beauloqs where are the facts based on your assumptions? Any suspects? Any cases? It's obvious that white Brits kill more people than other races in this country.
Yes basically she didn't 'get away with it' and this does look like she has been wrongly convicted. We have just seen, with the blood scandal, that the NHS and Government will conspire with the Courts, to wrongfully convict innocent people to cover their own mistakes.
I looked at the evidence, it is extremely poor that the court did not take into account the very poor medical care given. The state of the unit, the RCPCH report. There was so much evidence that Lucy Letby was hung drawn and quartered.
No, the insulin injection could have ONLY come from an external source...somebody definitely did inject insulin into the baby and that was Lucy Letby. The doctor saw that she purposely did not give treatment to a baby...but when Lucy noticed that the doctor was looking at her, she panicked and quickly gave the life saving apparatus back into the baby. There are so many pieces of evidence that show that Lucy Letby was the killer. Not only that...the police are saying that she killed in previous hospitals she worked in. Your 17 upvoters are losers. After she was fired from hospital, the death rate of babies dramatically dropped...since she was the serial baby murderer. It is 100 percent a fact that Lucy Letby murdered those babies.
@@run2cat4run - and a lot of babies died who were not under her care. Leave to appeal must be granted as the evidence overall is unsatisfactory. I'm not saying she's innocent, but the Court of Appeal must review the evidence.
If the evidence presented wasn’t accurate, why didn’t her defence team raise that? She’s guilty. Accept it. The woman didn’t cry for the dead babies and the deaths significantly reduced once she was gone.
The second main reason for a retrial is because her 'defense' made no attempt to defend her!! Why should she cry about deaths she had no part in? The deaths stopped when they finally fixed the leaking sewage pipework above the ward...
Right?! It would have been very convincing if the defense could have produced a chart to say "Between X date and X date, there were 17 deaths in total. Of these, X deaths were expected and explainable whilst Y deaths were not. Of the Y deaths that were not, Lucy waa not present for Z of them and not just come off a shift. Even with the babies who survived, Lucy wasn't there when Children deteriorated. She was on night shift later AFTER it happened or on annual leave etc so there is a total lack of correlation." Something as basic as this could have stopped her going to prison for LIFE... You don't think the defence or even family and friends would have had this idea and used it if there was evidence in her favour that they could have provided?
@danswhite8544 What did the 'eye witnesses' see...her at work? so you have seen pics of Letby with her hands around an infants neck...I dont think so. 'Blunt force trauma' opinion! Insulin? there was NO evidence that ANY insulin was EVER used. Air injected?? but no proof!! 'over feeding' again completely subjective. Letby was only present for 8 out of 15 deaths, there is NO direct evidence that ANY of the deaths were not natural........
Unfortunately the Judge was non medical and directed the jury to ignore basically most if not all of the sub optimal care which he said would have no effect on the case, whereas each and every failing in care I shall not list they are out there for people to see could and did effect the outcome. As soon as I read the clinical failings I knew she was innocent.
As was the air and milk, also found to have been injected. Plus there was the infant who had signs of a sharp instrument having been pushed down it's throat, which caused massive blood loss. The child later died. Letby was the *only* nurse present on the ward. If she says didn't do any of this, then how come didn't see who did?
@@Brian-om2hh NOTHING was found to have been injected, nothing. As for infants have their throats cut, its utter dribble. As I said NO evidence was presented that ANY unnatural deaths occurred...
What he says about 17 actual deaths is unreal. The people out to get her made sure to cherry pick thing's only she could be put in that space and time.
Let's face it some people are only protesting her innocence because she's a woman. If she were a male nurse called Luke Letby no one would be defending him. And I'm saying this as a woman.
People are protesting it because of the nature of the circumstantial evidence. They really didn't have much to go on in the way of proof and any individual case would have been laughed out of court.
@@maxdecimus13 But my point is if this were a male nurse no one would care. They wouldn't have the same passion and energy for the situation. Everyone would just condemn him as guilty and that would be that.
@AuroraReid-iu3ou I think the vast majority see Letby as guilty. The reality is that Letby doesn't fit the profile of a serial murderer, who btw are far more likely to be men. People probably would be more likely to accept it if it was a man for this reason alone. The suspicion comes from the scant level of evidence. After studying it in great detail, I'm happy enough that she is likely guilty but we're only looking at 80/20 IMO.
In episode it was quoted in the trial Dr Evans opinion. IF this is the 'expert' from Wales who touted his services to the Chester Hospital AND had never worked with Neonatals, so what good is his opinion
My heart goes out to the parents of the child being forced to go through the trauma again. My only wish is that the law is changed so that this vile monster has to be there in person to get rejected at the sentencing.
There is no proof that any baby was murdered. There's certainly no proof that Lucy did anything wrong. Quite possibly, these parents have been put through unnecessary hell. The autopsy reports showed their children had died of natural causes. The POLICE caused all this trauma by telling them that they were in fact murdered. There is no proof of any crime. What if Lucy is an innocent nurse. Just think what she and the parents of the babies have been put through if, as many experts in the field believe, the babies died of natural causes.
