Justice Theron Defends Zuma? | Jacob Zuma | MK Party | Advocate Ngcukaithobi | South Africa:
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ค. 2024
- As IEC and Jacob Zuma battle it out in court, justices in the concourt have questions of their own.
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Justice Theron we need more people like you
Justice Theron is refusing to be dragged into a senseless argument
@@stluciabirdingkznsa791
How do you prove that ?
The Law is being interpreted here and Judge Theron is trying to excuse herself from the majority judge which was binding on that time...
IEC is fighting Zuma, Khuma is fighting Zuma the ANC leaders are fighting Zuma why is Cryril afraid of zuma he sent all those people money to fight him even zumas old friends have joined in the fight all becouse of money but zuma stay strong we are voting for MK😢
Nobody are afraid of zuma we dnt want a criminal in the parliament
Thanks justice Theron I know they'll hate yu for being innocent
Justice Theron you are a 🌟 ❤
Justice Theron is brilliant
Justice Theron we all love you
JUDGE THERON, WE LOVE YOU. U JUST PROVED US THAT MOST SUPPORTERS OF MPOFU ARE THOSE ONES WHO PASSED MATRIC WITH 35%. YOU CQN NEVER EXPECT COHERENT REASONING FROM THEM. THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS VERY LIMITED. 35 % IS NOT A PASS, ITS A FAILLLLL😂
We destroy all the plans of the devil in Jacob's case in Jesus Name
Theron your judgement is good
Why not leave everything to us South African to vote than use court to choose who must lead us
Justice Theron is reading what it's written down in the constitution and it gives anyone a right to a fair trial. As a judge or a lawyer in adjudication of case or fighting for the defense you must follow the law as it is written down and in interpretation of the law you must do it within the realm of the law not personal emotions or what you are told to do by a third party who has a vendetta against the accused. Independent analysation of the law must be within the am it of the law not anyone's mind or heart ♥ the best way of the constitutional court when a case was brought before them was to redirect the case to a lower court
These people are wasting our time. ANC must fall
Now we're on Revelations where the World is ending. We just need Special Prayer for us and Zuma. Everything it's belong to the Almighty God. He is the one who ones everything
Lord have your way to president Zuma with deliverence for your glory in Jesus Name
Passing of judgement by the self righteous posturing as holy than thou. Thou shall not judge!
This court was wrong from the beginning to sentence Zuma that manner, thats what the judge is trying to rectify.
@@danielogana3972 I saw yo long opinion in one of the chats stating yo reasoning which is meaningless unfortunately jst to push
yo ego in believing that the persecution of Zuma since 2005 is the ryt thing on earth while still we dnt have evidence to be present as a proof to us ppl hu judge with integrity not by hatre ,favorism, emotions and being tribalist. While we still ignoring Phala phala, Marikana etc until then our country still has a long way to go.
Why was he in contempt of court in the first place?
Yazi bayazikhohlisa..ngo 1 June u Zuma uzophatha izwe..ke English yabo izobe isezandleni za Zuma...siwumphakathi siyovotrla i MK💚🖤izophatha ngenkani futhi..asivimbeki kulokhu..
@@samkelisiwecarolmlambo8231 uvele ungichaze weSamke lapho nginovalo cc
@@TheNqobziNqobz Zondo must clarify that we are still waiting for that clarity
She's not defending Zuma, she defending constitutional rights
@danielogana3972 so your rights are dependent on whether you respect the court or not? Sounds illogical
Human rights are above everything else. The right to fair trial, the right to appeal ect ect ...
You are right Theron is defending the integrity of the LAW. With the wrongful conviction they instituted on him. It was an emotional decision from Zondo. It has come to haunt the institution.
@@danielogana3972 It is not me that authored those laws. The CC did raise the question of the rights. It's a fundamental right in law.
Just because you don't like ZUMA it doesn't mean you must interpret differently.
salute
@@danielogana3972 Can you please read and understand the LAW.
STOP RESPONDING BASED ON YOUR DISDAIN AND APATHY FOR ZUMA.
