A lot of folks have no idea how incredible this line was, when one considers the age of the members and the difficulty of the book, it was truly amazing.
Everything is so tight for the super slow drum solo at 50 beats per minute. Playing at that slow of a speed is like 10x harder than playing at one volume at 200 beats per minute. Plus, that tenor timbale' rim shot at the end of the solo was so funky but, worked in the seriousness of the overall composition. Such great writing and execution - I wish this caption head still worked on Cavies shows.
Not sure what you were listening to. The line sounds pretty damn clean to me! The dynamics are impeccable. I know this may not have much to do with this particular video, but Garfield getting a PERFECT 20 in drums in 1987? LOL Yes they were a great line, but, you mean to tell me they didn't make ONE mistake in the entire show? Its the VERY reason why they beat SCV that year. What a shame.
No, it’s not about mistakes. ‘87 Garfield was simply, according to a Ted Nicholeris, 0.3 better than SCV on the field and, according to Jay Kennedy, 0.2 better than SCV in Ensemble. According to Rich McCarty, they were 0.3 better than SCV in G.E. Judges rank and rate, comparing performances across the show. Kennedy wrote on the sheet: “UNF- - - - INGBELIEVABLE!!!!!” I think he was impressed.
@@ImVee10 Even with that tenor mallet bouncing down to the front sideline. Whether it is about mistakes or not it was NOT a perfect show by any means.. I heard it live that night.
It was a shame!!!! Did you see that tenor mallet bounce down to the front sideline!! Not only that year but, DCI judges would get it wrong for many years after that!!!!!!
@@ImVee10 I read exactly what you said and what you need to do is listen to the 1987 on field tape from SCV that might change your mind if it doesn't that's not my problem. That's what after-show critiques are for and I've been in many of them 14 Seasons compared to how many critiques have you been in, if have ever marched ir taught a DCI top 12 line. The politics of DCI has obviously eluded you.
You can definitely tell Argenziano is a poor judge. He's literally just trying to sound like Allan Kristensen the whole time. He's always had a difficult time evaluating groups accurately.
Separation and timing, difficult parts are challenging in terms of timing, attacks, and releases so when you don't want phasing or timing issues you count, they count in symphonies as well they just do it silently but they are not marching while playing, Cavies are real bad asses, when you completed against them you recognized the Da Da Da right away, in most cases for other corps it translated to we are kicking your ass.
I Stomp Conservative Ass I agree. I still to this day don't understand how Cavs took top drums. Don't get me wrong, I like the book but not tops that year for sure.
multibuddhaneo well... my theory is that Cavies were and have been for years, attempting to develop a new type of percussion sound within the activity: very inspired by concert percussion ensemble, with a variety of non traditional elements and sounds... using a lot of syncopated timing exercises in the battery to establish grooves, etc. They were getting a lot of credit for this "sound"... they were also the first to really create and innovate the "pod percussion stations" in the pit... instead of pit members scrambling all over a variety of concert percussion instruments... everyone had their own "mini percussion station"... usually a primary keyboard with a secondary keyboard attached, a few cymbals, metallics, toms or bombast, pair of hand cymbals, and other elements.... all attached to a rolling frame.... they were getting a lot of recognition and credit for these innovations that James Campbell and company introduced. Their front was getting them points more than the battery. Getting rid of the marching cymbals and expanding front players was a wise decision for their needs. (something Star did in 1990)...
+I Stomp Conservative Ass high shcool? dude, campbell came back from a sabbatical at calarts and dropped the knowledge. you can't hear the tihai in the drum solo? you must be in high school.
+ghyprh pffft... not hardly... it was only a gimmick... now Spirit using 7 basses back in the 70's or 9 basses in 88 and 89... that meant business... Cavies played rinky dink, high school timing exercises.
A lot of folks have no idea how incredible this line was, when one considers the age of the members and the difficulty of the book, it was truly amazing.
Everything is so tight for the super slow drum solo at 50 beats per minute. Playing at that slow of a speed is like 10x harder than playing at one volume at 200 beats per minute. Plus, that tenor timbale' rim shot at the end of the solo was so funky but, worked in the seriousness of the overall composition. Such great writing and execution - I wish this caption head still worked on Cavies shows.
This was one year before I marched in 93, the 93 season changed my life forever.
It was Brian Ward of Chillicothe, IL, who played Baritone this year, who began my drum corps exposure, thanks Brian...good job drum line.
A lot of people don't understand the caliber of a top 12 corps, even college band folk, they have no idea how demanding it is.
I'd love to hear 1992 Madison's Field Drum Judge
Great Line!
The era when the drumline writting was so tasteful.
