Damn, that ex-fan’s video was brutal. Understandable, though. Do they expect us to believe it was pure coincidence that the black stream occurred at the exact same time Doki had scheduled her Neopets stream? That they just so happened to release what amounted to a smear video at the exact same time Doki was just getting back on her feet? I don’t really condone directly calling out or harassing streamers, since Doki just wants to move on and it solves nothing, and I think even this was a bit much, but what Elira and the others did was pretty despicable.
@@megalodon7916 I think it's proper that there is a discussion on the comment sections about what they did. Thing is, it usually devolves into full on war.
Oh snap das me 😳 Also I know alot of people are saying I'm 5 months late or whatever, but I made that video to talk about my feelings towards my ex oshi than the drama. Hence the title My Ex Oshi. I had to address the drama for context to justify my hatred. Hope that clears the misunderstanding.
You would choose what's right for a Coworker even if it means losing your house and deportation? Even if you aware the Co Worker has lawyered up and is invoking Breech of Contract in Business Entrustment Litigation and 2nd demand for Graduation was denied out of pettiness?(Doki slam dunk won her Settlement,its in the Termination letter they are paying her by March 31st,2024) Even if you, because of lost in translation induendo, made it "clear" via Vox being the one low key telling Selen that they dont dont belive the bullshit?( Honestly, go see if you can catch what they did.......its probably why they were stealth suspended....a Nijisister that caught it reported them😹)
@@FrarmerFrank I mean, Niji's reputation wouldn't sink this low if they didn't out themselves as an unsupportive, shitty company. Makes you really wonder. 😹😹😹
@@FrarmerFrank or take the suspension and not take part in the Nijisanji Black stream BS, think about the bigger picture, preserve human dignity. But they are not us and it was already done. They choose to become corporate slaves.
@@FrarmerFrank To be fair, those who stand up for Selen would likely be covered. The entire VTuber community, including other agencies, saw what happened to Doki and collectively agree that it was morally wrong. If the public and other agencies witnessed a talent sticking their neck out for Selen, deportation or losing a house would be the least of their worries. They would likely receive immense support from fans and other industry players, providing a safety net and potentially new opportunities. The community respects integrity and bravery, and those who stand up for what's right often find themselves supported and valued. What's ironic about that is Elira chose the immoral route and got instant karma out of it 🤣 Im glad Doki is getting her settlement, pays to be good, and Niji is anything but colorful.
Can't you believe it? It all started with Niji putting a leash on a talent because she's doing her best for the company as if she's a problematic dog...and the company's thinking it might bring them to bad light. Quite the irony huh... Tazumi.
they didn't like it that she was more popular then the clique was. it was pure jealously. How dare you do our job better then we can. like the old man from courage the cowardly dog "stupid dragon, you made us look bad, ooga booga booga"
Reminder of also how Elira made friends with an artist over Xenoblade, but once the Selen Shock happened, artist blocked Elira and posted about blocking them. Now, I know Hololive EN* has none who have streamed Xenoblade, but any Vtubers at VShojo and Phase Connect thst have? Asking as another fan of Xenoblade who was let down by Elira’s actions. Though I will say, one could say the Mythra in Torna “pretty privilege” clip has turned kind of ironic because of her actions. *I know Pekora in JP has, but I’m not at the point in learning Japanese that I should listen to _long_ livestreams to gain an understanding
Honestly me... It was one of the first things that I saw of vtubing along side ironmouse and hololive fan animations, and it was in an era when niji was holo's biggest rival but it all went to hell after that and I simply stopped following elira altogether, it was really infiuriating and sad.
“If Ryoma and Nightime Audios are the same person, do not judge Ryoma for what Nightime Audios has done” If they are the same person, I will ABSOLUTELY NOT give Ryoma another chance. Because both could be tide to the man behind them who caused serious issues.
When it comes to boyfriend asmr, I mostly listen to Fuzzi and I only came across to Nightime audios a couple of times. I'm rather curious, what did Nightime audios do?
I hope Miyu is doing ok. I know that pain. Lost my mom in Feb 2022 and my dad little over a month later in Mar. Its hard watching a love one battle an illness especially one that is either incurable or progressed to the point can only keep them comfy in their last days. Wish her the best and rest of her family is around for her.
The thing with Niji Japanese fans is that Japan can still focus and isolate its entertainment for Japan only due to higher language barrier. Even older anime only gain popularity thanks to dedicated few who willing to spend their time learning Japanese and fansubbing shows for free. Even Vtubing itself gain traction in the west due to two factors: Clippers, and few English speaking Vtubers like Coco, NijiIN, and HoloID. But even with flow of foreigners start watching Vtubers, Japanese streamers like Pekora, Miko or Fubuki can gain 10K viewers minimum from just local JP viewers.
I don't agree with the line " Don't judge Ryoma for what Nighttime Audios has done (if they are the same person)" because that's...insane. Changing Vtuber name/model doesn't change the person behind the screen. A guy robs a store and assaults someone and then a year later goes to the courts and changes his name. Should he still not be held accountable for his past? You just clean your hands and say "well he did those things as Bob and now he's Chad.... so he's free to go" ? No.
I just try to remind people that doki herself never explicitly said *who* was doing the bullying, never specified livers or management. We all know how manipulative their management can be. While some certainly had their own personal beef, there still exists the possibility that every piece of information they were given was cherry picked to formulate a specific opinion in the livers before the video was released.
Yeah, at most she just confirmed it since Niji themselves revealed it first. Man, i can not forget that the black screen stream that actually aired intentionally at same time as doki's neopets stream and ruined it.
