@@CPUGalaxy and, as you’ve mentioned: you’ve been at it for a whole day. So you’ve been exercising your hobby for a whole day! How useful is that, right? 💪😉 Awesome video btw!
This content is exactly the reason I come to TH-cam. I did a presentation about this TV recently as part of the history of Sinclair. I made my own ZX 48k from a Raspberry Pi Zero embedded in a ZX 48k keyboard, but didn’t have a TV80 to pair with it. It’s so great to see one working. Thank you for doing this.
In the 80s we always had to use, with our home computers, the TVs that were "left over" or the "older ones" ... the new ones "were not touched" ... at that time, I only knew a CASIO model that was LCD (late 80s) or some model of the all-inclusive radio-tv type .. but this sinclair model is much smaller, a marvel really.
@@connectorxp when my family finally gave me a home tv to use with my commodore 64, this was the same one we had seen the 1978 soccer world cup with !!. (philco b / w 14´) :) (1988)
@@diegocesar316 I used a black and white TV before my parents "cascaded" the old color TV in the bedroom, and got a fancy new one in the living room. On one Christmas holyday I was allowed to play on it :) And now, my young one, asked me when the commercials or DLCs are coming to the Super Mario Bros on the NES... I was in between crying or getting angry.
@@connectorxp it's funny how, nowadays, 80s home computer collectors want "image purity" and "4k-like" image qualities on computers from that era ... when not even the creators of them expected them to be seen with a quality more than "mediocre". which is how we qualify the image of that time today.
@@diegocesar316 I see them using those upscalers and other expensive gadgets. For HD Gameplay I use a moded NES and SNES Classic mini, but they lack the authenticity of running the original via analog connection with all the imperfections that entails.
Hello from Salt Lake City, Utah, USA! Your channel, like your country, is fascinating... I had no choice but to subscribe. Thanks for the quality content!
I was luck to work with Jim Westwood for a number of years who designed this and many of the other Sinclair products. Some of the early Sinclair stories are great.
Great stuff! I still have mine although not used for ages..... The battery was a flat pile lithium 6V P500 made specially for Sinclair by Polaroid and was ridiculously expensive and would last all of 2 hours tops.... . In the end I ran it from a power pack. TV reception was poor so I used a coax chassis socket soldered to a coil of stiff solid core wire wrapped around the aerial and then plugged it into the main house aerial. Hardly a mobile set-up! Snooker was a challenge to watch.... My bedroom tv I then upgraded to a Vega 402.... The problem with the picture flipping is just due to lack of signal... With patience and a lot of moving the set about the room, the picture would eventually settle but usually when the unit was sat on top of the bedroom wardrobe! .
The UK PAL(i) sound spacing is different to European PAL (bg) sound so that might be the problem if your Sinclair TV is a UK version and the modulator is for European TV.. Great to see you got it working!
Yes System I used a 5.5MHz sound carrier, while B, G and K used sound carriers of 4, 4.5 and 5MHz for the sound carrier offset, so it was common to have a TV set where if you selected the wrong sound system you got either good video and no or poor sound, or great sound and garbled video. then you had colour carriers, which added extra condfusion, as SECAM and PAL used the exact same offsets, but slightly different colour carriers and offsets. Then that hybrid MESECAM, using 50Hz 625 line SECAM channel specifications, and 60Hz 525 line video. Likely the modulator was for BG, but Sinclair generally was I, so you either had to solder in new sound carrier filters for use in other parts of the world, or use them for video only. Still have a JVC colour CRT TV set, that was adjustable for all TV systems, B, G, I, and which had a battery operate mode, along with a small Colour CRT. Worked last time I had it on a few years ago.
@@hopje01 Been a long time since I did any conversions on TV sets though. Do remember robbing the filters out of dead sets to do that though, as it was easier to get them that way, and dead TV sets were easy to get as well. Did do some tuner conversions, where you replaced the horrid tray of drift pots with a 4 way switch and 4 10 turn trimmers, as there were only 3 TV stations and a VCR around most commonly. Sony and the GCS conversion kits, where pretty much it was a BU208D, a heatsink for it, with a lot of resistors, diodes and capacitors, plus a poor copy of a board layout per set, which showed you where to put the assorted bodges in. Strangely enough they did work most of the time.
Hehe! Very cool :) I just shortly watched a film "Micro Men" (available on youtube) about Sinclair, Acorn and others and a story behind BBC Micro. In that film they mention the Sinclair portable TVs and here you go, you have two of them! Nice to see it in action :D Thank you!
Great video Sony made a similar right angle CRT around the same time - they produced many different models and screen sizes up to 4" like the FD40 and smaller FD10. They didn't require a lens in front, just some clever electronics to sort out the distortion. Traditional scan coils were used, unlike the Sinclair's electrostatic display and some models are still quite cheap to buy on ebay.