Understand ukuthi umthetho uthini. Go back and listen to the CC and the supreme court on the RIGHTS IN LAW.
The reason why it's back here is because IEC share the same apathy for Zuma just like you do.
The concourt really tied itself in a knot for having allowed Zuma contempt hearings knowing fully well it was exercising the final instance. Ideally the case would have been referred to lower courts so as to satisfy the appeal principle. Short of undermining their own ruling, IEC should have its way. In any case here was a man who had sworn to preserve and protect the constitution yet deliberately declined to appear before the Zondo commission - a creature of the very same constitution. He now ironically pleads for the same rights!
Recently I have realised Ngcukaitobi is not as good as he has been portrait.
Andazi which argument were you following. UThembeka came tops against that judge. She threw everything at him, but hhayi that African boy is sharp. Jelasi daweni☺️
@@gideonmthembu8693 the guy is good indeed but not as much as he's been regarded, I won't disagree with your judgement because we are both not using any point of reference but he's arrogant and over confident hence he lost this case at IEC court.
@@danielogana3972 I didn't say he didn't make his points well but he's just been overrated
@@siphosakhemajola9136 What point of reference did you use to judge him. Which case or part of anything you used to suggest he is overrated?
Thats what happens when you defend the undefendable. But i still think he is good. This case needed an advocate of his callibre to fully explore the logic of how this decision was made, and at the same time to expose the foolishness behind that logic
You have made your mark Adv Ncukaitobi. Judge Theron wants to apply the law selectively. She tries in every way to derail your submission.
U still cant see majorities of blacks lives in poverty bcz of zuma n Cyril and their kids got it all but its gonna change bcz y GOD show up
Justice Theron is very knowlegeable & smart, of all the justices in that court she was able to defend the constitution without being emotional. Tembeka was exposed, he could not defend his own position😂😂😂😂😂
The problem with people is that they wanted everyone to be unfair when comes to president Zuma but unfortunately some are not biased they are just following the law like judge Theron
JUDGE THERON JUST PROVED US THAT MOST SUPPORTERS OF MPOFU ARE THOSE ONES WHO PASSED MATRIC WITH 35%. YOU CQN NEVER EXPECT COHERENT REASONING FROM THEM. THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS VERY LIMITED. 35 % IS NOT A PASS, ITS A FAILLLLL😂
Zondo messed it up
IS THERE A CONSTITUTION ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD THAT ADVOCATES FOR 'INCACERATION WITHOUT TRIAL, FINE OR APPEAL'?
Leave president Zuma
EVERY CONVICTED PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO APPEAL EXCEPT JZ-THIS WILL HAUNT SOUTH AFRICANS ETERNALLY
The highest court, the con court, repeatedly asked zuma to respond to its contempt ruling. He repeatedly refused. That was his right to appeal and he just played his normal delaying game.
@mark indirectly you are saying s47e applied to Zuma while the cc judgment and Tembeka says s47e was denied in the Zuma case 😂😂😂 you are a joke
@Mangamahle8 the jokes on you. The constitution states quite clearly that the cc can LEGALLY withold the right of appeal for its own judgements since it is the highest court. Further context is that jz thinks he is above the law and has been applying his stalingrad tactic to abuse the system for more than a decade. Further he thinks he can dictate who prosecutes him and who tries him. Finally the cc stood up and said enough is enough and sent him to jail for contempt after he refused opportunity to argue why not.
@@markwinter7511it says that in which section?
This Zuma judgement is if it's not challenged it's exposing all of us to a kangaroo type of arrangements in the future.
The question is, is there any other authority beside Zuma case?
The problem is that Con court plays the place of court auqo and Apex court at the same time.
I don't know anything about law, am just a lay man but Justice Theron made me understand law, Justice Theron asked "if Supreme court of appeal doesn't have penal powers (that's to give original sentence) where does concourt get them" and Ngukaitobi answers "they have them because it happened in this court, Zuma was sentence" what an own goal😂😂
JUDGE THERON, WE LOVE YOU. U JUST PROVED US THAT MOST SUPPORTERS OF MPOFU ARE THOSE ONES WHO PASSED MATRIC WITH 35%. YOU CQN NEVER EXPECT COHERENT REASONING FROM THEM. THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS VERY LIMITED. 35 % IS NOT A PASS, ITS A FAILLLLL😂
The same idiot again. You don't understand law.
