TVM Flintlock Fowler Part 2 Loading with shot
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- In this two-part series we'll show you how to load and shoot a smoothbore flintlock fowling piece with either round balls or with shot. In part 1 we reviewed techniques for loading round balls. In this episode, Part 2, we will load TVM's fowler with shot, using an historically accurate method.
Some notes on this for the flatlanders. I use 3-4 hard cards over the powder. Saves having two things in my hunting bag and acts better as a shot piston than a felt wad. The cushioning effect is not as important with black powder as it is with smokeless. The pressure of the shot on the sides of the bore are much less with the slower acceleration you get. Acceleration effects pattern spread more than anything. I also split a hard card 2-3 times and use it for an over shot card. A 1f powder charge ( Goex) will be the same volume as your shot. This saves saving having 2 measures to schlep around in your bag. And always pattern you load at 30 yds. on a 30" circle or 2 full pages of news print the size of the NY Times and increase or reduce your powder charge . If you reload black shot shell ammo, the "Square Load" as above will also work for them.
Thanks for sharing. I'm always interested in how others load their flintlock smoothbores.
I get my tow on line from the Woolery. The felt comes from Durofelt, also on line. Newspaper works. So does oiled brown paper shopping bag material, which is more period correct.
Really enjoyed part 1 and 2! Thanks for posting.
Your videos are great.
Got to love these old guns. Simple and clever.
I love the sound of the steel rod in a musket and the sound of the lead shot poured down. So familiar to me .I don't shoot near as much as I should or want to. Its all I think about. Yes I'm obsessed with muzzle loading smoothbores
Equal volumes of shot and black powder is known as a square load, and it is a good place to start working up a load. My Lee one-ounce shot measure holds 60 grains of 2Fg powder. But that load didn't perform well in the TVM fowler. It patterned way below the point of aim. 85 grains seems to be the load this gun likes.
Great instructional video. Would like to have seen a close up of you priming the pan so that new flintlock users know, and see, the importance of not overloading the pan. Good job!
Very nice fowler. Fires nice and fast. Good vid and good instruction.
Mike, could you do another video where you load buckshot or buck and ball. I have this exact flintlock and your videos thus far were both game changers for me. Saved me a lot of work.
Thanks Mike, You have really gotten me going on blackpowder weapons. Love history and shooting,, what more could you ask for! :)
I got things backwards. Watched part 2 first, then just now part 1. Another interesting video. Thanks.
I though I was the only one who mounts their flint "upside down", I get tons of flak at the range for it. It's nice to see someone of higher knowledge doing it as well.
Matt has been making really fine guns for more years than he will admit.
That is Cool. I have wondered if you could use a smooth bore like this. Very Cool. By the way your Cool for showing all of us these things. Thank You. Joe
If you are patching the ball, you don't need wads or tow. That's the historically correct procedure for loading a muzzleloading rifle. But in the 18th century smoothbores weren't loaded with patched balls. I'm showing one of the ways smoothbore guns were actually loaded in the 1700s
Great stuff! I've wanted to build a fowler for awhile now, but I've done very little BP shotgun shooting. I usually shoot RB only.
WoW. HE HIT IT EVERY TIME
I use buckshot in it sometimes. It will stand as heavy a load as you would want to shoot.
Essential information!!!
I like the demstration with round ball,and shot.hopfully get me a Fowler some day. David Back from Menifee county Kentucky.
Buck and ball was a common practice for American skirmishers. Burgoyne's officers complained about the practice...they didn't think it was sporting.
Glad to see "buck and ball" mentioned. I have always been fascinated by the practice. Favored by the U.S. through the Civil War in smooth bores. A uniquely American practice?
Very interesting and entertaining series. I have no interest in the frontier of the old west but that of Colonial America is of intense interest to me. This fit right in there. A question: will that ball of tow keep the shot in place all day?
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I would love to see the paper pattern destruction for turkey head damage . I know clays are esier but please show a paper head pattern of the turkey head and how accurate that is. Id like to see the ability of this load to hit the head on a kill shot.
I use the Balistol & water mix unless I'm at a hardcore 18th century even, in which case I just boil a pot of water and use that with a hank of tow on a tow worm..
