Cardinal George Pell debates Liberal Jesuit on Contraception and Women's Ordination.
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- Cardinal Pell and Fr Bill Uren SJ debate Contraception and Women's Ordination on ABC's Four Corners Program (1993). Australia's Conservative and Liberals Catholic divide exposed for all the world to see on live television.
God bless Cardinal Pell. He spoke in clarity. ❤❤❤
Indeed. The mess of the opposition opinions was very telling.
This was a great Churchman!
Rest in Peace
When he failed to address clergy child abuse?
In review it is striking how clear and simple C. Pells communications were. No elaborate theological posturing or indignant blustering. And yet he also spoke with incredible empathy for even those that sought to attach the Church, the Pope and himself.
What a towering Catholic influence, whose contributions will be valued more as time goes on, and who will be missed
This makes me truly appreciate the uphill battle that Pell and St. John Paul were having to fight. It is easy to criticize St. JPII and people like Cardinal Pell for "not going hard enough" on people who were trying to weaponize Vatican II against its own purposes but as the debate shows, a large majority of Catholics at the time were already on the threshold of leaving. People like St. John Paul, Cardinal Pell, and Pope Benedict truly defended orthodoxy and sacred tradition without losing sight of their pastoral mission.
Blood of martyrs (red or white) is the seed of the Church 🙏🙏🙏
And astounding lost the battle
Well, i married a pretty Irish lass: they had already lost.
I have to say, in charity, that you've been completely mislead. JPII was a total modernist and a wicked heretic. He organized the worship of devils and taught that those belonging to false religions did not need to convert. He was antichrist.
@@ninaluz8710 JPII spat on the tombs of the Martyrs. He organized idolatrous events that missionaries died to convert people away from.
Lmao what. Saint John Paul? Dude was a literal apostate along with ratzinger and Pell, considering they all believed in the heresies of Vatican 2. John Paul was definitely the worst, Assisi.
Elegant discussion-Cardinal Pell was graced with intelligence and clarity. I miss his strength of character. ❤
We all are going to miss this great shepherd of the Church. Oh, yes.
@@paulsuski9724 ‘Shepherd’ But yes, he will be missed. 🕊💗
M T Curtin ...
Yes, you are correct.
Love Cardinal Pell, always admired his fidelity and courage. He paid dearly for it. Modern day martyr. God rest his soul, Cardinal Pell, pray for us.
AMEN.🙏
May Cardinal Pell Rest In Peace with the love of our Lord. Amazing Catholic.
What's the point of becoming a Catholic Priest or nun and then going on national television attacking the church? Pretty sad life to me.
God bless Cardinal Pell. May he rest in peace.
The pill, oh no not the pill,I believe that when women take the pill, this is a form of abortion as it blocks ception and second, why are they taking the pill, so they can go around having g sexual intercourse for pleasure. That doesn't sound like humanity vite rules. Look up "humani vite"
I'm only about 15 minutes into this video and I can now understand why some people said that Cardinal Pell was fighting to keep traditional Catholicism alive from within the heirarchy of the church and the parishioners.
This magnifies why 30 years later in today's toxic and evil climate why the Synod is an absolute ruse.
They know that most Catholics are not even practicing Catholics.
Apparently 70% of Catholics don’t believe in transsubstantiation. This means if there is supposedly say 500 million Catholics in the world, then really there are only 150 million because you can’t be catholic if you don’t believe that. Food for thought. ( Can’t criticise them for doubting though, it’s seems rather unbelievable).
@@petersanders2815 look up a all the Eucharistic miracles from all over the world throughout history and read about them and then think about it again.
Also read carefully John 6:48-71 and notice how many times Jesus tells them firmly they must eat his flesh and drink his blood and then after some of the disciples walked away he did not try to rephrase his statement for any further clarification; he meant what he said literally.
Very true because most so called Catholics are modernist man centred heretics
Neo Catholics since Neo Catholic Viper Vatican II as Cancelled priest USA Father James Altman
bravely exposes now
But Cardinal Pell studied before Modernist Vatican II and was last Traditionalist like Archbishop Lefevre
very happy to see Australia has SSPX chapels but Tragically for past decade as Father David Hewko
who was taught by Bishop Williamson points out
VIPER Vatican II has swallowed them up
So do many young girls and boys apparently! Pervert!