This was poor reporting on behalf of this channel. There will not be a retrial for the things she is already convicted of. The prosecution have ordered a retrial for one of the cases which could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt at the time. It is for the benefit of the grieving parents who want to see justice done in relation to the death of their baby. Lucy will stay in prison for the rest of her life anyway. I think the programme was arguing that maybe because of all the media coverage of the original trial it will be hard to find jury members who have not read or heard about the case, and so the outcome of this retrial regarding the one baby which did not get proved beyond reasonable doubt will already be decided in their own minds.
@@shweefranglais7900 Considering no real evidence of guilt was presented in her first trial not even that any unlawful killing took place there is a very good chance her appeal will result in a proper retrial of ALL original charges...
Yeah but what she's saying is fallacious as its an appeal to the unknown. She doesn't know how this trial would have played out had Letby been black and she's making unproven assumption
@@danharte6645 It is obvious that more people would have found it more easily digestible to think that Lucy Letby was the murderer if she was black compared to if Lucy Letby was white, blonde and had rich parents. A similar thing happened with a black (I think she was a recent immigrant to the UK) Paediatrician called Bawa Garba (sorry her full name is not coming to my mind, the case was a while ago)...she was a Paediatrician that tried her best and the Consultants were hardly anywhere to be seen and the machines were a mess and the hospital lighting was a mess and she had to do the impossible job of looking after a lot of patients (that weren't hers) and she hardly had any help when the Consultants should have helped out at that time...therefore there were patients that died. The justice system was wanting to give a harsh judgement on her...even though she did nothing wrong and even though she was a good doctor. It was only after some doctors and medical professionals protested in favour of her that the judgment went to Bawa Garba's favour. I think that if Bawa Garba was a white British non-immigrant citizen of the UK...she would have been treated more fairly. I do not agree with what the black lady in the video says all the time...and sometimes she is hung up too much on skin colour and race/ethnicity...but it is a fact that sometimes there are places like the Police Force and the justice system where non-whites are treated more unfairly than white people.
this is not a miscarriage of justice I am so sick of hearing this, cases can be concluded on circumstantial evidence as long as there is enough of it, it happens all the time, the evidence being circumstantial does not mean she is innocent! It's terrifying to think as long as there's no physical evidence that a killer will just walk free every time because of defence lawyers without morals
This is certainly a miscarriage of justice as there is no real evidence Lucy did anything wrong. The trial was a witch hunt with opinion after opinion masquerading as evidence. The case should never have been bought to trial and the "experts" should have been ripped to pieces on the witness stand as being woefully out of their depth and engaging in wildly unsupported speculation. Frankly it reeks of cover up for clinical failures at the hospital
You genuinely believe there's enough "evidence" to show that she killed those children? What if that was you in her shoes, but you knew you hadn't done anything wrong, just like her "diary" said?
@@paulrichards6894 how has he made you confused? He didn't say anything new. If you know enough about the case to have an opinion about her guilt, you wouldn't have been confused by someone saying "but there isn't actually any evidence." There isn't. There never was.
Lucy had souvenirs from her victims stuffed into bags under her bed. She confessed with ‘I did this’ on those scraps of paper! Those poor babies died in agony at her hands. She stalked the families to further her enjoyment from their suffering. Not sure what race has to do with any of this & it sucked up all the time. Yikes.
Race comes into play because despite all the proof, people still think she's innocent because in their ignorant minds, a white woman could never possibly do something like that, which simply is not true.
Not enough evidence. Its about time jurys were done away with random untrained people should not decide peoples fate. Trained criminal lawyers should judge.
As a victim of my baby being terminated against my will by its mother, it makes me think..If she wanted to kill very early stage development (same weeks old as very premature ones that can be saved) babies why didn't she just go to work in an abortion clinic then she could have done that all day long and been supported in her right to do that by law and by lots of society? Also If she was there for 7 of the 17 deaths and that's why she got found guilty didn't the prosecution think about the fact some of the cleaners were maybe in the rooms for 100% of the cases? Why weren't they investigated or charged?
It's critical she faces a retrial on some charges because it acts as a safety chute in case her appeal, for some unbeknownst reason, is successful on the first trial. This will keep her in prison no matter what.
What if the reason for the success of her appeal is that she's innocent? Autopsies showed the babies died of natural causes. What if there was no crime?
This woman who brought immediately in the discussion "the race" should be more concerned about blk African nurses, especially those from Nigeria, >600 of them are suspected of passing fraudulently UK tests. And the (low) levels of knowledge and commitment are so obvious on the wards in case of many, not all, of them
Can't help but think of those white british nurses I worked with who spent all their time sitting on their backsides refusing to do anything because they were "in preceptorship".
They always bring her on to bring controversy to their program just to rile people up and you all fall for it it’s all BS I wouldn’t even get drawn in to blaming everything on race and pitting right against left
Why was this woman being interviewed ? She is a one-trick pony and that one trick has sweet FA to do with the matter at hand!! Couldnt they just find a normal person who could argue coherently against the notion of Letby’s supposed “mistrial”?
