depends on the board, but smaller sizes get used a lot. The heuristic you may have heard about sizing with regard to frequency (when you bet less often you tend to bet bigger) is much more true when in position compared to out of position.
This is genuinely useful advice. If your betting lead is augmented by someone deferring to you by checking? You need to make that bet with a broad range (any pair, any draw, 33% of your air).
For the best boards for OOP Pre-Flop aggressor, whats the global C-Betting frequency are we looking at? is it still 35% ish, then balance it with ABC-style X-R ranges? Thanks
The problem is that c-betting out of position is how I chip up in the middle stages of a tournament. When I get my tight image set then I can raise periodically out of position and if I get called then most of the time my c-bet on the flop takes the pot because people assume I’m donk leading.
Great content guys, I'd love an episode on when to fold. There isn't much out there that specifically drills it. I can't help but click call on the river when they have aggressive stats
I've got a question on the check-raising example on 732r flow. 17% seems really high, do we even have a calling range in this spot? Looks like only A7 and A3 can call here, assuming we have these hands in our opening range at all. Shouldn't we strengthen calling range by moving sets to it, at least on dry-ish boards?
We'll certainly have a calling range, which will include (from worst to best): - Good ace-highs and good high card backdoor fd hands - Flopped pairs and weaker pocket pairs - Overpairs at a mixed frequency (we don't necessarily check-raise 100% of overpairs) - Sets at a mixed frequency (same idea as overpairs) Remember we raised preflop from a non-button position, so we only have the top 15-30% of hands to begin with. So while 17% might seem really high, it's 17% of a fairly condensed and strong range.
In online games especially those with significant rake (which is most of them), the calling option preflop really suffers because of the rake + the threat of squeeze behind. If you're in a game with a lot less squeezing, you might be able to get away with more calling. The equilibrium button range is pretty intuitive. It's pocket pairs below JJ, some suited high card stuff, and the best offsuit broadways, all at a mixed frequency (in other words, all of those hand classes only 3-bet sometimes). For what it's worth, some very good players recommend playing a 3-bet or fold strategy even on the button in online low stakes games. It's really a choose your own adventure. There's not just one winning strategy, but you can try to figure out the best strategy given your games.
Great video, what happens when your check raise gets called? What are you supposed to do then? Check the turn? Then opponent bets again, if you don't have a piece of it, do you go for gold and go all in or do another check raise? If you have a piece of it on the turn then clearly different story. I know every scenario is different due to board texture and holdings but still, good video but just where my mind went after it was done
Huge question. Gary made a whole module about playing turns after check-raising in the Upswing Lab. If you're a member, go watch it. If not, I'm sure we will cover the fundamentals of that spot eventually on this show.
If you pick up equity and/or it's a very good turn for your range, you barrel frequently, if you pick up zero equity you happily give up. If you check raise Q8hh on TT2hsd and the turn is the 3c you give up but if it's the 4h you keep firing!
In a nutshell make sure that your bluffs always have some backdoor equity, that way you can play them just as strong as you would if you actually had the nuts
I discovered a fun thing to do with this video. Lol! Pause it, and then hit skip forward. It looks like they're taking a bunch of drunk selfies! Lol! =P
@@EricSmyth2Christ the guys mentioned that in the video. Looser live players will have more airballs on the flop so you can c-bet more often than you could against a more condensed range. Starting with a check and ramming a check-raise down their throat can really be effective though!
Absolutely great content, thank you!
This was a timely video. I had a couple OOP SRP pots I have been thinking about these last few weeks. Very good video. Thanks gents!
Would love to see a video on 4-bet pots at some point guys, specifically focused on optimal continuing ranges against 4-bets OOP and IP.
With a large checking percentage OOP, when we do Cbet, are we using a larger size like 2/3 pot or pot size?
depends on the board, but smaller sizes get used a lot.
The heuristic you may have heard about sizing with regard to frequency (when you bet less often you tend to bet bigger) is much more true when in position compared to out of position.
Love the series- short, concise, interactive 👌🏻
This is genuinely useful advice. If your betting lead is augmented by someone deferring to you by checking? You need to make that bet with a broad range (any pair, any draw, 33% of your air).
For the best boards for OOP Pre-Flop aggressor, whats the global C-Betting frequency are we looking at? is it still 35% ish, then balance it with ABC-style X-R ranges?
Thanks
The problem is that c-betting out of position is how I chip up in the middle stages of a tournament. When I get my tight image set then I can raise periodically out of position and if I get called then most of the time my c-bet on the flop takes the pot because people assume I’m donk leading.
