Xipe is definitely evil, she makes my harmony characters get attacked 24/7 and die, only a true evil being would treat their follower so badly, meanwhile nanook gave suitability to most of his characters (except dan heng and arlan i suppose)
Age does not really determine power and scale. Look at propagation, they only lasted for a short while, but they left their mark. having to be killed by a team effort of aeons
I mean, Terminus might be the youngest by technicality? They live going backwards in time, so they were originally from the future moving to the past? Not particularly clear on that one.
@@fogofwaroneverest240Kinda weird. Terminus embodies the concept of Finality, he should be present at the end of the universe yet him going backward in time would contradict his own existence (as Aeon they literally can’t stray from their Path) But if going backward in time doesn’t contradict Finality then their could be another reason, that the beginning and ending is the same. The universe is stuck in a cycle from creation and destruction as hoyoverse really love to invoke the concept of samsara throughout their games
If we continue this line of thought then, Qlipoth requires as a counterpart an Aeon equally as old if not older than them. My guess would be Terminus the Finality. We know next to nothing about them, and if I can take the liberty of assuming that the Cocoon of Finality from hi3 is an Emanator of Finality, then we can guess that Finality brings about the end of the universe (or galaxy, gotta take the mistranslations into consideration) and a samsara repeat.. This would lead to the logic that Qlipoth wishes to preserve this world as is, to no longer go through the suffering of End and Samsara. This line of thought also insinuates that the Preservation is a reaction to the Finality, not the other way around, but shhh don't let the IPC hear or else they'll-
I quite disagree on this, rather than Terminus my guess was Oroboros. remember that Aeons had a war with the Leviathans during the dusk wars and Qlipoth was one of known Aeons who was present at the time and is building walls to prepare for the return of the "archnemesis"(most likely hinting a leviathan, and thats none other than Oroboros). Terminus is no doubt one of the oldest Aeons, but the couter to Oroboros is non other than Qlipoth.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 it's been a few days since I had that idea and I gotta say I agree with you. I've read some more in the meantime and Finality is pretty overtly paired with Order in some texts, and Oroboros was my second guess for Qlipoth's pair anyway. However, if Order and Finality are paired, this paints Xipe in a rather ominous light considering that they'd then be a (relatively) younger Aeon who absorbed a much, much older Aeon
@@st0rmX7 a samsara in buddhism is the cycle of life, death, and rebirth characteristic of all unenlightened living beings who have yet to achieve Nirvana. It's also a term mihoyo uses _a lot_ across all of their games to describe repeating cycles, like the samsara of Earth created by the Cocoon of Finality in hi3 or the Sabzeruz samsara in genshin
wow, you really managed to tie up the main points on the "swarm disaster lore dump", especially what we needed to learn from it before going to Penacony. As a Star Rail's lore hunter I very much appreciate it, so thank u very much for summarizing everything so briefly
Hunt is more likely bc they're still on the Xianzhou. Maybe unrelated but ppl say the LC on herta shop is the TB's signature lightcones. If that's true (I'd like that to be true), Hunt is next and Nihility as well. Also I want a hunt chracter bc Yanqing isn't for me lol
I do confirmed that I saw several leaks suggesting the next path we'll get will be, indeed, harmony. The imaginary part wasn't fully confirme. And we have nothing about Hunt path at all. So it's still to take with a grain of salt and with a "trust me bro" kind of source. But since it's the only path leakers talked about, I think we can at least confirmed we won't get hunt next ~
I always had the thought that in penacony harmony was just taken to the extreme. Isnt harmony basically the way of being together and working well despite the difference of elements?
Like Tarrot cards, there's a positive and negative side to every Aeon. Since they relentlessly pursue their path, there's a tendency to overdo things and reach the negative.
@@adriantepes4355 Tarrot Cards aren't either. I'm using positive and negative because their impact isn't based on morality but can have an impact that is beneficial lifeforms, at large, or harmful.