The ISA backplane was before my time, but I think this is a better way to do things. You want to upgrade your PC, you get a new PC card, you want a video card, sound card etc... modular would have definitely been the way to go...
wow really cool little things, never knew they existed really. seems its like today, when were shrinking our computers into smart watches, but back then we wanted our TV with us
You should try and pick up a device called an Agile Modulator. They're used quite often in the ham radio community for TV broadcasting. I have one that I used to have hooked up to a Raspberry-Pi to feed video over the old cable hookups in my house. Blonder-Tongue models are fairly cheap and easy to use. Feed it a video and audio signal, choose what channel to broadcast, and hook up a small antenna - boom, TV transmitter.
I still have my FTV1 from SInclair (I bought it new from Sinclair via mail-order in 1984). Of course, there's no analogue TV transmission here in the UK now. I am tempted to see if I can get a signal into it.
I've had such a device in the later 80th, where a electronic shop named Völkner sold out these for a very low price.Than I need to collect used polaroid cardrages to get batteries.
Cool one, I have a Sony Watchman somewhere, it has something similar but it's more like a flattened normal CRT with magnetic deflection instead of electrostatic. Might try this out if I find it.
Thank you! lol, I am using a 10€ cheap Lavalier Microphone. Connected trough some adapters to my Iphone. I record all videos with an Iphone XS Max. But I ordered already a wireless Mic to make my life a bit easier. The Saramonic Blink500 B4. Lets see how this will work...
@@CPUGalaxy ......i made 1 of these into a pipe.... it was part of a zenith portable tv that eventually became a portable speaker/usb battery bank before they really were a thing
Has anyone else done "CRT's" like this back then? Or is this almost more of a DLP? As it isn't a tube, nor a cathode ray one.... though it sort of is? But it really isn't.... as it's projecting it from the side.... As one who's been into tech since my own inception in the 80's, I can attest with acute assuredness that I've never seen this before.
so this is definitely a CRT. We have an electron gun, we have grids for focus, we have deflection of the beam, we have anode voltage, we have a Phosphor coating on the screen... All this is the definition of a Cathode Ray Tube. Just a bit in another form factor. DLP is a completely different technology.
In the early 90s I would have totally played it like this and been happy with it. 4k is overrated! It drives me nuts when folks ask why you would do this. I feel like they dont understand the true nature of tinkering!
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12:37 "As soon as something makes fun, it's not pointless any more." Never a truer word was said
You're so funny: "The quality is not that bad. I can see something at least." LOL!! :-) That is cool though, I completely agree.
yeah. I was so fascinated that this thing was working at the end. I am not a HF expert and it took me a while to adjust the modulator. 😅
@@CPUGalaxy and, as you’ve mentioned: you’ve been at it for a whole day. So you’ve been exercising your hobby for a whole day! How useful is that, right? 💪😉
Awesome video btw!
it's nice to see someone who appreciates portable TVs as much as I do
Teacher: What is opposite to VR?
Student: Ehhm, Sinclair TV80?
Teacher: You pass your exam
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There's something really magical about these tiny CRT screens, especially one with such an unusual design. Thanks for sharing this with us!
This content is exactly the reason I come to TH-cam. I did a presentation about this TV recently as part of the history of Sinclair. I made my own ZX 48k from a Raspberry Pi Zero embedded in a ZX 48k keyboard, but didn’t have a TV80 to pair with it. It’s so great to see one working.
Thank you for doing this.
Thanks for opening my mind to the many possibilities of making such a project come to life. Fantastic !
In the 80s we always had to use, with our home computers, the TVs that were "left over" or the "older ones" ... the new ones "were not touched" ... at that time, I only knew a CASIO model that was LCD (late 80s) or some model of the all-inclusive radio-tv type .. but this sinclair model is much smaller, a marvel really.
I know how it was, the living room TV was a no go area for the home computer or the NES, later I was allowed to use it, it was like winning something.
@@connectorxp when my family finally gave me a home tv to use with my commodore 64, this was the same one we had seen the 1978 soccer world cup with !!. (philco b / w 14´) :) (1988)
@@diegocesar316 I used a black and white TV before my parents "cascaded" the old color TV in the bedroom, and got a fancy new one in the living room. On one Christmas holyday I was allowed to play on it :) And now, my young one, asked me when the commercials or DLCs are coming to the Super Mario Bros on the NES... I was in between crying or getting angry.
@@connectorxp it's funny how, nowadays, 80s home computer collectors want "image purity" and "4k-like" image qualities on computers from that era ... when not even the creators of them expected them to be seen with a quality more than "mediocre". which is how we qualify the image of that time today.
