Thank you so very much for clear exegesis on this matter. As a woman, I'm grateful for our Lord's perfect order of male and female. Submission, rightly understood as taught from Genesis onward, is a precious gift and not burdensome!
For the love of money is a root of ALL KINDS of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 TIMOTHY 6:10
If God said it I don't know why Christians would have a problem with it. What is so important to us that we should allow it to muddy what God says? I am a woman. I was saved. I wanted to preach as many of the preachers at where I assembled were women. I read it was wrong in the bible. I ask my local gathering body (where God saved me at) about it. I both gave up my desire to preach and my first gathering place. Because the Bible said one thing plainly and they taught another. Before being saved I liked doing what I wanted. When God saved me I liked doing what He wanted. And I wanted, truly desired, like in a way I cannot explain, wanted Him to slay anything in me that desired something scripure spoke against. Why this didn't happen to everybody God saved, I don't know. Why would any Christian be offended by God's rule and way for us? Why would we take simple text and complicate it to have different meanings than what it plainly says? If we don't want to submit to the plain text of instructions for the people in the body why not just walk away and get a different book one that plainly says what they want rather than twisting this Holy Bible to what they want? It doesn't make sense to me. Walking in obedience to the instructions is hard but agreeing with the instructions should be easy.
@NicoCoco I wonder if so many people I know really aren't saved. I know some specifically aren't as they have trampled the cross. One for flesh and another for this world. I always suspected things as the one who walked away to pursue flesh treated church gathering and Bible reading like the least desired chore always and for years. The one that left for this world was so prideful and also always pointed to text they disagreed with as "They don't see it that way". I struggled in relationships with both of them. They both cut me off for being "too preachy" or "judgemental". My heart breaks for them as they both left all things concerning Christ altogether since then. I actually tried to stop being what they disliked but then I felt like I was agreeing with things that were wrong and wind up speaking up. Which was always scary for me. But there are so many others like the prideful friend who chose the world that remind me of them but in much more subtle ways.
@Sage of Synergism Priscilla did not take the position of a Pastor. I work with Christian brothers. I would show them something in scripture in correction. I am not starting a Bible study nor did Priscilla. And she was with her husband. It was a discussion between three people. Sharing the gospel is Not being a Pastor, preacher, elder or putting a person in place of submission to you. It's not the same thing. If it is true that women are not to be preachers would you be okay with that? Or must the God you worship meet your standards?
Ironically people get so weird when it comes to the bible. The twisting of it to fit into their traditions is mind blowing. I see it in both catholic and protestant circles. From my experience it's the one book that so many can read a clear passage...and still say "nope it doesn't mean that" especially because it may sound too catholic or too protestant. My response... " Who cares, if it is what the text says, it is what the text says, get over it." I agree that there are things that can be difficult to understand, and can be subject to interpretation, but the gospel is beyond clear. How to be save is beyond clear. What Paul says about the roles of men and women is beyond clear. The bible couldn't be more clear on the true nature of marriage, or who God is and His sovereignty. Over the years I have grown incredibly tired of people's quibbles over the bible, that for the most part that I ignore people's whining and bickering over it. The woke, the liberals, and all the liberal theology in both Catholicism and protestantism is utter garbage. Most churches are filled with garbage theology that can be so easily dismantled by the plain reading of scripture, or church fathers. Of course scripture triumphs over all other authorities.
Totally follow your logic here, but am still puzzled at how these women Paul is commanding to "be in silence" can pray and prophecy in church (I Cor. 11:17-18 seems to be pointing to church gatherings and :5 seems to suggests she may pray or prophecy if her head is covered).
Thanks for this very factual analysis of 1 Timothy 2 from your perspective, James. I was looking for something on the claims that 1 and 2 Timothy are forgeries. Do you have any videos on that?
Thank you, James, for being Biblically correct, and politically incorrect on this matter. Many wrongfully limit the Scriptures to only forbidding women from being Elders or Pastors, but that Scriptures also forbid women to teach or exercise authority over men. Which would include the leading of worship service (or the liturgy), Bible studies, street preaching, and conferences.
Could anyone @ me the software Dr. White uses in his subscreen display? Curious about the highlighting abilities, seems to show precisely where each word is translated to.
@@roberttrevino62800 cheers brother! Ill give those a look. Working through my MDiv and would love a strong tool like this as I embark upon the Greek leg of my journey.