Yeah, I didn't really think about that song but you are right! It does sound like Collective Consciousness! (edit): About why aeons are hot: No idea, but there are some that are just strange, like Nous 🤖
As stated in code geass, even if it's a similar statement to many others, "destructiom always comes before creation". Your theory is pretty good Even just in the trailer where the aeons are presented i was always more scared of xipe than of nanook😅
If you play Honkai Impact 3rd as well it's almost clear that Cocoon of Finality was sent to Earth by Xipe to Embrace the Humanity as the part of the Family. People tend to think about Terminus being the villain in HI3rd because of "Finality" part but Xipe and all this stuff about "Embracing Civilizations" is what really seems obvious and dangerous. Also Kafka said we will meet Nanook once and then "a battle of Aeonic proportins will begin". I think it may be battle together with Nanook versus Xipe. Maybe both Xipe and Nanook are going to die after that but it's actually hard to predict plot points from now.
The Cocoon of Finality was sent by the Honkai/Coordinator of Will, a force that comes from another universe beyond the Imaginary Tree. Since Xipe most likely comes from the Imaginary Tree, she can't be the one who sent the Cocoon of Finality.
Watching this as 2.0 is soon to release, and we have trailers of the Annihilation Gang, an ungazed-upon faction worshipping Nanook, looking to attack Penacony, the homeworld of the Family, and thus Harmony, it does kind of make you think
One of the memories bubble from herta, by your assumption I believe that’s true too because the person that are in harmony are very creepy and dangerous too
i am not sure i would describe Nanook and the Destruction as "our savior" but i think it might be a possibility that the Trailblazer/ the player character might become an Aeon who could defeat Nanook while standing as a a better, more palatable alternative to the Destruction perhaps, or something of the sort
an eon of "destruction" sounds so much like an easy evil cop-out that it's pretty obvious that there is something behind it - similarly to "harmony", on first glance it sounds way more good than bad. who doesnt want a little harmony in their life? especially when you compare them to the other eons and their ideals: hunt, preservation, the former eon of order - all of them have pretty neutral standings, both good and bad sides to them. so i'm very happy that destruction has security and free-will behind it other than just "evil" hope it ends well!
Interesting theory! I’m reminded of the Trailblazers ultimate in destruction form, “rules are made to be broken!” Perhaps Destruction and Freedom are intertwined.
Yeah this doesn't really fit. First of all Nanook is very disciplined and explicilty "loath" free spirited Anihilation Gang while his true followers the Anti-matter Legion is very disciplined. Even putting that aside, among Aeons there is lot of overlaps and opositons to point that separating them to directly connected duos is meaningless.
Also, may I add, that Blade may have some connection to Nanook. I'm aware he's working with the Stellaron Hunter's and he follows the Destruction path; but when he uses his Ultimate and the sword shatters he looks scarily like Nanook. The way the sword shatters and his eyes glow orange/yellow resembles very closely, to Nanook himself. I don't want to overcommit though and is just a neat observation.
If anyone is a fan of the Green Lantern comics, Xipe the Harmony gives me the same vibe as the Indigo Tribe. They both basically brainwash and are a force of…dubiously positive nature. In the green lantern universe, the indigo light of compassion is described as parasitic. And almost all the members of the indigo tribe are some of the worst criminals in the universe. The indigo rings of the tribe do not seek out and find worthy individuals like the other colors of the emotional spectrum, instead they are forcibly given to evil and corrupt beings devoid of compassion, and they FORCIBLY make that person experience compassion. This turns them from a criminal to a “good” person, but the ethics of such a lantern corp are…dubious at best
Great video but I'm so tired of seemingly every single fictional universe having a great entity who only focuses on keeping "balance". Yes, not vanquishing evil, or even being evil itself, but there's always the One person, the one god, the one entity who "sTriVes tO mAntAin bAlaNCe".
