ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ย. 2024
- Thomas Ronhaar has been accused of CHEATING in recent weeks by many people, the behaviour of some esport driver like Jarno Opmeer, Bari Borumand, Simon Weigang suggest there's something.
Romain Grosjean ex F1 driver and INDYCAR driver trust Thomas Ronhaar innocence.
Video stile inspired by TRL LIMITLESS.
Share the video and subscribe!
Let me know what you think!
Carreton clicked a folder by mistake and showed his stream the cheat files, his jaw dropped. Also the cheat engine was highlighted so he definitely clicked on it since he loaded his PC up.
I think you should write a script in the future about what you want to say.
@@annanishimiya7786 yeah English is not my first language and i talk a bit slow, i suggest 1,5x speed for that part
@@claxxz1 mine neither. It just felt a bit all over the place. I think if you make a script then it will be much smoother in the future. Up to you la 🤷🏻♀️
haha call me a new Dylan Warren fan cuz he absolutely won't stand for Ronhaar's bullshit.. thank God! 😂
“Me after missing every apex and sticking it on pole by a tenth” 💀💀
Yea bcuz most cheats when your able to take more speed into corners its hard to hit them when going to fast around a corner so he is cheating
after cheating: 🤫🤫
i think grosjean doen't know that cheats exists in these types of games, so he could simply be defending one of his esports drivers
I didnt know there was cheating, what would be used for cheating
@@XboxRacingUK Grip hacks, there is a cheat that gives you more grip so you can get on throttle faster / go through corners quicker
Like Jenson did for the Le Mans
@@hbrown689 its crazy how some people are so lost that they have to cheat
Grosjean is an esports driver
Anyone with a brain and a little experience in F1 games knows he’s obviously cheating. Bigger issue is the fact no one has done anything about it (ea putting an anti cheat system or esports hosting on lan for example) and the other drivers are being silenced…frustrating to watch, can only imagine how the other drivers must feel
And he's still not banned from PSGL atleast
Although it’s obvious but they’ll need physical evidence cause it’ll finish his career. Innocent until proven guilty too
Someone with little experience would have no place to comment as they have no clue whether or not he's cheating due to not knowing the limit of the game im not saying he isn't but it's about moronic to say he is guaranteed cheating
"Innocent until proven guilty"?
keyboard warriors sure as hell don't abide by that.
@@darkassassin6457 yeah it’s one thing to think he’s cheating. It’s another to prove it. Man just got P3 in F1 eSports, it’s serious stuff to accuse him of cheating.
I personally think it seems likely, but I’d need to see what he’s doing.
Dylan Warren fighting Ronhaar in PSGL is the defintion of being annoying and i loved every second of it
I think secretly Rasmussen did that move in Mexico (f1 esports) cuz he knew that something was not right with Ronhaar's pace and he didn't want Ronhaar to win it.
I don't think its a secret mate. Its pretty evident thats exactly why he did that.
maybe was because they crashed in bahrein
I didnt think that but now that you mention it
no lol he was pissed about the move thomas did. if he was gonna take him out like that why would he let him pass in the first place?
the speed Ronhaar was exiting the corners that race made zero sense
the reaction of Jarno to Ronhaar taking that chicane at speed in rain could be a sign that something is not right here
especially because jarno is considered one of the better drivers in wet
Jarnos reaction was on how fast Ronhaar was on full trottle, while all other drivers have to shortshift like 2 gears up to controll the wheelspin…
i think it was that he was outsdide the track
@@Markos4344 me too to be honest
Jarno even mentions how Ronhaar runs a lower down force setting than he does, yet Ronhaar is much faster in the corners.
i like how he just spins at spa but then gets back on the throttle like nothing has happened and gains on the car in front on exit.
80% throttle like it's nothing.. bruh his cheat providers are eating good
@@Toki-Ralte Was thinking this too. Only thing I would say there is he was in gear 4 so that might negated the spin.
tbf he was in 4th gear and was basically up to speed at that point and took a wider line than Longuet
@@PointK yeah, true.. larger gear does negate some wheel spins, but not all of them.. and short shifting too early will lose you time, which never happens to him, in fact, on the contrary, he gains more time...
