0th Level Spells- Cantrips for Battlefield Control in 5E- D&D Discussions
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0th Level Spells- Cantrips for Battlefield Control in 5E- D&D Discussions
Surprising quite a bit of battlefield manipulation can be achieved through the use of a cantrip in 5th Edition Dungeons and Dragons. Some are very good at EOA, forced movement, or debuffing. What makes cantrip magic so good is one it scales with character level and two they never run out. A good controller should consider carefully the cantrips they have in their arsenal. Nearly all casters have access to control cantrips some have little like the bard and druid. The warlock has few. Than there is the sorcerer and wizard with a ton. The cleric is the only full spell caster with none.
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Nerdarchy y’all need to do animated stuff or break out a battle mat and show examples and maybe look at the camera(viewer) more cause watching y’all talking looking at each other is kinda lack luster compared to other d&d videos just some constructive criticism.......... or reroll a charisma based character 😐👍
I've Minor Illusioned a barrel over the party's halfling rogue, that he can see through, since he knows it's an illusion. Wait till someone passes by... the barrel stabs them, with advantage, with sneak attack...
Create a cardboard box for extra awesome.
Minor Illusion: Create a 5' visual barrier to block line of sight from ranged attacks.
Place heavy obscurement on yourself or ally (disadvantage to be attacked).
That's creative! I like it. :)
Or create sounds behind the enemy - maybe of footsteps or the sound of an unsheathing blade - that makes them paranoid that someone is sneaking up on them. Works best if there is darkness or some blind corners behind them, so they can never be sure there isn't someone sneaking around.
"Here come the reinforcements! Here come the reinforcements!"
Even better, this could grant advantage if one of your party is actually sneaking around making those noises. They'll never know what's real until they waste actions on saves. I'd rule situational, either advantage on stealth roles or attack roles.
I waited until the end for mold earth. The cantrip literally digs up the battlefield and also creates difficult terrain.
Don't forget that it creates instant full cover for anyone... instantly.
Bards can actually learn Thunderclap aswell. It doesn't put them above druids but it's worth keeping in mind.
Travis Cochran thanks missed that one.
Nerdarchist Dave
Also surprised _Minor Illusion_ got left out. A lot of people misuse it (because they create moving images, which they shouldn't be able to do), but even stationary images and sounds give you battlefield control, and the versatile nature of the cantrip allow you to create lots of different effects.
Also, battlefield control is augmented by having a high speed. I have a custom creature which is an intelligent, animated bun made of dough. It has 1 hp, but moves very quickly, and taunts enemies with _Vicious Mockery_ (to the effect that no one can catch it, like the gingerbread man). It's pretty hard to just eat the psychic damage when this thing is rolling circles around you. More than one such creature can be a real terror.
An arcane trickster with _Shocking Grasp_ can also be a holy terror. Start out of range, use a bonus dash action, and shocking grasp your opponent, taking away the reaction opportunity attack. Move out of melee range. Rinse, repeat.
Illusionists would like to talk with you
The ginger bread man LOL!
Nice thing about Booming Blade in my opinion is combining it with War Caster Feat so it can be used as a opportunity attack when they already plan on running
I love you guys but I gotta disagree. The warlock pact of the tome is obviously the best. Three extra cantrips from anywhere. They get more cantrips than anyone.
knox janowick Warlock pact of the tome beats sorcerer by 1 cantrip. But we are going off the base class. Also sorcerer and wizard still have access to the most control cantrips. We actually address this in video later in the week.
Nerdarchist Dave
Who would choose a book over a sword or adorable pet?
@@KappaKiller108
Probably a NERD!
Tome Warlock cantrip master of control. Level 4 Warlock with Tome Pact and Magic Initiate. Chill Touch, Eldritch Blast, Mage Hand, Infestation, Thorn Whip, Vicious Mockery, Gust, Ray of Frost, and Shocking Grasp. Change any of them around as you see fit. Optional dip 2 levels into Moon Druid for CR 1 wild shape to give you an HP shield to run away with and pick up Frostbite and Mold Earth, or finish out after level 4 with Sorcerer and still pick up Frostbite and Mold Earth. That is 11 cantrips at level 5.
my sorcerer is laughing with their 11 cantrips
*Uses highest level Spell slot on magic missiles*
girclassgamer into the darkness
It's a solid choice, if you absolutely, positively _NEED_ something to die. Like a Terrasque or something.