@@bassistguy13 Awesome! I pray one day the Lord allows me to go to Seminary. For now, I am a self study and I am teaching myself Koine Greek through different resources.
This isn't an attempt at contention. I truly want clarity. I have heard the beginning of this taught that the pearls, etc. means not to "only" decorate in this way, but also to add beauty of character. So is it don't be ornate? Or don't only be ornate?
Bless you James for your wonderful ministry. Keeping people like me sane in a world of hopelessly poor hermeneutics. As for the person below who claims all charismatic churches handle God’s Word well - I’m assuming that was a joke, right?
So in summary the text is not clear as many make out, but because in the modern western world churches who ordained women later embraced the the unholy diversity and inclusion movement in a large percentage…we should therefore interpret the historical text as restricting women authority. Is this not setting us up to criticism that modern cultural is influencing our biblical understanding rather than scripture. There are conservative Christian groups who ordain women yet still fight to maintain God’s holiness by rejecting liberal progressive teachings…the slippery slope reasoning this video ended on feels very weak summary reasoning from such a great overall teacher. Is it really that bad to say the scriptural case for prohibiting women teaching is not as strong as we once thought?
I would love to ask this " How about parachurch organisations ,where they independently call themselves a movement not a church,are women allowed to be preachers ,cell leaders ,Bible study leaders and so forth? Pls pls I need your help ,you the people of God
"Not like that Jewish house. For it is this that maintains the faith and the preaching of the Word. For the truth is the pillar and the ground of the Church." - Saint John Chrysostom on 1 Timothy 3:15. Clearly not what Catholics or Orthodox mean when we misquote this to support Ecclesiological Primacy. Our first and foremost Biblical commentator says that Truth, as the pillar of the Church is where the Faith is Kept and the Word preached... going to have to think about this one DEEPLY.
The issue with looking at all these things as pertaining to church services, is i dont know of any tradition that practices delivering babies in the middle of service... seems to me Paul is correcting something specific (false teachings, women domineering), providing something general (proper hisband-wife order), and speaking against gender-sterotypes (men raging and women being uneducated)
James fails to acknowledge that the entire letter is dealing with false teachers in the church...and the women they had led astray. Context matters...and he doesnt acknowledge at all.
You are not getting it. Yes, the main thrust of the letter is to warn against false teachers and contend for the truth. However, chapter 2 is specifically dealing with the roles of men and women in the church. There is even some evidence in the letter and from history itself women in this church were actually trying to take positions of authority. Hence Paul referencing Adam being created first as the head and Eve being deceived by the Serpent for ignoring that headship. So not only where woman not allowed to take authority over the men as described in 1 Timothy 2, if they did so they were much more likely to introduce false teaching into the church.
every time i hear or read the woman was deceived. i think and #1 the man was not, he knew better, Adam heard from god. the woman had heard from Adam who was right next to her!! #2. if a woman should not teach scripture why did Paul commend Lois and Eunice who taught Timothy? they were women. #3. The word of God came to Huldah who spoke Gods word to the high priest, and other officials in Huldah 2 Kings 22 :14-20 Josiah sent them to her. #4 if women should not have authority or teach men why is it the only time the Mosaic law was changed was because of the daughters of Zalaphed in Numbers 27. #5 Jesus did not mind having women be the first to announce he was risen from the dead,..i could speak of Abigail, the woman of the well, the woman who will be remember forever because she wiped the lords feet with her tears, the begging woman who had great faith to eat the crumbs from the table of the jews. women not speaking or teaching men is not consistant with the rest of scripture.
Translation is not interpretation. God bless all my brothers and sisters in Christ, bad times are coming up on this country. Bad times. That's my interpretation
Dr. White is known for exegesis, going from the original language. With Roman Catholic apologists, I have yet to come across one who sees the importance of exegesis or original language.
Thank you so very much for clear exegesis on this matter. As a woman, I'm grateful for our Lord's perfect order of male and female. Submission, rightly understood as taught from Genesis onward, is a precious gift and not burdensome!