An appeal at some point will be successful because the conviction was unsound. The evidence was either flawed or imaginary. It won’t be a technicality that gets her off. It will be the realisation that there were no murders but an increase in deaths due to natural causes, probably the recent admission to the unit of far more, and more serious, cases. The deaths increased (but hardly beyond the national average) after the neonatal unit was upgraded to Level 2 which meant it started dealing with more seriously ill and premature babies. That increase wasn’t expected, people panicked and Lucy Letby was unlucky to be on the wrong shifts at the wrong time. Ill-founded rumours hardened into equally ill-founded convictions and everything since then has just been a projection of people’s assumptions or beliefs on to the situation - a meme on steroids - not helped by an incompetent defence. You couldn’t convict someone of shoplifting on the sort of evidence that was presented against her in court. And the ‘expert’ witness admitted himself that he wasn’t an expert. They need special investigators to work on this sort of case, people with a background in stats and probability theory and an understanding of how medical tests work. A huge amount of resources have basically gone into wrecking an innocent person’s reputation, career and life.
Yes , what scares me is she could be convicted on so little evidence , yet the prosecution and police keep calling it evidence , unbelievable nonsense about her pyjamas and the fact she socialised . I personally do not care what colour she is I can about evidence and the trial by press before she entered court
@@myoctobersymphony4446 I think sir you are insane or stupid . This is one of the most unsound convictions I have ever seen. No witness no motive no direct evidence no confession , Just BS science from a man paid over ten grand to convince a jury he knew some thing no one else did . That is the liar Evans man of straw master of Bullshit science . Just remember this sunny next time it could be you in court convicted on fresh air out of a liar mouth . Read about embolisms then listen to Evans lies
Thank goodness someone spoke out. This savage trial by media again had a feeling of something very wrong. Much more behind this I fear.. David Kurten has the courage to speak out and she makes this about race?
The trail of dead infants suggests otherwise...... Fortunately, the British judicial system doesn't operate on the basis of what your gut says...... In *this* particular case, it relied heavily on the jury's verdict after they had spent *Months* listening to, and studying the evidence.
If there was a ten pound note that went missing from a class of 8 year olds, and they decided it was most likely to be the goody too shoes girl who is top of the class, people would naturally find it hard to believe. Letby is that but as an adult. She is the ultimate plain Jane with no background of criminality so naturally people find it hard to believe.
Well and sensibly put. This report was an all round mess and did not even report on the basic fact that this is not a retrial of the whole case; it is to give closure to the parents of one baby whose murder by Lucy Letby was unable to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt in the original trial. The prosecution clearly feel confident that they can get a conviction second time around.
The only prejudice was that she was a nurse! We are taught from a very young age these are people to turn to for help and to be trusted. Assuming a black person would have been caught sooner is just speculation from a race baiter! Ridiculous, irrelevant comments 🙄
This is nothing to do with race
I was listerning to this with interest...Right up until the lady starts telling me everything and everyone is a racist .... Rubbish..OFF
This woman could bring race into any argument
What race got to do with it
Not sure what you mean. Foreign doctors are the biggest cause of accidental deaths in hospitals.
@@wespaul9345 exactly
But not in a useful way!
You can't say that, it's racist 😂
Lets hope this black women never gets picked for jury service, her 'unconscious bias' is blatantly obvious.
If the defendant is black she will find them innocent and if the defendant is white she will find them guilty.
It has to be unconscious to be unconscious bias. She is just a racist and hates white people. I bet she is angry because she exists in a country built off of the backs and blood of white people. She should move to America, she fit right in with the race grifters there.
Why is this woman‘expert on everything because it’s always about racism’
How is she an expert if her every answer is -it’s racism!
If Lucy wasn’t white then the media tone would be different in reporting
Prejudice can be applied by anyone to anything. I think she knows everything because she has huge fake eyebrows.
Tickled me, that. Does she become a "leading" expert when she adds trout pout lip filler@@mspenelope6874 ?
It's almost as if GB news is trying to prese t you with a specific narrative isn't it?
@@marcel-jt3dyYou mean jealously loool, none of these people attacking her argument just her sign she is right and they insecure and hate hearing the truth so attack her instead to feel better changes nothing she said
What is the black woman saying? That if LL was black she would have been found even more guilty??
The opposite of what she said would be more of the truth.
She has one hell of a big chip on her shoulder.
I think she is saying that if she was black the public wouldn't be doubting the verdict as much.
@@robroots2492 seen on loads of shows....she thinks everybody is a racist
She would! Fact! When this case started there were people the same colour as Letby saying she was innocent! As if they were in the same room. Ridiculous!
Who knows what any of these race baiters are on about? They're always black though, which is interesting.
What on earth has this got to do with racial prejudice fgs!
This woman guest represents everything that hardworking British taxpayers are up against.
She legitimately must have the mental age of an 11 year old
And they call us racists .
