How to fix a defective bail that won't fully trip
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- This video shows how to fix a common spin fishing reel problem. It is the bail that won't fully close when tripped. Watch this to see the cause and the solution. I have been servicing fishing reels for over 20 years and am sharing my experiences here. If you enjoy the video, please "like" it. If you want to see more, please subscribe.
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Thank you for viewing - Dennis
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This nearly-five-year-old-video is still helping get those old reels working properly. Had this problem with many reels, but didn't know the fix. Now I do!
Thank you Sir!
Glad it helped! It is one of my most popular posts! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Thank you partner, I was fiddling with my reel greasing, stretching the spring and figured parts were just worn. But with this video I have it working . 15 years with this reel
Dennis your video was exactly what I needed for fixing my reels. Thank you.
Great to hear! Thanks for the feedback - Dennis
thanks so much for this bail video.
never thought about bail being bent as a cause.
always thought it had to be a bail spring.
john
Thanks for the comment John. Please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
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Thank you for taking the time to make these videos. Fixed 2 4500a baitrunners watching this.
You are welcome. I appreciate the feedback. Please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
That was what I’m trying to fix
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I kept thinking it was an internal problem with the spring mechanism. You're a lifesaver. (not for fish, though.)
YW - thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Thanks for this video Dennis. I took your advise and looked at my Mitchell 406 again and yes you are right. Bent bail wire. And the new one that I bought also needed to be adjusted which I never would have thought. I just learned another valuable lesson from you! Thank you and stay safe!
Glad it helped. There is a geometry to these things and anything out of alignment causes a problem. Best wishes - Dennis
THIS WORKED!!! My 25 year old Shimano Stradic bail was not always tripping (I've kept this smooth-as-silk workhorse in great condition and LOVE it) ....I was hunting on ebay to track down a spring....and came across this. It was almost an inch out ...thanks for this 100% effective fix!
Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching. The first time I figured it out wa truly an aha moment. Since then I've found so many that I have fixed with the simple process. I'm glad it worked for you. Best wishes - Dennis
I watched this video, and went and fixed my bale wire. Bent it to release the tension and voila, it works again. Thanks for the great video.
Glad it helped! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Don't know why this video popped into my feed, been watching a lot of fishing videos but no fixing videos, but I needed exactly this for an old Shakespeare I have. Isn't 100% but it made a definite big improvement.
Thanks.
Thanks for watching and subscribe if you would like to see more. I work on all types of reels and show how to take them apart and Repair each in a step by step process. On your bail, keep playing with the geometry and I'm sure you will get it to work better all the time.
Best wishes - Dennis
Thank you so much for this, makes total sense, I'll try this on my Shimano bait runner, then all I need to figure out is how to stop the drag jamming.
You are welcome. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
You just saved me the repair costs on 3 reels! Thanks for the video!
Glad to help
In Five minutes after watching this video fixed my Daiwa Kastor 2000 and 5000 reels, in 4 minutes, Big Thanks 👍
Great to hear! Glad it helped - Dennis
Thanks for sharing another informative video Dennis.
I have experienced this exact same problem before. Had I known at the time what the problem was and, the quick fix, I'd most likely still be using that reel.
Thanks again for educating me (us) on how to keep our tackle running smoothly.
Stan
You are welcome. Please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
Thanks Dennis, I always search for solutions to problems on your site first! Problem solved.
Glad to help! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Great explanation; simple and to the point. Thanks. Darlington, SC
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the feedback - Dennis
Dennis your videos are great! Helped me a lot with rebuilding and maintaining my grandfather’s reels to continue the fishing traditions!!
This video fixed my Penn Battle 3 after I guess I bent the bail wire when I was servicing my reel. It's such an easy fix, I felt stupid after.
Amazing knowledge and experience! Thank you! Watching every video you’ve made. Please keep them coming.
Well if you watch every one (400+) you will be a busy guy! Thanks for watching and for your feedback - Dennis
Awesome fix. Took less than 2 minutes. Fixed my son's reel. #ProudMom
Way to go! You should be proud! - Dennis
just got someone comeing round to buy 2 reels of me on marketplace i was a bit worried got that problem on both reels followed your video both working good now great video
Happy to help! Thanks for the note - Dennis
As others have stated, thank you for this simple fix. It worked well on my Penn Battle II. 👍 David
You are welcome. Thanks for watching - Dennis
I have the same reel!!!!!!!!
Good job fixing that ya your right I bought a reel that is all that was wrong with is easy fix got the reel for 5 dollars
Sounds like a great purchase!