@@diegocesar316 I see them using those upscalers and other expensive gadgets. For HD Gameplay I use a moded NES and SNES Classic mini, but they lack the authenticity of running the original via analog connection with all the imperfections that entails.
I appreciate the work you put into this. It is so appropriate to apply equal measures of analog and digital for vintage computing
Ah you got shocked from it! Yeah it's wild how the phosphor area is flat versus the Sony Watchmen series with the curved phosphor area.
Hello from Salt Lake City, Utah, USA! Your channel, like your country, is fascinating... I had no choice but to subscribe. Thanks for the quality content!
Thank you!
I was luck to work with Jim Westwood for a number of years who designed this and many of the other Sinclair products. Some of the early Sinclair stories are great.
Great stuff! I still have mine although not used for ages..... The battery was a flat pile lithium 6V P500 made specially for Sinclair by Polaroid and was ridiculously expensive and would last all of 2 hours tops.... . In the end I ran it from a power pack. TV reception was poor so I used a coax chassis socket soldered to a coil of stiff solid core wire wrapped around the aerial and then plugged it into the main house aerial. Hardly a mobile set-up! Snooker was a challenge to watch.... My bedroom tv I then upgraded to a Vega 402.... The problem with the picture flipping is just due to lack of signal... With patience and a lot of moving the set about the room, the picture would eventually settle but usually when the unit was sat on top of the bedroom wardrobe! .
Great video. "I can see something, no - I can see more than something" :-)
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The UK PAL(i) sound spacing is different to European PAL (bg) sound so that might be the problem if your Sinclair TV is a UK version and the modulator is for European TV.. Great to see you got it working!
thanks for the clarification
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Yes System I used a 5.5MHz sound carrier, while B, G and K used sound carriers of 4, 4.5 and 5MHz for the sound carrier offset, so it was common to have a TV set where if you selected the wrong sound system you got either good video and no or poor sound, or great sound and garbled video. then you had colour carriers, which added extra condfusion, as SECAM and PAL used the exact same offsets, but slightly different colour carriers and offsets. Then that hybrid MESECAM, using 50Hz 625 line SECAM channel specifications, and 60Hz 525 line video.
Likely the modulator was for BG, but Sinclair generally was I, so you either had to solder in new sound carrier filters for use in other parts of the world, or use them for video only.
Still have a JVC colour CRT TV set, that was adjustable for all TV systems, B, G, I, and which had a battery operate mode, along with a small Colour CRT. Worked last time I had it on a few years ago.
@@SeanBZA PAL BG sound carrier (mainland Europe) is 5.5Mc from video carrier, in the UK it is 4.5Mc.
@@hopje01 Been a long time since I did any conversions on TV sets though. Do remember robbing the filters out of dead sets to do that though, as it was easier to get them that way, and dead TV sets were easy to get as well. Did do some tuner conversions, where you replaced the horrid tray of drift pots with a 4 way switch and 4 10 turn trimmers, as there were only 3 TV stations and a VCR around most commonly.
Sony and the GCS conversion kits, where pretty much it was a BU208D, a heatsink for it, with a lot of resistors, diodes and capacitors, plus a poor copy of a board layout per set, which showed you where to put the assorted bodges in. Strangely enough they did work most of the time.
I love this kind of stuff.... Thanks for this.
This little TV is a masterpiece! Very wholesome to see it have a little fun in old age. Style points for the setup with the ISA backplane!
Hehe! Very cool :) I just shortly watched a film "Micro Men" (available on youtube) about Sinclair, Acorn and others and a story behind BBC Micro. In that film they mention the Sinclair portable TVs and here you go, you have two of them! Nice to see it in action :D Thank you!
Great video
Sony made a similar right angle CRT around the same time - they produced many different models and screen sizes up to 4" like the FD40 and smaller FD10. They didn't require a lens in front, just some clever electronics to sort out the distortion. Traditional scan coils were used, unlike the Sinclair's electrostatic display and some models are still quite cheap to buy on ebay.
yeah, i have a FD10 and ofcourse I planned another video with that model. 😉
Awesome. Uncle Clive would be proud!
This is fantastic 😎
thanks 😊
The ISA backplane was before my time, but I think this is a better way to do things. You want to upgrade your PC, you get a new PC card, you want a video card, sound card etc... modular would have definitely been the way to go...
@1:07 Whoa! You've got some mad editing skills. :)
wow really cool little things, never knew they existed really. seems its like today, when were shrinking our computers into smart watches, but back then we wanted our TV with us
any time I see "Doom on...." I give an automatic thumbs up.