The only thig we can really know since all inner workings are kept secret is that Riku as CEO is always responsible and I mean that legally. He is President, CEO and Founder of the company. Even the Elira stuff he is responsible. I don't think for a moment she willingly put out a video like that if she wasn't at least heavily encouraged to do so as all it would do is make HER fans upset at Selen/Doki. It could also backfire and she's the one who loses fans. and she has she has probably lost the most fans out of all of the EN Livers
Oh god I relate to that Elira fan so much. I'm an ex Kindred. In 2022, I got into vtubers for the first time and the one who really stood out to me was Vox. I very quickly became what I called a "Nijisanji girl" and only ever really watched Niji, specifically Vox and Luxiem. I loved them and watched them for a year and a half happily. Then the graduations and terminations started late 2023-early 2024. At that point I had started watching a new boy group from a new company. That group was Avallum. I watched the black screen video the day it came out 7 days after my birthday. I was in absolute shock and was crying. At that point I knew I had to stop supporting Vox. He was my kami oshi and I loved him, but I had to step away from him. Shortly after I continued watching Avallum and Lucien Lunaris became my kami oshi. I'm happy and a lot better now that I have him but having to step away from Vox after almost 2 years was devastating. I sometimes almost come back but I remember all the things he said and I end up staying away.
@@monclair5535 yeah same Millie is creative and Enna's voice is just heaven. I start watching Vtube because of them too. To bad thing turn for the worst
@@GoldRichness I know I heard about the past allegations and have seen his old channel/real name. That's why I'm glad I left even if I sometimes regret it for a second. My nea kami oshi is wayyyy better
@@ItzZotaku to this day I’m shocked why AnyColor decided to hire someone like him and do no background checks. Someone who is a CLEAR danger to minors shouldn’t be allowed. It’s the same shock I have for Daman Mills
even if anycolor used Elira, Vox and Ike. Those 3 still decided to take part in the situation. They all could have refused, and left the company speaking up against niji, with all their fans leaving WITH them and rebuilt like doki, but sadly they chose to be just as bad as the company instead, making matters worse for themselves. At the end of the day, not a single talent in Niji stood up for Selen, and turned a blind eye. They all made their choices only proving the point that both sides of any color and talent side are bad apples. Keep in mind: had they all banned together in support of selen when the mistreatment began, or even spoke up against it, the company and Anycolor would have no choice but to listen. 1 they can't fire all of their talents for it. 2. Vtuber companies and sponsors have all eyes on Niji and are aware of the mistreatment there. If talents get booted from Niji for that very reason, they'll be picked right back up with their followers intact. Sadly they've lost that opportunity by remaining quiet and allowing the staff to poorly handle things. And talents who specifically try to defend the company's actions put themselves in a much worse spot as well. Update: And the company just keeps getting even lower than before. Classic
Honestly I don't believe it would be fair to have expect them to openly rebel. First and foremost it's their careers so they gotta do whats best for themselves. However they could have chosen to not speak at all. Scarle did make somewhat of a subtle stand. But overall almost all the talents promoted the Black Stream which ultimately was Niji's biggest mistake in terms of PR. If they had simple settled things with Doki behind the scenes. It likely would have blown over pretty quick. But that one stream really got the fire roaring.
@@Murdstone12 well if a single nijiEN livers stood up for Selen back then, they might also terminated by Niji as well and labelled as traitor. While afraid to lose their fans in Niji, so it would be better to stay silent so at least people would notice that they aren't agree with the corps while maintaining their fanbase
@@FriendlyGaijin I understand that the fear of being terminated and labeled as a traitor by Nijisanji could have been a significant deterrent for any talents considering standing up for Selen. The risk of losing their fanbase and facing backlash is certainly a valid concern. However, staying silent can also send a message of complicity, even if unintentional. By not speaking up, they allowed the company’s actions to go unchallenged, potentially contributing to an environment where such treatment is tolerated. There have been instances in various industries where individuals or groups have taken a stand against unfair practices, and while it’s undoubtedly challenging and risky, it can lead to positive change. Supporting a colleague in distress could have united their fanbases and showcased a commitment to integrity and solidarity. Ultimately, while the fear of repercussions is understandable, taking a principled stand can sometimes be the catalyst needed for change, demonstrating to both the company and the audience that certain behaviors are unacceptable. In the long run, this might have helped to create a more supportive and fair environment for all talents involved.
@@failegion7828 I get that expecting open rebellion from the talents may seem unfair, given the potential risks to their careers. It’s true that each individual has to make choices that best suit their personal circumstances. However, the issue here isn't just about open rebellion; it's about the ethical responsibility of supporting a colleague and the impact of their actions on the broader community. While Scarle's subtle stand is commendable, and choosing silence over complicity could be seen as a form of protest, the promotion of the Black Stream by almost all the talents is problematic. By participating in and promoting that stream, they inadvertently endorsed the company's stance, contributing to the negative perception and backlash. Moreover, settling matters behind the scenes could have indeed been a more effective approach. However, the decision to publicly defame Doki not only harmed her but also damaged the company's reputation and the trust of the fans. It's important to recognize that actions, or the lack thereof, have consequences. Silence can sometimes be misinterpreted as agreement, and in this case, the talents' participation in the stream added fuel to the fire. The core issue is the need for integrity and support within the community. Standing up for what is right, even in subtle ways, can lead to positive change and foster a more supportive environment. The talents had an opportunity to set a precedent for solidarity and ethical behavior, which could have ultimately benefited everyone involved. Sadly, that wasn't the case. Keep in mind a co-worker of theirs only attempted suicide twice due to their work environment from bullying and poor management within the company. Remaining silent, taking orders, or doing next to nothing about the issue is far more painful than taking a stand against what you know isn't morally correct. Watching your co-workers take part in defaming someone you knew or even had an ounce of care fore must have been deeply disheartening. Taking a stand, even subtly, could have demonstrated integrity and solidarity, setting a powerful example for the entire community. Standing up for what is right not only supports those who are wronged but also helps create a more just and supportive environment for everyone involved.
