Was Ishizu About To Defeat Kaiba? [A Duel With Destiny]
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Soul Exchange In The Anime Doesn’t Prevent You From Attacking.
True, but by that point in the Duel, I don't really think it mattered to Kaiba. He just wanted to "Out" the Lady Ishtar's strategy and was desperate to try anything...
Is it odd how they end up getting married
@@charlottesfunandfreechannel that's the really weird bit of this whole affair, imho. You'd think Marik(as the "Male Heir of the Family" according to ancient Egyptian Law at least) would have issues with how Seto acts regularly to his "Family"(re: Poor Mokuba), but nooo, he's all "Hi Future Brother-in-law!"....
@@charlottesfunandfreechannel They get married?!
You forgot Anime Soul Exchange effect man. It's a literal exchange. You get to tribute your opponent's monster AND your opponent tribute yours. Hence why Kaiba used the controller card during his duel against Yugi, to regain control of his X Head Cannon
I still think that “THATS RIGHT! ILL SACRIFICE *GOD!* “is still one of the best lines in this show.
Correct; The madman just sacrificed god! And Obelisk as well, crazy.
"I have transcended common sense" is a good line too
Ishizu's exchange of the spirit play is one of the strongest outplays in the entire franchise. One card instantly reversed the tide of the duel and undid Kaiba's whole strategy
Agreed. It's probably THE only time in the entire series except vs Yugi where Kaiba is truly surprised.
@@donaldlivingston75 so… are we going to pretend that Kaiba wasn’t surprised during his duel against Pegasus…?
@@tweso1499 Or when Joey stole his Blue-Eyes?
@@MountainMemelord I think his rage overpowered his surprise in that moment.
@@tweso1499 I mean that was more his eye than Pegasus himself lol
It’s hilarious that a character that can see in the future could not predict Kaiba playing a blue eyes.
Kaiba's dueling ability transcends time 😭
That's the thing. Her future power couldn't work. He broke it
I wonder if Ishizu has seen card games being played on motorcycles
It's cause the future changed after her prediction
A main character, known to ONLY play Blue Eyes deck, somehow was not foreseen to use Blue Eyes, by a character who can see the future... yeah, even Tristan could see it coming.
Kaiba: I WILL NOT ALLOW MY FUTURE TO BE CONTROLLED!
Also Kaiba: allows his future to be controlled by listening to the Millenium Rod
Using fire against fire, using millennium items against millennium items
It’s more like Kaiba’s connection to the Millennium Rod allowed him to control his own future.
considering his past incarnation originally OWNED the Millenium Rod, it's more like his old item acted as a go between between him and his waifu.
His past incarnation Priest Seto, owns the millenium rod. It would be better if Yami Bakura took the rod, instead of the eye, and gave it to Kaiba during the memory arc so that he can connect about his past self and his dragon waifu Kisara as his past memories are sealed within the millenium rod
kaiba sacrificing obelix to summon blue eyes has gotta be one of the coolest moments in the series
Also one of its biggest memes
In the sub Kaiba dramatically says "Yes, I sacrifice god!". It is so kaiba of him.
@@osaka_phong that's why it's a meme
I would to if I were him. Blue-Eyes is a better card than the Egyptian God Cards. 😅😂😅
pokemon and yugioh fan hmmm
I love how this is a duel between two obsessed characters. Kaiba is obsessed with his plans for "perfect" victories, while Ishizu is obsessed with her idea of the future being unchangeable. Even the misplays kinda contribute to them as characters, both being so close minded that they cannot see alternative ways for certain situations. Kaiba won because he was able to overcome his obsession, even if just for a second (and only with the help of a magical rod, but whatever..)
It's funny that not only kaiba get god card tunnel vision, ishizu got future tunnel vision as well
Hmm did Ishizu create the future vision field spell?? 🧐
Pretty funny how kaiba got out of it in the end, but ishizu just kept going through the sequence of events as she thought were true to follow, that was her downfall
The reason Ishizu cannot defy fate is that she believes it is inevitable. Kaiba absolutely does not, which ends up opening his mind to the potential to change fate. But to defy the Necklace, something that should be 100% possible, Ishizu would be acting entirely against every fiber of her being. She certainly has wishes and desires, as she wants to save her brother from the influence of his darker self, and she believes it is necessary and good to restore Atem's memories, but she has been raised to follow the destiny laid out before her by the fact of being born into the Gravekeepers' order.
On the other side of things, Kaiba is an orphan who grew up long enough in the care of the system to believe he couldn't rely on others, and that he shouldn't just accept what he's given. His love for his brother is a key factor in his own strength of will, and while he sometimes isn't the most overtly affectionate to Mokuba, their bond is powerful enough that Kaiba can rely on it as the one truly sure thing in his world. His victory and success, however, came from hard work, determination, and the ability to be ruthless when it counted towards the right people. He overcame the greatest seemingly inescapable force in the modern world: rigid class heirarchy. What strength does fate have on a person who actually won at the game of Capitalism on Hardcore difficulty?
"Win the game of capitalism on hardcore difficulty!" I can't breathe! That's so funny because it's true!
Cool view, I agree with most of it. About "beating class hierarchy", however, didn't Seto just get lucky that he was adopted by Gozaburo who eventually died because of his own shenanigans? The hard work, we can't deny, but the resources have been overflowing for Mr. Blue Eyes.
@@tedestrada57 Fair point.
@@tedestrada57 did he get lucky or did he impress Gozaburo so much with his massive set of nuts that he had to adopt him on the spot? Why else even agree to play the game? Just to be a prick and crush some orphans hopes? He was taking those kids anyway.
@@fenixchief7I'm not discrediting Seto's gigabrain play of making a chess gambit and plan to get him and Mokuba adopted, the point is "is it not luck enough that out of all the options that Gozaburo could have chosen to have an heir, or orphanages he could have visited in their country, he went with where Seto was?"
I loved this duel. This entire duel was great. Seeing her trounce Kaiba was incredible. And of course “I sacrifice God!”
All for the sake of my dragon waifu
The Japanese dub made that scene more epic than the Eng dub 🔥
When you choose between your locals tournament or going to church on Sunday XD
"That's right! I'll sacrifice God!" XD
It was great,
Ishizu
Kaiba you fell into my Trap,
Kaiba
But your Cards are all gone,
Ishizu
I still have my trap Cards go Exchange of the Spirits, by paying 1000 LP we swap our decks and Graveyards
Kaiba
But that will leave me with a deck of just 6 cards,
Ishizu
Exactly I allowed you to destroy my deck so that I could do this.
