This was a great discussion! Thank you Dr. Ball and Brother Mtume Gant! I always leave this space more informed, and with a greater understanding of just how precipitous our struggle is than when I entered. I too remember my father speaking the propaganda of the machine of Black revolutionaries when I was boy. He would proudly tell the stories of the Panthers, MLK, and especially Malcolm with a sense of pride, but he would always, always lament about these so called moral contradictions and shortcomings as he attempted to expose and teach me the importance of their messages. Thank you for this discussion, I now have to go and read what you all have shared. Again!!!!
1:39:24 "the film for us doesn't have a resolution that's uplifting" i recently heard a blk professor say it has gotten extremely difficult to have a book published on blk history if it doesn't have an arc of vindication leading to Obama
The spirit of Spike picking up money thrown at him off the floor at the end of Do The Right Thing was recreated with that man concluding the interview by telling Coates you can still hang with us he picked that permission slip up right off the floor
Excellent breakdown and review. I’m not going to lie, I fell for the rhetoric and the water down and fake outrage and progressivism of Coates Message. For example, he mentioned my home country of Liberia 🇱🇷 as it relates to the Black American Freed slaves colonization of Liberia similar to what Israel 🇮🇱 is doing to the Palestinian people. However, I would’ve appreciated more if he went further and called America 🇺🇸 out for the role it’s played in the colonization and breakdown of both countries. SMFH. So, what you all are saying makes total sense to me. Thank you ❤
Fantastic conversation! Totally agree about Nomadland! Total garbage, poverty pimping trash. She did another terrible movie with Nicole Kidman. Who keeps green lighting this trash?
loving these convos. if anyone ever needs a translation of losurdo hit me up. I know the critical theory workshop people are working on official ones, but i've got my losurdo stack and if something is needed urgently, I am game 🙌🏽❤
It's a conundrum. Coates admitted the book was HEAVILY vetted and edited and he was quite compliant with that process. In a conversation with a Substack journalist the journalist asked him a question about black people in the US paying attention to international events. Coates responded, ignorantly, that we're just too caught up in our own stuff, which forced the interviewer to mention former black journals, pan-African movements, Paul Robeson, etc., all of whom were very internationally involved, after which he quickly moved to another question. I have to believe Coates, with his family heritage, knows these things but maybe this is the first time because, unlike his former endeavors his most recent book has caught the attention of "alternative media," that he's spoken with a journalist who knows and will say better. So, as Coates professes the need to reveal truth with his all writing and this book has been resonant with actual truth seekers, I do wonder that the inspiration for his sudden enlightenment about Israel wasn't actually his but that of someone in his publishing circle. Why? We can only guess.
I thought the book was good…I’m not sure why Coates has to be the “save all”. Just because the book didn’t reach the depths that you desired doesn’t equate to him having some ulterior motive and it definitely doesn’t justify white media attempting to take him down. It’s just a book! No reason to characterize him as “problematic” or “narcissistic”.
Yeah, it's like complaining that the phone sucks because it's not a computer. Or the broom can't do the job of a mop. Or the Glock is useless because it's not an AK. Or a book is garbage because it's not a congressional bill. I suggest we use the phone, book, Glock, broom, and Coates to our advantage and not put too much effort into pointing out their shortcomings. We need Coates - what's the best way to "use" him?
aint got nothing insightful to add but when that interview started blowing up, i was like THIS the milquetoast rhetoric we supposed to get hype about? Perform ignorance and come and tell us whats been known for years I find the politics of virality engaging... whats platformed and propagated as opposed to what isn't. regardless of the medium... a pattern becomes observable when comparing and contrasting... and this coates stuff fits neatly within that pattern
At 27:00 - The idea that journalism today is objective in any way is a joke, but to be clear: it has never been objective. Ever. At any point. That was always an aspirational value at best, and it was never universally applied or accepted in the business. Editors decide what gets to be news, and they do so largely based on agendas swirling around profit. This idea that what makes news is somehow beholden to some hierarchy of worthiness and not agendas is patently false.
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The convo is always great when Mtume's in the building.
This was a great discussion! Thank you Dr. Ball and Brother Mtume Gant! I always leave this space more informed, and with a greater understanding of just how precipitous
our struggle is than when I entered. I too remember my father speaking the propaganda of the machine of Black revolutionaries when I was boy. He would proudly tell the stories of the Panthers, MLK, and especially Malcolm with a sense of pride, but he would always, always lament about these so called moral contradictions and shortcomings as he attempted to expose and teach me the importance of their messages. Thank you for this discussion, I now have to go and read what you all have shared. Again!!!!