@@FriendlyGaijin you basically just described a corporate coward bud. If you see bullying SAY SOMETHING, if you witness your own company and you're coworkers participating in beating your co-worker you gamed and had fun with down, leading to a 2nd attempt and you are aware of it or even AFTER THE FACT... SAY SOMETHING for crying out loud. NO ONE DID so Doki SAID SOMETHING. the community RESPONDED. Fans stuck with her, fans bailed the company, and sponsors/artists also followed suit. AND STOOD UP FOR HER. if the niji talents did the same while she was still in the hospital there wouldnt be such a big divide. Businesses who kept a close eye on the company taken notice at Niji and Anycolor. Vt companies included. They would have immediately be picking up these talents if they were terminated or quit on their own accord. Fans would also leave with their favorite talents. Maybe there wouldnt be a toxic divide in the community.
It's still hard for me to even see Elira, Ike, and Vox after everything that happened. I wasn't even that big of a fan of Selen, but hearing what she went through was heartbreaking. And then to have people she thought were friends dog pile on her while she was fighting against corporate assholes. I remember the tweets from all the NijiEN vtubed to watch the upcoming live and my heart sank, and I knew things were about to change, but THIS. This was crazy. I was in shock. And I immensely unfollowed all 3 of them on every platform. It's still hard for me to watch anyone from NijiEn because I do not want to support AnyColor. But there are so many amazing talents who deserve better that are stuck in contracts with a shit company.
Nah, from Mints PL tweets between her and Enna Elira was suddenly called into the office and Enna and Millie was supposed to been in her car not Vox and Enna was worried Elira got into an accident cause the 3 was MIA for 2 hours and wasnt answering phone or text(Mints PL between her and Enna) They was supposed to meet up with Matara, Mint,Kuro,Michi,Enna,Millie,Kiara,FuaMocco,Bao,and Onigiri at vSohjo JP that Morning (Matara was hosting) When Elira,Vox,and Ike finally answered Enna they said they got called into the office but didnt elaborate (last tweet on matter from Enna to Mints PL relieved the 3 were okay) Everyone spamming to watch Elira's Black video and Riku's video had Japanese apostrophizes in their message........so did everyone that was "taking a break" after🌈⭐ That video was prerecorded and aired by Nijisanji and the main thing they hold over Elira, besiside to just seize her channel and socials and do what they did, is she lives in Japan on a work Visa sponsered by Nijisanji(Something Matara is trying to remedy,btw)
I was at HyperJapan event in London yesterday, 3 members of Niji Vox, Eilra and Kotoka. I seen their appeared on a main screen and it is a big disappointment. They didn't interact their fans and somehow I think it's a prerecorded from Friday afternoon, maybe it my theory but bearly fans cheers for them while those sat on the audience seat ain't interested.
Oh I forgot about the event there. Doesn't help the convention was held near my area and couldn't attend cuz broke. In retrospect kinda glad I didn't go.
It seems its a reoccurring problem in event investment for NiJi EN. Or at least the point where they cut corners. If they had invested EN or the ID merge never happen they could have faired better. Its funny how ID management were better because when ID and EN merge ID exposure just became non existent. Or you know what don't cut corners lol manage your funds better 😅
@@Laevant Polka and Kiara have responded to my regular chat messages a few times too, and I wasn't even meaning for them to see them or anything. It was pretty neat.
@@DinnerForkTongue me too, Coco, Risu, Moona, iofi, Calli, Fauna, and Haachama respond to my regular chat messages, its makes me happy, i'm not expecting they read my message and respond it.... lol
Let’s be honest, hearing a former fan of Elira ranting about how hypocritical she was for running a smear campaign against Selen with pure hateful resentment in his voice just absolutely fuels my anger point to 11 I am beyond infuriated that she’s still receiving support even after the black box stream was still up
2:02 that face was my expression, and immediately was finished with anything that they have to do, say. The damage is still in effect on their own end.
3:00 There is a chance. Assume they graduate and then they somehow collab with Doki. That will leave everyone so utterly confused that they might manage to have success. I don't think that is likely at all, but there can always be some things happening behind the scenes that might make reality different from how we see it, and maybe there is a universe where there is no bad blood currently between Doki and Elira. Most likely that universe doesn't exist.
We actually discussed that LumiereGrimson Vtuber drama with MotherV3 in a stream yesterday, cause she is the one he has beef with. Apparently he botraided her and was an all around annoyance over the last few months. After all that he got banned by her, because Twitch Guidelines forced her to do it. We also checked the metrics a bit and it looks like he is using bots for his chat as well, but take that with a grain of salt, cause we don´t have proof of that.
Apparently his manager is also his brother who also has bit followers on Twitter and he was shit talking others about viewcount, Smugalana did a video going over it last night.
@ 15:00 If you only care about how your streamer interacts with you, you're in it for the wrong reason. They aren't there to be your friend, and you're in it for the wrong reasons.
Sending virtual hugs and headpats for Ms. Miyu Nijiro. may her mother rest peacefully in paradise. I’m sorry about her loss. And I hope she’s doing okay.
Honestly, I'm still seething at Vox. Whenever a CC I like makes the decision to destroy their image, I usually just end up feeling nothing towards them anymore. Just pure indifference, cause I can't even be bothered to waste energy to hate on them. But Vox though? I f***ing hate him. Biggest reason is how big of a betrayal did he just showed us. I used to think of him as that guy who'd protect his friends. I mean, he protected Reimu from his fans after the ASMR incident. I had a lot of respect for the guy. Then he was one of the voices in that black video. I wanted to believe that the three of them were being forced by management to do it cause the three of them were well-respected in the community. I thought that they'll leave sooner or later. But they haven't left yet... which made me realize that Vox Akuma is actually a f***ing bastard. The same guy who seemed to have a great chemistry with Selen, would genuinely betray a friend. That's why I can't help but hate him. I can't just act like he's not there, cause he's just too big of a bastard for that.