Kaiba
I draw
Ishizu
Activate Muko
Kaiba
No my card goes straight to the Graveyard
Joey
I love seeing Kaiba Squirm
@@TheJaredPunch that his Blue Eyes Waifu, and dont ever forget.
So this is the point where Kaiba's obsession with Blue-eyes skyrocketed to an impossible level
Literally Kaiba's next duel. At least in the dub.
Obelisk and Slifer stalemate. Kaiba draws Blue-Eyes. "I don't need an Egyptian God to defeat Yugi. I have a far more reliable monster in my hand."
5:00 This interpretation of the Millennium Necklace also lines up with what we see of Ishizu's character, namely her piety and absolute faith in 'Destiny'. Ishizu believes that 'Destiny' is set in stone and cannot be changed, so it really doesn't make sense that she would use the Necklace to try and 'influence' destiny. Rather, she seems the type to give herself completely to the whims of what she believes is 'destined' to occur. In this case, following the directives of the Millennium Necklace.
I was thinking the same thing. Even her surprise of Blue Eyes being summoned could be further evidence of this. If she was actively manipulating fate than his blue eyes wouldn't have surprised her because she essentially changes fate constantly but if she is just blindly following the Millennium Necklace than she would be shocked that someone could defy fate.
It also adds a layer of poetic irony to the whole thing because her millennium item is what allows fate to change because Kaiba only decides Blue Eyes will give him the win because the Millennium Rod gave him a vision because he was in such distress; The reason he was in distress was because of the Millennium Necklace forcing him into a losing position.
"Ishizu does as the necklace guides"
I’ve always thought of it this way.
A prophecy is like a Map. It shows you a path, but it doesn’t tell you how to follow that path.
The necklace shows the most likely possible outcome based on all possible variables.
However, Ishizu misinterprets how the necklace works. She doesn’t view the vision as a possible outcome. She thinks it’s the ONLY outcome and therefore she doesn’t consider if walking down a different path might actually lead to the same destination
Hence why she ignores all opportunities to win the duel earlier
@@ryhi5 In addition, this interpretation lines up with how the necklace works. A millennium item can change the future, and since the necklace is a millennium item, a person can theoretically use the visions it shows to change their predestined path. She just had so much faith that her path was the right one that it never occurred to her to use it in that way.
@@theglitch5386 Well, the Necklace doesn't have the power to change destiny. It shows you a path- the one with the most likely outcome. Perhaps even the most glorious one. What would be more glorious than destroying Seto with the Deity card she lent him before the tournament, thus further showing his arrogance?
Kaiba not believing in magic while magical shenanigans keep blatantly happening around him is my favorite thing about him.
Yugi, Bakurua, Ishizu, Marik, and so many others: *doing magical stuff*
Kaiba: I pretend I do not see it.
@torazely Nah more like "Fuck you that's not real and you're all idiots for believing it!"
I think he’s more in denial due to the PTSD and helplessness from what happened with Pegasus
@@CountDVB Kaiba: magic isn't real, it can't hurt me
Magic: is real
Kaibas: *screams in Blue Eyes*
My favorite is when there’s a beam of bright light appearing everyone covers there eyes as a normal person would but Kaiba just stares right at it 🤣
Another way to look at it is because she wanted to defeat Kaiba through Obelisk. Sure she could have defeated him with his blue-eyes but she wanted her obelisk back in the most poetic way and she had her plan she wanted to follow
More she already knew this path lead to victory, so why stray from what was seeming to be assured? Yeah she could have won Turn 4 with the strat Sam detailed, but what she was following also would have won her the duel too. Not a misplay if what you're already going to do will also lead to victory as well.
Which funny enough is exactly the kind of thing that bit Kaiba in the ass during the Pyramid of Light filler movie
It's the best "screw you Kaiba" way of winning.
@@rafaelcastor2089 Pyramid*
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 I kind of see it as she wanted to defeat Kaiba using Obelisk and she saw that was the path she would have had to take to get to that goal.
I can’t believe you didn’t talk about Seto’s best line ever “I sacrifice God!”
*Romans have entered the chat*
I think the millenium necklace works as self fulfilling prophecy: it shows the future you'll get if you follow what the necklace shows unless another millenium item / unknown variable, as in this case blue eyes soul, intervenes. Basically it shows you what the future will be if you do everything as you've seen. And why would you change it?
To add: I think why millenium items and blue eyes can change the necklace is: they are too powerful for the necklace to compute, so it ignores everything it does not compute in its calculation of the future.
To be more clear: it shows you the future you'll get if you have seen the future it shows. That wouldn't necessarrily be the future if you hadn't seen it.
Makes sense as Shada couldn't even look at the blue-eyes in the memory world becouse it was too powerful (shiny)
I like the theory that the blue-eyes is just straight up completely separate from all the rest of the monster spirits and is unaffected by the millenium items.
And also Kaiba's ancestor was the wielder of the millenium rod so it's also nice he got a kick in the right direction from beyond the grave.
Powerful enough souls, like Kisara (Blue-Eyes) and Mahad (Dark Magician), who are connected to the Millennium Items, can likely circumvent the Necklace by asserting their will through the Items they're connected to.
Yeah that's my thought. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a matter of Ishizu just looking at one iteration of the duel, seeing how it plays out (exactly how Ishizu sees the duel go, ending with the Tribute Blast blowing up Obelisk), and then just being assured in victory and never bothering to consider another iteration. Like you said, why bother looking into a choice like Sam mentions here (reviving Blue Eyes with Monster Reborn and crippling Kaiba's game completely) when the one you've seen ends in victory and the destiny you see is infallible? What's the point when a win's a win and the one you see also just happens to absolutely clown on an egotistical dingus like Kaiba in the process?
My thoughts on Ishizu's misplay and the predestined path thing: I think of it more like "this is the defeat Kaiba NEEDS to experience." It's not about defeating him for the sake of it. If the Egyptian God card essentially betrays him and leads to his defeat, then that could have a drastic affect on him as a person, being betrayed by the power he seeks to control. Ishizu wasn't dueling for the sake of victory, but for a specific cause.