@@geraldchirwa4578 WE HAVE PROFESSORS PASSED FORM 4-5 AND STANDARD 10 SUPPORTING DALI MPOFU THOSE PEOPLE WITH FORM 4-5 ARE VERY ADVANCE THEY ARE BETTER THAN YOUR MALUSI WRITTEN YOU QUALIFIES FOR BACHELOR, DIPLOMA, HIGHER CERTIFICATE, BECAUSE YOUR 35% YOU ARE OBSESS WITH BECAME ACTIVE ON 2009 WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
@@zandilepatience9219 EISH, I SAID "MOST" 😆😆
I DID NOT SAY EVERYONE 😂😂
BUT UR REASONING ITS LIKE YOU BELONG TO THE "MOST".
SO DO YOU BELONG TO THE MOST OR NOT ?
WHICH ONE ARE YOU ZANDI ZANDI 🙄🙄
The decision of the concort on sending Zuma to Jail will always haunt the Constitutional Court. They will always be at pains to justify that the Con Court reserves the right to take away an accused rights as inshrined by the bill of rights.
It's rubbish to assert Justice Theron defended Zuma. She interrogated the constitunality of the sentence without the right to appeal. In fact she's defending the constitution.
I wonder IF HIS BROTHER WAS IN POLITICS N GOT TREATED THE SAME WAY LIKE ZUMA,HIS RIGHTS TAKEN AWAY N SENT TO PRISON BY THE SAME COURT ,WHAT HIS ARGUMENT WOULD BE LIKE
Very interesting line of arguement here
The ConCourt made a big mistake by imposing the original sentence on Mr Zuma, it was suppose to have refered the case to the high court
People please stop being biased. She was hard on the other gentleman that is defending Zuma.
Im glad GOD'S powers show up . We all hv 2 repent our sins is 2 much. GOD gonna strike all of us. Bad or good but the good wil enjoy JESUS
Saving SA from corruption
South Africa let us not b fooled wake up
Law is the only profession that can contradict itself, if they can play a clip where Zondo started all this while he was sitting on that chair on the Zondo commission because that's where it all began where he made a shocking statement about direct imprisonment without trial
Justice Theron will haunt Zondo for the rest of his life. The court erred in depriving Zuma his constitutional right.
But what worries me herebis that during thd CJ interviews Malema revezled that zondo was lying he knows Zuma they had several meetings in hotel and refuses to reveal what was those meetings all about, so it was wrong for him not to recuse himself therefore Zuma wrongfully arrested because of Zondos lies
Depending probably from where it comes from ..when the CC made the final judgement or decision if it was in contradiction the CC can possibly resind it' s own jufgement..Everyone has the right to appeal.No power can or might be abuse We need more people like justice Theron.Possibly trying to correct a possible wrong
Zuma is teaching law scholars a thing or two in their own field of expertise through his resilience to challenge these silly courts' judgements which are now making the Ngcukayithobis of this world look like amatures trying to defend the indefensible. The thought they would walk over Zuma throwing "rule of law' and "constitution" terms around yet they are the ones committing acts of crime. One radio presenter Joshua Mlaba once said, "maye kuyabiza ukulaya umuntu". Dig a grave for someone and it turns out to be your own size! And by the way, this very Ngcukayithobi was at some stage consulted for guidance by Zondo during the commission. Mh, chickens coming home to roost!
So what is the purpose of remission if it doesn't affect the duration of the sentence ?all other people who got their sentences reduced are sitting at home enjoying themselves,law can be interpreted but once they start debating it becomes a scam or mockery of some sort
No the issue is not about Mr Zuma going back home, it is about him being a member on the N. A. In which section 47 of the Electoral Act. If you look at it carefully, should the court agree with Electoral Court on remission, than we are opening the doors for more corruption.