14:36 That must be newbie or hungry for attention. Reine read my comments once 3 time in a row (NOT SC). UwU Botan noticed me once. 0w0 You just have to be a good fan and they will notice you over time.
" do not judge ryoma for what nightime audios have done" this makes 0 f-ing sense, if a scammer was a librarian but than decided to change his career to a bookshop owner, that doesn't change the fact bro's still a scammer 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Man.... I really Fancy Elira's character design... I also love how she plays her personality.... it's just............ Man...........................................
Elira it makes me worried, she screw up big time that she deserves it, but the whole community they all hate her wishing if she was gone, is harsh when the whole world hates you, she did that for her job and not against it, but look what has come to her, just making the mistake of supporting the company would make the whole world hate you, the best what she could do, is... 1. Quit Nijisanji (screw graduation because taking actions of quitting would take a different perspective to the community instead of the community relieve that she's gone from graduation) 2. Apologize to doki 3. take a break 4. get help 5. start over either as a person or independent vtuber she can't ignore all the trash talk, that could lead to something worst, the community is scary is a scary thing if you show on the wrong side.
So far there hasn't been a situation where they had doxed any of the Niji En (thank god). While Elira deserve criticism what worries me most isnt just the problem you pointed out but the fact that Niji would not take mental issues seriously. So far no one got a mental help as far I'm concerned even if they have it might be just outnof courtesy. The fact that they streamed in Bili bili rather than a good moderator just highlights that. Imagine you have to stream elsewhere where you fandom isnt where its at let alone them using a language you are familiat too. Compared to making videos which is just recording and if you are willing enough edit them. Streaming is exhausting like extreamly so. Niji had to step up or just sell their company of they cant be competent enough in their overseas branch.
I love Vox and Ike but what they did is fucked. I prefer to think Niji forced them, but to go along with it and not stand up for her, is beyond messed up. I usually follow into livers next lives, but some may be left out now.
Yeah. Sadly black companies thrive because japanese fanbases are depressingly use to this. So it's a culture shock for international fans, but normal is for local fans. Hell, apparently the fans are PART of the problem. It's a toxic relationship that the japanese don't want to acknowledge since it's one of their major escapisms.
That AI voice is unwatchable, my god. It's really bad for content longer than one or two sentences. That "strong base" that black companies like Anycolor enjoy will only last as long as there is no big crash in the Japanese economy that implodes the financial bubble. Without any of their make-believe money in spreadsheets and internet servers being worth jack, their house of cards will invariably fall apart. And those of us aware of economic shifts _know_ that JP's economy is essentially circling a drain, especially since it's so subservient to the dollar and the world de-dollarizing itself at a rapid pace.
Ike why….and you were one of my favorites bro…..like bro😭😭😭😭 who convinced Ike to do it and he just had his 3-D whatever it was called💀and now he’s in some drama……like bro…..and all three of them ganging up on Doki bird like that💀😔👺😡like bro what did she do?…. I need a moment to think….. and take a break from watching all three of them😡😡👺👺👺 ESPECIALLY IKE👺👺👺but I’ll continue to watch Doki bird😁😁😁😁…….but I’ll continue to watch Alban Knox😁😁😁😁🥐 ☕️🥞🍶🍵🧋🧁🍩🍫
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Damn, that ex-fan’s video was brutal. Understandable, though. Do they expect us to believe it was pure coincidence that the black stream occurred at the exact same time Doki had scheduled her Neopets stream? That they just so happened to release what amounted to a smear video at the exact same time Doki was just getting back on her feet? I don’t really condone directly calling out or harassing streamers, since Doki just wants to move on and it solves nothing, and I think even this was a bit much, but what Elira and the others did was pretty despicable.
Ironically, I saw that yesterday, it was both funny, and kinda sad tbh.
@@megalodon7916 I think it's proper that there is a discussion on the comment sections about what they did. Thing is, it usually devolves into full on war.
She literally changed the timing of the stream to occur exactly when Doki's stream went live. Of course it wasn't coincidence.
Oh snap das me 😳 Also I know alot of people are saying I'm 5 months late or whatever, but I made that video to talk about my feelings towards my ex oshi than the drama. Hence the title My Ex Oshi. I had to address the drama for context to justify my hatred. Hope that clears the misunderstanding.
You made the right decision even if it is a little painful to lose respect for someone you admire so much
Dokibird got me back into Minecraft AND Neopets. Glad to say they failed in stopping her
They only made her stronger
What can I say?
Dokjbird has said she has inherit bad luck only off set by hard work
The girl even fails at failing if she doesnt earn the right😹
@@bashamd96 it’s wild how instead of a successful slander campaign, they instead were the spring that sent her into complete stardom
Daaaaamn, Neopets. And now I'm old.
At this point Doki got a Zenkai boost and came back way stronger than before.
At the end of the day, regardless of the facts, choices were made by all.
You would choose what's right for a Coworker even if it means losing your house and deportation?
Even if you aware the Co Worker has lawyered up and is invoking Breech of Contract in Business Entrustment Litigation and 2nd demand for Graduation was denied out of pettiness?(Doki slam dunk won her Settlement,its in the Termination letter they are paying her by March 31st,2024)
Even if you, because of lost in translation induendo, made it "clear" via Vox being the one low key telling Selen that they dont dont belive the bullshit?( Honestly, go see if you can catch what they did.......its probably why they were stealth suspended....a Nijisister that caught it reported them😹)
this need to be pinned
@@FrarmerFrank I mean, Niji's reputation wouldn't sink this low if they didn't out themselves as an unsupportive, shitty company. Makes you really wonder. 😹😹😹
@@FrarmerFrank or take the suspension and not take part in the Nijisanji Black stream BS, think about the bigger picture, preserve human dignity. But they are not us and it was already done. They choose to become corporate slaves.