N O using a 9th level magic missile on a Tarrasque is probably actually the worst thing you could possibly do
It would be ... interesting. Especially if the DM rolls a 6...
I approve of this, Magic Missile is awesomeness!!
Hey I know i'm late to the party on this one but Booming Blade is absolutely amazing with the War Caster feat.
Being able to "cast" booming blade as an opportunity attack means that the target is ALREADY in the process of willfully moving away from you giving you that 1d8 free extra damage.
Chill Touch is one that is very underrated in my opinion. It prevents any healing by the affected creature and if it's against an undead that undead has disadvantage on it's next attack against you. It also scales up with levels on the amount of damage it does
still like prestidigitation, thaumaturgy, and druidcraft. adds a bit a versatility outside of combat
Don't forget Light, which has use both inside and outside combat. No one wants to be fighting enemies you can't see.
That being said, the Cantrip description doesn't say the caster needs to be holding onto the item or be within a certain range for it to stay working. It's a set and forget spell that lasts an hour. I can imagine the caster putting it on a stone, then throwing it into a group of enemies while the area is otherwise in total darkness. Suddenly, YOUR allies are the ones with concealment, while the enemy is standing around a beacon in the dark. Great if your allies do their best work in the shadows.
Great flavorful cantrips all.
Nerdarchist Dave
Druidcraft does have tactical value, knowing the weather is important for any kind of battle plan.
Eldritch Blast (120ft). Eldritch Spear (upgrades to 300ft). Spell Sniper feat (doubles range of spells with attack rolls). And Distant Spell (Sorceror 3rd lvl; 1 sorcery point doubles range of spell). That's a 1200ft range spell that can push 10ft per blast! This can all be acquired at lvl 6 (5 for variant human). Can you even see 1200ft in normal situations?
That'll depend on if your DM allows it, I think. Does 5e even have any rules on stacking the same effect? In 3e we were explicitly told that multiplications stacked, but every multiplier was to the base effect, so 2 doublings = 1 tripling; does 5e have any similar clarification? If not, the DM could just rule that the effects overlap; 1 doubling from 2 sources = 1 doubling.
So, a very permissive DM might let you get away with 1200 feet, but a more conservative one might go by 3e logic and limit you to 900, while a harsh one would keep you at 600. Still very good, but less outrageously powerful.
@@djaevlenselv Theres no stacking Eldritch Blast effects. 4 eldritch blats will not move someone 40ft away, since its descriptive on the invocation itself.
And someone can see up to 2 miles in a clear day , the Dungeon Masters guide say so
@@luska5522 Incorrect. The new ones in Xanathar's limit to once per turn, but repelling blast from the Players Handbook does not have the same limitation. It simply states that each time you hit, it can push the enemy 10' away. If you hit with all 4, it moves 10' for each. If you somehow cast the spell a second time, such as Ravnica's Illusionist's Bracers, you can move them up to 80' away. Repelling Blast is the only one though, the rest are one per turn.
@@CallenExile Thanks for the clarification
this build requires binoculars.
Wow. Ignition completely off the table as a battlefield effect.
Checking with history, the number of times fire was used to direct, repel, or stop troop movements is enormous. Firebolt is not only a great way to attack targets, but it can set grass, wood, cloth, or any number of combustible materials alight. All it needs is that these things not be worn or carried. Like the grass people are standing in. Or the pavise a crossbowman or archer is hiding behind. Or the wooden barricades archers are firing from behind or through. Or the parapet they're walking on. Or the tents their reinforcements are in....it goes on and on.
Lowly Prestidigitation can be used to ignite fires. Or extinguish campfires, blinding opponents. Control Flames can make existing fires move in ways nature never intended, starting new blazes like a twisting fire snake as a single cooking fire arches to alight tents, weapon racks, etc.