I always loved this duel. It shows Ishizu is addicted to relying on her necklace for guidance instead of making her own choices and that comes back to bite her!
We’ll said
Yeah, it makes more sense that Ishizu is strict in following the future shown to her by the necklace, while her brother does evwrything to create his own desired future using the rod. Both are working on the extreme ends of the spectrum, both not using the maximum potential of their millenium items.
@@recaru0331 and yet ironically, the two siblings are quite similar in their methods of getting what they want. While Ishizu isn't as openly malicious as her brother, she is not above manipulating others to do her dirty work and clean up her own mess, and she's not above using underhanded tactics in duels. Since she was bribing Kaiba with Obelisk to lure Marik to Domino City and using him and Yugi to take out Marik for her.
it would be interesting if young Ishizu tried to change her destiny multiple times with the necklace but failed and as a result she accepted the future of whatever the necklace shows to her after multiple failed attempts to safe her brother for example.
Not really, because ishizu stated that it was wrong to use the millennium to see the future to benefit her through the duel but that she had to do it to save the world from her brother , so she isn’t always relent on it throughout duels.
"I am the one who decides my fate" - Seto Kaiba. I was actually wondering if you would cover this duel as Ishizu knew the play-by-play thanks to her necklace and Kaiba defied fate, since it seemed fairly straightforward from both sides. I am pleasantly surprised, as this is one of my favorite of Kaiba's duels. As for the magic moment with the millennium rod, I always saw it as Blue Eyes and the rod working together. As Kisara was the Blue Eyes spirit, she was tied to the rod in a way. So together, it was enough to show him the vision as Kisara vowed to always be there and protect him. As if together, they knew he was in danger (of losing).
Also, kinda funny you posted this today as I just got a Blue Eyes White Dragon pin in the mail.
Now you just need to do Joey vs Odion, Mai vs Marik and Yugi vs Marik (also possibly the 4 way duel) and you have covered the entire battle city final.
How would Sam cover the 4 way duel? He's never done that type of duel before.
@@RenaldyCalixte Which is is why I said possibly, because I am not sure myself.
@@RenaldyCalixte I think he did a 1v3 tho, so not out of possibility
I don't see why Sam would need to cover Joey vs Odion since that duel was an open 'n shut case in all 3 versions (manga, both sub + dub versions of the anime). It's pretty obvious that Odion could've won 5 times over before Joey summoned Jinzo.
Look at that. Nice predictions there. Apollo gifted you well
Kisara was probably ticked beyond belief that Kaiba put her to the side for Obelisk. When he was ready to attack ishizu she must have been like. "Thats it, I'm taking back my man!". Her direct attack on Ishizu can be translated to " And don't you ever try to bribe my Seto with rare cards again!"
Which is funny, as Kaiba reacts badly whenever someone besides Atem/Yugi uses Blue-eyes he gets angry.
Just imagine when he summons Blue Eyes (Kisara) it protects him when first summoned. Like a cat protecting someone or something it loves.
"you stay away from my man you homewrecker!!!"
I believe that the millennium necklace does permit to change the future. Ishizu simply misunderstood the power of her millennium item. It showed her a future she desired defeating Kaiba, getting the Obelisk back, and eventually facing Marik to stop him. She gets tunnel vision and follows the path strictly which of course just makes the future she saw become reality little by little, making Ishizu follow it even harder.
If you think about it, this duel showed the parallel similarities of Kaiba and Ishizu. They both had plan that they believed was set in motion. Ishizu foresaw that she would defeat Kaiba, and Kaiba planned to win the duel with Obilisk. It's like Kaiba said, using blue eyes was not part of his plan, but his connection to the millennium rod and his dragons spirit called out to him, and he changed his destiny. Even though Ishizu was defeated, it did give her hope, hope that her brother might actually be saved. Of course the real tragedy on Kaibas side, is that his arrogance and stubborness were still present, believing that it's what strengthens him, that he can control his own destiny and win the tournament. But Yugi proved him otherwise, by figuring out Kaibas strategy in their duel. Kaibas biggest flaw is that he refuses to admit his own weaknesses, even though there are opportunities for him to do so, like with what happened with his duel with Ishizu.
Interesting that Kaiba was destined to lose this duel due to forgetting about his waifu in place of the new big bad boy in town and it's remembering his true love that ends up allowing him to win.
The thing with fate is, if Ishizu saw Kaiba play differently her future self would have played to accommodate that and therefore she would play differently in the present so Kaiba's "misplays" are already accounted for pretty much. Her misplays are not accounted for, but she kinda wants to go for the same ironic outcome just like Kaiba so maybe the necklace chooses that fate cause it stays the most true to everyone's character essentially?
Anyway, really iconic duel right there.
This duel gave me one of my favourite Kaiba lines "THAT'S RIGHT I'll SACRIFICE GOD!"
"SCREW THE RULES I HAVE A DRAGON GIRLFRIEND!!"
"IT LOOKS LIKE THE RULES...
(puts on sunglasses)
JUST GOT SCREWED."
@@ColeMeCrazy *YAAAAAAA!!!*
The necklace having limited control over the future would make some sense as well and explain a lot of the questionable plays. I think Ishizu wants to engineer a situation where Kaibas pride and arrogance are his downfall. Obelisk exploding would be the most poetic defeat and teach Kaiba a lesson. She steers the duel this way believing it is a win anyway while being blind to the downside of the her plays.
I also appriciate that they engineered a situation where playing a card out of mostly sentimental reasons was the right play. At least i have definitely been there and done that.
I just loved the absolute shock/fear on Kaiba’s face when Ishizu activated Exchange Of The Spirit (“That leaves me with a deck of only 6 cards”😱😱😱)
Ishizu wouldn’t have won , because this is Kaiba .
Mr Screw The Rules I Have Money
Mr Screw The Future I Have Money (sacrificing Obelisk to screw with Ishizu’s prediction)
Mr Screw Death I Have Money (he had no soul when he activated that card to help Yugi against Dartz)
In all seriousness though , had Kaiba not sacrificed Obelisk , he’d have lost
😃😃😃
Fast forward to the movies and the dude legit INVENTS TIME TRAVEL just to go back to ancient Egypt to duel Atem.