For me that's the best evidencs of him cheating, i'm surprised that there aren't more people talking about that spin. When i saw that i was like yea he's definitely cheating
The tweets from eSports drivers about Ronhaar 💀, they're taking Ronhaar to the cleaners.
That fight with Warren. Ronhaar's light is flashing, taking a much tighter line and staying ahead, but still gets extremely good exits and has better straight line speed.
He isn't racing some noob on a controller. They're all using the same setup more or less, so how is he quicker in the corners AND quicker on the straight with no battery?
Yeah I was on the fence until I saw that france fight. The game simply doesn't have enough grip on the outside of the rubbered in line to keep up with a car on the line. And the fact that Warren was running him off line, off track, and pushing him and he didn't lose any time is beyond questionable.
Anyone who plays F1 knows how much time someone running you that wide off the line should cost you in a equal car lobby.
7:39 for this statement of Grosjean, I could take another similar situation as example. The 2023 Daytona 24 in iRacing. Jenson Button, a Williams Esports Ambassador, came to the defence of the LMDh team by saying the limits are to be abused. Eventhough cutting under the apron was stated as illegal before the race. The LMDh team abused it in quali and with that they gained 2 additional tenths, which might sound really small, but when P2 was separated from P11 by 4 tenths, it’s a lot. Grosjean, a big big name in motorsport, coming to help Ronhaar, whilst Ronhaar being in his esports roster, looks similar. Really similar.
good point! i think jenson was very cautious with his words tho, if i remember correctly he said that in real life the exploit would have been just a lap deleted and not a ban.
so i think he wasn't denying the cut, he was against the ban
anyway great point
But can the same logic apply to a racing game though? Cheating on games is very different from cheating on real motorsport.
@@claxxz1 In the end, if there are any accusations and there's no proof, you'll always defend your own. At least in public, because there will be questions in private. Hell, in the worst case it can potentially end in a defamation lawsuit if the accusations were a lie and caused reputational damage.
@@claxxz1 That's not exactly how real life racing works. Jenson came at that point from the perspective of track limits call, and indeed, if you just exceed track limits on a track during a lap, or cut a corner, your lap time will be removed. However, real life racing is very nuanced and there is a difference between going a little wide while carrying too much corner speed and knowingly ignoring where the track is and making your own line, in real life, if a driver ran the curtain at the speed that Spetz ran the curtain, knowing full well that this is not within track limits, there will have been a serious discussion between the clerk of the course and a number of other officials as to exactly what the punishment will have been, because, you see, on a real track that would have been considered a HUGE safety violation and tracks don't play games with safety, just look at that Nascar pit crew member that lost control of a wheel and ran across the pit road onto the green to get it.
I have seen drivers getting chewed out bad for much less severe behavior, I have seen cars held for 15 minutes into the next practice session for just continuously running track limits in a place where it's relatively safeish to do so. The level of disregard for safety that Spetz showed is not tolerated at real tracks, so my guess is that if this happened at Daytona, and I have worked with many people who work at Daytona, Spetz will have been luckly to be allowed back on premises the next day IRL. I have worked almost all of the worlds top series over the years, F1, MotoGP, Indy, WEC, IMSA, WRX, etc, etc, the level of safety concern at these events is very high, I have seen Charlie Whiting force the track to replace the gravel in one of the gravel traps overnight, because it was slightly the wrong grade of gravel (left over after previous event), I have seen marshals escorted off the track for doing what they thought was right, but should have known better, photographers losing licenses and no longer allowed at any FIA events for being in the wrong place, when that level of detail is paid attention to through and through, the punishment for disregarding safety rules is also extremely steep.
So, basically, Jenson was wrong, and he knows he was wrong, he was asked to come in and smooth out the situation for his team, and look, it took a ton of heat off his org because of his status.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino if it's racing with your friends or against the bots, nobody should care what you do, it's between your conscience and the bots or friends or whatever. When there is money, and not insignificant money on the table, either direct or sponsorship, from the perspective of cheating there should be no difference between real and virtual racing. There should be 0 (zero) tolerance for cheating in any sport, and esport is a sport first and foremost. The one place where there is a difference is that grey area in tech regulations, which is almost eliminated in esports, and in that way it is almost a more fair sport, because everyone has the same machine to start with which is something you can't guarantee even in spec racing IRL, if you took 2 F2 cars, for example, that are the closest to each other on all parameters on the grid today, those cars would still be miles more different compared to the exactness of all of the cars on an esports F1 grid being the same in game; it is therefore about the setup, the strategy, and the driving from the racing perspective. And cheating is cheating, real motorsport, fake motorsport, any sport, any online game even, it ruins the fairness of the competition, and it ruins the enjoyment that other people get out of the game.
