@@mrheckles6076 I would. I think I'd rather earn decent money and have a lot of people validating me than be very rich and unknown. Most of my childhood I was the guy who didn't make friends easily but was a tryhard, so that's why.
@@mrheckles6076 who the fuck cares about followers on Instagram. Oh Wait, there are people which work on that platform and are making profit like TH-cam
Takeaways : 1. Finding other places to package ML system is more impactful than optimising the existing components over and over. 2. Pitfall : Focusing too much on academic research for business problem, lots of literatures are not reproducible. 3. Finding a way to apply ML to business is difficult, so it must be worth it and we need to define the right pipelines from training to model optimization. 4. Do not focusing on the ML, focusing on the solution of the business. 5. Solve repetitive problem with human first, then use simple heuristics, then improve the accuracy with ML. 6. Do not focusing on the technology, iterate fast on business problems. 7. Pitfall : Trying to solve too much with ML. Focus on the most important part that can be solved with ML. Dear Joma, I cannot be more thankful for this interview. This kind of interview is incredibly inspiring and valuable. I wish you can make lots of interview like this which focuses on the business/product aspects. We already have tons of material on ML, AI, Coding, Devops blabla. What we need are the WHY and HOW (to be rich like your brother). thankyou thankyou thankyou.....
This is a really high-quality interview. Probably because it's between two very intelligent and clued-up technical and business people. Thank you Joma and brother, David.
The company was sold for 60 million and his brother wasn’t the founder. Early stage non founder employees definitely have less than 2-3% equity. EDIT: It seems some people are saying he was 1 of 5 founders. However, we need to remember that they raised a pre-seed/seed round for probably around 5-25% of their company. Still a lot of money, but just trying to make sure people understand startup equity.
Pretty amazing. Lisa is basically a one-stop interactive AI system. It actually could be fitting all the fields and doesn't need to be just for the real state.
@@nnmartin94 Being intelligent is charismatic, but he doesn't come off as pretentious. He just seems matter of fact, and he doesn't try to dominate and teach. The success definitely gives credibility to his intelligence though.
6:45 --> So true! Models are useless if cannot perform in a Production environment. Encountered this several times as a PM. I predict that eventually there will be an open source framework that will help integrating the Data Science (models) with the Data engineering part of it (infrastructure)
Working as a ML specialist at a small startup, this was definitely inspiring. And it made me feel less shitty about the simple solutions I have come up with for the company so far, lol
lvl1 practitioner of X: "have you thought about using X for problem?!" lvl2: "here's how you an still do X, but it's probably not needed" lvl3: "have you thought of NOT using X?"
A big part of ML engineering is "production-izing" the model - taking a model you learned and tested in development, and integrating it into whatever system or application you've created. Bonus points if you create a production system that allows you to A/B test different models against each other live in production in a statistically significant way.
Incredibly insightful. I hope I'll be able to remember everything covered in this interview. If I do, I'm sure this'll help shape the rest of my career.
I really liked David's wisdom there. Everyone is trying to fit models but not spending any thought to solve a problem in the real-world with a holistic approach. Bravo:)
8:15 Joma: "Maybe not everything should use blockchain technology" Also Joma: Creates an entire cinematic universe surrounding eccentric CEOs trying to integrate blockchain into window blinds and shades. Coincidence? I think not!
Yo your brother is speaking facts. Everyone is worried about building the model and not feature engineering. Majority of the time your messing with the data pipeline but people don’t wanna hear that
I agree with Joma's brother. In the corporate world of data science, you don't really get time to do the "fun staff" of ML/AI as you have deadlines and projects to deliver. You are way more concern about the results/value and not the maths/algos. Things they don't teach at school! great video btw!
You look much better than few months during your job searching. Preparing for interviews when I know nothing about algorithms is so stressing😭 I feel you man.