@@FrarmerFrank To be fair, those who stand up for Selen would likely be covered. The entire VTuber community, including other agencies, saw what happened to Doki and collectively agree that it was morally wrong. If the public and other agencies witnessed a talent sticking their neck out for Selen, deportation or losing a house would be the least of their worries. They would likely receive immense support from fans and other industry players, providing a safety net and potentially new opportunities. The community respects integrity and bravery, and those who stand up for what's right often find themselves supported and valued. What's ironic about that is Elira chose the immoral route and got instant karma out of it 🤣
Im glad Doki is getting her settlement, pays to be good, and Niji is anything but colorful.
Can't you believe it? It all started with Niji putting a leash on a talent because she's doing her best for the company as if she's a problematic dog...and the company's thinking it might bring them to bad light. Quite the irony huh... Tazumi.
they didn't like it that she was more popular then the clique was. it was pure jealously. How dare you do our job better then we can. like the old man from courage the cowardly dog "stupid dragon, you made us look bad, ooga booga booga"
@@lexmarks567 Yeah the whole Clique pulled off a Eustace on Selen because everyone (Except Vox) got beaten by her in terms of popularity.
Ironically, they can still do mental gymnastics and point to Doki as the reason why they are in a slump now.
Reminder of also how Elira made friends with an artist over Xenoblade, but once the Selen Shock happened, artist blocked Elira and posted about blocking them.
Now, I know Hololive EN* has none who have streamed Xenoblade, but any Vtubers at VShojo and Phase Connect thst have? Asking as another fan of Xenoblade who was let down by Elira’s actions. Though I will say, one could say the Mythra in Torna “pretty privilege” clip has turned kind of ironic because of her actions.
*I know Pekora in JP has, but I’m not at the point in learning Japanese that I should listen to _long_ livestreams to gain an understanding
Honestly me... It was one of the first things that I saw of vtubing along side ironmouse and hololive fan animations, and it was in an era when niji was holo's biggest rival but it all went to hell after that and I simply stopped following elira altogether, it was really infiuriating and sad.
“If Ryoma and Nightime Audios are the same person, do not judge Ryoma for what Nightime Audios has done” If they are the same person, I will ABSOLUTELY NOT give Ryoma another chance. Because both could be tide to the man behind them who caused serious issues.
When it comes to boyfriend asmr, I mostly listen to Fuzzi and I only came across to Nightime audios a couple of times. I'm rather curious, what did Nightime audios do?
@@arathecutiei think he scammed his audience and some other things I don't remember but there's videos about what he did so you can search them
@@arathecutie Salvi covered him before, but yeah he’s a real prick for manipulating his fans for large sums of money.
I hope Miyu is doing ok. I know that pain. Lost my mom in Feb 2022 and my dad little over a month later in Mar. Its hard watching a love one battle an illness especially one that is either incurable or progressed to the point can only keep them comfy in their last days. Wish her the best and rest of her family is around for her.
@@rizyu i found her again
Nijisanji Eng -> talks trash about ex members
Hololive Eng -> civil war about drinks
I would've said
Hololive Productions -> we will honor the memory of those we lose.
Coffee won at the end huh😂
@@crackedstar9992 I call rigged. They put a soda drinker on the judges panel.
@@crackedstar9992 that's is rigged, I want another collab for Cola and Sprite.
@@mukti5896 no wayyyyyy
The thing with Niji Japanese fans is that Japan can still focus and isolate its entertainment for Japan only due to higher language barrier. Even older anime only gain popularity thanks to dedicated few who willing to spend their time learning Japanese and fansubbing shows for free.
Even Vtubing itself gain traction in the west due to two factors: Clippers, and few English speaking Vtubers like Coco, NijiIN, and HoloID. But even with flow of foreigners start watching Vtubers, Japanese streamers like Pekora, Miko or Fubuki can gain 10K viewers minimum from just local JP viewers.
I don't agree with the line " Don't judge Ryoma for what Nighttime Audios has done (if they are the same person)" because that's...insane. Changing Vtuber name/model doesn't change the person behind the screen. A guy robs a store and assaults someone and then a year later goes to the courts and changes his name. Should he still not be held accountable for his past? You just clean your hands and say "well he did those things as Bob and now he's Chad.... so he's free to go" ? No.
I just try to remind people that doki herself never explicitly said *who* was doing the bullying, never specified livers or management.
We all know how manipulative their management can be. While some certainly had their own personal beef, there still exists the possibility that every piece of information they were given was cherry picked to formulate a specific opinion in the livers before the video was released.
Yeah, at most she just confirmed it since Niji themselves revealed it first. Man, i can not forget that the black screen stream that actually aired intentionally at same time as doki's neopets stream and ruined it.
The only thig we can really know since all inner workings are kept secret is that Riku as CEO is always responsible and I mean that legally. He is President, CEO and Founder of the company. Even the Elira stuff he is responsible. I don't think for a moment she willingly put out a video like that if she wasn't at least heavily encouraged to do so as all it would do is make HER fans upset at Selen/Doki. It could also backfire and she's the one who loses fans. and she has she has probably lost the most fans out of all of the EN Livers
I’m not taking excuses anymore. That’s not something you can excuse and spare the livers from punishment
Yup people just claim it it was the top three live that are the bully
@@deathknight3252 that's still inexcusable
Oh god I relate to that Elira fan so much. I'm an ex Kindred. In 2022, I got into vtubers for the first time and the one who really stood out to me was Vox. I very quickly became what I called a "Nijisanji girl" and only ever really watched Niji, specifically Vox and Luxiem. I loved them and watched them for a year and a half happily. Then the graduations and terminations started late 2023-early 2024. At that point I had started watching a new boy group from a new company. That group was Avallum. I watched the black screen video the day it came out 7 days after my birthday. I was in absolute shock and was crying. At that point I knew I had to stop supporting Vox. He was my kami oshi and I loved him, but I had to step away from him. Shortly after I continued watching Avallum and Lucien Lunaris became my kami oshi. I'm happy and a lot better now that I have him but having to step away from Vox after almost 2 years was devastating. I sometimes almost come back but I remember all the things he said and I end up staying away.