Was going to try shooting shot out of my dads Pedersoli Brown Bess to get an idea if maybe I’d like to get a Fowler. I just found out that there is chilled shot and magnum shot. Can’t seem to find any of the softer chilled shot anywhere but I do have the harder magnum shot at the house. Would this damage the bore in anyway using the magnum shot? Wanted to make sure since it’s my dads gun and not mine. Thanks!
The only defferance between the way you do it and the way I do it is I have the tow and the shot pre wrapped in paper and tied at the end. So, I put in the powder and the wad, ram it home. Insert the pre-wrapped tow and shot. Ram it home. A little faster.
I don't know. I only hunt squirrels with it using lead shot.
I'll do something with it when I have time. It is a pretty simple procedure. Load powder, felt wad and the round ball, as I show in part 1 of this series. Then add three pieces of buckshot and top with a tow wad.
According to drawings i have seen of military paper cartridges from the 1700s, the buckshot goes under the ball in a buck and ball load. The three shot make a bed for the ball. The buckshot probably fly sraighter under the ball than over it.
Hey, Mike. How do you spell "TOE" ? Toe, Tow, etc.
I never heard the term and have no idea how it is spelled.
I'll answer my own question. The Internet is your friend, after all. There's a nice article in Wikipedia about flax that explains what tow is and how it is "made" during the process of dressing flax for use.
99% of my hunting is with flintlock. I have a .50 cal for large game, .36 cal for small game and a .62 cal smooth bore Northwest Trade gun for either .60 cal ball, buck and ball, or shot. I like to use it with #4 shot for Turkey and #6 shot for other birds.
I was about ready to say... usually it's about 1/2 a second ro more. Not sure if most folks load too much powder, or if this particular gun just fires fast.
I've been loading my muzzle loader, powder then patch then ball with no wool wad under patched ball, was I loading it wrong?
From being used to hunt fowl, which is just another word for birds.
Need to shoot some paper to see how it patterns
1 oz of shot? Correct. What size BBs? Can the same load be used for different calibers like .50 and .69.
REALLY NICE GUN!
Thank you.
Its amazing to think that soldiers actually had to take all of that time to load the gun, while trying to stay in cover.
Edgar Nohe these guns were more hunting weapons than soldiers weapons. Even so, soldiers typically didn’t get the luxury of cover. Most battles followed line tactics, where two lines marched towards each other exchanging volleys, until they were close enough to use bayonets.
Well, tow is natural...flax fibers. I'm not fond of wasps nest or dried leave, etc. They may have been used in the day in a pinch, but I've not seen anything from the era saying that they were used. But if they work well forv you, that's what counts.
Where can you buy "tow"?
@@johnillgen4688 Try the woolery.com
Thank you. I'm trying to learn how to measure # 4 buckshot for a turkey load.
I use overpowder wads, cushion wads and overshot wads in my T/C New Englander. I don't really trust the overshot wad for heavy shot charges or round balls though, going with a patched round ball or a second cushion wad.
Have you ever tried a "ball & buck" load? My New Englander has a 12" barrel and throws a pretty awesome pattern at the close ranges it was designed for,
I think I might need a fowling piece like yours though....
I have a couple of buck & ball videos. check this one out. th-cam.com/video/eAeusQbi07w/w-d-xo.html
Mike,
Good video set. I just wonder; since non-toxic shot is now required for waterfowl, what type of non-toxic would you use in the Fowler? Steel? Bismuth? Other? Thanks.
I LOVE THAT FOWLER ALSO A FINE LOOKING KNIFE DID YOU MAKE IT YOURSELF MIKE
No. It is a cylinder bore.
I was wondering when you clean your front stuffers do you use the same ballistol/water mix or straight water? I have been using hot water and its been ok so far, just looking at maybe finding a more effective procedure.
In 18th century parlance, the fizzen was called the hammer.
great video where does the name fowler come from
How does it work without the “tow?” I’m used to just powder, 1/4-1/2 in wad, powder > lead, #6 shot then shot card and boom
9 to 12
Hey Mike! I was under the assumption that load of shot vs. Powder where to be of equal volume. My modern inline CVA Optima 12ga. Shotgun, 1 ounce of shot works out to 90 grains of 2f. Perhaps I'm wrong! Can you correct me?
PS. I talked to Frank of Rocking K Leather, and said he's making a holster for you! Hope you review it! He does some nice work, and is a great guy!