The title of your Video is irresponsible. Justice Theron is not defending anyone, she is just doing her job in a non partisan way. Please be more reasonable.
Akuyekwe uZuma ne MK uyabona la eSouth Africa igama nje ukuthi kukhona unkululeko yokuzikhethela uma u ANC engahambisani naleyonkululeko uvele ame endleleni yakho athi uwrong awufanele ukuzikhethela
Money is the root of all evil
No, on 2 grounds. One of the grounds is that “Lack of money is the root of most evil”*.
*Mark Twain
The wall behind Justice Theron is worrisome it seems as it would fall.
Give it to him
They desperate
The Zuma Law has just sealed my decision to vote with my conscience and ensure justice prevails
Anyone have the right to given pardon by president bt criminal record must be reserved
Indeed a criminal
which criminal?
its like a stuck record
She is defending the justice system
This judge is sober and not conflicted. She knows Zuma was done dirty by CC judges that had political motives
Zondo said he was going to approach the constitutional court to sentence President Zuma for contempt of court meaning he was going approach his own colleagues to help him to do so without following all the court proceedings, this how people who are drunken with power behave when given a position of authority
Dali can be sarcastic towards court officials, but our mother DCJ Judge will keep mum.
There judges who are not captui
IEC advocate gets irritated many times during interrogation of the case. Still he doesnot make any sense.
He's expressing his emotions due to his hatred of Zuma. He's acting unprofessionally
Irespective of majortiy decisions, an open-minded person have a right to ventilate loopholes bcos someone's right overlooked
No he is not a Zuma hater ..what's wrong with you @@jabulanimathuthu2610
People think he is better because he represented SA at the Hague that's why they choose him
How Ngcukaitobi can not answer a yes or no question! "Apart from Zuma jugdment is there any other jugdment?"Jugde Theron asked
This issue of the court of first and last instance is very troublesome. It is highly exposed to corruptible practices.
Justice Maya is acting as a pleaser. She will never restrain Dali Mpofu like he is doing in this unwarranted intervention.
When the Oxygen leaves your mind during interpretation it doesn't say goodbye Adv😅😅😅
You will loose support by playing sides in butter and bread power struggles people died for this democracy
Majority doesn't mean right. The world is what it is today because of Majority. Ngcukayithobi is working hard to please the oppressor. The enemy is using him in almost all cases against the indigenous people bcos the enemy knows that his time is over. He had a time frame to do his evil and his end would come.
Stop smoking crack who’s oppressing ?you
Haaaai d guy is good which enemy drs no enemy here
What people do not realise is that Theron J was criticising the Majority and Advocate for the Khampempe judgement.
Remember, she disagreed with the Majority on sentencing Zuma in the ConCourt as it would not allow him the opportunity to appeal his sentence.
Very sharp Advocate
Original sentence imposed hy the court is not same as the execution of the sentence effectes by the President.
In the eyes of the law, the imposed sentence is 15 months. As such, the Electoral court can not simply say that it's 3 months because the former President served only 3 months
So Ngcukaitobi argument also on remission of the sentence and the original sentence still says that President Zuma sentence was not a sentence it had no origin it only originated from Zondo's head and not on anyone else , that's all it was
The Constitutional Court is not a child's play and mostly especially the Zuma supporters are watching this with emotions and unfortunately is not how Law operates in the courts..
When someone says i know you mean no offence... between the lines says you are stupid...period
Poor ngcukaithobi, he thinks he's Ngcuka
Why poor d joy is good very very good
Poor Mpofu Theron Grilled Mpofu like hell and Mpofu was sweating like a baby😂😂😂😂
"Apart from that judgement is their any other AUTHORITY???
In my humble opinion the other authority is the NATIONAL LEGISLATURE (PARLIAMENT)
The advocate is so so brilliant for the judge.
Does this mean, justice Theron is using this sitting to show that she did not agree with the majority judgement to send Zuma to prison ?
Judge Theron is not captured, Zuma was kidnapped from his home at gun point and sent to jail without any trial no right of appeal, his rights were trampled on very unfair. It's a shame that this man suffered under apartheid rule and his black colleagues are doing the same. This was done on purpose in order to put a criminal record of Zuma so that he can never go to parliament to fight for the liberation of a black child from this puppet regime.