All playing, NO dancing!
Back when 8 basses meant business.
Not sure what you were listening to. The line sounds pretty damn clean to me! The dynamics are impeccable.
I know this may not have much to do with this particular video, but Garfield getting a PERFECT 20 in drums in 1987? LOL
Yes they were a great line, but, you mean to tell me they didn't make ONE mistake in the entire show? Its the VERY reason why they beat SCV that year. What a shame.
No, it’s not about mistakes. ‘87 Garfield was simply, according to a Ted Nicholeris, 0.3 better than SCV on the field and, according to Jay Kennedy, 0.2 better than SCV in Ensemble. According to Rich McCarty, they were 0.3 better than SCV in G.E. Judges rank and rate, comparing performances across the show. Kennedy wrote on the sheet: “UNF- - - - INGBELIEVABLE!!!!!” I think he was impressed.
@@ImVee10 Even with that tenor mallet bouncing down to the front sideline. Whether it is about mistakes or not it was NOT a perfect show by any means.. I heard it live that night.
It was a shame!!!! Did you see that tenor mallet bounce down to the front sideline!! Not only that year but, DCI judges would get it wrong for many years after that!!!!!!
@@ondrauscissell6952 You didn't read a word I wrote. But thanks for hearing it live and setting those trained professional judges straight.
@@ImVee10 I read exactly what you said and what you need to do is listen to the 1987 on field tape from SCV that might change your mind if it doesn't that's not my problem.
That's what after-show critiques are for and I've been in many of them 14 Seasons compared to how many critiques have you been in, if have ever marched ir taught a DCI top 12 line.
The politics of DCI has obviously eluded you.
R.I.P. Heath Lawless
Fifteen killed.
Four more notes....Four. More. Notes...FOUR...MORE...NOTES!!
Can you count?
@@mikerobertson3244 Apparently not....I think I had Picard's "There...are...four....lights!" in my head at the time!
I'm not even gonna edit it.
You can definitely tell Argenziano is a poor judge. He's literally just trying to sound like Allan Kristensen the whole time. He's always had a difficult time evaluating groups accurately.
Facts…..and talks too much
Trying to sound like Kristensen?..... Even though Ed judged finals before Kristensen ever did 🤷♂️
I gotta double down....this is a dumbass comment that shows how little you know
Yawn...
92 Cavies were incredible, that line was very clean.
WHAT IS WITH THE DA DA DA DA DA DA ???
FORMER LONG ISLAND SUNRISER'S DRUM AND BUGLE CORPS.
It's just the drum line counting out the rests.
Separation and timing, difficult parts are challenging in terms of timing, attacks, and releases so when you don't want phasing or timing issues you count, they count in symphonies as well they just do it silently but they are not marching while playing, Cavies are real bad asses, when you completed against them you recognized the Da Da Da right away, in most cases for other corps it translated to we are kicking your ass.
not clean.....silly these guys won. this judge is high
high school book.... and even all over this tape, its dirty as shit....
both Star and Cadets fielded much better lines that year.
I Stomp Conservative Ass I agree. I still to this day don't understand how Cavs took top drums. Don't get me wrong, I like the book but not tops that year for sure.
multibuddhaneo well... my theory is that Cavies were and have been for years, attempting to develop a new type of percussion sound within the activity: very inspired by concert percussion ensemble, with a variety of non traditional elements and sounds... using a lot of syncopated timing exercises in the battery to establish grooves, etc.
They were getting a lot of credit for this "sound"...
they were also the first to really create and innovate the "pod percussion stations" in the pit... instead of pit members scrambling all over a variety of concert percussion instruments... everyone had their own "mini percussion station"... usually a primary keyboard with a secondary keyboard attached, a few cymbals, metallics, toms or bombast, pair of hand cymbals, and other elements.... all attached to a rolling frame....
they were getting a lot of recognition and credit for these innovations that James Campbell and company introduced.
Their front was getting them points more than the battery. Getting rid of the marching cymbals and expanding front players was a wise decision for their needs. (something Star did in 1990)...
+Brian Haag fair enough... its all subjective....
+I Stomp Conservative Ass high shcool? dude, campbell came back from a sabbatical at calarts and dropped the knowledge. you can't hear the tihai in the drum solo? you must be in high school.
You write better beats than Campbell ?
Back when 8 basses meant business.
+ghyprh pffft... not hardly... it was only a gimmick...
now Spirit using 7 basses back in the 70's or 9 basses in 88 and 89... that meant business... Cavies played rinky dink, high school timing exercises.
color guard members were playing and marching those basses and they kicked ass and produced a legendary sound with that solo.