TVM Flintlock Fowler Part 2 Loading with shot

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  • In this two-part series we'll show you how to load and shoot a smoothbore flintlock fowling piece with either round balls or with shot. In part 1 we reviewed techniques for loading round balls. In this episode, Part 2, we will load TVM's fowler with shot, using an historically accurate method.

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  • @jamesgenovese1652
    @jamesgenovese1652 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Some notes on this for the flatlanders. I use 3-4 hard cards over the powder. Saves having two things in my hunting bag and acts better as a shot piston than a felt wad. The cushioning effect is not as important with black powder as it is with smokeless. The pressure of the shot on the sides of the bore are much less with the slower acceleration you get. Acceleration effects pattern spread more than anything. I also split a hard card 2-3 times and use it for an over shot card. A 1f powder charge ( Goex) will be the same volume as your shot. This saves saving having 2 measures to schlep around in your bag. And always pattern you load at 30 yds. on a 30" circle or 2 full pages of news print the size of the NY Times and increase or reduce your powder charge . If you reload black shot shell ammo, the "Square Load" as above will also work for them.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for sharing. I'm always interested in how others load their flintlock smoothbores.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I get my tow on line from the Woolery. The felt comes from Durofelt, also on line. Newspaper works. So does oiled brown paper shopping bag material, which is more period correct.

  • @WALDAWG439
    @WALDAWG439 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoyed part 1 and 2! Thanks for posting.

  • @GRMGR1
    @GRMGR1 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your videos are great.

  • @aserta
    @aserta 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Got to love these old guns. Simple and clever.

  • @markdrinkard4150
    @markdrinkard4150 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the sound of the steel rod in a musket and the sound of the lead shot poured down. So familiar to me .I don't shoot near as much as I should or want to. Its all I think about. Yes I'm obsessed with muzzle loading smoothbores

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Equal volumes of shot and black powder is known as a square load, and it is a good place to start working up a load. My Lee one-ounce shot measure holds 60 grains of 2Fg powder. But that load didn't perform well in the TVM fowler. It patterned way below the point of aim. 85 grains seems to be the load this gun likes.

  • @OneFishHawk55
    @OneFishHawk55 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great instructional video. Would like to have seen a close up of you priming the pan so that new flintlock users know, and see, the importance of not overloading the pan. Good job!

  • @oldschooUSA
    @oldschooUSA 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice fowler. Fires nice and fast. Good vid and good instruction.

  • @sleeperno1215
    @sleeperno1215 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mike, could you do another video where you load buckshot or buck and ball. I have this exact flintlock and your videos thus far were both game changers for me. Saved me a lot of work.

  • @aeronca11bc
    @aeronca11bc 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Mike, You have really gotten me going on blackpowder weapons. Love history and shooting,, what more could you ask for! :)

  • @62forged
    @62forged 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got things backwards. Watched part 2 first, then just now part 1. Another interesting video. Thanks.

  • @griffin5226
    @griffin5226 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I though I was the only one who mounts their flint "upside down", I get tons of flak at the range for it. It's nice to see someone of higher knowledge doing it as well.

  • @winterhorse290
    @winterhorse290 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt has been making really fine guns for more years than he will admit.

  • @lifebiker105
    @lifebiker105 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is Cool. I have wondered if you could use a smooth bore like this. Very Cool. By the way your Cool for showing all of us these things. Thank You. Joe

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you are patching the ball, you don't need wads or tow. That's the historically correct procedure for loading a muzzleloading rifle. But in the 18th century smoothbores weren't loaded with patched balls. I'm showing one of the ways smoothbore guns were actually loaded in the 1700s

  • @Cosmoline
    @Cosmoline 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff! I've wanted to build a fowler for awhile now, but I've done very little BP shotgun shooting. I usually shoot RB only.

  • @dabbchang
    @dabbchang 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WoW. HE HIT IT EVERY TIME

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use buckshot in it sometimes. It will stand as heavy a load as you would want to shoot.

  • @wealthmanagementwithpetean5238
    @wealthmanagementwithpetean5238 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Essential information!!!

  • @rebeccaback3287
    @rebeccaback3287 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the demstration with round ball,and shot.hopfully get me a Fowler some day. David Back from Menifee county Kentucky.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Buck and ball was a common practice for American skirmishers. Burgoyne's officers complained about the practice...they didn't think it was sporting.