Why would they even bring her on to comment! She obviously can't think about anything other than in terms of colour/race. My opinion.
Hideously racist..wouldn't dare come on TV and say that sh1t about 50 million people in their own country..dam she angry
@@seanharvey8051 Indeed, though more of the problem is that people who don't have a mental age of 11' pander to, and placate these individuals.
Oh God not that woman, need to turn off now.
seen her on loads of shows......she thinks everyone who is not black is a racist
She doesn't realise she is only revealing her own prejudices. Those who talk the loudest etc etc...
These racism nay sayers also dont realise they are harming their own cause. When everything is racist its hard to find the real racism.
she is really crazy....it had sod all to with racism
@@paulrichards6894you're right Paul :)
I can honestly say when young, living near Southall, having Asian; Black; Irish & Caribbean neighbours never worried me. The older I get the more I don't like seeing and hearing abuse of our country. Is that racist??? IMO the female guest has a chip on her shoulder.🤷♀️
Agreed.
Racism do exist even in the NHS
Ofc she does. She is one of these 'its cloudy today because the sun has been institutionalised to be racist'
She's a professional race grifter, makes money off her pretend victimhood
I love that you can hear she's masking her real accent; she's using her 'posh' voice 😂. You can hear da ghetto queen underneath 😂
Institutional racism is a lie. Show us UK laws that are racist.
No it's not. Institutions literally require Critical Race Theory to be taught. That's racism. And they literally reported a woman being sacked for refusing to go ahead.
Institutional racism is real, its only directed towards white people tho
Yeah the people are the racist ones you donut
The left are the only ones who are racist.
seen this woman before she sees racism every where...didn't think i would be watching something about lucy letby and they would be talking about race
Race, should never be an issue!
It will always be an issue to racist people like that female guest.
I am afraid I can't think of a single black nurse who has been jailed for killing patients in the UK. I can name several white ones (both male and female) who have been accused alongside those who have been found guilty. I would suggest that she directs her comments towards praising the skills and integrity of the nurses she claims to represent. And when has it been considered acceptable journalism to allow someone to voice an opinion on a national news channel without calling on them to provide facts in support?
Poorly educated… look up the stepping hill killer he was a non white nurse
That's because black people aren't investigated for crimes anymore.
The police was told not to investigate the black grooming gangs of london and manchester because to do so would be racist.
Yes . Despite the NHS having record numbers of black and Asian nurses , none have killed children .
@@Fontana-sb9ui......no wonder, who would dare report them.....
@@Beauloqs where are the facts based on your assumptions? Any suspects? Any cases? It's obvious that white Brits kill more people than other races in this country.
Why oh why do we have to suffer this black burden of soil in our country?
WTAF?
Trust that grifter to make it all about race
The lady banging on about institutional racism had too much make up on for an interview like this.
Looked bloody ridiculous.
Plus she is not worth listening to as she makes every single issue in the world about race which is obviously stupid. As in this case.
I thought it was an Alien...till I heard what it spewed out. 😮
@@MariaLopez-hc2nm 😂
Why is race brought into everything 🤦♀️
To bring support to an injustice?
When they don`t have the answers.
this woman brings race into everything....who thought she would be a good guest....she said nothing about lucy letby....she contributed nothing
woke Karens
@@kitcat4512again what's that got to do with race ?
Another black racist given air time!
How often has it go to be explained to people, especially the like of Kurtin, that 'circumstantial evidence' is evidence? This si an ignorant opinion.
The woke drivel that comes out of some people’s mouths is unbelievable.
It would make more sense if you understood white privilege
No it’s because your falling for the bait
How many black nurses were investigated in this case and how many have been on Trial for murder?
She would be wasting everyone's time and money.
That woman looks like something from another planet!
The fact is she has a whole of life sentence and may be tried again for another possible murder. End of story.
Yes basically she didn't 'get away with it' and this does look like she has been wrongly convicted.
We have just seen, with the blood scandal, that the NHS and Government will conspire with the Courts, to wrongfully convict innocent people to cover their own mistakes.
She did it, she said she did it and people still think she had nothing to do with it
She didnt do anything of the sort, your are believing press manipulation/lies to fool the feeble minded.
Oh my word.... This has absolutely nothing to do with race! What is she on about!!! 😳
Sopprts groups gor a serial killer myiu could nt make it up
I looked at the evidence, it is extremely poor that the court did not take into account the very poor medical care given. The state of the unit, the RCPCH report. There was so much evidence that Lucy Letby was hung drawn and quartered.
She stalked parents on facebook. Took paperwork relating to the babies home and had hand written confessions saying she was evil.
David Kurten raises valid concerns. All the evidence was circumstantial. No one witnessed her doing anything wrong at the time.
How many murderers kill with witnesses?