It’s obvios Ronhaar is massive cheating, it’s unreal he have the best straight line speed and the best speed in the corners, and massive grip and the exit of corners, unreal bro, impossible without cheating. Good video, bro.
Thank you, Appreciated
Definitely agree. Mainly because this is a game. A pretty static one at that. There are no hyper precise atmospheric/environmental variables to take into account like real life.
It is simply not feasible in the game to have the best grip and best straight line speed and best corner entry and exit speed, unless you are using some kind of cheat.
@@brolo7234 Like everything in life, there have to be compromises. You cant be the best at everything. The same for cars, you cant have a setup for slow corners which is also for fast corners.
I did not see the race in france other tham jarnos pov but damn i kept laughing how the alpine kept pushing him off🤣🤣🤣
If only they could mess with his qualifying that would be some royal comedy shit but this will do for now 🤣🤣🤣
I don't know why he isn't just randomly pc checked by someone in one of the leagues, it happens a lot in other esports
i blame the developers for not doing anything about it in the first place, the easiest thing to prove or disprove if he is or isnt cheating is to send more data from each player to their servers to see all the map/car settings at all times and see if its identical to how it should be or edited (why are maps player sided and not server sided lol, how is that possible and why are there no anti cheats to prevent players from simply running on modified maps ONLINE)
I don't know how F1 cheats work, whether the advantage is you running a different circuit or having a car that's a little bit quicker.
What I do know is that it would be a lot easier to have these players just go to the F1 arcade in London and race there when it comes to race day.
@@KiLLJoYTH-cam the cheats in crapmasters aren't so high level like in cs go.
They're just lazy and they don't do anything to improve the game
@@KiLLJoYTH-cam it's grip hacks apparently
@@pietrekk1 People like you never stop fascinating me.
You have so much distain for the game and its developers, yet you immediately jump onto fringe videos about it, not even 5 days after they are released.
Just admit it its only "Crapmasters" because its the cool thing to say. You actually enjoy the game (or are an idiot for constantly interacting with it) but cant say that online.
@@gandalf_thegrey I play their games for few years doing some league racing for fun from time to time when there is no leagues running on Sims in the day. The latest game that for me was perfect was f1 2019 with good physics the bugs that weren't so annoying like today.
Now F1 22 has shit ffb some glitches on formation lap and eSports cheaters.
How long we should wait to have a perfect game without any annoying bugs or things like this? F1 22 is the last game from them that I could pay full price for it because other Sims are just crushing it.
I absolutely love this. As much as people may think it’s unprofessional, and immature, but the blame for that is solely on EA and the organisers of the championship.
This 100%, the fact that EA or F1 or whatever hasn't come out with a statement yet shows that they have no idea what is going on. The fact that this is even talked about shows how little they prepared for the possibility of a cheater in F1 esports.
It's very obvious he is cheating. You just have to notice cheating in any other game. Tiny and minuscule cheating, making your ability just some small % higher than others. For example in the straights, if everybody has the same downforce, DRS active, same top speed, same drag, etc. There is NO way he should keep up with the pace while he is driving semi-off road or after breaking a sign that does minuscule damage to your car, it's still damage to the car, which SHOULD hold you back.
Also his inputs when correcting the crash do not match up with what is shown in the screen at ALL.
If F1 Esports host a LAN event, then we will know if Thomas Ronhaar has skill or cheats.
1:10 ironic coming from a guy that had the grip hack folder there “testing” for codemasters open durning a league race
9:05 just a casual A-10 Warthog outside.
underrated comment. actually LOL
such is life in the zone (free fire zone)
I think Ronhaar just wants to stall time to the next game, where he will disappear from the higher places. F1 22 was not only criticized for how easy it is to cheat but also the new handling model. I think it's very possible that this will get redesigned and the official commentators will stick to the story that Ronhaar just was a one season wonder because of the special Handling model. F1 E-Sports will come away without the embaressmant of having to admit that someone cheated on their main events and Ronhaar can continue producing content. It's unfair to all the other drivers but it is the best for those two parties.