Evil and good are both human concepts, they are systems on which humanity functions, they do not exist outside of it. Now, remember that the Aeons do represent human born desires like the desire to Preserve, the desire Destroy, the desire to Treasure memories and whatever else. But Aeons embody a more extreme, primordial version of these. You could say that if there was ever the right version of them, they would represent it. An absolute one that does not take part in humanity's perspective of reality nor does it care, for humanity does not rule the universe, the universe rules them. In the end, nothing is evil or good and life has no meaning other than abolute infinity. The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path.
I'm not fond of just assuming that everyone working in harmony = everyone being exactly the same. Because it's essentially impossible for that to happen in the first place. You'd need to achieve a level of technology/state of being so powerful that every single living thing in the entire universe would bend to your exact will and never change. Take the Synthesis Ending in Mass Effect 3, sure it allows for true equality to be possible between organics and machines. But it doesn't automatically make it happen. Someone who is racist will still be racist. Someone who likes Violence will still like violence. The galaxy, despite being given the opportunity for a peace unlike any other, doesn't automatically make it happen. Also cooperation...can simply be a choice someone makes. Being given the opportunity for it isn't always a bad thing. And i'm not saying Harmony in this game is always a good thing either just that being a part of "the machine" doesn't always mean the absolute worst.
SPOILERS FOR THE FUTURE MARKET TRAILBLAZER QUEST Tbh when Aventurine stated at the end of the quest that the Family in Penacony is a bit unhinged, I feel like we're gonna be dealing with a cult-like community. Not to mention the flavor text in the loading screen, the people in the Family always praised their Aeon like a hivemind. Something tells me there's fishy business going on behind the "nice and wholesome" facade of Harmony. Btw apologies for the messy sentence structure, English is not my native language
I think we know too little about the origin of the stellarons to accurately predict their role in the story. But if we receive some new info about them, I'll definitly look into it
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@@garethcf1016mommy Tingyun come back pls
Xipe is definitely evil, she makes my harmony characters get attacked 24/7 and die, only a true evil being would treat their follower so badly, meanwhile nanook gave suitability to most of his characters (except dan heng and arlan i suppose)
Exactly! Praise Nanook the Destruction!
If it’s Tingyun, she’s lying about being a harmony
my bronya got targeted by imprisonment in moc
Preachers
Exactly! I swear, my Harmony characters are always targeted even if Blade is right there in my team
"Destruction may represent the freedom to follow no rules"
Me: "Rules are meant to be broken!"
U ain’t soul
My theory is that xipe has mind control, kinda like kafka but an aeon. I never understood how the family is from a prison planet.
The controller is equilibrium
Isn't Nanook the youngest Aeon? He seems very impactful despite that.
Yes, he is the youngest aeon (up until now anyways)
Age does not really determine power and scale. Look at propagation, they only lasted for a short while, but they left their mark. having to be killed by a team effort of aeons
I mean, Terminus might be the youngest by technicality? They live going backwards in time, so they were originally from the future moving to the past? Not particularly clear on that one.
@@fogofwaroneverest240Kinda weird. Terminus embodies the concept of Finality, he should be present at the end of the universe yet him going backward in time would contradict his own existence (as Aeon they literally can’t stray from their Path)
But if going backward in time doesn’t contradict Finality then their could be another reason, that the beginning and ending is the same. The universe is stuck in a cycle from creation and destruction as hoyoverse really love to invoke the concept of samsara throughout their games
If we continue this line of thought then, Qlipoth requires as a counterpart an Aeon equally as old if not older than them. My guess would be Terminus the Finality. We know next to nothing about them, and if I can take the liberty of assuming that the Cocoon of Finality from hi3 is an Emanator of Finality, then we can guess that Finality brings about the end of the universe (or galaxy, gotta take the mistranslations into consideration) and a samsara repeat.. This would lead to the logic that Qlipoth wishes to preserve this world as is, to no longer go through the suffering of End and Samsara. This line of thought also insinuates that the Preservation is a reaction to the Finality, not the other way around, but shhh don't let the IPC hear or else they'll-
That's a really interesting theory! I support it
Whats a samsara?