  • @1historian
    @1historian 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad to see "buck and ball" mentioned. I have always been fascinated by the practice. Favored by the U.S. through the Civil War in smooth bores. A uniquely American practice?

  • @Nick-wn1xw
    @Nick-wn1xw 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting and entertaining series. I have no interest in the frontier of the old west but that of Colonial America is of intense interest to me. This fit right in there. A question: will that ball of tow keep the shot in place all day?

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Google Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading

  • @yankeedoodledandeefirecrac7518
    @yankeedoodledandeefirecrac7518 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would love to see the paper pattern destruction for turkey head damage . I know clays are esier but please show a paper head pattern of the turkey head and how accurate that is. Id like to see the ability of this load to hit the head on a kill shot.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use the Balistol & water mix unless I'm at a hardcore 18th century even, in which case I just boil a pot of water and use that with a hank of tow on a tow worm..

  • @GCSimons
    @GCSimons 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was going to try shooting shot out of my dads Pedersoli Brown Bess to get an idea if maybe I’d like to get a Fowler. I just found out that there is chilled shot and magnum shot. Can’t seem to find any of the softer chilled shot anywhere but I do have the harder magnum shot at the house. Would this damage the bore in anyway using the magnum shot? Wanted to make sure since it’s my dads gun and not mine. Thanks!

  • @willtosurvive2843
    @willtosurvive2843 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only defferance between the way you do it and the way I do it is I have the tow and the shot pre wrapped in paper and tied at the end. So, I put in the powder and the wad, ram it home. Insert the pre-wrapped tow and shot. Ram it home. A little faster.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know. I only hunt squirrels with it using lead shot.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll do something with it when I have time. It is a pretty simple procedure. Load powder, felt wad and the round ball, as I show in part 1 of this series. Then add three pieces of buckshot and top with a tow wad.

    • @johnndavis7647
      @johnndavis7647 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      According to drawings i have seen of military paper cartridges from the 1700s, the buckshot goes under the ball in a buck and ball load. The three shot make a bed for the ball. The buckshot probably fly sraighter under the ball than over it.

  • @MrKdh1949
    @MrKdh1949 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, Mike. How do you spell "TOE" ? Toe, Tow, etc.
    I never heard the term and have no idea how it is spelled.

  • @MrKdh1949
    @MrKdh1949 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'll answer my own question. The Internet is your friend, after all. There's a nice article in Wikipedia about flax that explains what tow is and how it is "made" during the process of dressing flax for use.

  • @willtosurvive2843
    @willtosurvive2843 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    99% of my hunting is with flintlock. I have a .50 cal for large game, .36 cal for small game and a .62 cal smooth bore Northwest Trade gun for either .60 cal ball, buck and ball, or shot. I like to use it with #4 shot for Turkey and #6 shot for other birds.

  • @DFX2KX
    @DFX2KX 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was about ready to say... usually it's about 1/2 a second ro more. Not sure if most folks load too much powder, or if this particular gun just fires fast.

  • @pclose9
    @pclose9 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been loading my muzzle loader, powder then patch then ball with no wool wad under patched ball, was I loading it wrong?

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    From being used to hunt fowl, which is just another word for birds.

  • @timfrederick7983
    @timfrederick7983 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Need to shoot some paper to see how it patterns

  • @TheDarkchoclate
    @TheDarkchoclate 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    1 oz of shot? Correct. What size BBs? Can the same load be used for different calibers like .50 and .69.

  • @bc46488
    @bc46488 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    REALLY NICE GUN!

  • @robertbrunston5406
    @robertbrunston5406 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you.

  • @Edgar-im1lx
    @Edgar-im1lx 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its amazing to think that soldiers actually had to take all of that time to load the gun, while trying to stay in cover.

    • @sandervanduren2779
      @sandervanduren2779 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Edgar Nohe these guns were more hunting weapons than soldiers weapons. Even so, soldiers typically didn’t get the luxury of cover. Most battles followed line tactics, where two lines marched towards each other exchanging volleys, until they were close enough to use bayonets.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, tow is natural...flax fibers. I'm not fond of wasps nest or dried leave, etc. They may have been used in the day in a pinch, but I've not seen anything from the era saying that they were used. But if they work well forv you, that's what counts.