Screw time, i have money.
still better than yugi who "screw the rules i am the protagonist" and proced to make a bunch o bullshit moves like fusion a monster and a spell to send a arrow to ultimate dragon and make him start to rot
or attacking the moon that he himself used (he... atacked... a spell)
@@AzureRoxe even better, he broke into the afterlife to challenge him
A taste of his own medicine from the bullshit go to combo of his.
@@joaopedro-ob9bt XD Tbf....that was during Duelist Kingdom and that Tournament has different rules.
Could u imagine kiaba being knocked out his own tournament so quickly.... all I can think is him blowing up the blimp and flying off laughing in the blue eye jet
19:59--I'm of the opinion that the Necklace work's but showing you a POSSIBLE future where the events play out. All you gotta do is engineer it to follow that path. Seto wasn't proving or disproving Ishizu's faith, just taking the less likely option for himself. If she had not egged him on the way she did through the entirety of the Duel, she would've won the way she pictured....
You're almost certainly correct, given that in Zexal, Number 25: Force Focus produced photos which seemingly predicted the future with complete accuracy, in the same manner as the Millennium Necklace.
Yuma & Astral realise that each photo only shows 1 _possible_ future which would either be met or avoided depending on their actions; Cameron, the user, was able to convince everyone they were _the_ future, so all his previous opponents had played into it because they thought they had no choice. As a result, the whole thing just ended up being a self-fulfilling prophecy, which Yuma broke by making different moves to the photos & winning the duel.
The Necklace of Gaslighting
@@rafaelcastor2089 close to it, honestly. Ishizu was very good at profiling her opponents (it was why Marik let her live instead of killing her after he evicerated their Dad), so if you combine that talent with an item that can see possible future events you can effectively convince almost anyone your dueling into following those exact events. Her only mistake when dueling Kaiba was really forgetting that he'd had a Mental breakdown and was certainly a Sociopath at this point in his life (why do you think he became so fixated on Blue-Eyes White Dragon only AFTER he dueled Yugi?)....
@@johnnysizemore5797 Didn't the guy heard about a rare card while at school, immediately thought it might be a Blue Eyes, then kidnapped an old dude and "dueled" him for the last remaining Blue Eyes in the World just to tear the card up in front of them?
I'd say the guy was already obsessed
@@rafaelcastor2089 not necessarily at that point. To Kaiba's way of thinking(at least at the time), it was just good business and strategy. He'd already be classified as mildly Sociopathic(but still treatable) at that point in time. He was volunteering as a Business and Economics Tutor at the School if you'll remember. He didn't go full bore Sociopath untill AFTER the Yugi Duel.
Seto's actions to Grandpa Muto was how he was raised to handle "Tough Sells" by his absolute Tool of an Adopted Father(who originally just wanted to use his body as a vessel for his Comatose Biological Son)...
This duel is so underrated and personally one of my favorites. Especially because of the millennium rod reaching out to Seto and reminding him of the loyalty of the The Blue Eyes White Dragon.
Dude these duel analysis are so cool. The anime makes the card game so dramatic and fun. I love playing the game and pretending to be the characters.
It actually inspired me to make some videos where I made my own episodes of the anime!
Kaiba was like: “Screw Obelisk! I have a Blue Eyes!” 😂
I think the reason Kaiba didn't Silent Doom and Soul Exchange on his turn to summon Obelisk, it's probably because of nerves after Exchange of the Spirit completely screwing up potential back up plans in his strategy. It's also possible that if Ishizu went off the beaten path for the predestined future, the Millennium items may be a little mean about that and there could've been a change as to what Kaiba drew and how he played.
The necklace cannot effect the cards of the Duel, its not what it does.
My opinion has always been that Ishizu never gets a say in what kind of future she sees or how it plays out, and my main evidence for that is just how she talks and acts. Someone who could freely change fate to whatever they wanted, wouldn't feel as depressed and powerless against it as Ishizu does. She speaks with certainty on the future, but not in a self-assured or arrogant manner. She's almost apologetic to Kaiba throughout this duel. Futhermore, her not being able to change what the future is also adds weight to her absolute mind melt later in the duel when Kaiba does exactly that. She's not shocked because Kaiba changed "her" prediction, she's shocked because *fate isn't supposed to budge for ANYONE.*
I like how both duellists here had the ability to win in their first couple turns, but neither goes for those plays because they're both too caught up in their premeditated game plan. It's remarkably true to the real life game for players to get sometimes caught up on one line that seems like "the best thing I can do here" only to miss something more/ equally effective. I know I've missed lethal or even outright thrown duels from exactly that type of mistake where you only notice you had another line after it's too late.
Ishizu's working off the neckless, and whether that shows an immutable future or just one possible future is it's own debate, but either way, Ishizu believes that what it shows IS an immutable vision of The Future, so she plays into it thinking she couldn't play any other way; The foreknowledge it gives could've allowed for anearlier win, but she doesn't go for it because she thinks the future she knows cannot be strayed from, and in those visions she wins in the end anyway.
Kaiba on the other hand is too busy thinking about how humiliating a loss it'll be for Ishizu when he destroys her deck and leaves her with nothing using his Virus cards before finally beating her with the God Card she gave to him and so confidently said he'd give back. As a result he overlooks a very clear line for aggressively dealing massive damage because it doesn't coincide with the line he's got stuck in his head.
It also lines up with Kaiba's "bad habit" in BC of getting too focused on the God Cards and repeatedly overlooking his own Blue-Eyes, which he gets over with the end of this duel; The Battle City arc even starts off with Kaiba putting Blue-Eyes into the Duel Bot's deck to duel against it and using Obelisk to beat them. It's only after this in his Duel against Yugi where he's viewing Blue-Eyes as a proper ace again, with Obelisk being the plan A for either a quick win or the God V God matchup.
One of the best duels of Battle City. Kaiba’s past to his Blue-Eyes help change his fate of losing to Ishizu.
I like the idea that ishizu was so tunnel visioned on the fate she saw that she never even considered other plays, and that her necklace doesn't show a guaranteed future but instead only shows her one set possibility.
yeah why try to make a shortcut to a victory when you have a map that guarantees you getting there.
Honest opinion, I think Seto became Certifiably insane after his first loss to Yugi. It's the only explanation I can figure for why he does what he does later....