I played a (Red) Draconic Sorcerer, so you can expect that I lit banners, controlled torches, ignited the grass or forests around targets, and generally created mayhem.
There's a reason fire has been the oldest and still most commonly used element in combat.
I like extinguishing light sources (campfires, torches) on enemies that do not have darkvision!
Mike Gould we took indirect affects of the table for the purpose of this video. They all valid points.
Nerdarchist Dave
Never underestimate the power of a single creative magic user to alter the course of a battle.
I don't think control flames works the way you think it does. True, the flame snake is a cool effect, but unless those idiots put their tents 5 ft away from the fire, you couldn't ignite their tents with control flames. Now firebolt or create bonfire totally could, but that's a separate action.
Ha! You couldn't ever partner with a druid, lol.
On Critical Roll, Scanlan the Bard did use a yo mama joke on an enemy ass the killing blow.
You can also reach out with your shocking grasp with your familiar doing it for you
Exactly right, Kyubii972! Familiar attack roll with advantage on metal wearing targets, zaps them with scale-able damage (NO SAVE!), and takes away their reaction without using a spell slot is hard to pass up.
I like using this tactic to help the front line fighters when battling enemies with reactions like Parry. It's can be a game changer.
This might also give some usefulness to taking a regular spider as a Familiar. Plant them on the enemy's person, use Shocking Grasp through them every round, and laugh as they freak out about the damage that seems to come from nowhere.
I was always of the opinion that shocking grasp + war caster was amazing because it allows you to get attack of opportunity for 2d8 at level 5 with a potential to crit. Also they can’t make AoO if you hit and advantage on metal armor and at level 17 an AoO crit is 8d8. Pretty strong when it happens.
Good point.
Nerdarchist Dave
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Jeremy Crawford had stated that works like fear, turn undead etc the cause you to run is not considered forced movement so it would triggered booming blade and OA as normal.
Chikiko Saotome This is why dissonant whispers is so op. 3d6 psychic damage on a failed wis save and give any melee an opportunity attack on the creature. Half damage on a save.
I just had to tweet jeremy crawford, because i just thought what happens you have someone with war caster feat hit a target with booming blade. then someone casts fear/dissonant whisper/etc. so the target runs away, triggering the booming blade effect. it also triggers an OA from the caster. because they have the war caster feat they can cast a spell as an OA. So they cast ... Booming Blade!? what happens now? they MUST run away but doing so would trigger yet another booming blade effect. If the caster is 5th level using a rapier, it will take 2d8 damage from the initial attack, when it runs away it will take another 2d8. if it gets hit by the OA it will take another 2d8 from the attack and the 2nd runaway damage is yet another 2d8. if this is all possible that means the target is taking 8d8 damage from booming blades and if the fear was started by dissonant whispers another 3d6. 8d8+3d6. Just wow. I hope i was able to word it so that he understands what i was trying to ask since post is obviously much larger than a tweet can be. but once he responds i'll post his reply.
I finally got a some rules clarity on this. (specifically the OP scenario i postulated below) Booming blade can't be made to work this way. So according to Jeremy crawford, Dissonant whispers spell forces the target to run away as a reaction, because of this they will provoke attacks of opportunity. However, because the spell forces the target to run despite, it can not be considering willing movement even though it is not considered a forced movement. As such, a fear type spell will not trigger the booming effect. So if you had war caster you could hit them with booming blade as an OA but the movement damage wont trigger unless they wililngly choose to move. It still makes dissonant whispers and other such fear spells pretty strong, especially if you have a paladin or someone with the war caster feat who can use a spell like booming blade as an oa. (or a paladin with booming blade and warcaster)
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My favorite control combo is easiest with the Druid. Thorn Whip, Create Bonfire, Sentinel, and War Caster. See, bonfire does damage when you first cast it, AND the first time any given target enters it during the round, AND when someone ends their turn in it. So, cast Bonfire under your target, it does damage. They try to step away, and you thorn whip them back into it with your spell of opportunity from War Caster. Bonfire does its damage again. Sentinel then sets their speed to zero, so they have no choice but to end their turn in the Bonfire, so it does its damage again. 3 Bonfire hits and a Thorn Whip hit, all in one round, so 6d8+2d6 by the time you can do it at 8th level (since you need 2 feats), 9d8+3d6 at 11-16th, and 12d8+4d6 at 17-20th.