Same here but with Millie and Enna. Now I don’t even watch a single clip.
@@monclair5535 yeah same Millie is creative and Enna's voice is just heaven. I start watching Vtube because of them too. To bad thing turn for the worst
You did the right thing. Vox also had allegations against him prior to Nijisanji. His real name was already leaked, being Edward Baldock.
@@GoldRichness I know I heard about the past allegations and have seen his old channel/real name. That's why I'm glad I left even if I sometimes regret it for a second. My nea kami oshi is wayyyy better
@@ItzZotaku to this day I’m shocked why AnyColor decided to hire someone like him and do no background checks. Someone who is a CLEAR danger to minors shouldn’t be allowed. It’s the same shock I have for Daman Mills
Fun fact: the black box video is Elira's most viewed video
Yeah, even niji congratulated elira for 1M. Imagine that you get congratulated for the very same video you lost almost half your fanbase from.
@@oscardeleon6868 Wait WHAT?
even if anycolor used Elira, Vox and Ike. Those 3 still decided to take part in the situation. They all could have refused, and left the company speaking up against niji, with all their fans leaving WITH them and rebuilt like doki, but sadly they chose to be just as bad as the company instead, making matters worse for themselves. At the end of the day, not a single talent in Niji stood up for Selen, and turned a blind eye. They all made their choices only proving the point that both sides of any color and talent side are bad apples.
Keep in mind: had they all banned together in support of selen when the mistreatment began, or even spoke up against it, the company and Anycolor would have no choice but to listen.
1 they can't fire all of their talents for it.
2. Vtuber companies and sponsors have all eyes on Niji and are aware of the mistreatment there. If talents get booted from Niji for that very reason, they'll be picked right back up with their followers intact. Sadly they've lost that opportunity by remaining quiet and allowing the staff to poorly handle things.
And talents who specifically try to defend the company's actions put themselves in a much worse spot as well.
Update: And the company just keeps getting even lower than before. Classic
Honestly I don't believe it would be fair to have expect them to openly rebel. First and foremost it's their careers so they gotta do whats best for themselves. However they could have chosen to not speak at all. Scarle did make somewhat of a subtle stand. But overall almost all the talents promoted the Black Stream which ultimately was Niji's biggest mistake in terms of PR.
If they had simple settled things with Doki behind the scenes. It likely would have blown over pretty quick. But that one stream really got the fire roaring.
@@Murdstone12 well if a single nijiEN livers stood up for Selen back then, they might also terminated by Niji as well and labelled as traitor. While afraid to lose their fans in Niji, so it would be better to stay silent so at least people would notice that they aren't agree with the corps while maintaining their fanbase
@@FriendlyGaijin I understand that the fear of being terminated and labeled as a traitor by Nijisanji could have been a significant deterrent for any talents considering standing up for Selen. The risk of losing their fanbase and facing backlash is certainly a valid concern.
However, staying silent can also send a message of complicity, even if unintentional. By not speaking up, they allowed the company’s actions to go unchallenged, potentially contributing to an environment where such treatment is tolerated.
There have been instances in various industries where individuals or groups have taken a stand against unfair practices, and while it’s undoubtedly challenging and risky, it can lead to positive change. Supporting a colleague in distress could have united their fanbases and showcased a commitment to integrity and solidarity.
Ultimately, while the fear of repercussions is understandable, taking a principled stand can sometimes be the catalyst needed for change, demonstrating to both the company and the audience that certain behaviors are unacceptable. In the long run, this might have helped to create a more supportive and fair environment for all talents involved.
@@failegion7828 I get that expecting open rebellion from the talents may seem unfair, given the potential risks to their careers. It’s true that each individual has to make choices that best suit their personal circumstances. However, the issue here isn't just about open rebellion; it's about the ethical responsibility of supporting a colleague and the impact of their actions on the broader community.
While Scarle's subtle stand is commendable, and choosing silence over complicity could be seen as a form of protest, the promotion of the Black Stream by almost all the talents is problematic. By participating in and promoting that stream, they inadvertently endorsed the company's stance, contributing to the negative perception and backlash.
Moreover, settling matters behind the scenes could have indeed been a more effective approach. However, the decision to publicly defame Doki not only harmed her but also damaged the company's reputation and the trust of the fans. It's important to recognize that actions, or the lack thereof, have consequences. Silence can sometimes be misinterpreted as agreement, and in this case, the talents' participation in the stream added fuel to the fire.
The core issue is the need for integrity and support within the community. Standing up for what is right, even in subtle ways, can lead to positive change and foster a more supportive environment. The talents had an opportunity to set a precedent for solidarity and ethical behavior, which could have ultimately benefited everyone involved. Sadly, that wasn't the case. Keep in mind a co-worker of theirs only attempted suicide twice due to their work environment from bullying and poor management within the company.
Remaining silent, taking orders, or doing next to nothing about the issue is far more painful than taking a stand against what you know isn't morally correct. Watching your co-workers take part in defaming someone you knew or even had an ounce of care fore must have been deeply disheartening. Taking a stand, even subtly, could have demonstrated integrity and solidarity, setting a powerful example for the entire community. Standing up for what is right not only supports those who are wronged but also helps create a more just and supportive environment for everyone involved.
@@FriendlyGaijin you basically just described a corporate coward bud. If you see bullying SAY SOMETHING, if you witness your own company and you're coworkers participating in beating your co-worker you gamed and had fun with down, leading to a 2nd attempt and you are aware of it or even AFTER THE FACT... SAY SOMETHING for crying out loud.
