Another good video. I wonder if anyone has pictures of the replacement of the last several bridges that have been replaced? They have poured new concrete footings for those and I don’t think you could get a concrete truck (conventional) to more than one or two of them. Yes there are going to be some big challenges but I believe that they will bring in some specialized equipment to help with this. There is some of this type of equipment in Erwin and NC now. NFS will have specialist engineering/construction groups to help plan that out. It’s going to be very interesting to watch it happen and I hope that someone can document the process in pictures and videos.
It’s so cool to be able to see this in a before photo. it’s still hard to comprehend all the changes. 😂 Enjoyed watching & listening. You guys are GREAT!
Let the lady do her thing! I'm betting she can do a pretty good job with it! Thx for the update. Guess we will see how things go with fixing the trail. Many trails need fixing it seems. Many homes and land too. Look forward to the next one!
Heard folks in Green Cove talking about the funding, many sound bitter thinking this is a bad priority. This isn't a job that can be taken up by volunteers, like so many others can. Each bridge will cost in the millions to design and build, there is no way they can build something new out of creosote timbers. Long sections of trail will be tough to rebuild, I wouldn't be surprised to see a viaduct take the place of badly damaged sections. Environmental impact studies will be necessary to protect things like the hellbender salamander and fishing. Aside from the economic benefits of the trail, people don't care to preserve something they don't have access to enjoy. I'm glad that the path of the Creeper Trail in VA looks much different than the sections in NC that haven't been preserved. If you drive down Big Horse Creek to Lansing, you can see the devastation from decades of construction washed away along the old train path. I understand that these budget allocations can shift around as projects need more or less. I'm hoping the trail can be fixed for a fraction of $600 million, but I am thankful it is getting any attention at all. As for who is going to fix destroyed home and lives, that is mostly up to us, waiting for the government to provide additional help to individuals at this point is likely to end in more waiting.
Ya, it's a shame people are stuck homeless. I am glad the trail will be fixed but I hope to see everyone back in a warm structure soon. That's not going to happen but it should.
Great summary and fully agree! There are a couple of spots that a 'viaduct' will be the only solution. The Creeper Rebuild is a massive project, period. Most will have a hard time understanding the shear magnitude of rebuilding each each section X A Lot of sections. In Green Cove, the first trestle missing could be replaced by a creosote trestle. Simultaneously, it needs to be a strong access bridge for the loads of rocks, gravel, and machinery needed to rebuild in that section of damage. Fortunately, it's less damaged than other areas! To fully understand the scale of this rebuild, search 'How do you rebuild a Major Highway on the Side of a Mountain'. It covers I-40's Hurricane Helene destruction and the challenges of fixing only one section, though identical to a number of Creeper Trail damaged areas. I-40 will likely need a 'viaduct' to fix it. NC/TN have the advantage of using the eastbound lanes to work from in their rebuild - most of the Creeper rebuild does not.
You're going to have to stop spinning the Earth,, I just can't quite make it to the kitchen to get my snack😅. Another great video Also great video when you came to Boone make sure you Google King Street hurricane Helene flood River in the street boone
Rebuilding 22 miles of I40 ripped out along the Pigeon River is only projected to cost 500 million. I can't wait to ride my bike on an 18-mile 600 million dollar bike trail!
@andyfeimsternfei8408 It's so awesome that THEY have the eastbound lanes of I-40 to rebuild the westbound lanes from! And, the westbound lane access gets them right up to the rebuild site. Now, they can drive in heavy machinery, boulders, gravel, rebar, concrete, and rebuild teams! Wouldn't it be great to have that opportunity for the Creeper Rebuild? But since the site access and terrain conditions are not similar, then that makes the $600M for the Creeper Rebuild so much more reasonable!
@@LeslieRobillard eighteen are gone but I'm sure more will have to be taken down. I really dont know if it will be enough. Some people think it's an absurd amount. I personally don't know. I know it's a lot of hoops to jump through. Just gonna be interesting to see how they go about things.
Please get out there, bid down the competition, and have a great retirement. My guess was $100-150 million just to reopen the trail. I'm really hoping the Forest Service doesn't have to spend all $600 million, about as likely a chance they go over budget. One battle at a time, glad to see progress regardless.
@beautifulvirginia9629 Senator xyz, Congressman xyz, their first cousins, friends, and business partners! Everybody talks about government waste, it's our fault. It's our money, but all we all say "it's a government job, jack the price up!" We all need to stop this.
@beautifulvirginia9629 36 million for construction 200 million for permitting 250 million for "fees" (no need for disclosure) 114 million for donations to politicians and bureaucrats. {if this payment is insufficient, moneys will be reassigned from permitting & fees to satisfy their requirements.
All while maintaining the natural beauty and not ruining it!
Another good video. I wonder if anyone has pictures of the replacement of the last several bridges that have been replaced? They have poured new concrete footings for those and I don’t think you could get a concrete truck (conventional) to more than one or two of them. Yes there are going to be some big challenges but I believe that they will bring in some specialized equipment to help with this. There is some of this type of equipment in Erwin and NC now. NFS will have specialist engineering/construction groups to help plan that out. It’s going to be very interesting to watch it happen and I hope that someone can document the process in pictures and videos.