Smart enemies won't try to get out of the bonfire twice, but that means you have control of their movement.
I see a problem with your combo. Smart enemies will move around you while staying in your threat range. Or move around and then leave. Thorn whip would pull them back, but not back to the bonfire square. It still works situationally but it's a big resource commitment for a situational combo. But I bet it feels great when it works. How are you handling melee as a druid? D8 and hide armor only go so far.
And I don't think they would take bonfire damage again when they attempted to move since your reaction kicks in when they attempt to leave and sentinel means if you hit them, they don't move. Still, they would take the damage twice: once when you cast and at the end if their turn. And as Meatloaf sang, "don't be sad, 'cause 2 out of 3 ain't bad." 😁
No create bonfire? Or was this posted before xanthars?
Sorlock, booming blade with shelleiglagh and reppeling blast
My tanky EK makes great use out of Lightning Lure + Booming Blade. Boils down to "Get over here and stay put!"
It's a decent way to make him "sticky".
I'd put warlock at the top, because a tome pact warlock gets access to every other caster's spell list, not to mention if you start throwing in the magic feats that also add more controls from any spell list as well.
Also booming blade is good for a Gish character because as you level up the initial damage is also increased up to 4d8 plus your weapon damage. So you deal extra damage extra damage on your Tack and your movement prevention. As a fighter sorcerer I use this to compensate for not having multiattack or if there are two enemies close enough I'll use green flame blade to do the same thing but if there was only one enemy in range I will use booming blade to prevent them from reaching my teammates
Chikiko Saotome love green flame blade.
Nerdarchist Dave
Bards also get Minor Illusion, which can be used to create illusory battlefield terrain.
I used Minor Illusion to put an opaque barrier between a caster and an enemy allowing the caster to back away without provoking an attack of opportunity (since you need to see the target) without using a spell slot.
Create some illusory barrels to grant cover..."Wall off" corridors...block line of sight for retreating from melee and/or preventing ranged attacks...and much more. Minor illusion is easily one of the best control spells.
@@sillvvasensei Couldn't you just disengage
I’m making a draconic sorcerer half elf (drow) that has lightning lure, poison spray, control flames, and prestidigitation as the cantrips. The combo I’m planning goes something like this: prestidigitation to light a small campfire 5 feet in front me > control flames to expand the fire in a roaring 5x5 cube of flame > lightning lure (possibly twinspelled) to draw in the unfortunate > poison spray to add insult to injury.
Will take a few turns to set up but I think the results will be nice.
Did Gust get errata-ed and I missed it? You are saying its omni-directional, but all of the descriptions I can find say that the movement is only pushing away from you.
I loved this recent session we had underwater, I got so much use out of Shape Water, freezing big chunky 5' walls at a time
Underwater?
tell me more!
did you have any aquatic player races?
Oh, nah, I cast Water breathing on everyone, it was just a single session for an otherwise land-lubbing party.
Did you completely forget about Bonfire? Area effect, like a cloud of daggers but fire damage...
Sadly only within 5 feet. Would have been nice if they added area instead of more damage as you level up
Here's an idea I had for Druicraft. The party sneaks up on a group of foes, and is going to attack. Before they do, the Druid creates and weaves plants around the feet of one of the guys just standing around. Preferably the most armored one, since his leg protection and boots might prevent him feeling it happen. It'll take a while, but I can see Druidcraft eventually creating a snare of plant matter, _literally_ rooting the guy in place. So when the fight starts, this guy tries to jump into action, only to waste his turn as he figures out that he's stuck. Then he has to use another turn freeing himself, assuming he makes his Strength check (which he might not, even if he is a burly guy).
While he's stuck, that's him basically out of the fight for a round or two, while the party thins the rest of the enemy forces.