I quite disagree on this, rather than Terminus my guess was Oroboros. remember that Aeons had a war with the Leviathans during the dusk wars and Qlipoth was one of known Aeons who was present at the time and is building walls to prepare for the return of the "archnemesis"(most likely hinting a leviathan, and thats none other than Oroboros). Terminus is no doubt one of the oldest Aeons, but the couter to Oroboros is non other than Qlipoth.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 it's been a few days since I had that idea and I gotta say I agree with you. I've read some more in the meantime and Finality is pretty overtly paired with Order in some texts, and Oroboros was my second guess for Qlipoth's pair anyway. However, if Order and Finality are paired, this paints Xipe in a rather ominous light considering that they'd then be a (relatively) younger Aeon who absorbed a much, much older Aeon
@@st0rmX7 a samsara in buddhism is the cycle of life, death, and rebirth characteristic of all unenlightened living beings who have yet to achieve Nirvana. It's also a term mihoyo uses _a lot_ across all of their games to describe repeating cycles, like the samsara of Earth created by the Cocoon of Finality in hi3 or the Sabzeruz samsara in genshin
wow, you really managed to tie up the main points on the "swarm disaster lore dump", especially what we needed to learn from it before going to Penacony. As a Star Rail's lore hunter I very much appreciate it, so thank u very much for summarizing everything so briefly
Funny how all of this previous and current events are the results of Ho oh's Equilibrium and Terminus's whispers.
Will not tolerate slander against my Queen, Xipe! 😤😤😤
Dont forget the next trailblazer we get is imaginary harmony.
You sure its Harmony ?
Since when did it was confirm the next path is Harmony hmm? Leaks? At least take it with a grain of salt, mate.
Hunt is more likely bc they're still on the Xianzhou. Maybe unrelated but ppl say the LC on herta shop is the TB's signature lightcones. If that's true (I'd like that to be true), Hunt is next and Nihility as well. Also I want a hunt chracter bc Yanqing isn't for me lol
I do confirmed that I saw several leaks suggesting the next path we'll get will be, indeed, harmony. The imaginary part wasn't fully confirme. And we have nothing about Hunt path at all.
So it's still to take with a grain of salt and with a "trust me bro" kind of source. But since it's the only path leakers talked about, I think we can at least confirmed we won't get hunt next ~
@@mythril30 xianzhou is ended
I always had the thought that in penacony harmony was just taken to the extreme.
Isnt harmony basically the way of being together and working well despite the difference of elements?
That is what Harmomy should be, peaceful coexistence.
Like Tarrot cards, there's a positive and negative side to every Aeon. Since they relentlessly pursue their path, there's a tendency to overdo things and reach the negative.
@@wind64a39 there's neither a positive nor a negative side. Aeons are concepts, not fully sentient living creatures.
@@adriantepes4355 Tarrot Cards aren't either. I'm using positive and negative because their impact isn't based on morality but can have an impact that is beneficial lifeforms, at large, or harmful.
the best way to get people to work together is to take their free will away so they cant say otherwise
Okay yeah, You make a good point, but have you heard of our lord and savior, Yaoshi, The Abundance?
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wow, your explanation of Xipe reminds me of Collective Consciousness from MGR :D we all know how that ended
Great video as always!
(out of topic but why are the Aeons look so hot lmao)
Yeah, I didn't really think about that song but you are right! It does sound like Collective Consciousness! (edit): About why aeons are hot: No idea, but there are some that are just strange, like Nous 🤖
@@MrLoreAddictmeanwhile IX just looks like a sad blob ._.
@@yami7805 Yep they have no emotions whatsoever, probably not the most comfortable thing, being the Aeon of Nihility
Nah Nanook got this man at gunpoint ☠️☠️☠️
ok phantylia 🙄🙄
Xipe the Harmony always seemed kind of creepy to me. They remind me of the Borg.
Star trek?