Funny the priest referring to him as George and the “sister” in lay clothes are the main objectors to Pell in the audience. Pretty telling
Ya the Jesuit calls him George too once . Lack of respect from liberals as usual
Joseph van Haren ,
Thank you Church Militant , I watched this program in 1993 , I am so grateful to Cardinal Pell for having always defended the Orthodoxy of the Catholic Tradition of the Catholic Church , in Australia and in Rome . Cardinal Pell will be greatly missed. May God Bless him and reward him richly and may Cardinal Pell intercede for the Church .
The jesuits really need our prayers. How far have they fallen from the community St Ignatius founded. Lord have mercy on us all
We only have to look at our Catholic University, high schools and there move away from Jesus Christ. Jesuits have lead us away from God into self love.
Teach the Scripture not personal preferences aka Jesuits.
Fr Bill Uren the wisest man l know. George did not have his wisdom or intellect. Fr Micael Kelly : loved the way he called George out.
The results are the greatest order and are still the brains and leadership of the church.
Please I pray you can understand this simple fact
@@charleshofman7637 The Church did speak on this issue and I pray you can understand this simple fact. There is a crisis in our church, God bless you. I was shocked at the priests behavior openly dissenting like he is. It strikes me as scandalous bc it is.
Thank you Cardinal Pell - you’re one of the FEW GOOD MEN in the Catholic Church. God grant him eternal rest.
Thank you Church Militant for airing this! God bless 🙏💝
He would have been a good Pope! 😢MAY he rest in peace. Amen
The lawyer is so right on every point!
Spot on Mr Lawyer - so brave and thank God for this ‘advocate of God’s teaching’ Get rid of the infiltrators and bring in the mighty shepherds who teach the truth. God bless this Lawyer for he seems to live by Order which is to mimic Divine Law. 🙏🙏🙏
Paul Brazier. Brilliant. The Australian church owes him hugely May he rest in peace.
@@deogratias273 he dead too?
@@firekoovin3347yes. I know his family. His daughter helped to start a reform Carmelites in the last few years in New South Wales in Methoura.
Cardinal pell God bless you
You do know that he was sentenced for facefucking two young boys?
Amen
He spoke for Truth and he was persecuted for the love of God. Cal Pell when you’re in Heaven pray for us 🙏🙏🙏
Daily reminder that the second suppression of the Jesuit order will be fully justified.
LOVE you Bishop Pell in your STRONG STANCE according to teachings of JESUS CHRIST GOD BLESS
Oh I think it obvious that the poor fella had scant idea of Christian teaching. He probable thought Adam, Noah, Abraham and Jesus were historical figures when no one had from 1800s
Pell is at no time teaching from the gospel of Jesus.
Those in sin will always find easier to spread their sin onto others rather than correct themselves. Sin is like a rotten apple and when you put it with good apples the purpose of the rotten one is to contaminate all of them.
Hope those opposing the teachings of the Church reconsidered their position and may God bless Cardinal Pell for standing firm and calm in the Doctrine of the Church
This reminds me of the bread of life discourse in John 6. When Christ confronts us with the cold hard truth of our faith, many walk away.
'My must we be obsessed with what is sifull?' Because that is what you will be judged on! The lawyer put it perfectly clearly
In Matthew 25:31, Jesus described the last judgment, the separation of sheep and goats, and says that those looked on with favor by the Father fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, cared for the sick, etc. Obviously Jesus condemned adultery and violent anger. But in the final analysis, He cared more for the marginalized. It's in the Gospel. 👌
Pell outclassed Father Urine
I truly appreciate this!! We needed to watch this 30 yrs later to regain courage to stand by church teaching, which are Christs teachings!
Thankyou.
God bless you Cardinal Pell
That lawyer @ 20:06 was great and made a good point as well as the younger woman who spoke before him in favor of orthodoxy and following the encyclical from Pope Paul VI.
The Lawyer and Dr. Catherine Lennon are 100% Spot On! God bless these amazing individuals.
Dr Catherine Lennnon taught us family planning 20 years ago. Her service to the Church is appreciated.
Interesting that they were concerned with overpopulation in 1993 and yet we now see most developed countries are falling below population replacement birth rates.