Thank you Dennis for your superb video. Ive been having problems with one of my spinning reels and thanks to you I have fixed the issue.
Thank you
Glad to help. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Thanks Dennis, that little work just saved on of my favorite reels.
Glad to hear it has a 2nd Chance - Thanks
I would like to say thank you sir, my son and I both had malfunctioning Presidential reals in through your video I was able to repair both
Glad to hear that this helped. Best wishes - please stay watching - Dennis
Hours of frustration, solved by 30 seconds of bending the bail back to shape. Thks
You are welcome - please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
love this guy. saved so many of my reels. appreciated and recommended to all my fishing pals. godless
Thank you for the kind words. Stay tuned for more to come! Dennis
Great Advice! You help me get a non functional reel into a smooth running one.
Glad to help! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Dennis I thank you... your video helped me so much.. I looked for hours for replacement parts and how to videos but yours was exactly what I needed.... THANK YOU...
You're welcome. Sometimes the fix isn't what you think it is! Please stay tuned. Wishing you tight lines - Dennis
Thank you sir for making this video. It saved me from buying a new reel !
Glad I could help. Best wishes for great fishing - Dennis
Thanks for this information. I am a born tinkerer and I do reel repair as a hobbyist. I find your channel very helpful. Also, I just realized you are in the next town over. Kind of funny how I stumbled on your channel when you are only about 2 miles from me. lol.
That is funny. You are welcome to stop by once this pandemic thing goes away - Best wishes - Dennis
Thats it!! After many vids that didn't help, I found yours, perfect!! Thank you very much
Glad it helped. Sometimes it is the easy one that is overlooked. Best wishes for great fishing. Please stay tuned to my channel - Dennis
Wow, that was exactly my problem! I would have never thought of this, I assumed lube but I did this and it's fixed! Thank You!
Glad it helped! Thanks for the feedback and for watching - Dennis
Thanks for posting this informative video. Now I'll try fixing my son's reel.
Please let me know if it does the trick. Make sure the bail spring is good before you start bending the wire - Best wishes - Dennis
Hi Dennis, it turns out I had the fishing line on the wrong side of the bail wire. We're new to spinning rods, and although the bail wire wasn't faulty (human error instead), your video helped me to understand the mechanism. Thanks again for this helpful video - my son has already caught three fish and is enjoying what I imagine will become a lifelong hobby.
Thanks for the update. I am glad you got it working. Best wishes - Dennis
Fixing that bent wire immediately fix the issue. Thank you!
You are welcome. Please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
I was going to get rid of my old Mitchell 300, but this fixed it! Thanks!
Glad I could help! Now your reel has a 2nd Chance - Best wishes - Dennis
Again nice 1 Dennis you’ve fixed another 1 of my reel probs thank you
Glad it helped! Time to take it fishing - Best wishes - Dennis
Thank you Dennis for your insight and skills!
My pleasure! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Thanks so much! I have a Quantum SE1 ultralight in which the bail stopped tripping. Instead of unscrewing the bail wire by where the roller is, I just re-bent the wire on the opposite side of the roller with the screw in place, and the bail started tripping again.
Glad to hear that it is back fishing again. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Brilliant. I was about to replace the spring. Thank you!
You're welcome! Glad it helped and thanks for watching - Dennis
Worked perfectly, thank you for saving me time, money and frustration.
You're welcome! Thanks for watching. Please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
Thank you, Dennis. Now works perfectly🙂
Glad it helped. Best wishes - Dennis
You just helped me fix my reel. Thank you
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching and for your feedback - Dennis
Thanks.
Your video helped me out with a cheapo reel i'm planning on giving to my nephew whose a green novice.
Glad I could help. I hope you will be joining your nephew and showing him how to use the reel and catch a few fish too! Best wishes - Dennis
He enjoyed the new used fishing reel. It has no problems now.
Recently however, I just bought them another used reel. It's a Daiwa Longcast graphite EL 9000x.
It has the same issues.
Unfortunately when I tried doing this repair it didn't work because the other side isn't fixed like most newer fishing reels.
The wire is bent to go into the other end. So, it doesn't have that tension like newer reels.
How should I go about fixing this reels bail wire that won't close?
@@2ndChanceTackle
See my above post.
Thank you
Great videos you’ve helped me a lot with my old peen reels and Mitchell Garcias
Glad to have helped. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Thank you Dennis. I have a 710 with that problem, gonna give it a go.
I just got another Shimano in with the same issue. A bent wire transcends brand name. It should help - Dennis
That helped me so so much thank you VERY MUCH from the UK.
