My grandparents lived and are buried in Ratana Pa ,as is my baby brother who unfortunately died of SIDS ,I am dismayed and astonished that this bickering is going on when there are important issues not only facing Ratana's relevance to the younger generation but National issues which could affect the very fabric of Aotearoa New Zealand's existence ,our founder would be furious .WAKE UP !!! David Seymour is trying to challenge the validity of The Treaty of Waitangi thru a Referendum ,CHALLENGE HIM collectively as a leading point for the whole of Aotearoa, this must be stopped in its tracks thru nationwide discussion and protest !! (perhaps in an odd way ,does that mean that the land and resources returns to Maori ) some investigations are needed over high court and British judicial (they're still our highest judiciary ,colonial ties) decisions .
The Ratana Pa should elect and ordain a leader internally It is a religion, not a representative democracy open to exploitative lobbying or rallying to create a power grab to install alternate leaders or divide the parishes.
The Most High God is the head of Christ who is the head of the Church and all men, who is the head of his wife. HE is not the author of confusion, only men excepting the Christ. "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand".. a 900 year plus prophecy. If the Christ or anointed, is not at the head of the church then all is in vain. Oh my people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge.
When it comes down to it, they are just men and women.....like me and you.....lack of knowledge? I disagree, lack of wisdom in how they use that knowledge, everything we need to be successful is within mans grasp, its up to man how he uses it, between the true church of the true god is not found without, it is not made of wood or precious stones, but lies within the heart, within.
Hosea 4:6 (KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. Job 28:28 (KJV) And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
It is very sad what's happened to our Morehu katoa. It is a human doing thats split our Haahi, human can sort it before it escalates even further. Mangai Ae.
Jesus Christ said, that HE - not men - but He, will build HIS Church - not the church of man - but HIS CHURCH, and the gates of hell including every false prophet, preacher, pastor, teacher, shall NOT prevail against HIS CHURCH. Christ and HIS teachings are the Cornerstones of HIS Church, and He has taught very clearly in His HOLY WORD, that in these last days that we are now living in, there will be a great falling away from His teachings, resulting in a turning away from HIM - and in stead of following Christ and HIS WORD the Holy Scriptures, so called Christians together with their false prophets, preachers, pastors and teachers will follow after the doctrines of demons and eventually all these people will finish up in HELL itself. I encourage us all who call ourselves followers of Christ and worshippers of the one true God - to read our bibles -- its all there loud and clear. We do not need any prophet today - we have the eternal WORD of GOD and the Holy SPIRIT to guide is and to keeps us in the absolute and total truth and love of God, and the eternal life that Jesus Christ has given and continues to give, to those who believe in HIM and obey His teachings and commandments.
The original mindset the original intention from ratana the unification of the tribes to have a better life with the colonial mindset that had taken their culture and belittled it out of love came the strong true church or belief.
Our people as a Nation have always been divided,. Tribal wars, Tribal traditions will Allways Fall short of Gods Glory,... The God of Abraham an Issac had a Son who was Given Sovereignty over ALL... What is His name? All Glory to Our Father in Heaven
Jesus is not a pakeha God, the pakeha used his name and faith too deceive the indigenous peoples of the world, please research for yourself. Jesus used Tahupotiki Wiremu Ratana, mightily.
@@JA.MMP274 lol my people die due to lack of knowledge,.. my people believe in many puny gods who offer only death,.. believe in speaking to dead people, you all are pagans believe in the creation not the Creator.
Mangai Ae Piki te Ora e te iwi Morehu TŪ ĀNA ❤ kia kaha te maramatanga kei roto & hei aha te politics. Tu tahi tatau kei raro te manakitanga a ihoa i nga wā katoa kaūa e whāti ēngari kā pōrangi hāere …….. He Maori . Hē Morehu . Hē Wāirua Pāi Mangai Ae
You must Follow God's Word,God's Commands, God's Laws and He will see through to those who want to be blessed with all we Pray For, Especially on a small scale or BIG SCALE... OUR TRUE FAITH IS GOD FIRST ND THEN WHAT WE DO FOR HE WANTS US TO HELP THE PEOPLE ON EARTH. NOT FOR OURSELFS. Otherwise this is what God says in the Bible! That's why I'm saying that there are many False Prophecys that don't Preach nd fufill God's Commands and Man will Lead roles as there own way. Not God's Way .. Read the Bible again of what
The Ratana movement like all old school Christian denominations has has been dying for 60 years. The Ratana faith like Ratana himself realistically is dead and exists only in the minds of a few dreamers, historians and ego trippers.
