This is a great tool. We have multiple units and replace the electric router with pneumatic one. This machine is everything they say it is. We use the air clamp system and have made countless numbers of mortise and tenon joints for our chairs. simple, fast and accurate for angles on chair parts. once setup for production run you will be faster than cnc. you can put tenon on ends of board in a few seconds each. We will be ordering another unit soon.
What benefits do you gain from your conversion to a pneumatic router please. I’m considering a similar option, as I use a pneumatic setup on my CNC. The issues that I am having difficulty overcoming are, mounting the unit to the multi router, also controlling dust collection. The exhaust from pneumatic tools spreads the dust and chippings everywhere.
Jeff…I look forward to future videos of capabilities. Good job on this one. The old Ben Covington videos didn’t discuss tips and tricks like this one. I used the spacer method you described for setting tenon centering. I actually used my old feeler gauge since I rarely mill stock to exact imperial dimensions. I’ve only bought one set of tenon templates so far…just dipping my toe in the water to see how well they work. It works very well. Thanks again.
Many years ago, in the '80's, I was at a woodworking show and saw a man by the name of Strong who manufactured a machine similar to this. It was very crude compared to this, with the only moving part being the where the router is attached. One turn, controlled by sprocket and chain, equaled 1", and it was quite accurate. For the tenon you used a miter gauge, and for the mortise you plunged the material into the bit. Not really all that safe, but it worked. You always referenced off the bottom. For a 5/16" mortise I would roughly find the center of the stock and cut the mortise. Then make 5 revolutions down and cut the bottom of the tenon, and 10 revolutions up to cut the top of the tenon. Since you're always referencing off one face a slight variation in stock thickness didn't matter all that much since it would be on back side. The machine was built like a tank and lasted years with many mortise and tenon joints made.
After reviewing both this and the Pantorouter, both accomplish similar results but approach the machining in a somewhat different fashion. I guess you could compare their differences much like that of a sliding compound miter saw to that of a radial arm saw. After comparison though, it seems like the Pantorouter, for at least the instances where templates are used, allows tweaking of the fit because of the tapered patterns that are offered, which allows for a honed fit. I see where this would allow me to better determine how much glue would be left in the joint after assembly. And since I don't know how long templates will last after considerable use, I could only speculate the aluminum templates uswd by the Multi Router might last longer than the plastic ones. However, for those hobbiest woodworkers, the Multi Router is almost 50% more than the Pantorouter and the templates are quite a but more expensive too.
Great Jeff. I did not know Woodpeckers owns it now. Wow! With the genius's in Woodpeckers; I can already see a lot of great features; you have done with this machine. Awesome. Gotta question Jeff...For years I have tried to remember; what the opposite is of "Climb Cutting". Please, tell me what it is, kind Sir. Because I think I was taught that years ago. But maybe not at age 90 LOL. Thanks again.
I have to agree with other comments that this is a truly wonderful, beautifully designed and constructed machine. However, even at the sale price of $2799, when one adds the stand, and 7 different templates, shipping and tax, the total cost is about $3709. At least for me, there is no way in the world that I could justify spending nearly $4000 for a piece of equipment that does a job I can do now with my current equipment but not nearly as easily or as well. I guess if I had a production shop that used joinery every day it would be somewhat different. So, all I can really do is dream. I also note that Woodpeckers does not offer free shipping, even on a machine this expensive, which is really disturbing and unfortunate.
The price of the machine hasn’t changed much since it came on the market 30+ years ago, if anything it’s cheaper now compared to the worth of a dollar.
@@louieatienza8762 A standard CNC is not very suitable for this kind of joinery. You are definitely faster with this one from Woodpeckers or with the Pantorouter.
While they both use a horizontal router, they're quite different approaches. The Multi-Router has three-axis linear control. The PantoRouter relies completely on its template system for control of "up-down" and "right-left". And, in case you were wondering, the Multi-Router pre-dates the PantoRouter by more than 20 years.
3-axis linear motion. Each direction of motion on the Multi-Router is always under control, template or no template. Check out the weight of each system, too.
This one came first, it’s made from castings. As Jeff mentioned you can lock out individual axis with this setup. With the MR the table moves in 2 axis, the router moves in one (vertical). With the PR the table is fixed the router moves you can only lock out axis with a template.