I mean he displayed a lot of troubling behavior before that, I genuinely think the loss greatly exacerbated that
Care to elaborate for those who haven't seen DM in soooooo long ... Namely me😅
@@razielzakary4989 why certainly! When the Pharaoh (still in his angry Season Zero phase) mentally destroyed Seto, it released all of the Negative aspects of his personality(Mokuba even commented that Seto wasn't the same person after he fought Yugi) which drove him insane. Now keep in mind that this is the Animated version of Kaiba NOT the Manga version (who had the exact opposite thing happen to him instead)....
I mean, he did get his mind crushed...
@@wanderlustwarrior too true....
Interestingly enough, Ishizu is one of the few duelists to make Seto Kaiba lose confidence, even though he did managed to win. The look on Seto's face when he realized his deck was reduced to 6 cards showcases just how close Ishizu was to utterly humiliating him by defeating him in the quarter finals of Battle City and winning back Obelisk the tormentor.
This duel has a surprising amount of nuance to it tbh. The obvious thing is Ishizu being foil to Kaiba in many ways. But having his deck nuked calls back to Duelist Kingdom where Kaiba did in fact lose that way. It probably was what made him go all in on trying to use that strategy in this duel as he never uses Virus Cannon anywhere else.
Ishizu is the only character that legit trapped him without a shadow game hax.
@@GeteMachine Pegasus didn't use shadow game against Kaiba.
@@GeteMachineNobody used shadow games against Kaiba, except for Yami.
Pegasus just wiped the floor with him...
Have been re-watching GX and I would totally recommend "Jaden vs Alice" as a Halloween video. A very underrated duel that aside from being a good match, sees Jaden play very intelligently and not bust out a new hyper-specific Fusion Hero to save the day.
God I love that one.
Maybe because it Cassandra Lee Morris's VA debut
@@arbetor12 uh.....I call bs on that. There is NO WAY that Alice was her FIRST EVER dub VA role. With how big a name she is, she's had to have had way more roles prior to that.
@@vgmaster02 Nah its true Cassandra Lee Morris first role is from a 4kids dub 😂
9:37 This is where Part 2 of the duel would continue.
It is still hilarious to me that from the moment Obelisk gets on the field, we’re basically on the last turn of the duel.
This is probably one of my favorite duels.
Ishizu missing out on so many opportunities to win because she was *determined* to follow the outcome her Millenium Item showed her is just poetic
As for how Kaiba could change "fate" I'd like to think it has a lot to do with Kaiba's willpower and his connection to Blue-Eyes. We've seen that the power of the Millenium Items *can* be resisted or worked around, although its pretty rare.
So its possible that simply having *the will* to not be ruled by destiny was enough for Kaiba to shift the outcome *just enough.*
oh man i think this is easily 1 of my fave duels in all of YGO. not just cus of how crazy the pace of the duel was but how badass both kaiba and ishizu are, with that epic ending with the blue eyes vision from the millenium rod
Ishizu’s final turn: She had two monsters on the field whose total ATK was more than Kaiba LP, instead of attacking directly, she summons a monster then Kaiba activates Soul Exchange
True and she only did that so Kaiba could get Obelisk on his field just to fit her prediction lol
she has kaiba syndrome and just wanted to win in the most satisfying way possible.
The funny thing is Kaiba could have activated Soul Exchange with or without Ishizu's third monster, because he had Blue-Eyes in his hand too
TGS literally pointed out the same exact thing
@@The_Leandog But then Blue Eyes would be targeted by Blast Held by Tribute and even if he got a vision, Kaiba would have nothing to tribute it for and just guarantee he loses that way. Or at best he gets a 3k wall that Ishizu didn't plan for.
I believe the reason Kaiba doesn't summon Obelisk free of Ishizu's meddling as per the confusion around the 14 minute mark is due to the two traits Kaiba is most known for: Pride and Ego. He doesn't just want to beat Ishizu, he doesn't want to just get Obelisk out, he wants to destroy her, to strip her field of all defenders without sacrificing his to bring out her destruction. It's only after Blue Eyes gives him the wakeup call he reigns himself in when facing Yugi, not wanting to have a potential repeat scenario (Likely due to some form of off screen analysis of the duel). This is actually a really interesting one due to the tunnel vision perfectionism of Kaiba and the predetermined unalterable stick to the script of Ishizu, both headstrong duelists locked into a singular path, with Kaiba ultimately breaking free
Randomly got into rewatching the original Yu-gi-Oh series, just recently watched this episode I love these reviews!
Didnt expect fogged to be here.
18:53 Only reason Kaiba ever even loses any duels in the first place is because of "hocus pocus" tricks! Only fair he gets one of these moments in his favor 😂 Great video.
Regardless of all the shenanigans and anime plot armour, Kaiba changing the future is without question one of the most iconic moments of the series as a whole. I guarantee that if Sam ever made a top 50 Yugioh moments or at least one for Duel Monsters first, that moment would likely be in the top 10 or 5.
Sam should make that list.
My personal "big misplay" moment for Ishizu was wasting her second Muko on Crush Card Virus; if Vorse Raider was that deep in Kaiba's deck then he wouldn't have been able to do his combo again, and she could've saved Muko to negate Soul Exchange. Metaphorically Obelisk would've still been Kaiba's doom from your aforementioned "God Card tunnel vision".
Which would be great and all but at that point she was just flexing to prove a point. She also WANTED him to summon Obelisk so she could defeat him with the very card that she gave him, perhaps knocking his ego down a few notches in the process.
This series slaps! I love rewatching and picking up new details each time.
Keep up the great work my man!
Always thought the necklace only showed the very near future, like a day at most.
Which is why Ishizu didn't see that Yugi would beat Marik from the start and just chill at her museum.
Kaiba changes his destiny thanks to the power of his strongest servant: Blue-Eyes White Dragon
That was a great duel
*Looks at kisara*
I feel like there's a very obvious joke to make here, but i will not bother
I honestly think it's really fascinating that the internet kind of paints seto kaiba as a "spike" character, when honestly he is SO much more a Johnny and Timmy. His entire ruling strategy is based around getting big and exciting monsters into play utilizing fascinating combos. He doesn't just try to beat his opponent he wants to win perfectly every time. He also plays the game very romantically, as in romantic chess, in that he doesn't go for the best play in every situation and instead always the most exciting and flashy play. He doesn't win duels, he beats duelists. And this literally cost him the majority of duels that we see him in. In fact one of the only tools were he actually goes for a more Spike play line is when he's beating up Joey.