You could also use this trick on other things, like inanimate objects. That same Druid, once he snares the enemy tank, could take a minute to weaves vines and roots around the enemy's weapons or equipment, if they happen to have them lying around. Save that other guys were sitting around a table, while their swords or spears or bows were set aside (but in reach, of course). Wrap those in roots too, and when the fight starts, they have to choose between trying to pull their armaments free, or trying to make do with something else if they don't have the time.
Mold Earth, difficult terrain.
Or a 5' block of dirt to take cover behind
Too bad you can only make a couple of squares difficult terrain at one time. But the pit function is pretty cool.
Minor Illusion is a great control spell. It just takes a little imagination. You may not be able to literally turn your staff into a flaming greatsword. But you can make it appear as such. Or make a chasm appear on the battlefield. Or make a familiar look massive.
Illegal. You can't place Minor Illusion in moving targets. Well, you can, but that would be stupid. The cantrip is static, it freezes where you put it. The spell you're looking for is Silent Image, which you can animate as an action or Disguise Self to change your overall appearance and the stuff you carry or wield. Or play as a warlock and take the Misty Visions + Mask of Many Faces invocations and have fun
@@fftere maybe if he was an illusionist. Or is the duration of minor illusion too short?
I think the first one is technically possible, but your chasm would be a 5'x5'x5' hole, and you straight up can't do the last one.
ohhh with Warcaster feat, cast Create Bonfire under the enemy infront of you, on thier turn they wanna step off the fire provoking AoO, you slash them with Booming Blade, making them choose between fire or thunder!
Lightning lure(I call it Lightning Lash) is situational and not much dmg, but it is so cool to use especially on an EK: your Sorcerer has a big scary brute in her face about to wail on her but behold as you run up "GET OVER HERE!" Followed by a weapon swing, just epic and good control.
Cesar the Clever unless the enemy stepped sideways then they would still be within 5ft of you.
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Joshua Branner not sure. Maybe something to do with being logged into Google or not?
Nerdarchist Dave
Nerdarchy I only watch TH-cam from my phone though. Oh well, I enjoy y'alls content enough that I'm willing to watch it again. Adds and all, I don't have enough money right now send to others. But I can sit through all the adds that are attached to my favorite creators. I just wish I knew why it was happening.
Create Bonfire is good for closing off a move route.
Infestation can force an opponent to move, possibly triggering someone else's booming blade.
Friends can make an enemy leave the battlefield for a few rounds if you pull it off before combat starts.
True Strike(gag) is good for a rogue who has literally no other options for sneak attack damage.
The elemental cantrips have their uses. I built a Warlock who uses Shape Water to create frozen spaces of terrain to move over water. She needs Boots of the Winterlands to pull it off fully though.
Mold Earth can make a 5' mound of at least difficult terrain.
infestation can't set of booming blade as it's forced movement and booming blade won't trigger on that. could place them in a situation where they want to move even more though which is nice.
@@vinx.9099 That's true, I forgot 5e likes to place those arbitrary restrictions.
Infestation from UA: Starter Spells seems like fun :) Havent had the chance to test it though
never thought of booming blade + black tentacles or fear.....nice
Pst Ted, Revivify, Spare The Dying, & Speak With Dead ARE ALL NECROMANCY SPELLS & all are spells YOU HAVE USED.
You missed the uses for Bonfire, Mold Earth, and Minor Illusion. Also certain feature synergies like a Death Cleric with X2 Chill Touch. Id like to to hear a followup video going into more controler character builds. (Or in my case, how my illusionist Wizard ruined my DMs Storm Kings Thunder Campaigne)
Gust get out of my face politely
Warlock with pack of the tome would give a Warlock some of those Wiz/Sorc cantrips.
I used lightning lure to save a man going overboard from getting flown away by grells
I've done a similar trick as well. It helps if the DM is willing to be a little fluid with the timing rules to allow a dramatic rescue.
Deec Cummings it also helps that creatures tend move half speed while dragging creatures equal to their size
As long as they are not down. Dealing damage to unconscious/dying is two failed death saves. I wish there was a non-damage pull effect spell so you could do this more often.
How about infestation, it causes fleas to attack your target doing 1d6 piercing and con save or have your target move in a random direction based off a d8. You could do that with any enemies engaging your meat-shield to give them attacks of opportunity.