😅👍🏻
You should try and pick up a device called an Agile Modulator. They're used quite often in the ham radio community for TV broadcasting. I have one that I used to have hooked up to a Raspberry-Pi to feed video over the old cable hookups in my house. Blonder-Tongue models are fairly cheap and easy to use. Feed it a video and audio signal, choose what channel to broadcast, and hook up a small antenna - boom, TV transmitter.
Sounds good. need to check that. 🙂👍🏻
This is super cool. Nice video, very impressed.
I nearly bought one of these secondhand in the mid 1990s. It was difficulty getting replacement batteries that put me off.
I still have my FTV1 from SInclair (I bought it new from Sinclair via mail-order in 1984). Of course, there's no analogue TV transmission here in the UK now. I am tempted to see if I can get a signal into it.
I've had such a device in the later 80th, where a electronic shop named Völkner sold out these for a very low price.Than I need to collect used polaroid cardrages to get batteries.
Cool one, I have a Sony Watchman somewhere, it has something similar but it's more like a flattened normal CRT with magnetic deflection instead of electrostatic.
Might try this out if I find it.
Very cool man!
Really Nice Nerdy Stuff!
Another great video! Greetings from Budapest!
Ps: what kind of microphone do you use? Sound quality is perfect!
Thank you! lol, I am using a 10€ cheap Lavalier Microphone. Connected trough some adapters to my Iphone. I record all videos with an Iphone XS Max. But I ordered already a wireless Mic to make my life a bit easier. The Saramonic Blink500 B4. Lets see how this will work...
side mounted electron gun i never knew that was a thing.
I saw a sony tube that has the gun on the botton, but the phosphor was curved, it was used on the sony wathcman
yeah, i have this here as well. maybe for the next doom session 😅
@@CPUGalaxy More DOOM the better
@@CPUGalaxy ......i made 1 of these into a pipe.... it was part of a zenith portable tv that eventually became a portable speaker/usb battery bank before they really were a thing
Damn this dude has to disassemble everything to do crazy stuff with. Reminds me of myself when i was 6+. Nice Video especially at 13:45 hahahahaha
Hi I understand if you don't want to answer but my comment about the durability of 486's get trough? Thank you!
Looked better when assembled, with better aspect ratio and more shielded from ambient light.
Nice video. That single board computer looks intriguing. Do you have any videos on these single board computers?
Thanks! 😁
@@fadate7292 , thanks for the information. A very nice single board computer indeed.
Wonder what it would be like playing Doom on a Citizen (or similar) colour pocket TV
Genius!!!
... but can it run (display) Crysis?
sure 🙃
"Can it run Doom?"
I'm surprised there isn't an ISO Standard test for that. Or at the very least, an RFC.
what about tcp port 666?
You could have made your life easier using an Acorn Archimedes A3010 and running Doom on that for the RF signal.
Haha, fantastic!
How good are you at Doom? - I can read how much HP I have! :D
Has anyone else done "CRT's" like this back then? Or is this almost more of a DLP? As it isn't a tube, nor a cathode ray one.... though it sort of is? But it really isn't.... as it's projecting it from the side.... As one who's been into tech since my own inception in the 80's, I can attest with acute assuredness that I've never seen this before.
so this is definitely a CRT. We have an electron gun, we have grids for focus, we have deflection of the beam, we have anode voltage, we have a Phosphor coating on the screen... All this is the definition of a Cathode Ray Tube. Just a bit in another form factor. DLP is a completely different technology.
Realy cooolllll
@12:50 Yeah, I would cheat too if going back to keyboard-only controls. :p
When I'm cheating I like to use the chain saw and sometimes the BFG.
ea zoaaaaggg ähhh... i didnt see something,.. schöne grüße aus der steiermark ^^
There's a video from one of the engineers who helped with the CRT manufacturing process: th-cam.com/video/VB7RgVqTgXI/w-d-xo.html
I'm only here for DOOM! 👹😀
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"Моё почтение" - so to speak))
Combine it with a Ben Heck portable atari 2600 and create some authentic 1970's portable gaming machine
Those big components and big thick trace wires, yup most definitely from the 80s.
Интересное видео, люблю ретро, но жаль нет русских субтитров.
На канале sinc lair не так давно было видео про данный tv
@@acorpirk хорошо
@@acorpirk заметил что ты любишь тоже ретро.
This is pointless! This is dumb! I love it.
In the early 90s I would have totally played it like this and been happy with it. 4k is overrated! It drives me nuts when folks ask why you would do this. I feel like they dont understand the true nature of tinkering!
Rip headphone user
try playing DOOM 2016
12 Gameboys downvoted this video.
😂
lame fire animation in the somebody's eyes made my pet cacodemon puke