Who is spike is this from a movie or book
I don't know what a "spike" character is, nor a Johnny or a Timmy. Can you explain what they are, please?
@@JzanderN Spike, Johnny, and Timmy are terms used in the card gaming community to refer to different types of players based on their play style.
Spike's are hardcore gamers that want nothing more than to win. Johnny's like to win big and when excitingly usually with ridiculous combos and overpowered creatures. Timmy really likes big stompy monsters and it doesn't care much else about the game, he wants to put giant things down and attack for life points directly.
@@thatoneguynobodylikes8553 Thank you!
I’d like to see a duel analysis for the other Battle City Quarter Finals (Yami Marik vs Mai and Odion vs Joey) and then the Battle City Final (Yami Yugi vs Yami Marik).
So Kaiba overcame a woman by listening to his rod.
🤣🤣🤣
Shut up and take my like
Sir, behave yourself 😂😂😂
That’s genius 😂
Man if you don't get yo-
Honestly my favorite part is the fact that the millennium rod doesn't do anything more than remind Kaiba that he has blue eyes, Kaiba entirely decided on his own that he should win with his waifu of a dragon
My understanding is that Ishizu COULD manipulate fate, but would choose not to because as far as she knew she already won with the path she was on. So why deviate?
Exactly. In many series where people have ways to see future (and manipulate it) those people usually go through different futures and stop once they find outcome that suits them. So in this case if your objective was to win then you keep looking until you find one where you win. Once you do, no point to keep looking alternatives.
The idea of ishizu having the chance of defeating Kaiba with his own blue eyes. Yet chosing not to take the path because she was scared of the unknown future and following her "pre destined path" is a pretty interesting character flaw if it was intentional.
It also would have snapped Kaiba out of his "god card tunnel vision" showing him, through a loss, that he should have awknoledged his Blue Eyes. Also losing the god card because he was so focused on it.
But in the end, she was able to get confirmation that fate wouldnt be set in stone thanks to Kaiba winning in the end.
My opinion on the duel is that ishizu never planned on winning even with the pre determined path giving her the win but wanted to test Kaiba to see if he could break away froma pre-destined path placed on him. By telling Kaiba the outcome it forced a do or die scenario where Kaiba would have to go outside his normal comfort zone in a way. Honestly clever move
Considering Ishizu's comment that "even the greatest duelist fall before the Millennium Necklace" and the conversation about using the garbage trucks to protect her Egyptian artifacts at the museum, I think there's some implication that she knows she could manipulate the future with the knowledge it gives her. However, she's a woman of tremendous faith in the religious sense. The Necklace is showing her the future she wants to see: Kaiba defeated, Obelisk back in her hands, the Pharaoh triumphant. Why would she do anything different than what it shows her? She trusts Destiny to have her back.
And i also think it's an issue of, her willingness to poke and prode at him. Like don't get me wrong, I LOVED every second of her messing with this man, but her doing that probably prompted Kaiba to say 'fuck it, i'll do something she could have NEVER guessed. I'll sacrice GOD!!'
“It’s a set path that can’t change unless a millennium item interferes” so what I’m hearing is kaiba gave ishizu the millennium hands
Huh, you made me realize another layer of this duel. Both Ishizu and Kaiba are very locked onto their plan and stubborn to a fault in not swaying from that plan. Both had a clear path to victory, but it wasn't what they planned, so neither did it. Until Kaiba finally decides to adjust his plan, does he win. While Ishizu is stupefied, she lost.
I think the Ishizu re-trains really fit her game plan in this duel. Well done Konami!
Imagine if ishizu played the retrained version of her monsters
Ishizu's first turn would've took 10 Episodes, and she would've won without even trying XD...
It would actually be advantageous for Kaiba in this situation since when she flips exchange of spirit Kaiba would get a decent chunk of his deck back from what they milled
@@akarilight6331 but if ishizu has exchange of spirit in grave and she has gravekeepers trap face up combine that with her necklace and kaiba would never be able to play a card. Granted it would be weird to play a card with her self on it
@@lites73 ???
Have you read the Ishizu cards? Unless you wanna imply Ishizu would play tear or smth the shufflers would not stop anything Kaiba was doing and neither would the millers
I'm hoping for Duel Analysis episodes for:
Joey Vs Ziegfried
Jaden Vs Viper
Team 5D's Vs Team Unicorn
Yuma/Kite Vs Mizar
Shay Vs Sora (Round 1)
I find it funny because Kaiba almost declared a attack before the rod stopped him which meant he had to be in his battle phase and I think even in the anime you can't tribute summon during the battle phase except with soul exchange so if he got out blue eyes he would have to be in his main phase 2 so him attacking is a illegal move.
Kaiba shitting a brick with that “Exchange of the Spirit” was great lol
Almost eliminated in the quarter finals in his own tournament 🏟️
I mean, without fuckin all-out idiotic play from Ishizu, he loses. There was ONE chance he had and it was Ishizu summoning a third monster when she literally had no need to do so. He only avoided being eliminated by plot.
@@tim-tam-tomrick2973 Truly
@jacerivera7907 Yes. Because her plan was always Spirit Exchange. There was no play until her chicanery with the blast held by a tribute that would have played differently. Because Keldo in defense is a safe play against Vorse Raider and a facedown. Mudora killing Vorse Raider was planned by Kaiba. Virus Cannon is played by Kaiba. Ishizu's gameplan is to mill her own deck (or get her deck milled) and Exchange of Spirit. Ishizu lost because of plot.
I think the reason Kaiba didn't go for game with Blue-Eyes when he initially could is that he's currently obsessed with Obelisk
Been binging these and really like the format of your scripts. Thanks for giving us such a quick summary intro before jumping into the meat of the analysis - many creators use the intro opportunity to pad runtime, but you maximize funtime.
I still can't get over how cool the scene of him SACRIFICING A GOD for blue eyes and said god, who keep in mind punished the person who made their cards and people who summon them wrong, didn't smite him
I actually go over this concept of conflicting future visions in my fanfic “Memories of a Best Friend” where I have a reincarnated OC of Mana from the past bring up the contradictions of the Millennium Necklace.