I really want to get one of those but I am left-handed and I can't afford a left-handed model I take it the 1842 smoothbore could be used in similar fashion I know percussion doesn't give you the blowback
TVM makes the Fowler in left hand for the same price as the right hand model, I own a TVM left hand Fowler.
hello Mike, i was wondering were do you buy your (flax fibers) from?
You didn't want to launch that clay bird? Call Pull!
I'm not even in to black powder but this is cool.
Hi Mike, I watched another video of yours in which you used folded cardboard instead of felt. Which do you like better? Thanks
Felt, but a square of old wool blanket is best of all.
Thank you. I am trying to figure out a good load for my 62 cal smoothie. My current pattern is way too open with not much in the center.
does the TVM fowler come with the rear sight,,or did you add it yourself ?? thx Mike
I added it myself
@@duelist1954 thx Mlike,i love your videos !
@@garydavis9887 Thanks Gary!
I have just recently received my TVM 20 Fowler ( after almost a year from the time of ordering) and now have a general idea of possible loads, my question is what is a good all round size of shot( 9, 7 1/2, 7, 6)( general hunting)etc?
James Brownmiller I use #5 for hunting...#7.5 for targets
.31 caliber
I wish hed show the pattern for the damage done by the 100 grains of double FF and the 2 oz of shot. I see that the bird id blown apart but for turkey loads, Id like to see what it looks like on PAPER to trace out the turkey's head.
Yeah !
Sure gives you an appreciation for what our forefathers went through just to survive in the "new world".
You said you keep 4F in the bag "just to have around" Are you using the 2F for priming as well?
These days I prime with whatever is in the horn. With the fowler and .54 cal rifle that's 2FG, with everything else it is 3Fg.
Thanks. From what I've read the line between 2f and 3f is at .50 cal. Is 3F your recommendation or is it a test to see what's best by a particular gun?
cool thanks
it is pretty wide
does anyone know anyplace I can find used flintlocks or flintlock kits for cheap?
I am looking myself. I am new to wanting a flintlock, and excited to get started. However, the purchase price of a new one was sure eye opening. I just don't see how those prices are justified. It is not like they have new R&D or manufacturing equipment to pay for.. haha. This technology was paid for hundreds of years ago!
But seriously, if anyone has information for quality used Fowler's, please let me know as well.
It was a great learning exercise but I rather see you shoot at paper plates with shot to see how the pattern is by shooting the balloon or a clay bird one baby can break it we would like to see you shoot a pattern thank you
I think you'll like this video. th-cam.com/video/PxTXFxGyTp4/w-d-xo.html
Can lead shot be fired from a flintlock with rifling without damaging it ?
You can do it, but the pattern will be terrible, because of the rifling.
Video looks a couple years old, curious if you are still shooting it and your opinion long term on the howler.
bub459 I sold it to buy a custom made fowler, but the TVM gun is very good.
The rifling will give you a donut shaped pattern.
So will loading shot with a hot charge.
Mike, you still shooting repercussions to? best to ya.
I wonder could Corn Husk be used?
thanks and about how many for a 72 caliber on avrage
great vid ...is there anybody in the uk who is into flintlocks etc or where can i buy one or a kit as i want to get into them etc
Is there another substitute for the tow?
what size ball would you use as buck shot
Can you just use the tow instead of the felt card ???
Yes
does that count as a cartridge? I can't legally have "cartridges" specifically
I don't think it would. I'm in the same boat due to an argument with my ex wife. #feelsbadman
It is spelled "tow". They are just raw flax fibers.
Boy that's a big flash hole could you talk about that
Do you grease or lube the felt wads?
No
can you use bbs
Can you shoot shot out of a muzzle loading rifle?
How's the pattern at 20-25 yards??
Is your fowler choked? (Jugged?)
Mike Nesbitt ( Also a black powder writer) told me that TVM barrels are a little thicker and normal. So the heavy charges (withing reason for Gods sake) would certainly be no worry for anyone. i ordered the 36 inch barrel Fowler Kit. for myself
In the video, Mike is using 110 grains of powder for shooting roundball, but TVM's website recommends 100 grains as a MAXIMUM charge. I don't think that 10 grains over is going to make a big difference in pressure, especially in a smoothbore, but then again, I would love to see if there is any appreciable downrange difference between 100 and 110 grains.
show us how to load "buck and ball" properly