13:57. This is a legit edgeguard technique Falco can do against Teleport Recoveries. It's so good thanks to Falco's incredibly high double jump and long lasting D-Air (Spiking for 5 frames, sour spot for the rest). This can even be done at slightly lower percents as well because if done right, Falco has so much room to auto cancel the D-Air that you can connect with the sweet spot, auto cancel, and then you can go for it again, or even drop down off stage and spike them again, drag down N-Air, or drag down F-Air. You also don't have to be facing the stage to do it, plus if you get the sour spot instead, that's still not a good position for the opponent.
Seeing Nairo consistently miss the spike on Firefox is wild. In Smash 4, he would risk healthy stocks and games to hit that with ZSS' flip kick, and he'd never miss.
@@PhantomRAQ50 Not the weak-ass auto-footstool, that wouldn't kill Fox until 120+. I'm talking about the laggy kick that you have to initiate, which killed Fox at 15 below stage.
Pizza Shark nairo is pff his game honestly hes still great but i feel like hes gotten worse since picking up Palu. Shes an easy character who just throws up free nairs and if they are hard to avoid for an opponent so he’s become more reliant on easy plays then going out there and saucing on people. I noticed this from watching his joker. it feels like he wants to just have a magic answer for people with joker whoh is why u see him nair so god damn often with joker. he was never using jokers down b with or without arsene it just feels like hes not trying as hard which is why he uses Palu so he doesn’t have to
@@N0GG1N people continually say joker is busted and easy. Saying he takes alot of effort to be good with inherently means he's not busted since you have to work your ass off. Pichu is still mega strong if you put in the effort and know what you're doing, doesn't make Pichu busted. Same with Pika, same with ZSS, same with even Sheik tbh. Fast combo characters will always be strong if you put in effort, it doesn't make the OP
@@dodobignutz Without Arsene Joker's damage is pretty mediocre unless you can utilise his drag downs and fair 1 into long combos. Ditto with his kill power Arsene excluded. And it's not difficult to get kills with Sheik and Pikachu if you can edgeguard halfway decently since they can basically recover from anywhere.
10:50 I’ve been saying for the longest that Nairo needs to use uSmash more, it two frames it can catch high recoveries, it’s good for reading roles on platforms instead of just trying to bair a roll on platform. He barely uses it though.
I love Nairo as a player, one of my favorites, but seeing anyone pick Joker except Mkleo just leaves a sour taste in my mouth, gotta thank Lui$ for shutting that down😂
Im a falco main at almost 5.3 mil gsp, while gsp doesnt determine skill its ok at doing so, but falcos moves really arent laggy.... what he needs fixed his some of his multi hits not connecting and hes a lil too slow
@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 His speed is fine imo. And you're right that his moves aren't really laggy. What he needs issome better hitboxes, and maybe a little extra lag on the hits of his nair / fair so he could get more combos off of them, particularly nair since dragdown nair combos aren't really a thing and just "strings". Maybe make the bottom part of nair a bit bigger? Melee dair would be nice but not necessary. He pretty much has the problem of not having a great neutral, but it's lightyears above his Smash 4 neutral, I can tell you that for sure as someone who played a lot of him back then. I still think he's really good in this game, but a few small changes could make his neutral, and him as a character, so much better and funner to play imo.
tenacity25 idk personally i think his nairs hard to punish, i always nair fast fall on peoples shields and either double uptilt or jab right away and its very hard to punish nair jab
@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 Fastfall nairs are the only time nairs are useful though. If you try to approach with a normal shorthop nair the bottom hitbox is so small that it rarely hits properly, and against some smaller characters it's just plain impossible to land half the time.
Not every character works for every person. Just hope the perfect character for you in this game isn't trash. Yes, I'm looking at you Smash 4 Falco, my old main.
@@tenacity25 Dude I can't tell you how long I'm still looking for the perfect main. Sure, I'm good with most characters. But they ain't it... I also hope you find the perfect main too, that isn't trash. I miss My Smash 4 Mario....
a valiant effort spacey man....but unless youre playing marth or ike or any character with a long sword or disjoint I would not be challenging palutena in the air....short range characters wont be bypassing that nair...so best to stay grounded when looking for an opening versus palu if youre lacking in both range and zoning/projectile tools to help you cuz jumping in on palutena or trying to challenge her directly in aerial combat without range...not a great strategy....and good luck trying to recover with spaceys terrible recoverys from below ledge if palutena throws that nair out in your path...might've had a better chance with falco or wolf...falco for his disjointed reflector used as an offensive tool and wolf for his blaster...matchup knowledge...it matters...either way regardless of which spacey you use its an uphill battle regardless
Seems like Nairo doesn't really play Joker all to seriously from the looks of it. Honestly he should just stick to ZSS, Palutena, and Ganon. Those three make a solid line up imo. It feels like he's trying to pick up Joker just because of Leo's results.