Shameless Theron playing to the gallery !! Their kampembe judgement is an embarrassment to the Concourt
Justice Theron opted for the case to be taken to the NDPP, and prosecuted in a different Court, so he can have the opportunity to appeal. She and Jafta did not agree with Khampempe.
Why is other people always wrong and you people is always rigth! That's senseless
@@maryjooste6161 Please expand on the point of 'you people', so one can respond.
Thembeka has taught Theron the interpretation of statutes
She did well here .. very intelligent
Yes judges have their own views but Justice Theron made it too much personal in this case😏
I don't think the judge took it personally...she is engaging under to come to a conclusion..interpretation of law is applied without favour. Nothing wrong the judge has done here....read section 35
Judge Theron was defending Zuma blatantly! They, I mean Whites condone Zuma and everything that will unseat ANC because that has always been their strategy and mission!
One's a crook always a crook. His ppl goes hungry and him and his fam eat our tax money hope they vomet until the end
It's because she defecended in the initial hearing and lost against the other justices. That's why the smart advocate insists they shouldn't retry here cos a decision was made and it was binding. Theron is trying to open it up again. But it's like she met a Ngqukayitoli iyithutha😅
innocent
In any case advocate Mpofu asserts section 47 does not apply in this case but section 35 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Yona iyabona i ANC ukuthi isenkingeni amaqembu amaningi eza kabi kulolukhetho ibheke i MK nje i MK ayiyodwa namanye amaqembu angenisile ngempela 🤞 kulolukhetho ngeke adabule I'm telling you 🤞. Ubheke ukuphazamisa i MK la KZN uyadlala ngeke ayinuke i KZN kukhona i MK manje ithatha kwasani
And ngeke bayinuke ngampela...asisayifuni i ANC🙅♀️ngeke ivotelwe muntu nje futhi...bazovotelwa imvuthuluka esisele..
This lawyer is too good for justice Theron he is spontaneous with his facts and knows what the law states.
There's one thing that is clear here. The constitutional court acted unlawfully in convicting Zuma. They took away his 2 rights:
1. Trial
2. Right to appeal
The reality escapes Ngcukaitobi.
Original sentence vs sentence served.
Anybody that have a power to change your decision is the final authority to be recognised.
Even though judges sentence people but people can override the judges through the fact that people employ the judges through the will of the top political elect.
Zuma served all 15 months but the court said no he didn't but he must be sent to jail to continue from 3 months.
Fear of uprising and the information of intelligence was clear that the revolution was going to begin at the very moment Zuma returned to Jail.
Big businesses that control Cyril adviced Cyril to remit the sentence.
The boss of the temporal government remitted sins.
ANZanu pf is not marketable. Everyone knows. You can not go door to door campaining after 30yrs in power. Your achievements must campain for themselves
Coca Cola or KFC are over 30 years old but we still see their fresh, new adverts on TV daily
Kunzima ,bezwa izigi zomkhonto, good wine need not bush
Ngukaietoby was a brilliant and articulate advocate and justice Theron was taught a good lesson because Nguka did his homework and seems to have researched the constitution d very well . The repeated questions of Justice Theron began to become monotonous.
I doubt you listened to their argument with open mind
Zuma will prevail.
Kunama jaji asebezisana no Zondo afanele aphume lelicala
Theron is beautiful bathung
Yooo uNgcukayithobi akana Facts yena ,he is arrogant and does not answer questions .He becomes emotional and answers emotions as well as hatred.😂
these judges dug their own hole by allowing zondo to coerce them to sentence zuma illegally n now they are cornered. They again alowed IEC to access tgem without going to the Supreme court. The only upright judge is Theron. Phala phala has abused our constitutional court bcs we have zuma we have mkhwebane... Sadly we have this captured askari called thembeka
This is the part that most idiots here fail to understand. The hate for Zuma clouds people's judgements. They are careless listeners.
This is about LAW Judge Theron is NOT on the side of misdemeanour, she's on the side of the LAW. Whether Zuma or some of you idiot's here .