And you would know how? If you aren’t part of the Ratana faith I don’t get how you think you know. I’m from Ratana and I see many people still supporting the faith and believing all across New Zealand. People still travel to Ratana for special occasions and celebrations to support. We even went on a matoro for the new tumuaki around the north island. Therefor the faith is not dead. Don’t go spreading false information when you are clueless yourself ☺️
This is what God's has predicted already there will be destruction for those who are not Faithfull to Him nd to lead his people to there Salvation. .God is not in there church if you practice false preaching. This is not what God Wants for his children on Earth! God wants Leaders to lead the Lost back to his Kingdome of Heaven... Nothing is for Us but for him in the Ministry Work.
The 5 point star and the crescent moon are freemason symbols, and are ancient witch craft symbols. All freemason churches, governments, business, sports teams use one or more of these symbols. Many countries around the world use these symbols on military and police uniforms.
I AM MOREHU FROM AUCKLAND. WILL ALWAYS FOLLOW OUR RATANA PAA ON THEIR DECISION. I TAUTOKO RATANA PAA ALWAYS❤
Im not surprised the Morehu have not commented in this platform out of respect for our Leaders and our people, We have a bigger duty ahead, Mangai ae
As a morehu is better to be informed before commenting. As a human we can get things wrong so best to go get informed first
Our creator gift of life, unconditional luv
My grandparents lived and are buried in Ratana Pa ,as is my baby brother who unfortunately died of SIDS ,I am dismayed and astonished that this bickering is going on when there are important issues not only facing Ratana's relevance to the younger generation but National issues which could affect the very fabric of Aotearoa New Zealand's existence ,our founder would be furious .WAKE UP !!! David Seymour is trying to challenge the validity of The Treaty of Waitangi thru a Referendum ,CHALLENGE HIM collectively as a leading point for the whole of Aotearoa, this must be stopped in its tracks thru nationwide discussion and protest !! (perhaps in an odd way ,does that mean that the land and resources returns to Maori ) some investigations are needed over high court and British judicial (they're still our highest judiciary ,colonial ties) decisions .
The Ratana Pa should elect and ordain a leader internally
It is a religion, not a representative democracy open to exploitative lobbying or rallying to create a power grab to install alternate leaders or divide the parishes.
Please explain: what is the difference between "power" and "control"
The Most High God is the head of Christ who is the head of the Church and all men, who is the head of his wife. HE is not the author of confusion, only men excepting the Christ. "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand".. a 900 year plus prophecy. If the Christ or anointed, is not at the head of the church then all is in vain. Oh my people are destroyed for their lack of knowledge.
When it comes down to it, they are just men and women.....like me and you.....lack of knowledge? I disagree, lack of wisdom in how they use that knowledge, everything we need to be successful is within mans grasp, its up to man how he uses it, between the true church of the true god is not found without, it is not made of wood or precious stones, but lies within the heart, within.
Hosea 4:6 (KJV) My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Job 28:28 (KJV) And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
Let the Lord God Almighty choose. Any other way will never settle. The church will be divided.
I liked when they used to fight for Māori Land back
Its prophecy full stop. They will work it out. Wish they hadnt involved the pakeha system to do it. Ah well
It is very sad what's happened to our Morehu katoa. It is a human doing thats split our Haahi, human can sort it before it escalates even further. Mangai Ae.
My dad was bought up on Ratana Pa
Jesus Christ said, that HE - not men - but He, will build HIS Church - not the church of man - but HIS CHURCH, and the gates of hell including every false prophet, preacher, pastor, teacher, shall NOT prevail against HIS CHURCH. Christ and HIS teachings are the Cornerstones of HIS Church, and He has taught very clearly in His HOLY WORD, that in these last days that we are now living in, there will be a great falling away from His teachings, resulting in a turning away from HIM - and in stead of following Christ and HIS WORD the Holy Scriptures, so called Christians together with their false prophets, preachers, pastors and teachers will follow after the doctrines of demons and eventually all these people will finish up in HELL itself. I encourage us all who call ourselves followers of Christ and worshippers of the one true God - to read our bibles -- its all there loud and clear. We do not need any prophet today - we have the eternal WORD of GOD and the Holy SPIRIT to guide is and to keeps us in the absolute and total truth and love of God, and the eternal life that Jesus Christ has given and continues to give, to those who believe in HIM and obey His teachings and commandments.