All I need too do know is the 1 screw ont bail arm where your line does and you open it up and it has the washer and bearing so I can clean it too let the line run free.
But the screw won't come loose any ideas that I could do too get a screw loose please, none of screwdrivers will work they just round it off???
Thanks Dave. Glad it helped. Thanks for watching and for the note - Dennis
Thanks this helped my reel and it needed a good cleaning
Glad I could help>. Please stay well and stay watching - Dennis
Thank you! I couldn’t figure out what was going on with an old Penn 716z that my grandpa gave me
Glad it helped - Please stay well and stay watching - Dennis
It worked the first time. THANKS!
Glad it helped. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Thanx boss🤝 It worked like a charm. You got a new subscriber.
Thanks for the sub and for watching - Best wishes - Dennis
Thank you so very much for your informative and helpful video. I always simply assumed the problem was due to worn bail springs. What grease and oil do you like to use for your repairs and general maintenence?
Thanks again
Glad it helped. I use Penn Precision reel grease and oil, but any fishing reel oil or greases will do. Just make sure they are for fishing reels not household or automotive applications - The Penn grease and oil is generally available online as a combination pack that includes the 2 ounce oil and a small grease pack - Dennis
Genius...I guarantee you some of them scholars at university wouldn't figure that out in a week... Brilliant 👍
Wow - thank you and thanks for watching - Dennis
Thanks again another great video I need to do this to my penn captiva 2000
You can do it! Best wishes - Dennis
Thanks for the video, My reel completes the trip except at one specific spot in the rotation. I am assuming the the mal-function is in the trip plunger? Very low use Pflueger Arbor, very nice reel and I don't mind tripping it manually. Unfortunately , I cracked the rotor trying the repair from this video,but it still works. Trying to decide if it's worth it to buy a new rotor and try to fix it as good as new.
The one point where it does not trip is likely at the base of the ramp where the most leverage is needed to flip it. It is not a defect and there is nothing you can do there. Simply note that point and set your bail after it. If you cracked the rotor, crazy or super glue an epoxy may help keep it together - Dennis
Fixed my favorite bail thank you!!!!!!
Glad to help! Thanks for letting me know - Dennis
Thank you for this video. Very helpful.....
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Very helpful! I woulda run out n either returned the reel I have where the pin will not trip to release line. I watched a few videos an all of em replaced the spring, wire or entire spinning unit (cannot think of the name) lol. Thanks . Im fixing my own like the awesome chick Fisherman I am
Glad it helped build your legend! Best wishes for great fishing - Dennis
Very good video. I appreciate the help.
Glad it helped - Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Nice thanks for teaching me...🙋♂️🙏
My pleasure 😊. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Worked perfectly. Thank you!
You're welcome! Thanks for watching - Dennis
Thanks Dennis! I am restoring an old Mitchell 402 Saltwater that had a bail issue where the wire was striking the handle on every 2nd or 3rd turn. Found the issue was that the entire bail had been bent backwards toward the handle direction. It took some very careful effort but it works fine now. I tried putting a 302 bail on it since the part is the same but I’ve got to get one of those Mitchell saltwater size tools. It’s a pain to do w/o one. I’ve got to put a new bearing in it. I was lucky that the set screws moved easily so I could get the old bearing out. It’s going to be a nice reel. If I understand it right a 402 is the high speed version of the venerable 302. It’s another Mitchell for my collection I have 10 now. Still want a 498 PUM someday. That’s the only Mitchell I want to add at this point. Have you ever worked on the auto-bail on a Mitchell Ottomatic. I have a beautiful 330. It’s a lot of fun to fish with it but a real pain to work on. This was a very interesting video!
Yes - the 402 is the same size as the 302. The gearing is different. Be careful with the bearings. Almost every time you get a bail hitting the handle, it is because the bail wire has been bent. It is usually the result of the reel being slammed against something like a pier rail, boat deck, etc. Occasionally it is a bent handle causing the problem, so always check both - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle I have decided to replace the handle Thel old one had been repaired and I think may have gotten out of alignment. Anyway I want the reel as close a possible to it's original condtion. I'm getting the schematic to help with replacing the bearing. Thanks Denni!
@@2ndChanceTackle Dennis i know i've said this before but i continue to be very grateful for what you generously give on TH-cam! I love my fishing reel hobby your videos and numerous responses have been a big part of it. I am very thankful!!!
