Please do a video some time, or a series if required, that methodically explains the process of arriving at optimal speaker placement. That would be very graciously received!
Ceiling height (and angles) totally has a lot to do with the overall sound, overall size too definitely. I love hearing different rooms, listening closely to ones own footfalls etc. is a lot of fun.
And what is the most famous recording studio (The Beatles and Pink Floyd recorded there)? Abbey Road studios. I don't know about other studios, but this one has very high ceiling, and has very natural sound (to my ears).
@Douglas Blake No, but I can hear it. Abbey Road, in my opinion, sounds the best of all. You can here the sound of West coast 60's studios (in my opinion, these were very damped, so the sound is brighter), you can hear a lot of things, if you focus your attention to it. Abbey Road always sounds natural to me.
Just like finding the right distance from the front wall, you have to experiment with distance from the side walls as well. Another important factor is where the tweeters in your speakers are. If they are off center axis with the woofer you also need to try them to both the inside and outside to determine which gives better results.
A wall is a wall. It will amplify the mid-lower frequencies the nearer you get. So move the speakers away from both until the tonal balance evens out. Some speakers are tuned to sit in the corners, or against the back wall, so leave them there.
Why did you pick those GIK Digiwave (Impression Series) panels over the other options and patterns in the Alpha and Impression Series lineup? Did you simply prefer the aesthetics over the Alpha Series?
I like placing my speakers (JBL L100a) on the long wall of the room with the front baffles about four feet out from the back wall. Try long wall placement to avoid pesky side wall problems.
Paul, how did you arrive at the IRS's placement in your room, as it pertains to the side walls? I thought that more distance between the speakers would result in a wider soundstage and better imaging? And since the IRSs do not have side-wall interactions, you could spread them further apart. So how did you determine that where they are now (width wise) is best? Was it due to the base columns not being blocked, and they had to be where they are? And what would change if you increased their distance from each other? Thank you.
This is all very interesting stuff. I have my Canton Vento 7 towers 4 and 5ft away from side walls with no way to change that and one is 3 ft from a book case front wall. Other speaker has a brick wall behind, a little less than 3 ft. They are the same distance from my chair. I’d like to pull them out a little more but I’d need a sub to balance the bass. Can you put a sub in a fireplace? I have three doors, one rear door opens to outside and makes the 17 by 14 by 8ft room sound larger. Some people think you’re better off not having the same exact distances. Sandy Gross likes their Golden Ears near a side wall with wide spacing and toed in. Alot of ways to skin a cat.
That can help, however that's a frequency dependent solution. Whereas moving the speaker addresses all the freqs. To adequately and evenly absorb in a broadband manner, you'd need a few feet thick velocity absorption. Best practices include a combo of both, ie., distancing the speaker off the boundary, and treating the reflection. Also, geometrically angled sidewalls ... redirecting energy away from listening position until it's dissipated via diffusion or absorption, as well as allowing ample time to facilitate us hearing that reflected energy as a seperate entity (25msec-40msec).
Side wall- Use a diffuser (treats all frequencies), as opposed to single frequency absorbers. Allow some space too. Diffusers aren't a 100% perfect solution either.
@@SilverAudiophile Not really, as just like absorption, diffusion would needs massively ridiculous amount of depth... to work at all freqs. Actually diffusion would need even greater depth than absorption for any given freq.
Every time I see this listening room I wince !! To put it simply... the room is way too small !! With all the capital where with all in PS Audio I'm very surprised a purpose built room wasn't constructed ! I've done it ... my room has NO reflecting walls at all and the ceiling is vaulted .Maybe ( hopefully ) one day a new and larger more suitable listening room can be constructed... either that or scrap the IRS 's and replace them with more appropriate FR 30 's which would be far more at home in this existing room .
You want the room to be similar in size and shape to your customer's room in their home. It's great to have an optimized room for speakers, but that's not the reality for most buyers.
In my experience speaker distance from from side walls should not be under estimated. Too far away from side walls and my speakers sound compressed, I find 1m from sides seems to work perfect.
I like to disconnect speakers (a sound from speakers) from (side) walls. It is true that closer sounds wider, but also, to my ears, this "compressed" sound sounds more natural. I like this "natural" better. But, of course, it could be that there is something wrong with me (or my ears, :) ), or something is wrong elsewhere in my room. At the end, it is the preference of the listener. It is true that the "wider" sound envelops my room, so with that I am, like, bathing in the sound. I like speakers to be at least 1.25 meters (the centerline of speakers being 1.35 meters) away from sidewalls.
Love when I can actually understand what he's saying.Great vid!
Please do a video some time, or a series if required, that methodically explains the process of arriving at optimal speaker placement. That would be very graciously received!
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Yeah he spent years writing the book, it’s totally what you’re looking for.
Check out new record day’s L.O.T.S. Video for something quick.
@@halkdc I did, actually. Thanks!
@@graxjpg Didn't know speaker placement was part of the book. Thanks for the tip!
Is this true for horn speakers as well? Many Klipsch heritage designs seem to work good near walls
Please make this into a series. Setup With Paul
I cant help but feel ceiling height has to factor in as well here, overall room size too.
Ceiling height (and angles) totally has a lot to do with the overall sound, overall size too definitely. I love hearing different rooms, listening closely to ones own footfalls etc. is a lot of fun.
And what is the most famous recording studio (The Beatles and Pink Floyd recorded there)? Abbey Road studios. I don't know about other studios, but this one has very high ceiling, and has very natural sound (to my ears).