Honestly, it's surprising that it tool until F1 22 with serious cheating. The games have had their occasional cheaters for basically the last decade.
And I'd not be that pessimistic about how F1 eSports will react to this. And predicting/expecting that F1 eSports will make up a story about Ronhaar gone, is unfair from your side, tbh.
"New handling model" It's still the same tweaked shite they've had since the first codies game.
@@B__L Substantial difference in handling from 2020 to 22
@@braylon6496 Still the same engine/model it’s always been just tweaked
@@B__L 22 does not use the same model
i think its fishy but if they find out he is legit then everyone looks incredibly silly.
Imagine if this went down in real life. Let's say that all 9 teams are incredibly angry about Red Bull breaking the cost cap, so they all gang up and try to wreck Verstappens race. It would be ridiculous, and F1 would pretty much lose all its reputation.
@@potatogirlcultist19 well f1 esports aint real life buddy
Not really just would be impressive and complimentary to Thomas
@@Frezzyy It's meant to be a pathway into real life motorsport though, so if drivers start cheating and not being respectful then it will just lose all legitamacy and become a circus.
Mate in eSports the cars are on EQUAL performance so that it will be more fair yet Ronhaar is driving like he has the W12 from last years game. Not to mention that F1 22 Handling physics are done wrongly which makes it impossible to have such grip. I mean just look at the wet france clip and the spa spin where his tires are totally fine after that and even catches up to the car Infront
Would be great if EA could just take the race logs and replay the race on their own systems, verifying that the lines driven are possible or not. If the logs say "car went there at this speed" and in their own game the car spins out 100% of the time, cheating is confirmed.
EA could easily do this. They just choose not to. Because they suck as a company.
Jarno's reaction in Spain clearly shows that something is amiss and that it's an open secret with the drivers and their engineers. From the engineers reaction it sounds as though teams might be collecting data on their potential accusation before going public with it. Let's be honest, it's not too dissimilar to what happens in real F1. Teams suspect another teams in the paddock may be bending the rules, whether it's liberal interpretations of regulations, or overspending, but they're careful to be too public with accusations until it can be tested and proved.
I HOPE that this is what's going on in this case, and it's not the publisher and promotor keeping it quiet to avoid damaging the brand and the integrity of their competition. Although unfortunately this scenario is just as likely.
But at the end of the day it falls on the publisher; in my opinion F122 is an truly awful and lazy game. A £20.00 expansion marketed as a new triple AAA release. But putting all that to one side, the lack of any real sort of anti-cheat in a game that is used in competitive esports is outright negligence on the part of the publisher.
agree with everything. The game is the worst racing trash i have ever played. Codemasters should be ashamed they even developed this shit. Barely functional piece of trash
Bari was as fast as Ronhhaar in the last lap of Spain and both did not have DRS. Bari cheated as well then or what?
I hope he faces legal action. There is cash prize he is committing fraud and theft by deception. Ya know that might just be why Esports is telling the other drivers to keep it on the down low, they are building a case against this guy. If i was the other drivers id also sue him in civil court for the damages he has caused not only the money but messing with the psyche of the other drivers as well. Punitive damages.
Its hard to prove he is cheating, the reality is that hes achieving feats that the best drivers in the world can't but they still fall within the realm of "possible". Theres "proof" in the sense that telemetry and his grip coming out of corners is assisted by a 3rd party but unless they were to scroll through his files or detect something 3rd-party like in game would just lead to a scandal with nothing to gain from anyone, hes still got the benefit of the doubt on his side. If he were to quit right now he'd never be prosecuted because there is simply not enough. Its one of those situations where he shouldnt be able to do what hes doing unless hes cheating but theres no concrete evidence hes cheating just heavy incidental evidence.