The original mindset the original intention from ratana the unification of the tribes to have a better life with the colonial mindset that had taken their culture and belittled it out of love came the strong true church or belief.
Our people as a Nation have always been divided,. Tribal wars, Tribal traditions will Allways Fall short of Gods Glory,... The God of Abraham an Issac had a Son who was Given Sovereignty over ALL... What is His name? All Glory to Our Father in Heaven
A Pakeha god.
Jesus is not a pakeha God, the pakeha used his name and faith too deceive the indigenous peoples of the world, please research for yourself. Jesus used Tahupotiki Wiremu Ratana, mightily.
@@JA.MMP274 lol my people die due to lack of knowledge,.. my people believe in many puny gods who offer only death,.. believe in speaking to dead people, you all are pagans believe in the creation not the Creator.
We are divided cos we allow hatana to intervene. Hopefully the light shines thru and shakes hatana off
@@JA.MMP274wrong not a pakeha God. Be informed before spreading that
Mangai Ae
Piki te Ora e te iwi Morehu TŪ ĀNA ❤
kia kaha te maramatanga kei roto & hei aha te politics. Tu tahi tatau kei raro te manakitanga a ihoa i nga wā katoa kaūa e whāti ēngari kā pōrangi hāere ……..
He Maori . Hē Morehu . Hē Wāirua Pāi
Mangai Ae
Wow many of my whanau i grew up knowing at ratana pa
You must Follow God's Word,God's Commands, God's Laws and He will see through to those who want to be blessed with all we Pray For, Especially on a small scale or BIG SCALE...
OUR TRUE FAITH IS GOD FIRST ND THEN WHAT WE DO FOR HE WANTS US TO HELP THE PEOPLE ON EARTH. NOT FOR OURSELFS.
Otherwise this is what God says in the Bible!
That's why I'm saying that there are many False Prophecys that don't Preach nd fufill God's Commands and Man will Lead roles as there own way. Not God's Way ..
Read the Bible again of what
I was told it was $$$that is causing ugliness
Whatever......no one on this planet has a clue what they are rambling on about. It's all a mental discussion. Work it out.
The Ratana movement like all old school Christian denominations has has been dying for 60 years. The Ratana faith like Ratana himself realistically is dead and exists only in the minds of a few dreamers, historians and ego trippers.
Disagree. 6 generations here. Regardless of what goes on We continue with our faith in Ihoa
And you would know how? If you aren’t part of the Ratana faith I don’t get how you think you know. I’m from Ratana and I see many people still supporting the faith and believing all across New Zealand. People still travel to Ratana for special occasions and celebrations to support. We even went on a matoro for the new tumuaki around the north island. Therefor the faith is not dead. Don’t go spreading false information when you are clueless yourself ☺️
Ur a ignorance and always will be..your the dreamer little 1 always will be😂😂😂😂
MOREHU'S LIVE STRONG,LOUD&PROUD. WE ARE WHO WE ARE. NO HUMAN'S WORDS OR FAITH CAN COMPARE AGAINST IHOA. THOSE WHO BELIEVE,
WILL UNDERSTAND.
if you LEFT (broke away) then you are the break away group 😂 simple sense people wake up
business as usual.....
This is what God's has predicted already there will be destruction for those who are not Faithfull to Him nd to lead his people to there Salvation. .God is not in there church if you practice false preaching.
This is not what God Wants for his children on Earth! God wants Leaders to lead the Lost back to his Kingdome of Heaven... Nothing is for Us but for him in the Ministry Work.
Is that Islam symbols?
The 5 point star and the crescent moon are freemason symbols, and are ancient witch craft symbols. All freemason churches, governments, business, sports teams use one or more of these symbols. Many countries around the world use these symbols on military and police uniforms.
My koro always disagreed with Kelly Pene cos he always spoke out of his arse lol said with as much respect as he gives out
Ive watched people over the years listening to Kereama. If spreading the faith is talking out his arse then more power to him❤
People follwed TW Ratana, a drunk. Crazy
Wow and u follow the system lol