These folk had grown up in 50s when global fertility rates reached the historical height of 4 1/2 with Club of Rome thesis. But fertility then abruptly declined and is now 2 1/2 (longer term average) and declining.
More interesting this was the era of Queen, and astounding social changes with reducing family violence, the Cold War was over and growing equation opportunities. The World go better and better.
I'm am so pleased this era passed
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Proves they're way off mark and that Christian principles will always prove to be of benefit for mankind.
The broad madness of the audience opinions is a strong case for limiting the influence of the laity. Crazy stuff
The young female medical doctor, talking about natural family planning & risk evaluation on spreading of aids etcetera, was in my opinion, brilliant in a quiet way
Yeah, imagine letting people think for themselves and have an opinion. Criminal!
@@petersanders2815 thinking for oneself is perfectly fine. But to the agitate to change 2000 years of tradition based on one’s very limited knowledge of that tradition and a hand full of feelings is deluded and destructive. Your free to determine that the organisation your in that you find odious isn’t for you and your free to leave.
Yes when Jesus said "feed my sheep" he wasn't kidding.🤣
@@larrypicard8802 the meaning of the ‘sheep’ has been perverted recently to be a derogatory word for people that blindly follow. Jesus used it in a more familial way. Those under the care or, but yes those who are obedient to Him.
It’s part of the whole plan to make people do independent, so disobedient that we goveith what we think us right rather than Gods plan
Which is pretty much the root cause of the fall in the first place.
Cardinal Pell had a lot to deal with there! But I was inspired by how calm he remained. It was super based to see those young women who were defending the Church teaching with statistics and great concise points. It's easy from my perspective to be dismissive of the dissenters, but the fact is they probably made a few small mistakes in reasoning long ago and it snowballed and made it hard for them to change their minds when the Pope reaffirmed the truth.
Well said Cardinal Pell! 👏👏👏 What a great man of God. May he rest in peace.🙏🙏🙏
George has got it right.
Perhaps; but he failed utterly
@@russellmiles2861 Russel, I'm not sure how proclaiming the Gospel in it's fullness and obtaining the loyalty and support of faithful Catholics is to "fail utterly". The Cardinal established a multitude of solid projects. Without him, the Church in Australia would have largely crumbled. May the Lion Rest in Peace.
@@DD-bx8rb largely crumbled: what do you call the average age of Priest at 65, attendance at lowest ever, and within my family and friends I don't know anyone who gives other than lip service to Catholic teaching about sexuality. I'm sure your own children no longer bother with Catholic teaching. It is really all over bar the shouting.
@@DD-bx8rb I appreciate you have your faith and cherish that. I only suggest you look a tad broader. With regard following Jesus: the Good Cardinal had a view but there are many on such matters. Eg, the Hebrew term for God is YHWH which is translated as “I [am]”. That is, it is gender neutral. Jesus from before Nicene was considered to embody Sophia or Lady Winsdom. As Jesus under trinitarian doctrine is also God this is hardly unusual. This, Cardinal Pells belief that Bishops must be men is a cultural view. The Roman Catholic church is entitled to is own practices. But is stretching it to say this is based on Jesus teaching. He was wrong in this regard. His life may have been better if he was able to accept others had their perspective. I found it sad that Cardinal Pell seem to be confused about so much of Christian teaching. This clearly caused him distressed till the end of his life. I guess now he finally knows peace
@@russellmiles2861 Wow, you assume things about the faith of my children? You do yourself a diservice.
This is not a question of conservative versus liberal. This is about moral versus immoral, right versus wrong. What a disgrace for Catholics to be rebellious in this type of matter about the moral teaching of the Church. I see modernist argument existed way back and it is the same argument they use today, that is, environment, overpopulation, etc.
Contraception is not immoral
God bless you Pell and may you rest in peace ❤️
Eternal rest grant unto Cardinal Pell, Oh Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him. May his soul and all the souls of the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen. What a mighty crusader against modernism we had in Cardinal Pell.
Cardinal Pell showed true humility. I don'y know how he remains so calm. I was getting pissed off just watching this 🤣
I see the Jesuits have not changed.Church Militant did well to find this old video and put it up for viewing.We will all miss Cardinal Pell he was as solid as a rock.
Rip Cardinal Pell. Pray for us. Thank you CM. You can see the seeds that have lead us to where we are.