Great content guys, I'd love an episode on when to fold. There isn't much out there that specifically drills it. I can't help but click call on the river when they have aggressive stats
Thanks for the suggestion! Here's an article you may want to read: upswingpoker.com/winning-calls-that-lose/
Brilliant video lads!
Great content as always, how about bet sizings in this situations?
I am interested about your opinion in this as well
I've got a question on the check-raising example on 732r flow. 17% seems really high, do we even have a calling range in this spot? Looks like only A7 and A3 can call here, assuming we have these hands in our opening range at all. Shouldn't we strengthen calling range by moving sets to it, at least on dry-ish boards?
We'll certainly have a calling range, which will include (from worst to best):
- Good ace-highs and good high card backdoor fd hands
- Flopped pairs and weaker pocket pairs
- Overpairs at a mixed frequency (we don't necessarily check-raise 100% of overpairs)
- Sets at a mixed frequency (same idea as overpairs)
Remember we raised preflop from a non-button position, so we only have the top 15-30% of hands to begin with. So while 17% might seem really high, it's 17% of a fairly condensed and strong range.
nailed it@@mbradycf
What's the 6% button flatting range to a mid-co raise. Seems low. I flat a bunch here. Maybe I should be raising more?
In online games especially those with significant rake (which is most of them), the calling option preflop really suffers because of the rake + the threat of squeeze behind. If you're in a game with a lot less squeezing, you might be able to get away with more calling.
The equilibrium button range is pretty intuitive. It's pocket pairs below JJ, some suited high card stuff, and the best offsuit broadways, all at a mixed frequency (in other words, all of those hand classes only 3-bet sometimes).
For what it's worth, some very good players recommend playing a 3-bet or fold strategy even on the button in online low stakes games.
It's really a choose your own adventure. There's not just one winning strategy, but you can try to figure out the best strategy given your games.
thanks i now have a pretty good idea of the fundamentals
Great video, what happens when your check raise gets called? What are you supposed to do then? Check the turn? Then opponent bets again, if you don't have a piece of it, do you go for gold and go all in or do another check raise? If you have a piece of it on the turn then clearly different story. I know every scenario is different due to board texture and holdings but still, good video but just where my mind went after it was done
Barrell with your flop value and the 50% of your flop bluffs (aprox) on any brick turn
If the turn is a dynamic card well...... it is more tricky.
Huge question. Gary made a whole module about playing turns after check-raising in the Upswing Lab. If you're a member, go watch it. If not, I'm sure we will cover the fundamentals of that spot eventually on this show.
If you pick up equity and/or it's a very good turn for your range, you barrel frequently, if you pick up zero equity you happily give up. If you check raise Q8hh on TT2hsd and the turn is the 3c you give up but if it's the 4h you keep firing!
@@garyblackwoodpoker @mbradycf thanks for the replies, much appreciated ! That is what I thought too for the most part
In a nutshell make sure that your bluffs always have some backdoor equity, that way you can play them just as strong as you would if you actually had the nuts
Solid vid
I discovered a fun thing to do with this video. Lol! Pause it, and then hit skip forward. It looks like they're taking a bunch of drunk selfies! Lol! =P
I disagree. I attempted your conjecture and they clearly look like they are shrooming for the first time.
Loool
can anybody please point me to the "c-bet in position" video they mention a lot? i was unable to find it on the chan
Here you are th-cam.com/video/eZH4ItK-Ltc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1T6XjU8Lfz7nwAln
@@UpswingPoker thanks a lot man :)
What should the bet sizings be??? still 33% pot???
I am interested about your opinion in this as well
I don't think we always open 22-33-44 from MP to have sets on 237 type boards?
this is more true the deeper the stacks, less true the shallower, solvers would indicate.
very helpful.
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To sum up: C-betting out of position costs you money, except when it makes you money.
wow....
If button is playing 45% how is he calling with only 6% of his range?
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that is gold1
1:42 "button has tight flatting range...", this is where I stopped watching. Anything else you say after this, does not hold any water.
Well at 4 minutes they say don't do that if u notice people not being flat om the btn lol
If Doug isn’t teaching, I’m not watching!
Doug is that you?
Who is your target audience here? People playing what stakes?
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Live low stakes c betting is fine
@@EricSmyth2Christ the guys mentioned that in the video. Looser live players will have more airballs on the flop so you can c-bet more often than you could against a more condensed range. Starting with a check and ramming a check-raise down their throat can really be effective though!
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This tip has been helpful for me at the micros online/live small stakes