The spell specifically denies this use. No opportunity attacks.
Death domain cleric with chill touch.. 2 targets + debuff..
booming blade on a is phenomenal on rogues in particular and the melee clerics, or frankly anyone in melee who doesn't get multi attack once you hit 5th level. It's like getting sneak attack + where you can throw 1 extra d8 on the one attack you get and with the possibility of an extra 2d8 free if the creature moves, like for instance a rogue running up poking something and then disengaging away (or with the swashbucler or the mobile feet you can walk up poke them and just walk away for free so you can get a free bonus action poke if you want to duel wield.)
Booming Blade is fun for a Swashbuckler or somebody with the Mobile feat because you can move up, Booming Blade, and then move away.
It's also great with War Caster feat for using as an attack of opportunity and forcing them to make the decision if they'll keep moving.
There is an Unearthed Arcana that adds a pulling affect to your Eldritch blast Eldritch blast truly is one of the best cantrips if you deck it out right and don't mind giving up all of your invocations for it
If you have time to prep for a fight I would say mold earth, you could make a dry most in just a few hours
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One of my friends likes to use the "bee" cantrip against enemy magic users. She aims for their nose or other sensitive areas to distract the enemy casters so they can't cast spells.
Arcane trickster + Booming Blade
Hit with Booming for action, then cunning action away ( or just use a weapon with longer reach )
rar booming blade has a reach of 5 ft. and so can't be used with the 10ft. reach weapons have.
now i think this is stupid so in the game i'm playing in and the one i'm dming in it does work. just discuss with your dm first.
this video made me think of a cool theme for a sorcerer.
divine origin sorcerer who can only use cantrips. 24 on the list for sorcerers and they get 4 at the start. They can then choose a new one each level. They still receive all spell slots and levels for metamagic and other class benefits. Just that their divine origin included a trickster god who thought it was funny to only allow them to use cantrips. I believe they could still be quite beneficial to a group if used creatively.
That reminded me of the time that Dave from KOTDT played a wizard for the first time. It was Hackmaster, not D&D, but he made a gnome titan wizard (gnome titans were melee focused gnomes) whose Int was so low he couldn't cast 1st level spells. So all he had were cantrips. And Hackmaster had a bunch of weird enchantment cantrips like shift blame (where for the duration, everyone thinks someone else did whatever you did) or knowing smile (where you can make someone do a knowing smile to act like they know you) Anyway, Dave combined all these cantrips to get free drinks and then slip out before they could get caught. Hackmaster is more combat based than D&D. (It's a modification of the old 2nd edition rules) and it has more of a munchkin feel to it. D&D is hesitant to allow these minor enchantment cantrips because of the abuse players would get into. That's why friends is the only enchantment cantrip and it automatically ticks the subject off so you can't spam it.
I love Booming Blade for an arcane trickster. Stab and run. I dare you to chase me.
I currently play a White Dragonborn Devotion Paladin/Celestial Warlock and Booming Blade is one of the best things in the game for me.
Grasping vine is by far my favorite cantrip not for any mechanical reason but instead because I would pull zombies to me and then the paladin who had the turn after me would just destroy them and since it's a cantrip we could do this over and over again
Mold earth
Make traps, cover, help movement , and trap defence/escape
Booming blade is my favorite cantrip.
they are wrong about gust
One Medium or smaller creature that you choose must succeed on a Strength saving throw or be pushed up to 5 feet away from you.
Super-epic-hero-awesomeness!
Add in a level of Sea Sorcery origin sorcerer, and those forced move cantrips add an extra 15 feet to their kick.
Makes me wonder how Lightning Lure works with it. The LL has a range of 15, and pulls them 10 closer to you, so they'd normally land 5 feet away. The Sea Sorcerer adds 15 to the distance of the pull, though.
They would pull 10' past you, granting an attack of opportunity, which if you had I think War Caster, you could make with a Single Target Attack Roll Spell. So you could hit them with a pushing spell on the way by and toss em like a Salad.
Gust can only push the target away from you.