For the love of money is a root of ALL KINDS of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
1 TIMOTHY 6:10
If God said it I don't know why Christians would have a problem with it. What is so important to us that we should allow it to muddy what God says? I am a woman. I was saved. I wanted to preach as many of the preachers at where I assembled were women. I read it was wrong in the bible. I ask my local gathering body (where God saved me at) about it. I both gave up my desire to preach and my first gathering place. Because the Bible said one thing plainly and they taught another. Before being saved I liked doing what I wanted. When God saved me I liked doing what He wanted. And I wanted, truly desired, like in a way I cannot explain, wanted Him to slay anything in me that desired something scripure spoke against. Why this didn't happen to everybody God saved, I don't know. Why would any Christian be offended by God's rule and way for us? Why would we take simple text and complicate it to have different meanings than what it plainly says? If we don't want to submit to the plain text of instructions for the people in the body why not just walk away and get a different book one that plainly says what they want rather than twisting this Holy Bible to what they want? It doesn't make sense to me. Walking in obedience to the instructions is hard but agreeing with the instructions should be easy.
@NicoCoco I wonder if so many people I know really aren't saved. I know some specifically aren't as they have trampled the cross. One for flesh and another for this world. I always suspected things as the one who walked away to pursue flesh treated church gathering and Bible reading like the least desired chore always and for years. The one that left for this world was so prideful and also always pointed to text they disagreed with as "They don't see it that way". I struggled in relationships with both of them. They both cut me off for being "too preachy" or "judgemental". My heart breaks for them as they both left all things concerning Christ altogether since then. I actually tried to stop being what they disliked but then I felt like I was agreeing with things that were wrong and wind up speaking up. Which was always scary for me. But there are so many others like the prideful friend who chose the world that remind me of them but in much more subtle ways.
@Sage of Synergism Priscilla did not take the position of a Pastor. I work with Christian brothers. I would show them something in scripture in correction. I am not starting a Bible study nor did Priscilla. And she was with her husband. It was a discussion between three people. Sharing the gospel is Not being a Pastor, preacher, elder or putting a person in place of submission to you. It's not the same thing.
If it is true that women are not to be preachers would you be okay with that? Or must the God you worship meet your standards?
Ironically people get so weird when it comes to the bible. The twisting of it to fit into their traditions is mind blowing. I see it in both catholic and protestant circles. From my experience it's the one book that so many can read a clear passage...and still say "nope it doesn't mean that" especially because it may sound too catholic or too protestant. My response... " Who cares, if it is what the text says, it is what the text says, get over it." I agree that there are things that can be difficult to understand, and can be subject to interpretation, but the gospel is beyond clear. How to be save is beyond clear. What Paul says about the roles of men and women is beyond clear. The bible couldn't be more clear on the true nature of marriage, or who God is and His sovereignty. Over the years I have grown incredibly tired of people's quibbles over the bible, that for the most part that I ignore people's whining and bickering over it. The woke, the liberals, and all the liberal theology in both Catholicism and protestantism is utter garbage. Most churches are filled with garbage theology that can be so easily dismantled by the plain reading of scripture, or church fathers. Of course scripture triumphs over all other authorities.
@NicoCoco thank you for your encouragement family. See you one day when we stand together worshipping at the throne.
@@leeenk6932 well said and true fam.
Totally follow your logic here, but am still puzzled at how these women Paul is commanding to "be in silence" can pray and prophecy in church (I Cor. 11:17-18 seems to be pointing to church gatherings and :5 seems to suggests she may pray or prophecy if her head is covered).
Along with others I see that as an exception that does not negate the rule.
Our postmodern Christianity won't like this very much Pastor James. 😅😎🔥🔥🔥
Excellent exposition. As always. Thanks.
Thanks for this very factual analysis of 1 Timothy 2 from your perspective, James. I was looking for something on the claims that 1 and 2 Timothy are forgeries. Do you have any videos on that?
Thank you, James, for being Biblically correct, and politically incorrect on this matter. Many wrongfully limit the Scriptures to only forbidding women from being Elders or Pastors, but that Scriptures also forbid women to teach or exercise authority over men. Which would include the leading of worship service (or the liturgy), Bible studies, street preaching, and conferences.
Could anyone @ me the software Dr. White uses in his subscreen display? Curious about the highlighting abilities, seems to show precisely where each word is translated to.
i think he is using either Logos or Strongs .... Accordance is good too
@@roberttrevino62800 cheers brother! Ill give those a look. Working through my MDiv and would love a strong tool like this as I embark upon the Greek leg of my journey.
@@bassistguy13 Awesome!
I pray one day the Lord allows me to go to Seminary. For now, I am a self study and I am teaching myself Koine Greek through different resources.