NO ONE DID so Doki SAID SOMETHING. the community RESPONDED. Fans stuck with her, fans bailed the company, and sponsors/artists also followed suit. AND STOOD UP FOR HER.
if the niji talents did the same while she was still in the hospital there wouldnt be such a big divide. Businesses who kept a close eye on the company taken notice at Niji and Anycolor. Vt companies included. They would have immediately be picking up these talents if they were terminated or quit on their own accord. Fans would also leave with their favorite talents. Maybe there wouldnt be a toxic divide in the community.
It's still hard for me to even see Elira, Ike, and Vox after everything that happened. I wasn't even that big of a fan of Selen, but hearing what she went through was heartbreaking. And then to have people she thought were friends dog pile on her while she was fighting against corporate assholes. I remember the tweets from all the NijiEN vtubed to watch the upcoming live and my heart sank, and I knew things were about to change, but THIS. This was crazy. I was in shock. And I immensely unfollowed all 3 of them on every platform. It's still hard for me to watch anyone from NijiEn because I do not want to support AnyColor. But there are so many amazing talents who deserve better that are stuck in contracts with a shit company.
Nah, from Mints PL tweets between her and Enna Elira was suddenly called into the office and Enna and Millie was supposed to been in her car not Vox and
Enna was worried Elira got into an accident cause the 3 was MIA for 2 hours and wasnt answering phone or text(Mints PL between her and Enna) They was supposed to meet up with Matara, Mint,Kuro,Michi,Enna,Millie,Kiara,FuaMocco,Bao,and Onigiri at vSohjo JP that Morning (Matara was hosting)
When Elira,Vox,and Ike finally answered Enna they said they got called into the office but didnt elaborate (last tweet on matter from Enna to Mints PL relieved the 3 were okay)
Everyone spamming to watch Elira's Black video and Riku's video had Japanese apostrophizes in their message........so did everyone that was "taking a break" after🌈⭐
That video was prerecorded and aired by Nijisanji and the main thing they hold over Elira, besiside to just seize her channel and socials and do what they did, is she lives in Japan on a work Visa sponsered by Nijisanji(Something Matara is trying to remedy,btw)
That’s still not an excuse. Elira and Vox both sealed their fates, Vox even more so because he’s a danger to minors
@@GoldRichness VOX IS A WHAT NOW?!? This is new, please elaborate on that 😰
@@Tsar_Tinna he’s got allegations against him prior to Niji
@@GoldRichness golly, the tea is boiling hot. Thanks for explaining!
@@Tsar_Tinna yeah, his real name is Edward Baldock
I was at HyperJapan event in London yesterday, 3 members of Niji Vox, Eilra and Kotoka. I seen their appeared on a main screen and it is a big disappointment. They didn't interact their fans and somehow I think it's a prerecorded from Friday afternoon, maybe it my theory but bearly fans cheers for them while those sat on the audience seat ain't interested.
Oh I forgot about the event there. Doesn't help the convention was held near my area and couldn't attend cuz broke. In retrospect kinda glad I didn't go.
Bro that sucks sorry u had to see that. ☹
@waterking74 ik but there something more than Niji over i truly like
It seems its a reoccurring problem in event investment for NiJi EN. Or at least the point where they cut corners. If they had invested EN or the ID merge never happen they could have faired better. Its funny how ID management were better because when ID and EN merge ID exposure just became non existent. Or you know what don't cut corners lol manage your funds better 😅
14:36 By their own logic, they won't support any of the Hololive gals.
His virtue signalling sure didn't take THAT into account.
Not only that but he was exposed for view botting so what a hypocrite.
Actually fun when you post a regular non member chat and they read it. Bae read my comments a few times so I know she checks regular viewers.
@@Laevant Polka and Kiara have responded to my regular chat messages a few times too, and I wasn't even meaning for them to see them or anything. It was pretty neat.
@@DinnerForkTongue me too,
Coco, Risu, Moona, iofi, Calli, Fauna, and Haachama respond to my regular chat messages, its makes me happy, i'm not expecting they read my message and respond it.... lol
Let’s be honest, hearing a former fan of Elira ranting about how hypocritical she was for running a smear campaign against Selen with pure hateful resentment in his voice just absolutely fuels my anger point to 11
I am beyond infuriated that she’s still receiving support even after the black box stream was still up
Finally an actual GOOD NEWS
2:02 that face was my expression, and immediately was finished with anything that they have to do, say. The damage is still in effect on their own end.
Niji gaslighting us huh? Gaslight them back😂
Niji wars Episode V: Gaslight Back
I got a gaslight for them. Just gotta hit Taco Bell first.
No more mercy!
yesterday was a sad day for vtubers, besides Miyu's mother, we also lost Minori
It was definitely a sad day
3:00 There is a chance. Assume they graduate and then they somehow collab with Doki.
That will leave everyone so utterly confused that they might manage to have success.
I don't think that is likely at all, but there can always be some things happening behind the scenes that might make reality different from how we see it, and maybe there is a universe where there is no bad blood currently between Doki and Elira.
Most likely that universe doesn't exist.
We actually discussed that LumiereGrimson Vtuber drama with MotherV3 in a stream yesterday, cause she is the one he has beef with. Apparently he botraided her and was an all around annoyance over the last few months. After all that he got banned by her, because Twitch Guidelines forced her to do it. We also checked the metrics a bit and it looks like he is using bots for his chat as well, but take that with a grain of salt, cause we don´t have proof of that.
The person did seem like they were bitter, and bitter people do odd things
Apparently his manager is also his brother who also has bit followers on Twitter and he was shit talking others about viewcount, Smugalana did a video going over it last night.
I watched that blue bird's vid when he posted it. And it's really sad and all. But im glad he spoke out. 💛
@ 15:00 If you only care about how your streamer interacts with you, you're in it for the wrong reason. They aren't there to be your friend, and you're in it for the wrong reasons.