No, the insulin injection could have ONLY come from an external source...somebody definitely did inject insulin into the baby and that was Lucy Letby. The doctor saw that she purposely did not give treatment to a baby...but when Lucy noticed that the doctor was looking at her, she panicked and quickly gave the life saving apparatus back into the baby. There are so many pieces of evidence that show that Lucy Letby was the killer. Not only that...the police are saying that she killed in previous hospitals she worked in. Your 17 upvoters are losers. After she was fired from hospital, the death rate of babies dramatically dropped...since she was the serial baby murderer. It is 100 percent a fact that Lucy Letby murdered those babies.
Babies seem to die under her care and staff knows she is killing babies
@@run2cat4run People died because of government decisions made during covid. Don`t see Handcock or any others on trial for murder.
@@run2cat4run - and a lot of babies died who were not under her care. Leave to appeal must be granted as the evidence overall is unsatisfactory. I'm not saying she's innocent, but the Court of Appeal must review the evidence.
If the evidence presented wasn’t accurate, why didn’t her defence team raise that? She’s guilty. Accept it. The woman didn’t cry for the dead babies and the deaths significantly reduced once she was gone.
The second main reason for a retrial is because her 'defense' made no attempt to defend her!!
Why should she cry about deaths she had no part in? The deaths stopped when they finally fixed the leaking sewage pipework above the ward...
Right?! It would have been very convincing if the defense could have produced a chart to say "Between X date and X date, there were 17 deaths in total. Of these, X deaths were expected and explainable whilst Y deaths were not. Of the Y deaths that were not, Lucy waa not present for Z of them and not just come off a shift. Even with the babies who survived, Lucy wasn't there when Children deteriorated. She was on night shift later AFTER it happened or on annual leave etc so there is a total lack of correlation." Something as basic as this could have stopped her going to prison for LIFE... You don't think the defence or even family and friends would have had this idea and used it if there was evidence in her favour that they could have provided?
@@manoo422I refuse to believe you're being serious and not trolling.
@@ellea2541because she's guilty. End of story.
@danswhite8544 What did the 'eye witnesses' see...her at work? so you have seen pics of Letby with her hands around an infants neck...I dont think so. 'Blunt force trauma' opinion! Insulin? there was NO evidence that ANY insulin was EVER used. Air injected?? but no proof!! 'over feeding' again completely subjective.
Letby was only present for 8 out of 15 deaths, there is NO direct evidence that ANY of the deaths were not natural........
Unfortunately the Judge was non medical and directed the jury to ignore basically most if not all of the sub optimal care which he said would have no effect on the case, whereas each and every failing in care I shall not list they are out there for people to see could and did effect the outcome. As soon as I read the clinical failings I knew she was innocent.
Twaddle, ignorant nonsense and rubbish.
1.14 (one point 14) times more likely to be disciplined. Can she even hear what she is saying?
That might be because they have done something wrong
Insulin in the blood is not circumstantial. It was put there by the murderer, Lucy Letby.
Yeh its not like anyone ever has insulin in their blood...
As was the air and milk, also found to have been injected. Plus there was the infant who had signs of a sharp instrument having been pushed down it's throat, which caused massive blood loss. The child later died. Letby was the *only* nurse present on the ward. If she says didn't do any of this, then how come didn't see who did?
@@Brian-om2hh NOTHING was found to have been injected, nothing. As for infants have their throats cut, its utter dribble. As I said NO evidence was presented that ANY unnatural deaths occurred...
People appealing for Letby?! Are you all fking crazy?!
And would they allow Letby to look after their babies? That's the clincher......
She's had her fair trial already!
No she hasn't
Yes, and she openly lied several times during it. That alone could merit a prison term.
What he says about 17 actual deaths is unreal. The people out to get her made sure to cherry pick thing's only she could be put in that space and time.
KURTIN IS WAFFLING NONSESNE. HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE CASE.
He does know about the case. And he is clearly more informed than you are.
@@juenothing5432 You know even less than Kurtin does. He is a pompous ass.
What utter nonsense! She's totally guilty as sin! A retrail is utterly meaningless for hecks sake!
Guilty as sin? On what evidence?
@@dixienormous2440 Are you for real?! 🤦
@@jettser17UK Name a single piece of evidence...
@@manoo422 Then do your research and you will find out very easily! Your ignorance is plain silly.
@@jettser17UK You cant can you...
Tough on those who thinks she’s not guilty, keep her in jail.dint waste taxpayers money.
Problem is; in court, they are trying to win. Not find the truth!?
Colour has nothing to do with it , a killer is a killer
if she was a he and called Liam Letby then no one in the world would care .
The irony is staggering. The woman who claims people stereotype others based on race stereotypes people as racist.😵💫
Let's face it some people are only protesting her innocence because she's a woman. If she were a male nurse called Luke Letby no one would be defending him. And I'm saying this as a woman.
People are protesting it because of the nature of the circumstantial evidence. They really didn't have much to go on in the way of proof and any individual case would have been laughed out of court.
@@maxdecimus13 But my point is if this were a male nurse no one would care. They wouldn't have the same passion and energy for the situation. Everyone would just condemn him as guilty and that would be that.