The real damage here is that a game with an ongoing esports series thats even advertised by the real F1 org doednt have an anti-cheat lmao. This way he'll always have the benefit of the doubt unless they find something on his files or whatever
@@amilcarsafeca7629 its the funniest shit i have ever seen hands down, millions on the line and even some basic changes in the config files arent getting detected, no anticheat, and they are even allowing to compete from home, lmao
And yeah, drivers are being silenced, even by their own team managers. I remember watching a video of Jarno who saw something weird and was told not to say anything by supposedly the team manager while on stream. He later on said on stream that he's tempted to say something.
The drivers in the clips are trying to say something without outright saying it.
Ronhaar might have cheated, he might not have cheated. Fact wise we do not know for sure. Anyone claiming that they know for sure are naive and listen to Jarno too much.
We need a private anticheat program for these big leauges that scan files for changes, we do not need the community and drivers trying to police.
Grab all the telemetry data and make a Bot recreate his lap to see if it is actually possible to put so much throttle and have zero wheel spin. He should just give us his data setup and telemetry data which we can create a bot to drive exactly the way he did during quali and see if the Bot is able to do the same or will the bot spin out as the throttle is too harsh.
Simple really.
I think TRL Limitless already did this and left it to our interpretation which already makes everybody know for sure Ronhaar cheated.
@@denizorsel1029 Oh, I just wrote what I thought at the time. It is sad to see potential that have missed out due to these cheaters. Only 20 Spots on the grid and some are cheating. How low do you go. Zero dignity.
Kinda weird how he already got accused of cheating back in 2021 and even was banned from events, no?
is that true?
@@danieldorn9989 Type Thomas Ronhaar Cheating into google, the first thing you find is a tweet from himself
Its obvious that hes cheating
Just reminding you that you left this comment mate. Cheers.
I find funny how PSGL & WOR admins behave towards "hot battles" with Ronhaar (as it was clear and real). LMAO
The time he set in Bahrain was literally 2 tenths faster on one flying lap than p1 time on xbox, if that's not cheating, I dunno what is
(I know there's a difference between platforms but it is not over 2 tenths, and the fact he did it so easily and in quali which has lower grip than tt is not rare, that's impossible and improbable)
You know in profiling, the guilty is mostly less combative than the innocent one, simply imagine if you are accused of something you didn't do and every one is after you. What would be your reaction?
Mate in eSports the cars are on EQUAL performance so that it will be more fair yet Ronhaar is driving like he has the W12 from last years game. Not to mention that F1 22 Handling physics are done wrongly which makes it impossible to have such grip. I mean just look at the wet france clip and the spa spin where his tires are totally fine after that and even catches up to the car Infront
@@AssettoRacerGR stop copy & pasting comments and replying to people. Your reply has nothing to do with the comment
The profiling that’s less accurate than chance? People react differently in these circumstances if he was passionately defending himself everyone would say he seems too defensive and is guilty. Regardless of whether or not he’s cheating (I do think he is) he probably just doesn’t know what to say to defend himself
Grosjean probably just doesn’t understand the severity of the situation, and as others said they are both affiliated with HAAS. Off track he’s an incredibly nice dude so he probably just doesn’t want to add to the hate even though it looks worse for him that way. His time in F1 was full of hate because of his tendency to be in crashes, I think a lot of people forgot that after Bahrain 2020. Personally I’d believe he’s just being sympathetic, but since it’s an online comment it’s hard to understand that and it looks like he’s defending a cheater.
Watching the replay from round 8 at france he literally jerks forward on the outside of every turn and keeps wheel to wheel with the car taking the correct line AT SPEED. That's impossible. It just doesn't work that way in the game.
I'm going to say he has the tire traction changed ever so slightly so he can get out of the corners quicker and over the course of a race it adds up fast.
Yeah the acceleration he has in low speed corners and everything, even that rain chicane at france was absolutely ridiculous, and even the battle with Warren you can see him speed up unnaturally a couple times. What's even the point in being in a competetive sim racing event if you're just going to eliminate skill from it.
it's possible that theyre being told to be quiet because codemasters/f1 doesnt want the negative publicity by making a cheating scandal public.. also they might've told other drivers to use the griphack to compare those who use it to those who dont, because codemasters might not have an anti-cheat system in place. So comparing data might be their best option. Having multiple drivers across the grid use the griphack the data will be more accurate and cheaters will become more obvious.