Before Battle City, Ishizu invites Kaiba to give him Obelisk. During this conversation, she directly states that Kaiba will duel the Pharaoh in said tournament. However, this contradicts her own victory over Kaiba.
So what’s the deal? Well, my explanation in the fic was that Ishizu fell to hubris, believing her item was infallible outside of another Millenium Item’s intervention. She acknowledged that she could have won in many different ways, much like your analyzing, but failed to think for herself and followed what was shown to her by her necklace. The Necklace saw two futures, but never understood it as two contradicting futures in that moment, despite that being the truth. Destiny is not the same as Fate, and Fate can change Destiny to suit its needs. It was Destiny that Ishizu defeats Kaiba, but Fate that Kaiba and Yami duel again, thus Fate having to change Destiny so Fate could play out.
Thoughts? Also, feel free to read my fanfic on Fanfiction dot net. I’m RedDragonForce 1 on there.
I love the meme where Ishizu was expecting the modern versions instead of the classic versions.
That said, she did have a LOT of monsters with 1500+ ATK in her deck.
Wonder what they might've done.
It's so sad we never saw her boss monster, even Bakura and Odion had some, despite their unorthox strategies
I believe Soul Exchange's effect was "Tribute your opponents monsters instead of your own". Not "Tribute mosters as you wish"
fun fact: there were exactly 48 locator cards distributed, so for Ishizu to join the finale she must have defeated Jean Claude Magnum at the last second and taken his 5 locator cards, because all other finalists were already confirmed to have a full set each by that point.
Now that's a what-if-duel to imagine!
"But why would you do that?"
"Because a robot from the future past told me to!"
I am sad that this is ishizu only on screen duel.
Also, how cool would it be if she used grave keepers like in speed duels
Gonna leave my list duels that I would love to see your analysis from each series:
Yugioh:
Mai vs Joey (Oricalcos saga)
Bakura vs Marik (Battle City)
Yugi vs Marik (Battle City final)
GX:
Zane vs Aster
Jesse and Jaden vs Darkness
Crowler vs Jaden
5Ds:
Jack vs Yusei (Royal cup final and series finale)
Akiza vs Andore (Gran Prix)
Aporia vs Jack, Leo and Luna
Aporia vs Z-One
Z-One vs Yusei
Zexal:
IV and III vs Kite and Yuma
IV vs Shark (both duels)
III and V vs Michael
Michael vs Kite
Shark vs Yuma
Vector vs Shark
Arc V
Shun vs Sora
Serena vs Yugo
Yugo, Aster and Kite vs Yuri
Dennis x Shun
Dennis vs Yuya
Aster, Sora, Shun, Kite, Jack, Gongenzaga, Crow, the guy who uses Abyss Actors, The Professor and Reiji vs Zarc
Reiji vs Yuya
Yuto vs Yugo
If the pyramid of light movie shown us anything, Kaiba would prefer to win-in-style more than anything else, so I hold the theory that Kaiba wanted to flex on Ishizu and beat her with the same Egyptian God card that she gave him, rather then just defeating her through other means.
For what I always assumed, the millennium necklace shows you the future you get if you follow the exact steps shown in the vision. The only people able to change that future are the ones that posses a millennium item, which in this case Is Ishizu. Some of the other wilders could intervene and make kaiba change its moves and thus changing the outcome, but I don’t think kaiba would listen to anybody except himself.
This way, the necklace could be used to be sure to follow the correct path to the desired destiny or could give the user the possibility to do something else to avoid that future.
In this duel kaiba was able to change the outcome, thanks to the vision he received. If he did not had it, everything would have gone like Ishizu saw.
her knowing the future which also means she knows his hand yet still losing was pure plot armor
I loved this episode when it first aired on tv. Her reaction was priceless when the future changed. I think its a good lesson that we have the ability to change our destinies and futures.
The way I headcannon the necklace to work is that it shows you a future that is closest to what you want to happen, and the details on how to make it that way... and Ishizu wanted to make a statement to Kaiba about Obelisk, while winning it from him to give to Yugi, hence why the future she saw (and tried to follow towards) involved Obelisk self destructing.
Maybe the necklace is so powerful you physically can't change your own decisions once you've seen the future. Meaning even if Ishizu wanted to play different moves, the control the necklace has over her would be too much to overcome and she'd be forced to play things out exactly like her vision. In a way the millennium necklace would be a curse, as soon as you've seen your destiny you have no control over anything and are forced to play things out like a zombie. Which would explain a lot about Ishizu's personality.
Idk if I saw the entire duel play out in my victory I'd want to stick to it too lol. Why risk messing up the victory you've already seen happen?
All I'm gonna say is that the soundtrack of Kaiba's vision of the past (God's Anger) is one of the most thrilling and epic soundtracks I have ever heard in an anime. Literal Goosebumps
Mistake at 5:40
Kaiba couldn't attack directly, due to the side effect of Soul Exchange, that you can't use your battle Phase.
(Dunno if it's different in the anime, but I believe to remember, that this side effect is also in the anime)
Its not, in the anime he can attack kaiba does it in the tag duel with the mask dudes
@@mushra156 Surely it was not a side effect of Obelisk? :P
Jks aside. But okay, then my bad :3
Ishizu swapping the decks with the graveyard was such a boss b*tch move,I was so flabbergasted the first time I saw it!
The way I see it, the Necklace gives Ishizu the power to change the future, but then she risks not knowing what’s next. As such, she decided to fulfill her prediction and avoid straying from it just in case.
Something I've noticed is you've pointed out a couple times in these duels that Kaiba could've used Soul Exchange and then attacked for game. Doesnt soul exchange force you to skip your battle phase the turn it's used? Has the anime shown otherwise? Love these videos! Keep it up!
anime cards, dont work the same as the real life game
@@TheMasterVictory I know. Anime Soul Exchange letting you use multiple monsters for tribute is a big difference but I thought it still had the skip your battle phase effect in the anime. Was there a time kaiba used soul Exchange and attacked the same turn? I could be wrong, just curious though.
@@bryan0648 i cant recall, i havent watch the anime in ages, but, try see his duel against yugi on the battle city tournament, i think he uses there
I believe Ishizu’s moves to hold several reasons.
1) her unshakable faith in her millennium necklace.