@@AuroraReid-iu3ouno, you are very wrong here
@AuroraReid-iu3ou I think the vast majority see Letby as guilty. The reality is that Letby doesn't fit the profile of a serial murderer, who btw are far more likely to be men. People probably would be more likely to accept it if it was a man for this reason alone.
The suspicion comes from the scant level of evidence. After studying it in great detail, I'm happy enough that she is likely guilty but we're only looking at 80/20 IMO.
@@maxdecimus13then you find someone guilty of this weak evidence no hard evidence. Hope she appeal this.
I can’t imagine how the parents of those dead children must feel when ppl are using this tragic case in an attempt to speak about racism
It would make more sense if you understood white privilege
If the blond quite pretty lucy letby was a quite ugly male the guilt wouldnt be questioned
In episode it was quoted in the trial Dr Evans opinion. IF this is the 'expert' from Wales who touted his services to the Chester Hospital AND had never worked with Neonatals, so what good is his opinion
Talking bollocks, this individual was guilty the other cases should go ahead the victims and their families deserve justice.
Throw away the key , what a waste of taxpayers money
If we’re so irredeemably racist, they should leave.
Because she's female. That's the only reason there's doubt here.
That's all.
@@UberFoX A few?
A few?
It was more than a few, wasn't it.
Perhaps you can articulate your argument better.
@@UberFoX She wasn't accused of murdering 33 people.
She was accused of murdering 7 babies and attempting to murder 6 others.
Do keep up.
What is that woman talking about racism for?
Lol it's so random 😅.
I have the same concerns with David Kurten as do lots of people. Also why do people have to bring race into everything?
that woman is crazy....who thought she would be a good quest to have on.....this had zero to do with race.......
Ever notice how it's always black people who bring race into everything?
Race, really!!!
that woman could bring race in almost all discussions
She is right she is the most prejudice person I have ever heard and do not know why she is always on TV.
She's guilty. If you followed the trial. You would know that.
Clearly you didnt.
@@manoo422clearly you yourself didn't.
Legend has it that woman is still talking...
Nothing to do with race.
Guilty as sin.
Not when you listen to facts. We must wait and see.
@@shinelight727already done that. She's convicted.
She is guilty!
You don't know that. She may be innocent.
@@dixienormous2440 more likely she had an accomplice! Not innocent!
@@jennahcollings1174 How do you know she had an accomplice? You just can't comprehend the possibly that she could be innocent, can you?
@@dixienormous2440 that many death's are suspicious! If she wasn't responsible for all of them, then someone else was! Logic!
@@jennahcollings1174 She might not be responsible for ANY of them.
My heart goes out to the parents of the child being forced to go through the trauma again. My only wish is that the law is changed so that this vile monster has to be there in person to get rejected at the sentencing.
There is no proof that any baby was murdered. There's certainly no proof that Lucy did anything wrong.
Quite possibly, these parents have been put through unnecessary hell. The autopsy reports showed their children had died of natural causes. The POLICE caused all this trauma by telling them that they were in fact murdered.
There is no proof of any crime.
What if Lucy is an innocent nurse. Just think what she and the parents of the babies have been put through if, as many experts in the field believe, the babies died of natural causes.
Even though there is a high probability she is completely innocent of all charges...?!!
This was poor reporting on behalf of this channel. There will not be a retrial for the things she is already convicted of. The prosecution have ordered a retrial for one of the cases which could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt at the time. It is for the benefit of the grieving parents who want to see justice done in relation to the death of their baby. Lucy will stay in prison for the rest of her life anyway. I think the programme was arguing that maybe because of all the media coverage of the original trial it will be hard to find jury members who have not read or heard about the case, and so the outcome of this retrial regarding the one baby which did not get proved beyond reasonable doubt will already be decided in their own minds.
@@shweefranglais7900 Considering no real evidence of guilt was presented in her first trial not even that any unlawful killing took place there is a very good chance her appeal will result in a proper retrial of ALL original charges...
@@manoo422there's isn't. Stop defending a child murderer.
All she is saying is if Letby was black the public wouldn't be questioning the verdict as much. Lucia de B was released on a technicality.
Yeah but what she's saying is fallacious as its an appeal to the unknown.
She doesn't know how this trial would have played out had Letby been black and she's making unproven assumption
But it was the honourable David Kurten who spoke out? She's failed.
@@danharte6645 It is obvious that more people would have found it more easily digestible to think that Lucy Letby was the murderer if she was black compared to if Lucy Letby was white, blonde and had rich parents. A similar thing happened with a black (I think she was a recent immigrant to the UK) Paediatrician called Bawa Garba (sorry her full name is not coming to my mind, the case was a while ago)...she was a Paediatrician that tried her best and the Consultants were hardly anywhere to be seen and the machines were a mess and the hospital lighting was a mess and she had to do the impossible job of looking after a lot of patients (that weren't hers) and she hardly had any help when the Consultants should have helped out at that time...therefore there were patients that died. The justice system was wanting to give a harsh judgement on her...even though she did nothing wrong and even though she was a good doctor. It was only after some doctors and medical professionals protested in favour of her that the judgment went to Bawa Garba's favour. I think that if Bawa Garba was a white British non-immigrant citizen of the UK...she would have been treated more fairly. I do not agree with what the black lady in the video says all the time...and sometimes she is hung up too much on skin colour and race/ethnicity...but it is a fact that sometimes there are places like the Police Force and the justice system where non-whites are treated more unfairly than white people.