idk though, just a thought
I mean its pretty obvious when jarnos engineer told him to save the replay and that they will talk about it later, he was so pissed that he almost said it on stream but i think they're waiting to collect enough data to give him life ban from any sort of esports racing
If he's not cheating, he will be remembered forever as the goat of f1 esport: the driver "so good everybody thought they were cheating"
Mate in eSports the cars are on EQUAL performance so that it will be more fair yet Ronhaar is driving like he has the W12 from last years game. Not to mention that F1 22 Handling physics are done wrongly which makes it impossible to have such grip. I mean just look at the wet france clip and the spa spin where his tires are totally fine after that and even catches up to the car Infront
@@AssettoRacerGR yeah but I'm not saying he's not cheating, cause I totally think he is, I'm just saying that if it was ever proven to be false, that would be remembered forever.
@@AssettoRacerGR dude you’re going through every single comment saying maybe Thomas is innocent and pasting the same comment… get a life homie this doesn’t concern you
Governing body needs to step up here. They need to give everyone a random PC check somewhat regularly. It's unfair to be dragged through the mud until their is evidence, but it's only natural that it happens sadly. So their needs to be an offensive strategy in going after cheaters in esports, instead of only relying on a defensive strategy that most esports use, basically waiting for cheaters to screw up and blatantly get caught. It would also deter cheaters in the future.
Being quiet doesn't mean guilt in my opinion. There is nothing to say that will change people's opinion. "Oh now he is constantly saying he isn't cheating, that's what a cheater would do" "Oh, he's staying silent, that's what a cheater would do." Basically if you have an opinion if he is cheating, nothing he is gonna say will change it from both perspectives.
For me it's too soon to say something. It's very suspicious of course but what if he has discovered something to make his driving faster like a bug, glitch or even a technique improvement. Idk but there is a chance that he is not cheating, very slim at the moment but there is a chance
Mate in eSports the cars are on EQUAL performance so that it will be more fair yet Ronhaar is driving like he has the W12 from last years game. Not to mention that F1 22 Handling physics are done wrongly which makes it impossible to have such grip. I mean just look at the wet france clip and the spa spin where his tires are totally fine after that and even catches up to the car Infront
Using bugs to gain an advantage is still cheating
The fact that he didn't say anything to defend himself is a proof that he admit his misconduct.
It's better to be silent and say nothing at all or every words he said gonna be use against him.
So he gonna keep silent and hoping all these allegations will die down which i don't think it will ever happen, fortunately.
I love how because jarno ‘thinks’ that the ronhaar is cheating.. he sees that as an excuse to race him dirty.. without evidence.. what an egotist 😂
He is showing no fear for LAN starting later this year because he's just going to claim the new game doesn't suit his driving style.
Hey just wanted to remind you that you left this comment brother. No worries, have a good day.
Here is why I think he is cheating. When Jarno was winning no one drove against him like other drivers do Ronahhar
Well thank fuck rules aren't applied based on a popularity contest like you're suggesting.
I like how dude at 1:06 was laughing but was caught with cheats installed.
Ironic since Alvaro reacted to the clips too… he admitted that he cheated grip in competition.
If so many esport drivers say that there is something fish,y, there must be something....otherwise congratulations Ronhaar on managing to lose the F1 esports title even if we're .2 faster than anyone else
I don't know anything about this but I hope he smokes people on LAN lol
He did 😂
Either he is cheating and the rest of the drivers are punishing him the only available to them, or this is the worst kind of bullying. There are a few videos around analysing how his performance doesn't make sense (he runs lower downforce setups than some and yet he's able to carry more speed into corners and able to reach full throttle much earlier), so I'm inclined to say it's the former rather than the latter...
Bro that traction whike off track and on the curbs
If he is cheating, it will come out eventually. I've never heard of someone being able to get away with cheating for so long. Crashgate, the 1995 Toyota Celica and Tyrell's inspection wings. I've never really watched esports (I've seen Gran Turismo, but the way it is run, at a single location for all players, would make it almost impossible to cheat), so I don't know if it is much easier to cheat in then in real life. In the meantime, I don't like seeing people driving dangerously against him. It is not proven he is cheating and gives a very bad look for esports especially for people unfamiliar with it, and it would just make them look really salty if it turns out he is not cheating.