This isn't an attempt at contention. I truly want clarity. I have heard the beginning of this taught that the pearls, etc. means not to "only" decorate in this way, but also to add beauty of character. So is it don't be ornate? Or don't only be ornate?
Bless you James for your wonderful ministry. Keeping people like me sane in a world of hopelessly poor hermeneutics. As for the person below who claims all charismatic churches handle God’s Word well - I’m assuming that was a joke, right?
So in summary the text is not clear as many make out, but because in the modern western world churches who ordained women later embraced the the unholy diversity and inclusion movement in a large percentage…we should therefore interpret the historical text as restricting women authority. Is this not setting us up to criticism that modern cultural is influencing our biblical understanding rather than scripture. There are conservative Christian groups who ordain women yet still fight to maintain God’s holiness by rejecting liberal progressive teachings…the slippery slope reasoning this video ended on feels very weak summary reasoning from such a great overall teacher. Is it really that bad to say the scriptural case for prohibiting women teaching is not as strong as we once thought?
I would love to ask this " How about parachurch organisations ,where they independently call themselves a movement not a church,are women allowed to be preachers ,cell leaders ,Bible study leaders and so forth? Pls pls I need your help ,you the people of God
So if in other text women are not retrieved will then ask.
"Not like that Jewish house. For it is this that maintains the faith and the preaching of the Word. For the truth is the pillar and the ground of the Church." - Saint John Chrysostom on 1 Timothy 3:15. Clearly not what Catholics or Orthodox mean when we misquote this to support Ecclesiological Primacy. Our first and foremost Biblical commentator says that Truth, as the pillar of the Church is where the Faith is Kept and the Word preached... going to have to think about this one DEEPLY.
The issue with looking at all these things as pertaining to church services, is i dont know of any tradition that practices delivering babies in the middle of service... seems to me Paul is correcting something specific (false teachings, women domineering), providing something general (proper hisband-wife order), and speaking against gender-sterotypes (men raging and women being uneducated)
So the man was not in the transgression?
Seems to verse 11-15 of 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is dealing with relationship of husband and wife. Paul was saying wives to to be control their husbands.
Doesn't say "household of God" ANYWHERE, Mr. White.
This is spot on sadly
Sadly?
Maranatha may Yahweh be glorified.
James fails to acknowledge that the entire letter is dealing with false teachers in the church...and the women they had led astray. Context matters...and he doesnt acknowledge at all.
You are not getting it. Yes, the main thrust of the letter is to warn against false teachers and contend for the truth.
However, chapter 2 is specifically dealing with the roles of men and women in the church. There is even some evidence in the letter and from history itself women in this church were actually trying to take positions of authority. Hence Paul referencing Adam being created first as the head and Eve being deceived by the Serpent for ignoring that headship.
So not only where woman not allowed to take authority over the men as described in 1 Timothy 2, if they did so they were much more likely to introduce false teaching into the church.
Isn't this one of the very same chapters you use to defend the heresy of limited atonement? Yeah. Nah.
You believe it's heretical?
every time i hear or read the woman was deceived. i think and #1 the man was not, he knew better, Adam heard from god. the woman had heard from Adam who was right next to her!! #2. if a woman should not teach scripture why did Paul commend Lois and Eunice who taught Timothy? they were women. #3. The word of God came to Huldah who spoke Gods word to the high priest, and other officials in Huldah 2 Kings 22 :14-20 Josiah sent them to her. #4 if women should not have authority or teach men why is it the only time the Mosaic law was changed was because of the daughters of Zalaphed in Numbers 27. #5 Jesus did not mind having women be the first to announce he was risen from the dead,..i could speak of Abigail, the woman of the well, the woman who will be remember forever because she wiped the lords feet with her tears, the begging woman who had great faith to eat the crumbs from the table of the jews. women not speaking or teaching men is not consistant with the rest of scripture.
Translation is not interpretation. God bless all my brothers and sisters in Christ, bad times are coming up on this country. Bad times. That's my interpretation
The United Church of Canada went "affirming" in the 70s.
First
That`s your interpretation!
So, what part of the English language do you not understand?
It's perfectly written therefore, it should be perfectly understood.
@@linda2468lou It is not the language, but your reading through the lenses of your protestant denomination, and there are thousands of denominations.
He didn't interpret it. He read it Its clear. Period.
Catholics and context? Forget about it
Dr. White is known for exegesis, going from the original language. With Roman Catholic apologists, I have yet to come across one who sees the importance of exegesis or original language.