    • @johnillgen4688
      @johnillgen4688 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where can you buy "tow"?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@johnillgen4688 Try the woolery.com

    • @johnillgen4688
      @johnillgen4688 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I'm trying to learn how to measure # 4 buckshot for a turkey load.

  • @DaleRaby
    @DaleRaby 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use overpowder wads, cushion wads and overshot wads in my T/C New Englander. I don't really trust the overshot wad for heavy shot charges or round balls though, going with a patched round ball or a second cushion wad.
    Have you ever tried a "ball & buck" load? My New Englander has a 12" barrel and throws a pretty awesome pattern at the close ranges it was designed for,
    I think I might need a fowling piece like yours though....

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a couple of buck & ball videos. check this one out. th-cam.com/video/eAeusQbi07w/w-d-xo.html

  • @cropman123
    @cropman123 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mike,
    Good video set. I just wonder; since non-toxic shot is now required for waterfowl, what type of non-toxic would you use in the Fowler? Steel? Bismuth? Other? Thanks.

  • @pointrosey
    @pointrosey 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LOVE THAT FOWLER ALSO A FINE LOOKING KNIFE DID YOU MAKE IT YOURSELF MIKE

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    No. It is a cylinder bore.

  • @spazyfresh
    @spazyfresh 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was wondering when you clean your front stuffers do you use the same ballistol/water mix or straight water? I have been using hot water and its been ok so far, just looking at maybe finding a more effective procedure.

  • @Niemand101010
    @Niemand101010 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    In 18th century parlance, the fizzen was called the hammer.

  • @rch2088mi
    @rch2088mi 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great video where does the name fowler come from

  • @jeroddewalt965
    @jeroddewalt965 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does it work without the “tow?” I’m used to just powder, 1/4-1/2 in wad, powder > lead, #6 shot then shot card and boom

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9 to 12

  • @bmanowske
    @bmanowske 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Mike! I was under the assumption that load of shot vs. Powder where to be of equal volume. My modern inline CVA Optima 12ga. Shotgun, 1 ounce of shot works out to 90 grains of 2f. Perhaps I'm wrong! Can you correct me?
    PS. I talked to Frank of Rocking K Leather, and said he's making a holster for you! Hope you review it! He does some nice work, and is a great guy!

  • @brettduffy1992
    @brettduffy1992 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really want to get one of those but I am left-handed and I can't afford a left-handed model I take it the 1842 smoothbore could be used in similar fashion I know percussion doesn't give you the blowback

    • @denishannan3912
      @denishannan3912 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      TVM makes the Fowler in left hand for the same price as the right hand model, I own a TVM left hand Fowler.

  • @coltonevers2859
    @coltonevers2859 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello Mike, i was wondering were do you buy your (flax fibers) from?

  • @ArethusaBill
    @ArethusaBill 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    You didn't want to launch that clay bird? Call Pull!

  • @Captain-Electro
    @Captain-Electro 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm not even in to black powder but this is cool.

  • @kellyinterrante7745
    @kellyinterrante7745 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Mike, I watched another video of yours in which you used folded cardboard instead of felt. Which do you like better? Thanks

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Felt, but a square of old wool blanket is best of all.

    • @kellyinterrante7745
      @kellyinterrante7745 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you. I am trying to figure out a good load for my 62 cal smoothie. My current pattern is way too open with not much in the center.

  • @garydavis9887
    @garydavis9887 ปีที่แล้ว

    does the TVM fowler come with the rear sight,,or did you add it yourself ?? thx Mike

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I added it myself

    • @garydavis9887
      @garydavis9887 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@duelist1954 thx Mlike,i love your videos !

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@garydavis9887 Thanks Gary!

  • @jamesbrownmiller808
    @jamesbrownmiller808 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have just recently received my TVM 20 Fowler ( after almost a year from the time of ordering) and now have a general idea of possible loads, my question is what is a good all round size of shot( 9, 7 1/2, 7, 6)( general hunting)etc?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Brownmiller I use #5 for hunting...#7.5 for targets

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    .31 caliber

  • @rustyroxy0462
    @rustyroxy0462 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish hed show the pattern for the damage done by the 100 grains of double FF and the 2 oz of shot. I see that the bird id blown apart but for turkey loads, Id like to see what it looks like on PAPER to trace out the turkey's head.

  • @Spiritof48
    @Spiritof48 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah !

  • @BrooksideFarmBarreMA
    @BrooksideFarmBarreMA 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sure gives you an appreciation for what our forefathers went through just to survive in the "new world".