So ML increases user-readiness for the final product and that involves full project management with various focuses activated simultaneously... it's not all sitting and doing the obvious coding work, anymore... and he thinks that's the fun. He likes doing all the busywork to define the existing infrastructure. Most engineers don't see the gold in being like that, probably because they're impatient. They'd rather lose sleep optimizing components with no confirmed demand because then you look amazing instantly. Loved the visual accompaniment. I'll miss these videos.
I've watched this video for about three times and now this the fourth time. Is just make me feel ready to get into tech industry but unfortunately I drop out from college due for my language skills at that time. Never give up.
As someone who is working with Machine Learning for my university's final year project this is so interesting and has certainly got me focusing on the right idea. Thank you so much for publishing this
What do you study? I'm doing robotic engineering and would love to do that! But I dont know if I have (or could develop) the skills to be able to do my final year project with machine learning.
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. Business opportunities are like buses, there’s always another one coming.
Talking about opportunities investing in crypto currency now should be in every wise individuals list. In two to three years time you might be estactic with the decision made today
I read most of the comments but didn't see anyone comparing them to Sherlock and Mycroft. It really looked like Sherlock interviewing his brother on a case he's solving.
This interview gave me inspiration on how we should interact with users such as not answering quickly to maintain the conversation. Every ML engineer should apply that when building an ux-friendly chatbot.
Great interview. It's cool to see two really smart people who are comfortable with each other discussing technical topics. 👍 Also, this really reminds me of how much I've wasted my life. 😑
I'm curious about the business side of things. Did they raise funds to start their biz and to also pay themselves while building the company? How were they able to sustain themselves while working on the biz? And were they all sharing the same apartment in the meantime? Some things that we don't learn in school or online platforms that would give some good insights for people.
apart from money or popularity things..being an engineer is already brilliant and prestigious, especially in computer field, your knowledge and skill are be able to shape the technology advancement that other profession cannot do. most job science and social need computer and technology
Why are all the comments glorifying David's financial success and teasing Joma? Why is money so important to all of you people? David even talks how, even being an ML engineer, he doesn't really get to play with fun ML stuff because of the business part of the system. I'm pretty sure ML researchers enjoy their work much more than an average engineer working on data pipelines.
man this was a proper tech interview ......way better than those interviews which media channels conduct like how did you achieve this at such a young age or do you want to beat facebook or google(blah blah blah).....
Joma's brother seems like a guy that can scold people if you messed up a little problem, the face seems like a person that doesn't like small mistakes over and over again, I kinda know those people
No wonder why Joma is always depressed, his brother is just too OP lmao
He has a TH-cam channel with more than 300.000 subscribers. Maybe he is not rich as the brother but surely is not for everyone 😉
@@Soulcybering Who the fuck cares about subs on youtube lol
@@mrheckles6076 I would. I think I'd rather earn decent money and have a lot of people validating me than be very rich and unknown. Most of my childhood I was the guy who didn't make friends easily but was a tryhard, so that's why.
@@mrheckles6076 who the fuck cares about followers on Instagram. Oh Wait, there are people which work on that platform and are making profit like TH-cam
@@cucicearoland5949 i''d be super rich and unknown everyday than a social media influencer. Real money > fake fame
Joma gets less goofy and show-offy around his brilliant, serious brother.
His mother must be really proud of his older brother. Too bad @jomatech
@@fiveyearold Lmao
@@fiveyearold Oh man you are Dick :O
You forgot "SUCCESSFUL" as well!
@@ITPCD bro what is wrong with you. What a horrible thing to say.
Takeaways :
1. Finding other places to package ML system is more impactful than optimising the existing components over and over.
2. Pitfall : Focusing too much on academic research for business problem, lots of literatures are not reproducible.
3. Finding a way to apply ML to business is difficult, so it must be worth it and we need to define the right pipelines from training to model optimization.