What can the drivers do. Repeatedly crash Ronhaar out.... the time is coming ne rage quits or reveal his cheats and leave F1 esports
He just forces ronhaar off every few laps on France 😅
If he is really cheating, then his best move is to be silent until LAN, or more specific the new game. If he is still that fast in LAN he proves he is the goat. If not, he can just blame the new game, like he aint as good on it as in 2022. Just like what happened to Marcel Kiefer
Marcel has honestly just had some tough luck but the qualy has been really off from him all year
He’s beating us, he must be cheating. Gamers never change.
That's not what's happening here.
@@mark5071it is. He just schooled everyone in lan, proving hes just quick.
@@js1465s There is no doubt in my mind that Ronhaar is able to be quick. But he's also super inconsistent, so when you see him apply full throttle with no grip issues, while everyone else is struggling for grip at 40% throttle, it's pretty sus.
Secretly EA are perhaps quite happy with the situation - for now. They'll have to stamp it out eventually but meanwhile their esports series is getting a lot more eyeballs than it did. All publicity is good publicity...
I think Jarno's expressions towards how grippy Ronhaar's car says it all... Hes driving in the rain as if the entire track is dry. I dont play f1 22 much but seeiing others drive and struggle for grip, Ronhaar's ability to drive like that is INSANE. I dont see any other drivers driving like that. The way he acts on twitter too just makes it super obvious that hes trying to act like hes not wrong here. 'blame me if you want youre just wrong' kinda vibe... But what do you know, im just gonna keep to the 'innocent too proven guilty' attitude. No one wants to spawn a scene when actually hes innocent, but this evidence speaks volumes.
I still don't understand why would Codemasters "test" the cheats out of their work environment when it's about how to impend those cheats to work in their game not whatever the pros think about the cheats.
Great video! Not being bias and great points. Plus I like random A-10 gun runs.
The PSGL Bahrain finale Ronhaar got pole by .245 over p2. And it has eSports drivers in it. It should not be that big of a gap. Jarno Opmeer has been the most vocal. I don't see him as a liar or making false allegations.
Dylan Warren woke up, looked in his pocket to see how many F´s he has left to give and said: "I´m all out today mate"
i think well never know if cheating or not or very very soon because if we wait until lan he still got loads of time to improve on his pace which would make him less sus
But you dont go 2tenths faster than p2 in a e sport league even if you improve massively 💀
I don't think anybody will be fastest down the long straights and fastest through the slow corners at the same time without cheating.
@@braveheart4603 ye well i also think hes cheating but i mean an official statement from thomas or whatever 100% confirming that hes cheating
@@mike_klein. It's something to look out for when we see him race on lan and know he can't be cheating at that moment.
He might have time to improve overall but if he can repeat such contradictory feats as being most aero efficient and having the best downforce at the same time he will effectively prove he was not cheating.
I've said it before he is using a (no tyrewear/perfect grip hack) which can be activated and deactivated on the fly with the press of a button.
Even if he's cheating, shoving him off the track and racing dirty isn't a fair or mature way to deal with it like some of these drivers are
Finally someone with a brain... Jesus Christ. Watching those races was like watching F1 open lobbies.
this aged well
what happened with that cheating drama?
@@zhckoo The guy who "cheated" got pole on LAN so it's really just salt from the accusers
Seems pretty legit to me, just built different /s
Like, just watch time trials replays from him, its so weird to watch... why is no one checking him, if so many people say u cheat, normally SOMEONE should take a look!
Thomas is a fast driver, but he definitely cheated during F122.
If Ronhaar is cheating then he should be banned from all platforms. But there's no proof. Until there's 100% proof Ronhaar is innocent. I don't think he has to make a statement it's not up to him to proof he is innocent. But that's my opinion.
I drive for fun online and there are many cheaters out there.
They can go full throttle in the middle of every corner ridicilous.
what a legend Dylan Warren
They spend half their time off the damn track. This isn’t racing. This playground bullshit. These guys are supposed to be top of the top and they can’t even stay inside track limits. It’s ridiculous!
0:46 you can NOT put that much throttle right after a spin wtf
But why don't they just force all e-sports drivers to take part in an event where they have to really prove themselves by playing on a computer with a freshly installed and definitely unmodded version of the game? Like everybody can still bring and use their own sim rig and stuff, but the computers are provided by the host to ensure nobody even has the possibiliy to cheat.