1:39:24 "the film for us doesn't have a resolution that's uplifting"
i recently heard a blk professor say it has gotten extremely difficult to have a book published on blk history if it doesn't have an arc of vindication leading to Obama
The spirit of Spike picking up money thrown at him off the floor at the end of Do The Right Thing was recreated with that man concluding the interview by telling Coates you can still hang with us
he picked that permission slip up right off the floor
Excellent breakdown and review. I’m not going to lie, I fell for the rhetoric and the water down and fake outrage and progressivism of Coates Message. For example, he mentioned my home country of Liberia 🇱🇷 as it relates to the Black American Freed slaves colonization of Liberia similar to what Israel 🇮🇱 is doing to the Palestinian people. However, I would’ve appreciated more if he went further and called America 🇺🇸 out for the role it’s played in the colonization and breakdown of both countries. SMFH.
So, what you all are saying makes total sense to me. Thank you ❤
12 minutes in and already fire
Facts
Your conversations are truly the best. So enlightening 🙏🏿
In summary, we need Coates - and I embrace people like him, even when they are not exactly like me.
Fantastic conversation! Totally agree about Nomadland! Total garbage, poverty pimping trash. She did another terrible movie with Nicole Kidman. Who keeps green lighting this trash?
Mannnn, Gant's perspective is just next level!! His insight and knowledge is a treat. Good looking out!!!
Another great discussion. Wish Mtume would have talked more about what he thinks the new approach to revolutionary art should be though.
I wish I was smart enough to follow this conversation! I'll read more and come back in a couple months.
Most academic work is little more than vanity and virtue-signaling to other academics.
1:15:20 I think he was thinking of William F. Buckley, a white conservative who interviewed figures like Newton, Chomsky, Zinn, and Baldwin.
My mind went to Donahue
Bravo...more Mtume g
loving these convos. if anyone ever needs a translation of losurdo hit me up. I know the critical theory workshop people are working on official ones, but i've got my losurdo stack and if something is needed urgently, I am game 🙌🏽❤
How do we keep our heart strong (and light) without becoming ideologically trapped?
I just realized from the intro that my "Baltimore 2 step goes well with Go-Go!"
1:28:45 Dr. Ball PLEASE 😭😭 I know one too many people who believe this
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It's a conundrum. Coates admitted the book was HEAVILY vetted and edited and he was quite compliant with that process. In a conversation with a Substack journalist the journalist asked him a question about black people in the US paying attention to international events. Coates responded, ignorantly, that we're just too caught up in our own stuff, which forced the interviewer to mention former black journals, pan-African movements, Paul Robeson, etc., all of whom were very internationally involved, after which he quickly moved to another question. I have to believe Coates, with his family heritage, knows these things but maybe this is the first time because, unlike his former endeavors his most recent book has caught the attention of "alternative media," that he's spoken with a journalist who knows and will say better. So, as Coates professes the need to reveal truth with his all writing and this book has been resonant with actual truth seekers, I do wonder that the inspiration for his sudden enlightenment about Israel wasn't actually his but that of someone in his publishing circle. Why? We can only guess.
Excellent analysis.
I thought the book was good…I’m not sure why Coates has to be the “save all”. Just because the book didn’t reach the depths that you desired doesn’t equate to him having some ulterior motive and it definitely doesn’t justify white media attempting to take him down.
It’s just a book!
No reason to characterize him as “problematic” or “narcissistic”.
Exactly.... And Coates said in several interviews that he was not the authority on Palestinian freedom and justice.
Yeah, it's like complaining that the phone sucks because it's not a computer. Or the broom can't do the job of a mop. Or the Glock is useless because it's not an AK. Or a book is garbage because it's not a congressional bill.
I suggest we use the phone, book, Glock, broom, and Coates to our advantage and not put too much effort into pointing out their shortcomings.
We need Coates - what's the best way to "use" him?
Please link the podcasts!
Dr. Ball, were you thinking of William F. Buckley?
He called Israel an apartheid state on mainstream American tv.
What was the name of the show about Ka? Thanks
Remembering Ka
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it's on the MAK (millennials are killing) capitalism channel
@@LaLasta thanks
aint got nothing insightful to add
but when that interview started blowing up, i was like THIS the milquetoast rhetoric we supposed to get hype about? Perform ignorance and come and tell us whats been known for years
I find the politics of virality engaging... whats platformed and propagated as opposed to what isn't. regardless of the medium... a pattern becomes observable when comparing and contrasting... and this coates stuff fits neatly within that pattern
At 27:00 - The idea that journalism today is objective in any way is a joke, but to be clear: it has never been objective. Ever. At any point. That was always an aspirational value at best, and it was never universally applied or accepted in the business. Editors decide what gets to be news, and they do so largely based on agendas swirling around profit. This idea that what makes news is somehow beholden to some hierarchy of worthiness and not agendas is patently false.