I guess it works ok. But why is he using the antiquated Imperial system?? What is all this 3/8 of an "inch"..??? I might consider this machine - but only when its in metric mode...!!!
The MultiRouter is much older than the Panto Router. And they are completely different approaches to achieve similar results. Having owned and used an original JDS Multi-Router for nearly 30 years, I found the Multi Router is "built like a tank" yet offering near laser precision when paired with a digital readout.
@@marcelleblanc9505, just because you aren't familiar with something doesn't mean it isn't true. I first saw the tool on David Marks' TV show "Woodworks" in the early 2000s. Here is a video of Marks' shop in 2009 where he shows the Multi-Router starting at about 20:59. th-cam.com/video/Ch8SFQJsR2E/w-d-xo.html. The intellectual property and corresponding tooling of various equipment is often sold between parties. This is what has happened in this case - Woodpeckers has bought assets related to the manufacture of this product and are now producing it instead of whoever was producing it before.
This is a great tool. We have multiple units and replace the electric router with pneumatic one. This machine is everything they say it is. We use the air clamp system and have made countless numbers of mortise and tenon joints for our chairs. simple, fast and accurate for angles on chair parts. once setup for production run you will be faster than cnc. you can put tenon on ends of board in a few seconds each. We will be ordering another unit soon.
What benefits do you gain from your conversion to a pneumatic router please.
I’m considering a similar option, as I use a pneumatic setup on my CNC.
The issues that I am having difficulty overcoming are, mounting the unit to the multi router, also controlling dust collection. The exhaust from pneumatic tools spreads the dust and chippings everywhere.
Jeff…I look forward to future videos of capabilities. Good job on this one. The old Ben Covington videos didn’t discuss tips and tricks like this one. I used the spacer method you described for setting tenon centering. I actually used my old feeler gauge since I rarely mill stock to exact imperial dimensions. I’ve only bought one set of tenon templates so far…just dipping my toe in the water to see how well they work. It works very well. Thanks again.
Why are you not doing more videos like the pantorouter to show utility and benefit?
Many years ago, in the '80's, I was at a woodworking show and saw a man by the name of Strong who manufactured a machine similar to this. It was very crude compared to this, with the only moving part being the where the router is attached. One turn, controlled by sprocket and chain, equaled 1", and it was quite accurate. For the tenon you used a miter gauge, and for the mortise you plunged the material into the bit. Not really all that safe, but it worked. You always referenced off the bottom. For a 5/16" mortise I would roughly find the center of the stock and cut the mortise. Then make 5 revolutions down and cut the bottom of the tenon, and 10 revolutions up to cut the top of the tenon. Since you're always referencing off one face a slight variation in stock thickness didn't matter all that much since it would be on back side. The machine was built like a tank and lasted years with many mortise and tenon joints made.
These are amazing machines. If I could justify it to my wife I would have one on order.
great tool! 🙌
After reviewing both this and the Pantorouter, both accomplish similar results but approach the machining in a somewhat different fashion. I guess you could compare their differences much like that of a sliding compound miter saw to that of a radial arm saw. After comparison though, it seems like the Pantorouter, for at least the instances where templates are used, allows tweaking of the fit because of the tapered patterns that are offered, which allows for a honed fit. I see where this would allow me to better determine how much glue would be left in the joint after assembly. And since I don't know how long templates will last after considerable use, I could only speculate the aluminum templates uswd by the Multi Router might last longer than the plastic ones. However, for those hobbiest woodworkers, the Multi Router is almost 50% more than the Pantorouter and the templates are quite a but more expensive too.
Great Jeff. I did not know Woodpeckers owns it now. Wow! With the genius's in Woodpeckers; I can already see a lot of great features; you have done with this machine. Awesome.
Gotta question Jeff...For years I have tried to remember; what the opposite is of "Climb Cutting". Please, tell me what it is, kind Sir. Because I think I was taught that years ago. But maybe not at age 90 LOL. Thanks again.
Conventional cutting....or "into the rotation".
@@WoodpeckersLLC Yes, I now remember that word. Thank you.