@@normalpair yes
As stated in code geass, even if it's a similar statement to many others, "destructiom always comes before creation". Your theory is pretty good
Even just in the trailer where the aeons are presented i was always more scared of xipe than of nanook😅
Sounds like something a Nanook follower would say…
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Thank you so much! That truly means alot to me
Idunno...he attacked us on sight. Something about him punching my teeth down my throat doesn't feel like saving xD
In Sim Universe we're presented as Akivili, he didn't kill Trailblazer per se but rather an unfamiliar Aeon
@@haberkonium No I get that but I’ve read his lore a bit, he’ll throat punch us just because. He doesn’t need a reason.
@@lafayettesjournal Bro must wake up on the wrong side of the bed every day for real. Honestly I'm stoked for more insight into the Aeons
I mean, would you expect anything less from the aeon of fucking destruction?
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If you play Honkai Impact 3rd as well it's almost clear that Cocoon of Finality was sent to Earth by Xipe to Embrace the Humanity as the part of the Family. People tend to think about Terminus being the villain in HI3rd because of "Finality" part but Xipe and all this stuff about "Embracing Civilizations" is what really seems obvious and dangerous.
Also Kafka said we will meet Nanook once and then "a battle of Aeonic proportins will begin". I think it may be battle together with Nanook versus Xipe. Maybe both Xipe and Nanook are going to die after that but it's actually hard to predict plot points from now.
Idt Xipe would be one to let Honkai affect the worlds but for HooH it's not a far-fetched possibility
The Cocoon of Finality was sent by the Honkai/Coordinator of Will, a force that comes from another universe beyond the Imaginary Tree. Since Xipe most likely comes from the Imaginary Tree, she can't be the one who sent the Cocoon of Finality.
@@-Luocha- it's from GGZ, not Honkai Impact. Coordinator only exists in GGZ.
@@adriantepes4355 it's not about the power, it's about motivation. Cocoon in HI3rd wanted just a unified civilization, not destruction or equilibrium.
@@lKeKeKel Equilibrium in this sense isn't different from what Honkai is at all. HooH rewrites and deletes whatever he wants for the sake of balance
Watching this as 2.0 is soon to release, and we have trailers of the Annihilation Gang, an ungazed-upon faction worshipping Nanook, looking to attack Penacony, the homeworld of the Family, and thus Harmony, it does kind of make you think
this sounds like a follower of destruction path would say
We got a lord ravaged in the making right here
One of the memories bubble from herta, by your assumption I believe that’s true too because the person that are in harmony are very creepy and dangerous too
i am not sure i would describe Nanook and the Destruction as "our savior" but i think it might be a possibility that the Trailblazer/ the player character might become an Aeon who could defeat Nanook while standing as a a better, more palatable alternative to the Destruction perhaps, or something of the sort
I Truly wonder What Topaz will say about the Family and Penacony at the end of this Belobog Arc.
an eon of "destruction" sounds so much like an easy evil cop-out that it's pretty obvious that there is something behind it - similarly to "harmony", on first glance it sounds way more good than bad. who doesnt want a little harmony in their life?
especially when you compare them to the other eons and their ideals: hunt, preservation, the former eon of order - all of them have pretty neutral standings, both good and bad sides to them. so i'm very happy that destruction has security and free-will behind it other than just "evil" hope it ends well!
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Interesting theory! I’m reminded of the Trailblazers ultimate in destruction form, “rules are made to be broken!” Perhaps Destruction and Freedom are intertwined.
So Xipe is the Borg and Nanook is Captain Picard.
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Yeah this doesn't really fit. First of all Nanook is very disciplined and explicilty "loath" free spirited Anihilation Gang while his true followers the Anti-matter Legion is very disciplined. Even putting that aside, among Aeons there is lot of overlaps and opositons to point that separating them to directly connected duos is meaningless.
Xipe itself was said to be born from a multitude of Aeons of closely related paths
so basically nanook destroys everything before theyre absorbed in xipes hivemind😂
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First time hearing Caitlyn's theme in years
Yes destruction is also connected with the freedom how you proof that simple.