The Jesuit priests seem so smug and contemptuous.
You simply defined what a Jesuit is.
Cardinal Pell’s defense of God’s teaching was consistent and unrelenting. Surely God said to him at his death,”Welcome my beloved son in whom I am well pleased.”
There was a”bit of the night “ about him
Yeah God probably added thanks for insisting that women become pregnant through lack of education and helping the scourge of HIV to spread throughout the world because I clearly told my Son in Iron Age Palestine that whenever medical science improves to allow people to make sound reproductive choices then please stand against this progress.
Cardinal Pell spoke scripture. And church teaching and didn’t let emotion or ideas sway him. He also did show compassion
Never underestimate the wisdom of the church
Great soul. The truth is never subjective. May you rest in perfect peace.
Wow Cardinal pell was so patient here. Good job! Those other people, sigh
The zeal of Cardinal Pell, lawyer Paul Brazier, Dr Catherine Lennon and Fr James Murray were on display :) Thank God for their faithful words.
Nothing has changed I see. Same arguments. Truth always wins!
@ 22:00 The Lawyer who called for the Church to remove dissenters was right.
back in the days where people on both sides actually debated
Yes, the GayBC learnt that open forums like these were harmful to their agenda. Their dictatorship of journalism is much tighter now. May the Lion rest in peace.
@@DD-bx8rb dictatorship of journalism like the censorship the church practiced for centuries? 🤣
Cardinal Pell pray for us
May Cardinal Pell rest in eternal peace. He was such a great defender of the faith and stood up peacefully and firmly for the truth
This is a timely reminder, an excellent reminder in fact. The jesuit priest's convoluted arguments here indicate the extent of the "misunderstanding"
Sophistry must have been an invention of the devil.
May God bless you, Cardinal Pell. Rest in peace. Best regards from Indonesia.
Cardinal Pell,peace with him was a true voice.Thank you.
If you don't like Catholic Laws LEAVE! Become a protestant.
So what the professor is saying is that because Jesus’ teachings are too hard to follow and therefore the teachings should be changed to comply with the morals of society. The Old Testament is filled with examples of what happens when a people depart from the teaching of God.
Tens of thousands are doing exactly that and now the clergy is complaining about people leaving!
It’s so sad that the attacks come from the ones that are in charge of defending our faith and the inmutable teachings of the Catholic Church.
Although this was several years ago, it does still withstand today, and really until the last day. Satan is a “tempter” as he has from the beginning. The men and women who think Catholic doctrine has to be with the modern times are being tempted by the same who tempted Eve and think, “yes, we should be allowed to eat from the forbidden tree”. And precisely this is why Pope Paul VI and Pope St. John Paul wrote those documents. To let us know that the Church and its members are being tempted. And of course, we do have freewill, but to unite our will to God’s is to protect ourselves and ultimately our conscience from temptation. God bless!
This was a couple of generations ago: 1980s. Look at the hair styles
@@russellmiles2861 yes. But today we are living exactly what Cardinal Pell and Paul IV document prophesied.
@@atgred oh, life is much better today. The Good Cardinal was worried over nothing.
God bless our priests and religious.
Amen 🙏
Wow! That Indian priest just challenged his own bishop and back talked him in front of a public forum… so much for your vow of obedience…
Christians are to live according to the Teachings of Jesus Christ, we live by the Law. We do not change Commandments and Sacraments to fit our ‘wayward’ lives. Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, have mercy on us, sinners. Pray for the conversion of poor sinners 🙏🙏🙏
Look at the world right now and tell me who was right on this issue
I was thinking the same thing. Society is moving from abortion to assisted death. A culture of death was already forming when this video was recorded
Good thing the developed countries have low birth rates. They need immigrants from the underdeveloped and undereducated countries that are overpopulating themselves into famine. And when the refugees arrive, in a generation or two they too start limiting their families. Hurray for secular culture and contraception!
When people put their convenience and their personal belief above the unbendable truth of Christ's teaching. As Cardinal Pell have held .. there is no compromise
@18:00 It was interesting to see Peter Singer, a man who aggressively advocates for various forms of eugenics, in this video.
He is evil
Who will replace Cardinal Pell in our time?
I'm sure they'll find another diddler pretty easily.