She is of course wrong.
The doubt is not based on race. It's based on sex.
@@tastypymp1287 It is based on both ethnicity and sex. Anyway, Lucy did 100 percent murder the babies.
Pretty clear that Lucy is a sociopath, anyone, that’s described as the nicest person you’ll ever meet always is
Those bastard extremely nice people. It was time someone had the courage to speak out.
this is not a miscarriage of justice I am so sick of hearing this, cases can be concluded on circumstantial evidence as long as there is enough of it, it happens all the time, the evidence being circumstantial does not mean she is innocent! It's terrifying to think as long as there's no physical evidence that a killer will just walk free every time because of defence lawyers without morals
This is certainly a miscarriage of justice as there is no real evidence Lucy did anything wrong.
The trial was a witch hunt with opinion after opinion masquerading as evidence. The case should never have been bought to trial and the "experts" should have been ripped to pieces on the witness stand as being woefully out of their depth and engaging in wildly unsupported speculation.
Frankly it reeks of cover up for clinical failures at the hospital
You genuinely believe there's enough "evidence" to show that she killed those children? What if that was you in her shoes, but you knew you hadn't done anything wrong, just like her "diary" said?
i did think like you and still think she is most probably guilty but this guy has made me confused......
@@paulrichards6894 how has he made you confused? He didn't say anything new. If you know enough about the case to have an opinion about her guilt, you wouldn't have been confused by someone saying "but there isn't actually any evidence." There isn't. There never was.
@@mydogeatspuke i still think she is guilty but not quite as confident but still reasonably sure the verdict is safe
Lucy had souvenirs from her victims stuffed into bags under her bed. She confessed with ‘I did this’ on those scraps of paper! Those poor babies died in agony at her hands. She stalked the families to further her enjoyment from their suffering. Not sure what race has to do with any of this & it sucked up all the time. Yikes.
She had also documentation found at her home I hope that the court finds her guilty like she is
Her house was literally backed onto the cemetery where some babies were buried
@@charshill2978and?
Guilty of lack of evidence. The criminal justice system is flawed.
Race comes into play because despite all the proof, people still think she's innocent because in their ignorant minds, a white woman could never possibly do something like that, which simply is not true.
Not enough evidence. Its about time jurys were done away with random untrained people should not decide peoples fate. Trained criminal lawyers should judge.
Lucia de B was presented with the same certainty in the Netherlands. And we all believed it because of the way the narrative was told.
You need to look at the case , 4 year in depth investigation . It isn’t the same as Netherland
Its nothing like that case, if you look deeper. Its so lazy to compare them
@@joycejnnthey were unlikely to survive so small
As a victim of my baby being terminated against my will by its mother, it makes me think..If she wanted to kill very early stage development (same weeks old as very premature ones that can be saved) babies why didn't she just go to work in an abortion clinic then she could have done that all day long and been supported in her right to do that by law and by lots of society? Also If she was there for 7 of the 17 deaths and that's why she got found guilty didn't the prosecution think about the fact some of the cleaners were maybe in the rooms for 100% of the cases? Why weren't they investigated or charged?
@@markdepaor4956 It is very like that case and Lucy Letby will also be found innocent
Hoping that Lucy WILL have a Re - Trial. She had a farce of a ‘trial’ so, yes - Lucy is entitled to a Re - Trial. 🌟🌟🌟🦋🦋🐈⬛🐈⬛😊💝👍💖🎓🧑🎓🌼.
Miscarriage of justice end of story poor woman a scapegoat to the nhs
Nothing to do with racism,
I don’t. Believe she should have a retrial. She knows what she’s done! She’s disgusting 🤮
RIP to all those affected 😢
@@UberFoX no I won’t though cause I believe she knew what she was doing no point in her playing victim wanting a retrial
@@UberFoX sound like sommat you’d do if u say if do that disgusting 🤮
It's critical she faces a retrial on some charges because it acts as a safety chute in case her appeal, for some unbeknownst reason, is successful on the first trial. This will keep her in prison no matter what.
If Lucy faces a retrial the flawed evidence at her first trial will be revealed
What if the reason for the success of her appeal is that she's innocent? Autopsies showed the babies died of natural causes. What if there was no crime?
What????? Who is the racist black woman?
WTAF is Imarn Ayton banging on about? The likes of her do not want the people of this country to get on together
who thought it would be a good idea to bring her on a show debating the lucy letby trial
of cause she thinks its all about race that's all she says about everything, why do they have this woman on every time 😠
The exaggerated tilt of her head is an immediate tell - cluster B
We are talking about a child killer,nothing to do with bloody skin colour........Absolute rubbish.