I have to agree with other comments that this is a truly wonderful, beautifully designed and constructed machine. However, even at the sale price of $2799, when one adds the stand, and 7 different templates, shipping and tax, the total cost is about $3709. At least for me, there is no way in the world that I could justify spending nearly $4000 for a piece of equipment that does a job I can do now with my current equipment but not nearly as easily or as well. I guess if I had a production shop that used joinery every day it would be somewhat different. So, all I can really do is dream. I also note that Woodpeckers does not offer free shipping, even on a machine this expensive, which is really disturbing and unfortunate.
It is a cool tool, but for $4000, you can get a CNC!
The price of the machine hasn’t changed much since it came on the market 30+ years ago, if anything it’s cheaper now compared to the worth of a dollar.
@@louieatienza8762 A standard CNC is not very suitable for this kind of joinery. You are definitely faster with this one from Woodpeckers or with the Pantorouter.
Jeff, FYI, when you say let's make some chips, it sort of sounds like another word. :-) Thumbs up!
Nice machine...
Nice video! Does the multi-router do sliding dovetails?
Is the process different, or is it a problem, if the stock is narrower than the router opening on the Z-axis plate?
Nope. Move the vertical table up, reference your material, clamp down to the horizontal table, then move the vertical table into position.
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Is that the Pantorouter?
While they both use a horizontal router, they're quite different approaches. The Multi-Router has three-axis linear control. The PantoRouter relies completely on its template system for control of "up-down" and "right-left". And, in case you were wondering, the Multi-Router pre-dates the PantoRouter by more than 20 years.
What is the difference between this and the Pantorouter
3-axis linear motion. Each direction of motion on the Multi-Router is always under control, template or no template. Check out the weight of each system, too.
@@jefffarris3386 well it looks like someone read the sales manual! ;)
This one came first, it’s made from castings. As Jeff mentioned you can lock out individual axis with this setup. With the MR the table moves in 2 axis, the router moves in one (vertical). With the PR the table is fixed the router moves you can only lock out axis with a template.
I have the pantorouter, and it seems easier to use and less $$ - just my 2 cents..
It's not red? :-)
I want one anyway.
There's a red label...does that count? ;^)
This is our machine. We invented it. It's ours. We invented it way before anyone else had any ideas of any kind. (Mr. Wandel!)
Multi-Router pre-dates the Pantorouter by more than 20 years.
I wish I cut enough to justify the expense
Sorry, but not worth $2,800+ to me
For $400 less I can buy the Festool Shaper CNC router.
I guess it works ok. But why is he using the antiquated Imperial system?? What is all this 3/8 of an "inch"..??? I might consider this machine - but only when its in metric mode...!!!
Well, Pantorouter guys, here's your next legal battle. Fight!
The MultiRouter is much older than the Panto Router. And they are completely different approaches to achieve similar results. Having owned and used an original JDS Multi-Router for nearly 30 years, I found the Multi Router is "built like a tank" yet offering near laser precision when paired with a digital readout.
Strange that pantorouter is not mentioned since this seems copying.
Not strange at all seeing as this was out long before the Pantorouter
@@daveklein2826 Well that explains it.
If you feel something should be mentioned it should be on the pantorouter page and the reference should be for JDS.
This is only a modified copy of Matthias Wandel Pantorouter
That would be impossible since the Multi-Router has been on the market since 1987.
@@jefffarris3386 If Multi-Router was on the market for a couple decade, can you explain why Woodpecker will have it ship date February 11, 2022.
@@marcelleblanc9505 Because it was originally manufactured by JDS starting in the 80s. Woodpeckers bought the rights/design, and have enhanced it.
@@marcelleblanc9505, just because you aren't familiar with something doesn't mean it isn't true. I first saw the tool on David Marks' TV show "Woodworks" in the early 2000s. Here is a video of Marks' shop in 2009 where he shows the Multi-Router starting at about 20:59. th-cam.com/video/Ch8SFQJsR2E/w-d-xo.html. The intellectual property and corresponding tooling of various equipment is often sold between parties. This is what has happened in this case - Woodpeckers has bought assets related to the manufacture of this product and are now producing it instead of whoever was producing it before.
@@eepoke I used a similar but much larger machine made by scmi back in the late 80's but the just called it a slot mortiser, same functions though.
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