K.D.G its not facts you buffoon, the skill gap between mkleo and nairo isnt as big as you think it is, quite evident by their set where it was 2-2 last hit at THIS tournament? Youre arguments irrelevant nairo has so much less time on joker then leo does and he can probably get just as good or atleast extremely close to leos joker if he puts in the work
BillNyeDoesMineCraft Joseph Matello We all got Joker at the same time. Also, never said Nairo was less skilled than Leo, just he can’t play Joker the same. His Joker is boring to watch, now Leo’s Joker is always fun and very skilled always pushing the character to its limit. Anyway, he should stick to Palutena 🤷🏻♂️
Lui$ is such a sport, great player
Bird man fights goddess for public consumption
Great showing from Lui$.
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13:57. This is a legit edgeguard technique Falco can do against Teleport Recoveries. It's so good thanks to Falco's incredibly high double jump and long lasting D-Air (Spiking for 5 frames, sour spot for the rest). This can even be done at slightly lower percents as well because if done right, Falco has so much room to auto cancel the D-Air that you can connect with the sweet spot, auto cancel, and then you can go for it again, or even drop down off stage and spike them again, drag down N-Air, or drag down F-Air.
You also don't have to be facing the stage to do it, plus if you get the sour spot instead, that's still not a good position for the opponent.
Seeing Nairo consistently miss the spike on Firefox is wild. In Smash 4, he would risk healthy stocks and games to hit that with ZSS' flip kick, and he'd never miss.
That move would trigger the spike for you, it wasn't something you had to time once set up
@@PhantomRAQ50 Not the weak-ass auto-footstool, that wouldn't kill Fox until 120+. I'm talking about the laggy kick that you have to initiate, which killed Fox at 15 below stage.
Pizza Shark nairo is pff his game honestly hes still great but i feel like hes gotten worse since picking up Palu. Shes an easy character who just throws up free nairs and if they are hard to avoid for an opponent so he’s become more reliant on easy plays then going out there and saucing on people. I noticed this from watching his joker. it feels like he wants to just have a magic answer for people with joker whoh is why u see him nair so god damn often with joker. he was never using jokers down b with or without arsene it just feels like hes not trying as hard which is why he uses Palu so he doesn’t have to
@@deanthelemur1716 shut up lol
@@deanthelemur1716 bruh really uses joker lack of joker down b as an example of Nairo being worse. BRUH
I feel like Nairo would have won the first match if he used Tetrakarn on Fox's recovery, but this was a great set nonetheless.
Yaaaaaaaaaaaa
Where are the "Joker carried players" comments? Even a top tier players need a lot of effor on that char to make success
preach!
joker carries wifi players....including me
“Looked like an execution the way he was puttin them strings together”
EE speaks in bars
But why isn't this Joker broken?
The fanbase is just toxic.
Joker is hard to play that's why. But Arsene is still busted
You can't compare someones main with anothers thirdary. Joker takes a lot of work to play. He is still kinda busted though.
@@N0GG1N people continually say joker is busted and easy. Saying he takes alot of effort to be good with inherently means he's not busted since you have to work your ass off. Pichu is still mega strong if you put in the effort and know what you're doing, doesn't make Pichu busted. Same with Pika, same with ZSS, same with even Sheik tbh. Fast combo characters will always be strong if you put in effort, it doesn't make the OP
@@dodobignutz Without Arsene Joker's damage is pretty mediocre unless you can utilise his drag downs and fair 1 into long combos. Ditto with his kill power Arsene excluded. And it's not difficult to get kills with Sheik and Pikachu if you can edgeguard halfway decently since they can basically recover from anywhere.
That dair from falco was sick tho...
10:50 I’ve been saying for the longest that Nairo needs to use uSmash more, it two frames it can catch high recoveries, it’s good for reading roles on platforms instead of just trying to bair a roll on platform. He barely uses it though.
I love Nairo as a player, one of my favorites, but seeing anyone pick Joker except Mkleo just leaves a sour taste in my mouth, gotta thank Lui$ for shutting that down😂
“It’s that Keitaro practice”, that was a good one😂😂
I wish Falcos moves weren't so laggy. He would be so much better if it wasn't for that
Im a falco main at almost 5.3 mil gsp, while gsp doesnt determine skill its ok at doing so, but falcos moves really arent laggy.... what he needs fixed his some of his multi hits not connecting and hes a lil too slow
@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 His speed is fine imo. And you're right that his moves aren't really laggy. What he needs issome better hitboxes, and maybe a little extra lag on the hits of his nair / fair so he could get more combos off of them, particularly nair since dragdown nair combos aren't really a thing and just "strings". Maybe make the bottom part of nair a bit bigger?