2) Marik tells us that her duel style is to toy with her opponent and let them beat themselves. I guess some things run in the family.
3) She wanted to teach Kaiba a lesson. Yes she could have won quickly but Kaiba would’ve learned little to nothing from the experience and she wanted to help him as well as win to try to save her brother
4) that's how the writers wanted it.
Now that I think about it, it'd be interesting to see the exact deck compositions of every main character's deck from all of the main anime series. Wonder if that'd be possible or not, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
I think one of the POINTS of the duel IS that, because Ishizu can see a seemingly pre-determined path, she never bothered to actually TRY a different path, even if she could [after all, why would she? The path she sees points at winning in the most "screw you Kaiba" way].
Meanwhile Kaiba proves that there is NO pre-determined path, things can always change without having to look at the Egyptian Gods as the end-all. This is proven beyond the shadow of doubt in the Ceremonial Duel, where Atem summons all 3 and Yugi easily annihilates them.
It wasn’t easy at all since Yugi barely survived before he got rid of the gods and that scene didn’t happen in the original manga.
@@Ramona122003 Yugi quite literally set up the match to get of the Gods. Atem even admits that he always expected Yugi to do so.
Also, why in the unholy hell should i care that the scene wasn't in the manga?
@@AzureRoxe Yugi actually didn't know that Atem had all three gods in his deck nor that he was going to summon them in one-turn. In the JP sub, Yugi was paralyzed in terror and Atem had to give him a pet talk. This is still in the dub, but the sequence was longer in the sub and Yugi was legit scared of the gods. After Yugi got over his fear, he slowly worked out a plan to kill the gods in one-turn, it wasn't something he planned in advance.
And the reason why I mentioned the manga is because we know that wasn't the original intent. You can't really argue that:
"Meanwhile Kaiba proves that there is NO pre-determined path, things can always change without having to look at the Egyptian Gods as the end-all. This is proven beyond the shadow of doubt in the Ceremonial Duel, where Atem summons all 3 and Yugi easily annihilates them."
When the scene in question doesn't exist in the original source material and Yugi only beat one god, kept Atem from summoning another, and never faced Ra.
@@Ramona122003 1. Are you really so dumb that you think YUGI didn't know that ATEM had the gods in his deck?
2. It's actively stated that Yugi planned to take down all 3 Gods and that Atem knew there's a good chance Yugi would find a way.
3. No one cares about "the original source material", we're talking about the anime.
I know you have zero IQ, but wow.
@@Ramona122003 Did you just say that YUGI didn't know THE EGYPTIAN PHARAOH had THE EGYPTIAN GOD CARDS THAT HE JUST WON in his deck?
No one cares about the original source material you loser, this is about the anime.
plus lets not forget that amazing soundtrack, that plays when Kaiba gets the vission
Once you broke it down, this seemingly clever duel was really just Ishizu selling the whole store and Kaiba rocking insane amounts of plot armor
Fun fact: Blast Held by a Tribute technically works against ANY tribute summoned monster (not just one attached to a specific monster that was tributes - also it’s a non-target effect, so Egyptian Gods actually are on the table). So another mistake she made was that her bomb WASN’T diffused, and she could have just blew up Blue Eyes instead. Also dealt 1,000 lp of damage, thus ending the game. Sincerely, a guy whose first (or second, I frankly can’t remember) ultra rare booster pack pull was BHBAT.
It works differently in the anime and manga. The anime/manga version of the card plants a bomb in a monster of the user's choosing and when that specific monster is used for a tribute summon then the bomb is transferred to the summoned monster. In the manga it's also made more explicit it only works once and that the bomb was indeed diffused upon Obelisk being tributed.
One thing I never understood is if Kaiba isn't going to attack with dark gremlin why didn't he put it in defense mode. It had 1800 defense and Ishizu didn't have a monster strong enough to destroy it.
He also had Silent Doom, and could have played it to summon Gadget Soldier for defense. Ishizu should have saved Muko for that, Virus Cannon wasn't so important at that point, and Kaiba wasn't even able to play Crush Card. So much for future vision, though by defending with Dark Gremlin, it would have been the same, with more LP remaining for Kaiba.
@@DusknoirOscuro I wouldn't be surprised if Ishizu's deck had other cards meant to retrieve stuff from the graveyard. Her strategy happened to hard counter Kaiba but would be very risky in normal duels since usually it'd involve nuking her own deck too. So I can see her somehow reviving any one of Kaiba's countless beatsticks in his graveyard and attacking over Gadget Soldier - he does have two other Blue Eyes in there after all at minimum.
@@perrytran9504 She had Monster Reborn, but then she would have a third monster, allowing Kaiba to play Soul Exchange and tribute it along with her other 2, while keeping Gadget Soldier as a backup he could sacrifice for Blue-Eyes. Also, if he had changed Dark Gremlin to Defense, he could have played Obelisk's ability to inflict 4000 damage without attacking, and Sacrifice Blast seemed to work only against attacks.
This duel was pretty hilarious because of Kaibas reaction to Ishizu absolutely wrecking him
I honestly think that Kaiba only won this duel because Yami Marik just happened to be present with his Millennium Rod, though I'm not discounting the sheer amount of epic accumulated by sacrificing Obelisk to summon Blue-Eyes and the six-part Yugi vs Kaiba Semi-Final Duel is one of my favourites in the franchise.
Edit: Can you please cover the Joey vs Odion, Yami Marik vs Yami Bakura in a future episode.
The hoky thing about this duel was that Ishizu activated a trap without activating a trap... but it's still one of the most interesting duels since it helps you to finally understand what Ishizu meant when she said he would return the card to her.
I think Millenium necklace lets you see future but it doesn't mean you have to follow it, I think Ishizu just chose to follow it. Great duel! I just hate that virus cannon spell, it literally gets rid of 10 spells and no cost is required wich is kind of ridicilous even for anime card.
Yeah and Deck Destruction Virus from the Pyramid of Light movie was Even more insane being a Cont trap that did that same thing
@@SuperSayianWarrior I watched that movie, idk which one is worse, but tbh I feel like virus cannon is still worse because you don't need a cost or anything, so if you're playing 3 copies of it your opponent will lose all spells they have. With that cont trap you mentioned atleast your opponent has destroy your monster I think. and it's easily removable with mystical space pythoon or something like that, but virus cannon is just unfair.