4. Do not focusing on the ML, focusing on the solution of the business.
5. Solve repetitive problem with human first, then use simple heuristics, then improve the accuracy with ML.
6. Do not focusing on the technology, iterate fast on business problems.
7. Pitfall : Trying to solve too much with ML. Focus on the most important part that can be solved with ML.
Dear Joma, I cannot be more thankful for this interview. This kind of interview is incredibly inspiring and valuable. I wish you can make lots of interview like this which focuses on the business/product aspects. We already have tons of material on ML, AI, Coding, Devops blabla. What we need are the WHY and HOW (to be rich like your brother). thankyou thankyou thankyou.....
Great summary!
Great! Thanks for the summary!
Excellent application of design thinking process
Leg.
what is the meaning of point 1 actually? does it mean something like finding every possible place where we could implement ML system in our program?
Sasuke and Itachi in the tech clan
reinard joseph TRUE
@@m8ur882 That means, one killed his whole family, right?
@@testplmnb yup he didn't think this through before posting. Not a trve otaku
lol
more like ray starling and shu starling from infinite dendrogram
This is a really high-quality interview.
Probably because it's between two very intelligent and clued-up technical and business people.
Thank you Joma and brother, David.
Chad programmer vs virgin youtuber
Lmao
oww...Ouch!
LoooOoooL
Joma obliterated by youtube comment. How can he even get over this?
You guys are just jealous
Your brother's advice on doing stuff manually and only later on automating something is great advice for pre-seed startups. Thank you very much!
Good show. One thing I didn’t like was the sudden increase volume of music background
It applies to everything really, especially in the world of engineering. Try to get a POC as fast possible, then refine it and automate it.
Dad: hi son, how's life? are you success yet? did you hear that your brother just earn $60M?
The company was sold for 60 million and his brother wasn’t the founder. Early stage non founder employees definitely have less than 2-3% equity.
EDIT:
It seems some people are saying he was 1 of 5 founders. However, we need to remember that they raised a pre-seed/seed round for probably around 5-25% of their company. Still a lot of money, but just trying to make sure people understand startup equity.
@@isaacjfung I mean that still is a lot of money
@@jayska5802 Yeah, just making sure people understand how startup equity works.
more like 12 million.
The company sold for 60M, after taxes he probably had a clean million, depending on the equity distribution.
Sold company for 60 mill
*not a piece of designer clothing in sight*
goals honestly
@@dotinsideacircle I bet he's more working than flashing brand clothing on human retinas.
When you have money you don’t need too
Real talk though, most no-named brands have better looking pieces. All the price is is just the name lul...I guess material quality too.
You don't know enough about clothing to make that judgement.
@@dotinsideacircle dawg Kia stinger is kinda dope
He answered all my questions on Twitter!! I'm so humbled!!!!
These guys act like Buisness partners not brothers
In chinese, there is brother in business..
There is no family in bussiness
You got all that from this video? Joma keeping it professional
It's an asian thing. These traditional family cultures and heightened expectations, are nothing short of ruthless.
gmshadowtraders I disagree even I was surprised by their conversation like I thought it was more like an American thing & definitely not asian
This is your best Interview yet.
I really like this much more chill kind of atmosphere
This interview is brilliant! The best realistic discussion on the use of real world ML that I’ve heard. David is awesome.
Joma is acting like he’s never seen his brother before.
@@goldengriffon ah yes since he was a child he was always working on his business
@@stevenr3544 while the rest of us were playing with legos in recess his brother was assembling data sets to train his ML algorithms
@@GoScience123 Yes. Playing with legos definetly not eating em.
Like a stranger ha ha
lol
how happy to see own brother doing so well in life!
Joma low key richer than tech lead by association now.
Pretty amazing. Lisa is basically a one-stop interactive AI system. It actually could be fitting all the fields and doesn't need to be just for the real state.
I could definitely use it for scheduling tours
David seems like calmer and less arrogant Steven Jobbs. No wonder he was so successful.
just high IQ things~
please never stop making videos man
i m a computer science student and i get motivated whenever i see your videos
how you doing now?
@@GauravK_ Doing good. Graduated with CS Degree. Working as a SWE at a automation multinational company in Pakistan.