You are very welcome. You can tell I enjoy doing this and I am grateful for those who watch and enable me to continue. Thanks again - Dennis
2nd Chance Tackle I look forward to every video you post. I admit I don’t work with conventional reels anymore but they still interest me. You seem to approach working on these reels almost like I approached playing the organ all those years. I was a concert organist giving recitals and dedicating new instruments. With my eye problems I can’t do that anymore so I took up collecting and restoring fishing reels after I retired. As always, only practice makes perfect! (And patience!)
Great to know. I've had the problem but always thought it needed a new spring. Thanks!
Glad to help - Thanks for watching - Dennis
Just did this to my Okuma Avenger ABF65...Fixed it...was going to replace it for sticky bail...I like to crank mine shut others like to close it manually..Just my thing I guess...Thanks
Nothing wrong with the manual flip. Some top end reels like the Shimano and Penn SpinFishers have gone to manual only for the flip - Thanks for watching - Dennis
I have two reals that do this. I will have to look to see if this was the problem. Crossing my fingers...Thank you!
I hope that helps - Thanks for the note - Dennis
Nobody had made a video about spinning reels that get stuck due sand while surfing fishing. How can you prevent that from happening?🙏
Does this go for new reels too? Is worth taking a look at a brand new reels an look at the bail and tweek it so it is perfect?
If you have a new reel with a bail trip problem, I would send it back to the manufacturer to cover under warranty. If you bent the bail wire on the new reel, then that is probably not covered and yes, you can use this technique to get it to work again
Dennis
BRILLIANT FIX
Thanks for the feedback and for watching Craig. Best wishes - Dennis
I have two Lews speed spool reels both the same model, but the bail on one reel is hard to flip over while the other is easy so do you have any suggestions on a fix like modifying a part on the reel.
It may be a bent bail wire. watch this video and see if it helps th-cam.com/video/fLHA0uTXHJQ/w-d-xo.html. Dennis
Thanks! Worked on my reel.
Yup - it's an easy fix that most folks don't think about. Thanks for watching - Dennis
Sir, I hope to find you in good health. I have a shimano ci4 plus. I’m wondering why I can’t hear the clicking noise when the bail wire is in operation. The spring is in there but no clicking sound.
It may be dried grease or dirt on the click tongue that attaches to the spring. Try a Spray it with penetrating oil to free that lever
Great video! Worked for me.
Glad to have helped. Thanks for the note
Good information, thank you
YW
Great information! Thanks!
Thanks for watching Allen. Please stay tuned for mere to come - Dennis
Thank u so much it fixed mine just like that
Glad I could help. Thanks for watching - Dennis
Thanks, I have a Pfleuger President I bet this will fix.
Give it a try! It fixes most of them
Very helpful, Thanks!
You are welcome. Thanks for watching - Dennis
How about bail arm not close properly sir??? Many clearance when close bail arm...
My problem is quite different. My Shimano Solstace 4000 with the Quickfire 2 trigger has the problem of a bail closing mid cast. I'll throw the lure and 20 yards later the bail closes shut. Also, there are times when the bait hits the water, I turn the handle to click close the bail and it remains open. That's not as bad, I should be manually closing the bail by hand anyway. I'm waiting to see my lure keep going one of these times when that bail slams shut mid cast! Any ideas?
You need to check the bail trip mechanism inside the rotor. It is most likely sticking and would need to be cleaned, If dirt is stopping it from fully setting, then the bail will move as you describe when you are casting - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Sorry to be naive but, is this "bail trip mechanism" located on one end of the bail spring, under the cover? Not the bearing end, the other end. Just unscrew the screw and have a look? Thanks.
If you remove the rotor, you will see the trip lever under one of the two arms. That is the side. to remove if it is giving you trouble. - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle Thanks. I removed and cleaned both sides of the guts of the bail. One side had a spring slid over a metal "L" shaped piece. One end of the L inserted into a hole on the plastic rotating piece that's held on to the rotor by the screw. Hope it helps. Didn't see much else in there. It's a Solstace 4000 with the quickfire 2 trigger. Old one.
It's a little trickier if the reel has a bail trigger, like my 80's Shimanos, but I got it closing properly with a little bend.
Bails are the bane of fishing reels. Overly complex and annoying to put together. Thanks Gary.