Melee dair would be nice but not necessary. He pretty much has the problem of not having a great neutral, but it's lightyears above his Smash 4 neutral, I can tell you that for sure as someone who played a lot of him back then. I still think he's really good in this game, but a few small changes could make his neutral, and him as a character, so much better and funner to play imo.
tenacity25 idk personally i think his nairs hard to punish, i always nair fast fall on peoples shields and either double uptilt or jab right away and its very hard to punish nair jab
@@billnyedoesminecraftjoseph8379 Fastfall nairs are the only time nairs are useful though. If you try to approach with a normal shorthop nair the bottom hitbox is so small that it rarely hits properly, and against some smaller characters it's just plain impossible to land half the time.
tenacity25 you shouldnt be approaching with nair unless its fast falled, theres no need to buff nair in that sense bc fair already does it
I don’t like how the characters get flipped for the thumbnails, feels strange
Honestly I can't play Joker. Even though he's good I just can't play with him :(
He's deceptively hard
@@ohno4435
i don't know... its just... i can use him but he just isnt my cup of tea. Same thing with Shiek and green ninja. They're just not my type.
Not every character works for every person.
Just hope the perfect character for you in this game isn't trash.
Yes, I'm looking at you Smash 4 Falco, my old main.
@@tenacity25
Dude I can't tell you how long I'm still looking for the perfect main. Sure, I'm good with most characters.
But they ain't it... I also hope you find the perfect main too, that isn't trash.
I miss My Smash 4 Mario....
4:07 some technical difficulties put at 0.25 speed
Bro this fox shmovin
a valiant effort spacey man....but unless youre playing marth or ike or any character with a long sword or disjoint I would not be challenging palutena in the air....short range characters wont be bypassing that nair...so best to stay grounded when looking for an opening versus palu if youre lacking in both range and zoning/projectile tools to help you cuz jumping in on palutena or trying to challenge her directly in aerial combat without range...not a great strategy....and good luck trying to recover with spaceys terrible recoverys from below ledge if palutena throws that nair out in your path...might've had a better chance with falco or wolf...falco for his disjointed reflector used as an offensive tool and wolf for his blaster...matchup knowledge...it matters...either way regardless of which spacey you use its an uphill battle regardless
This is some good analysis. Underrated comment for sure
Good shit Lui$, hope to see more from him :D
is that joywave tee? :3
Nairo so Bad with my man joker
That last game was so goood!
Lui$ killed it this tourney good job bro 👏🏼
5:01 why didn’t you counter???!!!!
ScaleShock I think Nairo was gonna but he went too low on accident
Nairo not using down b to stop the recovery got me fucked up
Nerf Jo...
Nerf Palutena
I'm sorry who are you?
where the hell the tetrakarns at...bruh
Click on this multiple times 6:34 to hear Yoshi
Does nairo not know that if he uses down special it's a counter or what?
Seems like Nairo doesn't really play Joker all to seriously from the looks of it.
Honestly he should just stick to ZSS, Palutena, and Ganon. Those three make a solid line up imo.
It feels like he's trying to pick up Joker just because of Leo's results.
Lui money mah boy
Lui???? It’s LUIS
I just say Lui Money
Emerald SSBU you saying it wrong my boi.... I know I would get pissed if I was pro and my name was said wrong
@@N1CO-NINTENDUDE yeah I figured
That was h y p e
Nairo played horrible on the first game
Does Luis realise he doesn’t need to tip that water bottle up to drink from it? It won’t work if you tip it up, it has a straw 🤣
14:10 no straw my guy
Instead of focusing on the match you're looking at this man drink water smh
Sorry Nairo, you’re not MkLeo 🤷🏻♂️
I mean i hope not bc mkleo prob has ten times more play time on his joker
toxic
no no You misspelled “Facts”.
K.D.G its not facts you buffoon, the skill gap between mkleo and nairo isnt as big as you think it is, quite evident by their set where it was 2-2 last hit at THIS tournament? Youre arguments irrelevant nairo has so much less time on joker then leo does and he can probably get just as good or atleast extremely close to leos joker if he puts in the work
BillNyeDoesMineCraft Joseph Matello We all got Joker at the same time. Also, never said Nairo was less skilled than Leo, just he can’t play Joker the same. His Joker is boring to watch, now Leo’s Joker is always fun and very skilled always pushing the character to its limit. Anyway, he should stick to Palutena 🤷🏻♂️
Uf