He not follow the rules. Which create a paths.
And I guess you choose the freedom to not use proper grammar.
why would Harmony be attracted to prison
I picture that one video of prisoners in Philippines or something dancing to hare hare yukai
Also, may I add, that Blade may have some connection to Nanook. I'm aware he's working with the Stellaron Hunter's and he follows the Destruction path; but when he uses his Ultimate and the sword shatters he looks scarily like Nanook. The way the sword shatters and his eyes glow orange/yellow resembles very closely, to Nanook himself.
I don't want to overcommit though and is just a neat observation.
Xipe never do that to nanook
If anyone is a fan of the Green Lantern comics, Xipe the Harmony gives me the same vibe as the Indigo Tribe. They both basically brainwash and are a force of…dubiously positive nature. In the green lantern universe, the indigo light of compassion is described as parasitic. And almost all the members of the indigo tribe are some of the worst criminals in the universe. The indigo rings of the tribe do not seek out and find worthy individuals like the other colors of the emotional spectrum, instead they are forcibly given to evil and corrupt beings devoid of compassion, and they FORCIBLY make that person experience compassion. This turns them from a criminal to a “good” person, but the ethics of such a lantern corp are…dubious at best
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Pretty amazing lore convincing mr lore man
Yeah, it's just a hive mind.
Great video but I'm so tired of seemingly every single fictional universe having a great entity who only focuses on keeping "balance". Yes, not vanquishing evil, or even being evil itself, but there's always the One person, the one god, the one entity who "sTriVes tO mAntAin bAlaNCe".
Well, excessive everything is bad, even good ones once abused will turn into a bad thing. So we must maintain balance. Equilibrium
Evil and good are both human concepts, they are systems on which humanity functions, they do not exist outside of it. Now, remember that the Aeons do represent human born desires like the desire to Preserve, the desire Destroy, the desire to Treasure memories and whatever else. But Aeons embody a more extreme, primordial version of these. You could say that if there was ever the right version of them, they would represent it. An absolute one that does not take part in humanity's perspective of reality nor does it care, for humanity does not rule the universe, the universe rules them. In the end, nothing is evil or good and life has no meaning other than abolute infinity. The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path, The Nihility is the only path.
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I'm not fond of just assuming that everyone working in harmony = everyone being exactly the same. Because it's essentially impossible for that to happen in the first place.
You'd need to achieve a level of technology/state of being so powerful that every single living thing in the entire universe would bend to your exact will and never change.
Take the Synthesis Ending in Mass Effect 3, sure it allows for true equality to be possible between organics and machines. But it doesn't automatically make it happen. Someone who is racist will still be racist. Someone who likes Violence will still like violence. The galaxy, despite being given the opportunity for a peace unlike any other, doesn't automatically make it happen.
Also cooperation...can simply be a choice someone makes. Being given the opportunity for it isn't always a bad thing. And i'm not saying Harmony in this game is always a good thing either just that being a part of "the machine" doesn't always mean the absolute worst.
SPOILERS FOR THE FUTURE MARKET TRAILBLAZER QUEST
Tbh when Aventurine stated at the end of the quest that the Family in Penacony is a bit unhinged, I feel like we're gonna be dealing with a cult-like community. Not to mention the flavor text in the loading screen, the people in the Family always praised their Aeon like a hivemind. Something tells me there's fishy business going on behind the "nice and wholesome" facade of Harmony. Btw apologies for the messy sentence structure, English is not my native language
what about stellarons? how would those items that destroy worlds play in your theory?
I think we know too little about the origin of the stellarons to accurately predict their role in the story.
But if we receive some new info about them, I'll definitly look into it
Harmony trailblazer ❤
I have no respect for someone that talks like a Skaven
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GO- I MEAN, NANOOK!
Will we get nanook as a fire destruction carácter
Never. Aeons can not be playable lore wise
i did not watch the video (sorry) but what if abundance is evil i mean they kinda killed tingyun lol
nah Nanook is dumb