Very good vid I fixed my real in ten mins excellent
Glad it helped. Thanks for the note and for watching - Dennis
Great tip , thanks 👍
Thanks for watching - Dennis
Thank you sir fixed it just right
Glad to hear - Thanks for the note - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle heading fishing today and that was one of most expensive and favorite reals, the guys at Fleetfarm were trying to say oh its broke its done but a new one. Then I found your video. Very grateful saved me $150. God bless have a great weekend
👍 Great to know. Thanks
Thank you. Please stay tuned for more to come - Dennis
i have a small reel with a pretty thick bail wire and got it brand new but notice it was quite stiff closing by reeling and i end up using my hand to flip it closed and i was getting upset i may have bought a junk reel and then i realised the factory set screws on either sides of the arms needed loosening and now it closes easily but again there is one position that sometimes gets stuck ,i think it is internal problem on the firing trip or possibly a design flaw found in most reels but not my shimano lol so idk what to do,i dont want to start taking it apart, although they say you should not use the reel arm to close bails but rather do it by hand but that is annoying
That one position that is sticking is probably at the height of the bail trip ramp. That would be a design issue and not a part problem. - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle ok as i figured so there is not much i can do about this i guess, my shimanos dont have this problem and they seem to be designed to trip the bail via reeling arm because its so smooth
@@2ndChanceTackle also this happens specially with non forgiving anti reverse reels ,once you open the bail and did not get enough room to reel it closed it can get stuck at this position and i have to semi close the bail and change position to open it again , the other thing is at this position the bail wont even flip back all the way ,its such a bad design flaw
Any tips for a bail that opens with very minimal pressure. Always opens up when I’m reeling in a fish.
Yes - take the spool off and use a penetrating oil spray where the trip mechanism is. That part is likely sticking and not closing fully, as a result it will open because it is not fully engaged. It that does not solve it, you will need to remove the rotor and do a full cleaning - Dennis
Thanks worked for me !
Glad it helped - Best wishes - Dennis
Thanks a lot it works
Glad to have helped - Dennis
You are Sir just amazing
Thank you for the kind words. and for watching - Dennis
Hey .. what's up..
I have a vintage Daiwa 7500..I can't put the bail spring back..I just don't get it right..help me.. thanks.
Ra\ey - can you send me a picture of the spring and side rotor cavity you are working on? Send to my email 2ndchancetackle@gmail.com and I will try to help you - Dennis
What if the wire pulls out it keeps popping out. . Does that mean bail wire is bent. I have 070 shakespear real.
Yes - the bail wire is most likely bent or you have a faulty connector -
Wish I'd seen this before taking the reel apart, and struggling to put it back together!
Now you know! Thanks for watching - Dennis
Awesome info. TY soooo much. New sub!!
Thanks for the sub and for the note - Best wishes - Dennis
Would the same problem cause it not to even close to the halfway point?
Yes - that is almost always caused by a bent bail wire - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle thanks, I’ll have to check that out.
Dude I fucking love you, you saved me so much money
Thank you - good luck fishing with your restored reels - Dennis
Could this also cause the bail to close while casting? I have an old shimano 2500 that this started happening to.
It is most likely that you have a trip lever that is sticking and not fully anchoring the bail when you set it to cast. You need to remover the rotor and spray the lever with penetrating oil where it points out under/inside the rotor. Work the bail a few times and that would help loosen and stickiness. Then try to cast and see if that fixes the issue - Thanks for asking - Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle thanks for the quick reply! Would removing the trip lever cause any problems. I would then just have to manually close it every time, correct?
You need to make sure that you can lock the bail in open before removing the trip lever for manual operation. Some reels have a direct tie between the two and if you pull the trip lever, the bail will not stay open. I think you will be OK. Check the schematic to make sure. Is the a sub-brand for the Shimano 2500 like FX, or Sedona, or MX ir something else? I can try to find the schematic if you can give me the sub-brand model - Dennis
Dennis
@@2ndChanceTackle I just removed it and put it back together and it's staying open. It's a 2500FH. Thanks again for your video! It really helped me find a satisfactory solution.
Great News. Thanks for watching - Dennis
Hello, i want to ask you this, when i lift up my belt it locks, and when i put it down. It doesn't work on lock, what is the problem?
It sounds like you have a bail trip mechanism that is sticking, assuming that the springs are working OK.
Remove the spool and use a penetrating oil like WD40 to spray both points where the bail connects to the rotor on the outside and if there is a lever that is visible from under the spool, spray that too. Work the bail back and forth a few times to see if that can help free it up - Dennis
Now, sometimes the lock works and some times it doesbt work?
You can keep rinsing with the WD40 to free it more, or you may need to disassemble the trip mechanism the clean out dirt and grease that cannot be dissolved
THANKS SO MUCH!!!
You're welcome!
Can I do the same if I felt and my bail it’s bent can I just do the same ?
Yes