I'd assume that Repelling Blast works separately with each hit of Eldritch Blast, just like Agonizing Blast. If you attack the same target with multiple beams, you make attack rolls for each hit, so you add your invocations to each beam - if they all target the same creature, they add up... at least that makes sense to me.
shmuckling late reply, but that’s exactly how it works.
You’d be knocking the enemy back for every single separate blast that hits them, which is awesome
Did you somehow forget lightning lure ?
No they covered it. In the forced movement category.
How do you guys feel about the cantrip Mind Sliver as a debuff cantrip?
Ray of Frost is actually busted in a lot of situations
Moderate damage and -10' to move is busted in a *lot* of situations?
Ray of Frost could keep you planted (reduce speed to 0) if you have already reduced the enemies speed with a battlefield control spell. But most battlefield control spells that reduce move down to 10 or 5 feet also obscure vision in some way.
So you'd have to have the enemy succumb to one or two spells already cast in order to lock them down; and you'd have to have a build that can see through the visual obscurement in order to be able to take full advantage. So we are talking multiple spells and specialized build in order to take advantage of a cantrip.
Seems far from broken. What were you thinking of?
create bonfire:
create a bonfire on the ground (5ft. square), every creature in it must make a dex save or take d8 fire damage. con for 1 minute, any creature that ends their turn in it or moves into it must also make the save. it's a square of "don't go here". put it in a choke point for free damage on every enemy, make them walk around a certain square. you can probably be creative.
If your fighter has Sentinel, he can lock their movement inside the bonfire.
Can't Thornwip pull someone into it?
@@caramonmajere447
sentinel still only triggers when they leave your range, so they can just walk around you to leave the bonfire.
thornwhip would work, though it does require quite a bit of positioning.
Mold earth allows you to dig a trench for ranged members giving you partal cover in soft dirt and you could debate what happens if you push the dirt out from under someone in battle. Do they lower does it slide the dirt out from under them wrecking their footing does their magical resistance effect the ground the stand on?
I wouldn't put AoE or multiple targets under "battle field control" if all they are doing is damage. Could say "crowd control" but it's not impacting the battlefield, applying any status effect, impairing movement, buff/debuff, limiting what creatures can do or giving consequences for certain actions, anything like that. Plus there's tons of spells that can damage more than one enemy that end up really cluttering the category of "control"
Removing groups of enemies sounds like control to me.
I disagree with the Cleric being so low on the list JUST based one particular domain you can choose and take ,as you discussed, Chill Touch, which is awesome. This domain is...Death. Your character's alignment needn't be evil either just neutral and select Kelemvor as your deity. Now Chill Touch is regularly awesome but a Cleric of the Death Domain can choose two targets within 5 feet of each other with the Reaper ability which is amazing! Oh the DM says they seem to be resistant to Necrotic damage, Inescapable Destruction at lv. 6 says well...my necromancy is pure and ignores such resistance.
Even if its hampered by a DEX-save mechanic: "Sacred Flame" ignores any cover your enemies have oO. Well..
And for close quaters there is "Word of Radiance"... EACH creature of your choice within range must succed a CON-save or suffer.
Both cantrips are nice ouchies😅
Shocking Grasp into Disintegrate works. Because Counterspell is a reaction haha
Can't your familiar use the Shocking Grasp for you?
Saves you from getting into melee range.
Druids get create bonfire and best of all move earth. Given a heads up for a fight in the woods and you can create your own battlefield
With the addition of more books, this needs an update.
some thunder and lightning xp yes!
Do you think you could make bard build all about making minions (animated objects, animal friendship, dominate person...)? Also, should unseen servant be able to deliberetly trigger a trap?
There needs to redux since for new cantrips like Mind Sliver.
Is Thunderclap available to Bards. I see so many conflicting things online.
How many cantrips can you possibly use in a single turn? For eldrich blast, if you are a high enough lvl of warlock, that’s automatically two. Still I wonder what other cantrips can you continue to do on your turn/action
Just looking on dndbeyond and it says that gust only pushes away from you, not in any direction you choose. Seems to contradict the video.
If you're a caster in melee trying to get out, you're better off taking the disengage action rather than using shocking grasp to maybe hit and deny a reaction.