Sending virtual hugs and headpats for Ms. Miyu Nijiro. may her mother rest peacefully in paradise. I’m sorry about her loss. And I hope she’s doing okay.
Honestly, I'm still seething at Vox. Whenever a CC I like makes the decision to destroy their image, I usually just end up feeling nothing towards them anymore. Just pure indifference, cause I can't even be bothered to waste energy to hate on them. But Vox though? I f***ing hate him. Biggest reason is how big of a betrayal did he just showed us.
I used to think of him as that guy who'd protect his friends. I mean, he protected Reimu from his fans after the ASMR incident. I had a lot of respect for the guy. Then he was one of the voices in that black video. I wanted to believe that the three of them were being forced by management to do it cause the three of them were well-respected in the community. I thought that they'll leave sooner or later. But they haven't left yet... which made me realize that Vox Akuma is actually a f***ing bastard. The same guy who seemed to have a great chemistry with Selen, would genuinely betray a friend. That's why I can't help but hate him. I can't just act like he's not there, cause he's just too big of a bastard for that.
14:36 That must be newbie or hungry for attention.
Reine read my comments once 3 time in a row (NOT SC). UwU
Botan noticed me once. 0w0
You just have to be a good fan and they will notice you over time.
You just need to stay relevant and stay in the topic.
Yeah, it isnt that hard. Just stay on the topic and sooner or later, you gonna get noticed.
Thank you for the shoutout!!! 🎉 Keep doing what you're doing or I would be utterly clueless ^^'
" do not judge ryoma for what nightime audios have done" this makes 0 f-ing sense, if a scammer was a librarian but than decided to change his career to a bookshop owner, that doesn't change the fact bro's still a scammer 💀💀💀💀💀💀
So Elira became Bayle The Dread.
@@side7oldtype298 CURSE YOU BAYLE!!!
0:48 LMAO I didn't notice this before, but this dude is a capipi!!!
When I saw about size stuff, I thought it's about doxxed Vtubers who's fat IRL
Man.... I really Fancy Elira's character design... I also love how she plays her personality.... it's just............ Man...........................................
Man i love the intro😂
15:26
Theres always that kind of people which always gonna turn everything into a toxic contest or just cant compete in a healthy way.
Elira it makes me worried, she screw up big time that she deserves it, but the whole community they all hate her wishing if she was gone, is harsh when the whole world hates you, she did that for her job and not against it, but look what has come to her, just making the mistake of supporting the company would make the whole world hate you, the best what she could do, is...
1. Quit Nijisanji (screw graduation because taking actions of quitting would take a different perspective to the community instead of the community relieve that she's gone from graduation)
2. Apologize to doki
3. take a break
4. get help
5. start over either as a person or independent vtuber
she can't ignore all the trash talk, that could lead to something worst, the community is scary is a scary thing if you show on the wrong side.
So far there hasn't been a situation where they had doxed any of the Niji En (thank god). While Elira deserve criticism what worries me most isnt just the problem you pointed out but the fact that Niji would not take mental issues seriously. So far no one got a mental help as far I'm concerned even if they have it might be just outnof courtesy. The fact that they streamed in Bili bili rather than a good moderator just highlights that. Imagine you have to stream elsewhere where you fandom isnt where its at let alone them using a language you are familiat too. Compared to making videos which is just recording and if you are willing enough edit them. Streaming is exhausting like extreamly so. Niji had to step up or just sell their company of they cant be competent enough in their overseas branch.
I love Vox and Ike but what they did is fucked. I prefer to think Niji forced them, but to go along with it and not stand up for her, is beyond messed up. I usually follow into livers next lives, but some may be left out now.
Shu is the only one I trust rn and I just hope he has been acting his real self and not a facade.
15:46 isn't it the vtuber using bots for followers
Yeah. Sadly black companies thrive because japanese fanbases are depressingly use to this. So it's a culture shock for international fans, but normal is for local fans.
Hell, apparently the fans are PART of the problem. It's a toxic relationship that the japanese don't want to acknowledge since it's one of their major escapisms.
i just watched that earlier today XD
That AI voice is unwatchable, my god. It's really bad for content longer than one or two sentences.
That "strong base" that black companies like Anycolor enjoy will only last as long as there is no big crash in the Japanese economy that implodes the financial bubble. Without any of their make-believe money in spreadsheets and internet servers being worth jack, their house of cards will invariably fall apart. And those of us aware of economic shifts _know_ that JP's economy is essentially circling a drain, especially since it's so subservient to the dollar and the world de-dollarizing itself at a rapid pace.
Dude, financial bubble bursted back in the early 90s. Right now it's more like economical stagnation.
@@kos2919 Stagflation, actually, which is faaar worse. Money doesn't circulate, and things STILL keep costing more and more.
Thank god left that sh*t miles away.
Chilling with Vspo for 2 half years. Wholesome company, shenanigans Vtubers.
Bro really put a disclaimer in front of his video 💀
Take a look at Blue Loves videos their pretty good.
Also this dude really loves to leave a comment on vtuber clips
Its funny how y'all think doki was the only one harassed/bullied in this problematic company.
Ike why….and you were one of my favorites bro…..like bro😭😭😭😭 who convinced Ike to do it and he just had his 3-D whatever it was called💀and now he’s in some drama……like bro…..and all three of them ganging up on Doki bird like that💀😔👺😡like bro what did she do?…. I need a moment to think….. and take a break from watching all three of them😡😡👺👺👺 ESPECIALLY IKE👺👺👺but I’ll continue to watch Doki bird😁😁😁😁…….but I’ll continue to watch Alban Knox😁😁😁😁🥐
☕️🥞🍶🍵🧋🧁🍩🍫
Glad to see nijisanji collapsing in on itself it’s a rotten company
is surprising to see a upcoming vtuber in the video lol
So which vtuber has onlyfans?
But she's kinds hot though