Something happened in that hospital that and cover ups have happened its as simple as that
Many have died in police hands, even in custody the have been slyly murderd, NO MATTER THE COLOUR
Not this black woman please!
If she was white would you say "not this white woman" Or just not this woman. You have priced her point.
Nothing to do with racism. What is this woman on?
sorry.. why has this become a race debate ?
Becaus it this was a blaxk nurse people would be saying throw away the key.
Too much filler sweetie!
Wtf has race got to do with it 🤷🏾♂️🤔
This woman who brought immediately in the discussion "the race" should be more concerned about blk African nurses, especially those from Nigeria, >600 of them are suspected of passing fraudulently UK tests. And the (low) levels of knowledge and commitment are so obvious on the wards in case of many, not all, of them
Can't help but think of those white british nurses I worked with who spent all their time sitting on their backsides refusing to do anything because they were "in preceptorship".
They always bring her on to bring controversy to their program just to rile people up and you all fall for it it’s all BS I wouldn’t even get drawn in to blaming everything on race and pitting right against left
Why was this woman being interviewed ? She is a one-trick pony and that one trick has sweet FA to do with the matter at hand!! Couldnt they just find a normal person who could argue coherently against the notion of Letby’s supposed “mistrial”?
An appeal at some point will be successful because the conviction was unsound. The evidence was either flawed or imaginary. It won’t be a technicality that gets her off. It will be the realisation that there were no murders but an increase in deaths due to natural causes, probably the recent admission to the unit of far more, and more serious, cases. The deaths increased (but hardly beyond the national average) after the neonatal unit was upgraded to Level 2 which meant it started dealing with more seriously ill and premature babies. That increase wasn’t expected, people panicked and Lucy Letby was unlucky to be on the wrong shifts at the wrong time. Ill-founded rumours hardened into equally ill-founded convictions and everything since then has just been a projection of people’s assumptions or beliefs on to the situation - a meme on steroids - not helped by an incompetent defence. You couldn’t convict someone of shoplifting on the sort of evidence that was presented against her in court. And the ‘expert’ witness admitted himself that he wasn’t an expert. They need special investigators to work on this sort of case, people with a background in stats and probability theory and an understanding of how medical tests work. A huge amount of resources have basically gone into wrecking an innocent person’s reputation, career and life.
Yes , what scares me is she could be convicted on so little evidence , yet the prosecution and police keep calling it evidence , unbelievable nonsense about her pyjamas and the fact she socialised . I personally do not care what colour she is I can about evidence and the trial by press before she entered court
The conviction was perfectly sound. She's guilty as sin.
@@myoctobersymphony4446 I think sir you are insane or stupid . This is one of the most unsound convictions I have ever seen. No witness no motive no direct evidence no confession , Just BS science from a man paid over ten grand to convince a jury he knew some thing no one else did . That is the liar Evans man of straw master of Bullshit science . Just remember this sunny next time it could be you in court convicted on fresh air out of a liar mouth . Read about embolisms then listen to Evans lies
Thank goodness someone spoke out. This savage trial by media again had a feeling of something very wrong. Much more behind this I fear..
David Kurten has the courage to speak out and she makes this about race?
Because she's female. That's the only reason there's doubt here.
That's all.
i thought she was guilty beyond doubt but listening to him has made me sit up and think
It's NOT about dead babies, it's about US - The black community
This chick speaks like some sort of black injustice bot. It's just reflex phrases without any thought.
If some random people of Facebook say she's innocent, then she must be innocent.
What an absolute load of tosh, race theory has no place in a court of law.
My gut tells me that Lucy Letby is innocent.
truth
The trail of dead infants suggests otherwise...... Fortunately, the British judicial system doesn't operate on the basis of what your gut says...... In *this* particular case, it relied heavily on the jury's verdict after they had spent *Months* listening to, and studying the evidence.
You sure that's your gut and not your erection?
If there was a ten pound note that went missing from a class of 8 year olds, and they decided it was most likely to be the goody too shoes girl who is top of the class, people would naturally find it hard to believe.
Letby is that but as an adult. She is the ultimate plain Jane with no background of criminality so naturally people find it hard to believe.
Complete dribble.
Well and sensibly put. This report was an all round mess and did not even report on the basic fact that this is not a retrial of the whole case; it is to give closure to the parents of one baby whose murder by Lucy Letby was unable to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt in the original trial. The prosecution clearly feel confident that they can get a conviction second time around.
@@shweefranglais7900 This sham retrial will be railroaded by a proper retrial of all charges from her appeal.
What the heck has this to do with race?
The only prejudice was that she was a nurse! We are taught from a very young age these are people to turn to for help and to be trusted. Assuming a black person would have been caught sooner is just speculation from a race baiter! Ridiculous, irrelevant comments 🙄
What has racism got to do with this case?
This woman just whips up hatred.
BLDM
This is one bizarre segment.
That Imarn is a nut job. It would NOT matter if the nurse was a male, female, trans, black, white or green!!!!!!