Wait, would the removal of regeneration from chill touch cancel the tarrasques healing allowing it to be permanently killed?
It's a bit annoying that Bard's don't have much in the way of controlling cantrips. After all, a control character is probably one of the more viable builds with a bard. Although I guess the Bard just has bellow average cantrips in general (or at least not combat effective ones).
Gust specifically says it pushes away from you...
Who's the guy in the middle? I love his uncomfortable smiles
Bradley melton Nate the Nerdarch. They found him eating leaves in the yard and wrangled him into the basement.
I approve of this characterization
Where did he go?
Why would an enemy know that moving would do damage to them with booming blade? You guys are only arguing from a metagaming perspective.
Create Bonfire helped a group i was in. We had two of them going down a long and narrow passageway that a group of maybe 15 lizardfolk chasing after us had to come through to get us. This helped with lighting to fight and they would jump through one to be faced with another. After the bonfires they faced 4 readied adventurers. We would of been swarmed otherwise and then insult to injury our ranger used his only level 2 spell for spiked growth behind and underneath them. I know it wasnt only a cantrip battle but the bonfires started off strong as a crowd control. Jump through fires and swords or run through a spikey death.
Just for flavor ill tell you the end of combat, i did a called a hand crossbow shot at the last lizardfolk to hit him in the ankle for potentially stopping his escape for non lethal damage... Rolled Nat 20 😳 DM was kind enough to oblidge after the 20 then we pursued exciting RP... (Spared his life for info)
As not so "experienced" player some of this cantrips are unknown for me. Could you add a spell text later in editing???That would be great.
Alex Voznesenski they can't. they would be forced to take down the video if they tried.
Oh shit.....i didn't thought about that...yeah....
What they could do is reference page numbers, they do that more so with new books though. If you're new Nerdarchy has a lot of fantastic backlogged content.
Spells that require targets to be next to or within 5 feet of each other, are pretty much useless, because how often is that going to happen?
Check to see if the spell can be cast through your familiar.
ESPECIALLY THE WIZARD.
ESPECIALLY THE WIZARD.
ESPECIALLY THE WIZARD.
ESPECIALLY THE WIZARD.
I feel like a charismatic character with shocking blast has a lot of potential. Imagine making a deal and having a character shake hands to seal the deal. Then bam shocking grasp and run.
Frostbite is so much worse than vicious mockery, it only works on weapon attacks.
Swashbuckler using booming blade and fancy footwork. They don't get an opportunity attack. Poke em step back. If they want to attack they have to move.
Bard vicious mockery, minor illusion, prestidigation and mage hand. All cantrips that can be used for battlefield control. Sorry bard is just under warlocks.
Shield master +booming blade
Knock them down then they have to move to get up. Don't know if that's how it works or not but it's how the paladin rolls in my game
Travis Bohrer and prone gets advantage on melee attacks
so wait... can you cast booming blade in melee and not give attack of opportunity to the enemy? bc they are spells and in melee range... i always thought that I get to hit them bc theyre swirling their hands around like a crazy person spitting jibberish while i have a sword pointed at them
Tyler Phillips I dont think it works that way with cantrips. You just release energy. With actual spells you get to stab them
The enemy would have to have the Mage Slayer feat to hit you for spellcasting in melee. If you've played earlier editions then I see why you would think that then because it used to be the way you describe without casting defensively. In 5e we don't have to deal with that.
Shadowgear as per below spell casting does not provoke an opportunity attack, unless there is some special feat that gives you the ability, only moving out of combat range will provoke an OA
Tyler Phillips although this was true in 3.x that's not true in 5e. I believe it just they basically reduced the complexity or/and the amount of time it takes to finger wag your spells so you don't get any free hits on them. Plus it assumes as the career your not just going to ignore the battle going on around you to carry a spell. So essentially all spells are cast defensibly
You're assuming my wizard swirls their hands around like a crazy person spitting jibberish when casting a spell.
I remember one time where they just pointed at the guy and said 'sleep,' and they did. ; )
Like 1,000 ;)
What are they? For someone who doesn't want to spend 16 minutes to find out.
1st comment :D yay