Zuma included Theron on judges to recuse themselves because they wanted their argument to be simple by saying even those who judged in their favor were asked to recuse themselves it was a strategy to mention Theron on the list of recusal.
thembeka please relax .no sentence without trail how
No.. She was educating you to understand the questions that Zuma has no basis in law and in facts
I wish Ngcukaitobi loose he is arrogant and wishes that his emotional wish be fulfilled irrespective of how Judge Theron thinks in so far as how the law must be followed.....
He is an African top shelf material this one. Very good and clear in his line of debate.
Mfoka Myeza akudlali ukuluza kabili in a row, akazenzi u Kaythobi, the clock is ticking...😂😂😂
Ngcukaitobi's argument on the remission of the sentence that it only impact the duration of the sentence it doesn't not impact the original sentence so he thinks that we are all confused and have no logic 😂😂😂
Zum a was deprived of the opportunity to appeal his sentence
NO
What about trail
Where does one appeal a sentence imposed by the cc?
How did she defend Zuma?
shut up. Mk❤
@@KhumbulaniFakude-rd2nw Who told you I am MK
@@KhumbulaniFakude-rd2nw You should have kept quiet if you didn't have an answer to my question. You were not gonna die
We must be fair
Zuma must be jailed
Sir, this case is not about Zuma appearing in the ballot. It is about whether Zuma qualifies to be an MP or not, given the arguments before the court.
U guys dnt understand d beautiful Theron was trying to to lead Ngcokayitobi to show dt even if it's bcz of ds n dt other things r still to b proved so Theron is nt siding wit Zuma n anyways Ngcokayitobi ansad very well n Der were no many questions for clarity from d panel DT mins all was clear oooooohbb Theron is beautiful by DCJ is m favourite wit Dr charming voice love ds 2 woman
Mfth ngicela ubhale igama linjengoba linjalo ungalinqamuleli angisho Kabi mfth abantwana fanele bafunde kithi ukubhala, awuyichaza Kahle lento ngiyayizwa futhi ngiyabonga
This is not english
“Hijacked” it’s your sensationalisation of the matter. The 15 months imprisonment of JG Zuma was a bone of contention on IEC case. On their failure in Electoral Court they took the after to Constitutional Court, so where’s hijacking on that? Your subject matter is also a sensualising the matter but at least it a question.
Ngcukayithobi is not going to win, even if he is going to win the MK supporters are going to give MK a landslide victory and that is what it has been prophecied that Mogoeng Mogoeng is going to be the State President up until this matter has been dealt with. What we want here is that MK party should just get the 2 third majority. 🤔😌
JUDGE THERON, WE LOVE YOU. U JUST PROVED US THAT MOST SUPPORTERS OF MPOFU ARE THOSE ONES WHO PASSED MATRIC WITH 35%. YOU CQN NEVER EXPECT COHERENT REASONING FROM THEM. THEIR UNDERSTANDING IS VERY LIMITED. 35 % IS NOT A PASS, ITS A FAILLLLL😂
@@geraldchirwa4578 DALI MPOFU IS A BRILLIANT LAWYER🎉, SO IF YOU THINK YOU ARE BETTER THAN DALI MPOFU WHY YOU ARE DON'T GO TO CONCOURT AS LAWYER COMPETING WITH DALI MPOFU, WE HAVE CHARTED ACCOUNTANT, NURSE BY PROFESSION, DOCTORS, BUSINESS PERSON, ENGINEERS, PILLOTS, GRANDPARENTS, STUDENTS, PEOPLE WITH GENERAL WORKS YOU MEAN THIS PEOPLE PASSED WITH 35%, WHEN WAS 35% BECAME ACTIVE ACCORDING TO MY KNOWLEDGE ITS STARTED ON 2009, MOST OF THE PEOPLE SUPPORTING DALI MPOFU THEY DID FORM 4-5, OTHERS DID STANDARD 10 THOSE PEOPLE ARE VERY ADVANCE, YOU ARE THE ONE WITH LACK OF KNOWLEDGE