It’s so cool to be able to see this in a before photo. it’s still hard to comprehend all the changes. 😂 Enjoyed watching & listening. You guys are GREAT!
@@LeslieRobillard Thanks again Leslie. Much love.
Let the lady do her thing! I'm betting she can do a pretty good job with it! Thx for the update. Guess we will see how things go with fixing the trail. Many trails need fixing it seems. Many homes and land too. Look forward to the next one!
Thank you!
Heard folks in Green Cove talking about the funding, many sound bitter thinking this is a bad priority. This isn't a job that can be taken up by volunteers, like so many others can. Each bridge will cost in the millions to design and build, there is no way they can build something new out of creosote timbers. Long sections of trail will be tough to rebuild, I wouldn't be surprised to see a viaduct take the place of badly damaged sections. Environmental impact studies will be necessary to protect things like the hellbender salamander and fishing. Aside from the economic benefits of the trail, people don't care to preserve something they don't have access to enjoy. I'm glad that the path of the Creeper Trail in VA looks much different than the sections in NC that haven't been preserved. If you drive down Big Horse Creek to Lansing, you can see the devastation from decades of construction washed away along the old train path. I understand that these budget allocations can shift around as projects need more or less. I'm hoping the trail can be fixed for a fraction of $600 million, but I am thankful it is getting any attention at all. As for who is going to fix destroyed home and lives, that is mostly up to us, waiting for the government to provide additional help to individuals at this point is likely to end in more waiting.
Ya, it's a shame people are stuck homeless. I am glad the trail will be fixed but I hope to see everyone back in a warm structure soon. That's not going to happen but it should.
Thanks for your insights.
Great summary and fully agree! There are a couple of spots that a 'viaduct' will be the only solution. The Creeper Rebuild is a massive project, period. Most will have a hard time understanding the shear magnitude of rebuilding each each section X A Lot of sections.
In Green Cove, the first trestle missing could be replaced by a creosote trestle. Simultaneously, it needs to be a strong access bridge for the loads of rocks, gravel, and machinery needed to rebuild in that section of damage. Fortunately, it's less damaged than other areas!
To fully understand the scale of this rebuild, search 'How do you rebuild a Major Highway on the Side of a Mountain'. It covers I-40's Hurricane Helene destruction and the challenges of fixing only one section, though identical to a number of Creeper Trail damaged areas. I-40 will likely need a 'viaduct' to fix it. NC/TN have the advantage of using the eastbound lanes to work from in their rebuild - most of the Creeper rebuild does not.
You're going to have to stop spinning the Earth,, I just can't quite make it to the kitchen to get my snack😅. Another great video
Also great video when you came to Boone make sure you Google King Street hurricane Helene flood River in the street boone
Rebuilding 22 miles of I40 ripped out along the Pigeon River is only projected to cost 500 million. I can't wait to ride my bike on an 18-mile 600 million dollar bike trail!
@andyfeimsternfei8408 It's so awesome that THEY have the eastbound lanes of I-40 to rebuild the westbound lanes from! And, the westbound lane access gets them right up to the rebuild site. Now, they can drive in heavy machinery, boulders, gravel, rebar, concrete, and rebuild teams! Wouldn't it be great to have that opportunity for the Creeper Rebuild? But since the site access and terrain conditions are not similar, then that makes the $600M for the Creeper Rebuild so much more reasonable!
After considering the amount of work that needs to be done do you think $600M is enough? How many treselles need to be replaced?
@@LeslieRobillard eighteen are gone but I'm sure more will have to be taken down. I really dont know if it will be enough. Some people think it's an absurd amount. I personally don't know. I know it's a lot of hoops to jump through. Just gonna be interesting to see how they go about things.
I think it would be easier and cheaper to just install a zipline from White Top to Damascus. 🤷🏼♂️
I'm all for that!!!
And so fun!!
I love this idea
1 million for the trail and 599 million for the pockets of people in the government and on certain councils and committees.
Not even enough
600 million is ridiculous! I'd do it for 60 and retire! Another example of government waste. A new railroad line could be built for less.
Please get out there, bid down the competition, and have a great retirement. My guess was $100-150 million just to reopen the trail. I'm really hoping the Forest Service doesn't have to spend all $600 million, about as likely a chance they go over budget. One battle at a time, glad to see progress regardless.
@jhbailey929 A 4-lane Interstate highway costs 4-10 million per mile to build. Take the high number, and 18 miles is only 180 million! This is insane!
I would love to see the breakdown.
@beautifulvirginia9629 Senator xyz, Congressman xyz, their first cousins, friends, and business partners! Everybody talks about government waste, it's our fault. It's our money, but all we all say "it's a government job, jack the price up!" We all need to stop this.
@beautifulvirginia9629
36 million for construction
200 million for permitting
250 million for "fees" (no need for disclosure)
114 million for donations to politicians and bureaucrats. {if this payment is insufficient, moneys will be reassigned from permitting & fees to satisfy their requirements.