@@MarioPetrinovich And Altecs! Abby used classic Altec monitors if im not mistaken. Ill afford a set one day...
@Douglas Blake No, but I can hear it. Abbey Road, in my opinion, sounds the best of all.
You can here the sound of West coast 60's studios (in my opinion, these were very damped, so the sound is brighter), you can hear a lot of things, if you focus your attention to it. Abbey Road always sounds natural to me.
@@MarioPetrinovich SO the Beatles were using Altecs, but its some kinda fancy shmancy B&W setup @ Abby today.
Just like finding the right distance from the front wall, you have to experiment with distance from the side walls as well. Another important factor is where the tweeters in your speakers are. If they are off center axis with the woofer you also need to try them to both the inside and outside to determine which gives better results.
A wall is a wall. It will amplify the mid-lower frequencies the nearer you get. So move the speakers away from both until the tonal balance evens out. Some speakers are tuned to sit in the corners, or against the back wall, so leave them there.
Why did you pick those GIK Digiwave (Impression Series) panels over the other options and patterns in the Alpha and Impression Series lineup? Did you simply prefer the aesthetics over the Alpha Series?
I like placing my speakers (JBL L100a) on the long wall of the room with the front baffles about four feet out from the back wall.
Try long wall placement to avoid pesky side wall problems.
Paul, how did you arrive at the IRS's placement in your room, as it pertains to the side walls?
I thought that more distance between the speakers would result in a wider soundstage and better imaging?
And since the IRSs do not have side-wall interactions, you could spread them further apart.
So how did you determine that where they are now (width wise) is best? Was it due to the base columns not being blocked, and they had to be where they are?
And what would change if you increased their distance from each other?
Thank you.
The big IRS' do have sidewall interactions, they're simply different. All loudspeakers have sidewall interactions... dipole or not.
@Paul McGowan Thank you.
Do you get side wall interaction with Bi-Polar speakers?
He answers that question starting at the three minute 6 second mark
@@homerwinslow9047 No he said Di-pole.
There's a difference between dipole and bipole.
I don't know if the difference makes a difference.
This is all very interesting stuff. I have my Canton Vento 7 towers 4 and 5ft away from side walls with no way to change that and one is 3 ft from a book case front wall. Other speaker has a brick wall behind, a little less than 3 ft. They are the same distance from my chair. I’d like to pull them out a little more but I’d need a sub to balance the bass. Can you put a sub in a fireplace? I have three doors, one rear door opens to outside and makes the 17 by 14 by 8ft room sound larger. Some people think you’re better off not having the same exact distances. Sandy Gross likes their Golden Ears near a side wall with wide spacing and toed in. Alot of ways to skin a cat.
I have no side walls there are windows on both sides distance from floor standing boxes to window is 3 meters what now help
Will these speakers be replaced by your own speakers in this listening room when they are released?
Almost definitely not. This room was custom built for these speakers.
Maybe use an sound absorbing panel or curtain instead of moving the speaker inward.
That can help, however that's a frequency dependent solution. Whereas moving the speaker addresses all the freqs.
To adequately and evenly absorb in a broadband manner, you'd need a few feet thick velocity absorption.
Best practices include a combo of both, ie., distancing the speaker off the boundary, and treating the reflection.
Also, geometrically angled sidewalls ... redirecting energy away from listening position until it's dissipated via diffusion or absorption, as well as allowing ample time to facilitate us hearing that reflected energy as a seperate entity (25msec-40msec).
Side wall- Use a diffuser (treats all frequencies), as opposed to single frequency absorbers. Allow some space too. Diffusers aren't a 100% perfect solution either.
@@SilverAudiophile
Not really, as just like absorption, diffusion would needs massively ridiculous amount of depth... to work at all freqs.
Actually diffusion would need even greater depth than absorption for any given freq.
Every time I see this listening room I wince !! To put it simply... the room is way too small !! With all the capital where with all in PS Audio I'm very surprised a purpose built room wasn't constructed ! I've done it ... my room has NO reflecting walls at all and the ceiling is vaulted .Maybe ( hopefully ) one day a new and larger more suitable listening room can be constructed... either that or scrap the IRS 's and replace them with more appropriate FR 30 's which would be far more at home in this existing room .
What size is your listening room? Can you explain what you mean when you say there are no reflecting walls?
@@alexgibson4782 the room is roughly 45 sq metres and it has irregular pentagonal walls
I think that room was purpose built. They have a video series on building it.
You want the room to be similar in size and shape to your customer's room in their home. It's great to have an optimized room for speakers, but that's not the reality for most buyers.
When you pay attention the PA speaker in the live concert , you will notice that the speakers are pulled away from the corner
Imagine that system in a full anechoic chamber.
In my experience speaker distance from from side walls should not be under estimated. Too far away from side walls and my speakers sound compressed, I find 1m from sides seems to work perfect.
I like to disconnect speakers (a sound from speakers) from (side) walls. It is true that closer sounds wider, but also, to my ears, this "compressed" sound sounds more natural. I like this "natural" better.
But, of course, it could be that there is something wrong with me (or my ears, :) ), or something is wrong elsewhere in my room.
At the end, it is the preference of the listener. It is true that the "wider" sound envelops my room, so with that I am, like, bathing in the sound.
I like speakers to be at least 1.25 meters (the centerline of speakers being 1.35 meters) away from sidewalls.
But those bass drivers are pretty close to side walls.
Who the hell would even have those speakers in there room! Unless you are a totally rich audiophile
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I thought sidewalls also widen the soundstage to the right and left beyond the speakers?