  • @majortomtogc
    @majortomtogc 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    You said you keep 4F in the bag "just to have around" Are you using the 2F for priming as well?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  10 ปีที่แล้ว

      These days I prime with whatever is in the horn. With the fowler and .54 cal rifle that's 2FG, with everything else it is 3Fg.

    • @majortomtogc
      @majortomtogc 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. From what I've read the line between 2f and 3f is at .50 cal. Is 3F your recommendation or is it a test to see what's best by a particular gun?

  • @metisman100
    @metisman100 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool thanks

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    it is pretty wide

  • @gaydes1012
    @gaydes1012 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    does anyone know anyplace I can find used flintlocks or flintlock kits for cheap?

    • @NewEnglandLyle
      @NewEnglandLyle 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am looking myself. I am new to wanting a flintlock, and excited to get started. However, the purchase price of a new one was sure eye opening. I just don't see how those prices are justified. It is not like they have new R&D or manufacturing equipment to pay for.. haha. This technology was paid for hundreds of years ago!
      But seriously, if anyone has information for quality used Fowler's, please let me know as well.

  • @randyvelliquette9251
    @randyvelliquette9251 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was a great learning exercise but I rather see you shoot at paper plates with shot to see how the pattern is by shooting the balloon or a clay bird one baby can break it we would like to see you shoot a pattern thank you

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think you'll like this video. th-cam.com/video/PxTXFxGyTp4/w-d-xo.html

  • @jackson4861
    @jackson4861 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can lead shot be fired from a flintlock with rifling without damaging it ?

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can do it, but the pattern will be terrible, because of the rifling.

  • @stevosnl
    @stevosnl 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Video looks a couple years old, curious if you are still shooting it and your opinion long term on the howler.

    • @duelist1954
      @duelist1954  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      bub459 I sold it to buy a custom made fowler, but the TVM gun is very good.

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The rifling will give you a donut shaped pattern.

  • @roberttolley2293
    @roberttolley2293 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mike, you still shooting repercussions to? best to ya.

  • @Curtislow2
    @Curtislow2 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder could Corn Husk be used?

  • @metisman100
    @metisman100 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks and about how many for a 72 caliber on avrage

  • @davidlangford5383
    @davidlangford5383 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great vid ...is there anybody in the uk who is into flintlocks etc or where can i buy one or a kit as i want to get into them etc

  • @tbndeereman75
    @tbndeereman75 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there another substitute for the tow?

  • @metisman100
    @metisman100 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    what size ball would you use as buck shot

  • @SamGamgeeful
    @SamGamgeeful 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you just use the tow instead of the felt card ???

  • @TheNaturesGuardian
    @TheNaturesGuardian 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    does that count as a cartridge? I can't legally have "cartridges" specifically

    • @Phillygthemessenger
      @Phillygthemessenger 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think it would. I'm in the same boat due to an argument with my ex wife. #feelsbadman

  • @duelist1954
    @duelist1954  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is spelled "tow". They are just raw flax fibers.

  • @clydedavis1428
    @clydedavis1428 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Boy that's a big flash hole could you talk about that

  • @STMwoodturning
    @STMwoodturning 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you grease or lube the felt wads?

  • @metisman100
    @metisman100 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you use bbs

  • @ClassicSta
    @ClassicSta 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you shoot shot out of a muzzle loading rifle?

  • @MrMatt5252
    @MrMatt5252 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    How's the pattern at 20-25 yards??

  • @LozzerGuide
    @LozzerGuide 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is your fowler choked? (Jugged?)

  • @imjusttoodissgusted5620
    @imjusttoodissgusted5620 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mike Nesbitt ( Also a black powder writer) told me that TVM barrels are a little thicker and normal. So the heavy charges (withing reason for Gods sake) would certainly be no worry for anyone. i ordered the 36 inch barrel Fowler Kit. for myself

    • @lawrencestanley8989
      @lawrencestanley8989 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the video, Mike is using 110 grains of powder for shooting roundball, but TVM's website recommends 100 grains as a MAXIMUM charge. I don't think that 10 grains over is going to make a big difference in pressure, especially in a smoothbore, but then again, I would love to see if there is any appreciable downrange difference between 100 and 110 grains.

  • @TheTexasgun
    @TheTexasgun 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    show us how to load "buck and ball" properly