@@edbee8508 You do yourself a diservice by your comment
RIP GEORGE CARDINAL PELL. THANK YOU FOR SERVICE TO THE CHURCH
Bishops have a higher authority than presbyters and laity. They should have respected him and not used the media arm of their liberal government to ridicule him, knowing they will not face repercussions. The priests and laity were on the side of secularism this day. God bless Cardinal Pell.
That indignant lawyer was spot on.
It is depressing to see Catholics so brazenly and publicly disown the teaching authority of the Church (which is really a loss of faith, in the last analysis). This is different from merely having a difficultly understanding or living a doctrine but the faith is really that the Church has this authority from Christ, so we believe even if we find certain areas difficult to understand ('a thousand difficulties don't equal a doubt', as Newman said). This is also quite distinct from the present situation, in which there are learned and faithful theologians who are genuinely concerned that the present occupant of the Chair is teaching things in disharmony with the constant teaching (not getting into that here, but there are some who would place these people and Dr Feser, for example, in the same place, when anyone can see the difference). Contraception is a prime example of why Christ gave us a living magisterium, able to address new realities and situation and apply to them with certitude the teaching of Christ. Barrier contraception was clearly condemned from the story of Onan, so there was never really a question about it. With the invention of hormonal contraception, however, theologians wondered if this came under the same condemnation. It was a reasonable question and needed the authoritative voice of the Church. Well, Rome spoke, the case is finished!
God help us! The world has lost such a courageous, clear, and caring Australian intellectual . We will miss him in Ireland
R.I.P. Cardinal Pell
Thanks be to God for Cardinal Pell, for the good priest and the women and man who stood by the Church's teaching. They did not budge like the unfaithful Jesuits and silly dissenting women and men.
A response to the misguided religious sister at 14:35 who said the language of Humanae Vitae is "not inclusive" and that women are supposedly not named or included:
The word "woman" (Latin "mulier") is used 3 times (Paras. 2, 12 - 13), and "women" (Latin "mulieres") is used twice in the Latin original (Paras. 14 & 17). Also, the word "homines" is used many times in the encyclical and can be used of just men, but also, of both men and women combined. Sister Anne Hall simply doesn't know what she's talking about.
Four Corners went from this fair and informed debate about a papal encyclical to slandering George Pell as a malicious predator. How sad.
did the “ sister” say overpopulation? o Lord, come!
Two things: first, don't you wish television debate and interviewing now was as thoughtful and polished as this? Almost everyone was able to state a case eloquently, without the rhetoric discourtesy you hear today. Second, how I wish Cardinal Pell were still here: as another viewer said, "he was as solid as a rock", and every time during this interview he was able to cut through emotional opposition to lift out fundamentals. God rest his brave soul.
And who knows, he may be raised to the altar some day (incidentally, Im from Uganda 🇺🇬 which is cited in the discussion and is blown away by the steadiness and clarity Cardinal Pell exhibits)
Notice how when the liberal theologians said obviously inflammatory or wrong things, those who follow Christ's teachings listened respectfully and responded in turn. However, when the conservative voice made any claim at all there was hissing and fake outrage from those against them. Cardinal Pell and those Catholics were truly brave and acted with dignity all the rest were only after what they wanted.
Jesus instituted the Papacy. He came into the world a humble little baby And he taught so that we may follow Him into His Father’s Kingdom. These dissidents don’t agree with His laws (free will) but they want to change His Teaching to suit their lifestyle &/or ideology. They “want their cake and eat it too” it seems that they’re fighting to be recognised as Christians but they won’t accept His Commandments and Sacraments. Our Lord will return as a just Judge. Repent and be saved. 🙏God bless 🙏🙏🙏
Cardinal Pell was a boss
He needed to be reminded he wasn’t Cardinal Spellman ;)
Rest in peace Cardinal.
Follow the commandments.
Wow this is amazing. God bless him and his uphill battle
10:50 Child: "What is genuine Catholic teaching?" Liberal Catholics: "It's a discussion between you and your culture, which is how God speaks to you. Don't worry about what some bishop says."