EASY AS THAT🤷🏻♂️
Not quite. You can put a hack between the input and the computer, especially when you have feedback from the game. You could implement ABS/traction control pretty easily, for example, and hide it all in the wheel base. TBH, this probably happens in real F1.
And without far more transparency than currently exists, there will always be the "insider threat," where a dev could facilitate cheating for a cut of the prize purse.
Just publish the hardware that will be used in the race, allow people to practice on that, and nobody brings their own equipment. The insider threat is still a possibility, but that can be mitigated through publishing telemetry to be verified in replays after the race. If the results are not reproducible from the logged input data, then something is amiss. If brakes or throttle were pulsing at inhuman speeds, then something is amiss.
Yes, it takes work to implement these things, but not a ungodly amount. It's a pretty low level of effort overall to quell the rampant speculation/accusations.
Yea. It just doesn’t add up if all these esports drivers are trying to make it harder for Thomas to win. There is obviously some motive for the others in the field to be acting out.
I really wanna believe Thomas this would mean he would be in a class of his own but gameplay has told me otherwise I just don't know what to believe at the moment, the only thing that can proof that he isn't cheating is when there are LAN party racing!
I fucking love the driving they are showing its so lovely
The fact that there’s cheating in plain sight, the game doesn’t have anti-cheat & the fact that they allow you to drive in competition from the t-bar cam makes this entire series a fucking joke!
the part were the track is wet and he have slick tires should say enough
Thanks for summarising everything!!! Subbed!!
You can prove it, simply race on a separate LAN...
IMO everyones opinion are useless until LAN comes, then we will be able to discuss
A simulation of modern f1 with damaged turned off that makes it look like mario carts. These guy would last lap in grand prix legends eith these antics
Imagine paying 60 euros for cheats just to be better when jarno says he is then he is jarno the best E sports driver we have seen
unrelated to the cheating accusation, Opmeer really is unsufferable behaving like this
Romain Grosjean defending him means nothing. Jenson Button defended Williams e-Sports after they cheated in iRacing.
The way the haas tapped the Alpine like 5 times and he didn't spin is just sus
If it's online and more then 20 people play it there is cheaters.
1:49 quite funny ahahahah
I mean the fact that he is running a HAAS makes me think he is a troll.
If these Esports were so damn good. Force the in car camera. Then we will see they aren’t as good as they think
Lucas Blakeley back in 2019 won at Monaco by using cockpit camera, so they actually can but obviously it is much more advantageous for them to use the external one. I'd love too if cockpit was mandatory
Just watched my first f1 eSports race
Right after found a video with cheating scandal
💀💀💀
If he can replicate his insane times at a LAN then it will shut everyone up. If not, who knows what will happen.
Imagine he isn’t cheating he is going to be fire
Mate in eSports the cars are on EQUAL performance so that it will be more fair yet Ronhaar is driving like he has the W12 from last years game. Not to mention that F1 22 Handling physics are done wrongly which makes it impossible to have such grip. I mean just look at the wet france clip and the spa spin where his tires are totally fine after that and even catches up to the car Infront
Why dont Formula 1 just get them to compete in the same room like before on spec machines? If he was cheating i doubt he would sign up for that as he would get immediately kicked out if his pace was miles off.
He would be miles of the pace, just not first, especially in Q1
cos he said he feels better at home or sum shit lmao
they used to do it on LAN but ever since COVID they haven't done so. Hopefully this year's F1 esports is on LAN.
lets face it, who takes racing in the F1 game series serious?
Seen them doe questionable things for years now, cheating or no
i dont think its impossible what ronhaar is doing like jarno was just better than everyoone else in the last seasons but i also think jarno aint talking bullshit
Can't wait for F1 e-sports to return to LAN and Ronhaar "mysteriously" dropping completely off the pace of the front runners.
He just won the race in F1 eSports Lan
This aged well 😂
How many LAN Events did he win?
In terms of his reaction and silence I wouldn’t read into that. If he was passionately defending himself everyone would say that’s suspicious too. People react differently to these kinds of things. That being said, I do think he’s cheating
Yeh, they telling that they too slow and jealous :)