God bless our good and holy George Cardinal Pell. Clearly wolves in sheep’s clothing have not just extended to the end of the Cardinal’s life. But Oh what dignity, clarity, respect and truth his eminence conducted himself. He knew God was with him🙏✝️🕊RIP your eminence George Cardinal Pell 🙏✝️
Follow God's commandments.. after all.. we will be the ones to face Our eternal judge Jesus Christ on the afterlife.. cardinal Pell is just doing his job of leading his flock to the royal road to heaven...
I wish these debates still happened today.
Eternal rest grant unto him oh Lord ,and let Your perpetual light shine upon him
...God rest Cardinal Pell....The Jesuits need to be excommunicated from the church....Lord ,save them...
This debate aged well for one side and not so well for the other
It’s incredible is it. The best endeavours of those who want to do what ever they want to, come across as muddled as they appeared to all here.
Pell and the Church have played it straight all the bay along and stand today as the moral handrail
Truth triumphs.
I am finding it hard to understand why is everyone up in arms about contraception……..didn’t God in the Old Testament say “be fruitful and multiply”?.
After 30 years God gives us what we have been asking since so long: confusion. This is the price for not having listened to good pastors as John Paul II, card. Pell, Benedict XVI and other voices sent to us. "He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" Thank you card. Pell, rest in peace.
We must follow our conscience but we must first firm our conscience on what the Church teaches.
Lol, atheistic philosopher, Peter Singer, is present at this discussion!
The Jesuit priest in the audience is extremely arrogant.
Over population is such a crap argument.
One of Catholicism's most distinguished clerics, Cardinal Newman , said , " conscience is sovereign ".
To those who oppose the Church in matters of sexual morality, the Church reminds us that the ends do not justify the means, that the physical order cannot restore the moral order, and that compassion cannot gainsay truth.
*1 Timothy 3:15* “…that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the House of God, which is the *Church* of the Living God, the *Pillar* and *Ground* of the Truth.”
I had forgotten what it was like when adults existed.
30 years on, and very revelatory. Interesting how the sheep of the 90s sounded almost indistinguishable from the sheep of the 60s. Really seems like it wasn't until the early 00's that things started to turn around. Still an uphill battle and the side with history and fact on their side is still grossly outnumbered by the 'but I want to do it my way' crowd, but Truth reasserts itself, one way or another.
Fast forward to 2023: Are the women in this audience also satisfied with the effects contraception has had on women who took, eg., the birth control pill? Infertilities, cancers, etc..
In 1993 I was as ignorant of the teachings of the Church as many in this audience were. In 2023 I agree with everything Cardinal Pell said.
This was not a debate, it was a 'get Cardinal Pell' opportunity. Especially that Jesuit 'friend' in the front row who insisted on calling Cardinal Pell, George.
This proves where the Jesuits were coming from and where they ended up today.
The Catholic Church wants women to have babies every nine months regardless of the mothers health or if she can feed those children. They regard women as little better than brood mares.
Bishop George Pell is very gentile, articulate and persuasive although I personally don’t believe a word that he says. I am confused whether he was convicted of sexual assault or not. If this involved a single complaint then I am not yet convinced that he is a sexual pervert. If this involved multiple complaints from multiple people, then that really increases the chance that he did the wrong thing. We must not convict him unfairly. Anyway, I think that preventing contraception harms women because women are not in the driver’s seat of life. Also no contraception really penalizes poorer families. Contraception does NOT increase infidelity or early sex despite what the clergy say. When contraception is allowed, teenage pregnancy rates and pregnancy terminations really occur much less. There are dramatically less abortions. The Church needs women to be intimately involved in the priesthood and even up to becoming Cardinals. Christianity is fading in the western word. Only immigration keeps the Catholic Church from disappearing right now. The children and grandchildren of the Catholic and Muslim immigrants will ignore the Catholic Church and ignore the Muslim religion. Religion will be a small part of our society in the near future. Religion should not be forced on children in early school.
RS. Canada
the Jesuits like the Germans , have theorized theology to such an extent as to bend it into and out of shape getting things improved only to disprove them all over once again. the Lord said time and again that unless we become as these little children we would not enter his kingdom and in thinking ourselves as above our station we guarantee our absence from any station in the heavenly beatific vision with all those angels and saints.
Jesuits... so much damage... and now Francis...
“ Flying in the face of the collective wisdom of the church“… seriously? Who honestly believes that?
Wow Pell had some demons to deal with.
Rest in Peace Cardinal Pell