The coolest guy on the internet
And Joma
David is a vibe. He seems calming.
Of course you think that, he has money lol. Without money he's boring.
@@nnmartin94 wow so bill gates is boring w/o money :)))
Don't doubt his vibe!
@@nnmartin94 so true lmaooo
@@nnmartin94 Being intelligent is charismatic, but he doesn't come off as pretentious. He just seems matter of fact, and he doesn't try to dominate and teach. The success definitely gives credibility to his intelligence though.
You could tell His brother is a genius. 🧠 gives off that “Brilliant” vibe.
6:45 --> So true! Models are useless if cannot perform in a Production environment. Encountered this several times as a PM. I predict that eventually there will be an open source framework that will help integrating the Data Science (models) with the Data engineering part of it (infrastructure)
Working as a ML specialist at a small startup, this was definitely inspiring. And it made me feel less shitty about the simple solutions I have come up with for the company so far, lol
lvl1 practitioner of X: "have you thought about using X for problem?!"
lvl2: "here's how you an still do X, but it's probably not needed"
lvl3: "have you thought of NOT using X?"
This guy is funny as hell in the ending when plugging his twitter.
His brother sat with perfect posture throughout the entire interview.
A big part of ML engineering is "production-izing" the model - taking a model you learned and tested in development, and integrating it into whatever system or application you've created. Bonus points if you create a production system that allows you to A/B test different models against each other live in production in a statistically significant way.
*You should do a video with your parents. They must be proud!*
Yeah proud of his brother not JOMA lool
@@PacMan755 joma gets away from it if he's the youngest of the siblings. That's always the case. No need to be the star just be the baby.
They're both obviously very smart but his brother sounds extremely intelligent. Inspirational fs
If you're a budding entrepreneur, this video is gold - Lots of tips, how to stay focused on the outcome than premature optimizing. Cheers.
Joma don't goooo, we need more of these interviews :(
Amazing interview! *I feel lucky to have come across this!* 🙌😊📚🤩
Incredibly insightful. I hope I'll be able to remember everything covered in this interview. If I do, I'm sure this'll help shape the rest of my career.
“I was a researcher bla bla bla “ nothing hit my heart so fast.
This interview shed light on a lot of questions for me. Great advice! Thank you!
Wow this is an incredible interview and video thank you so much for this! You and your brother are awesome!
Broo please put your interview on Spotify as podcasts so I can just easily listen to them offline when communing ❤️
Simone zanetti You can already do that with TH-cam red. Couldn’t imagine not having it
These dudes are Savage's, they keep their employees under 30, sell for 60m, quickly.
like making an object, making it look and do good. mold then sell, then make something new.
I really liked David's wisdom there. Everyone is trying to fit models but not spending any thought to solve a problem in the real-world with a holistic approach. Bravo:)
Joma's brother is so cool man.
Thanks for doing the show! Great inspirations!
26:00 Joma: " are u guys hiring (pointing himself) "
Then goes on to interview the 'could be' boss.
To which David reply: "yes, we need GOOD engineers" closing definitely the conversation 😂🤣
8:15 Joma: "Maybe not everything should use blockchain technology"
Also Joma: Creates an entire cinematic universe surrounding eccentric CEOs trying to integrate blockchain into window blinds and shades.
Coincidence? I think not!
Fascinating conversation. Thank you
super valuable interview... wish you just did more of these types of interviews, extremely motivating
Yo your brother is speaking facts. Everyone is worried about building the model and not feature engineering. Majority of the time your messing with the data pipeline but people don’t wanna hear that
I loved the question you asked him on how LISA actually works. Gave me some ideas on how to explain the interactions in the app am working on.
I agree with Joma's brother. In the corporate world of data science, you don't really get time to do the "fun staff" of ML/AI as you have deadlines and projects to deliver. You are way more concern about the results/value and not the maths/algos. Things they don't teach at school! great video btw!
You look much better than few months during your job searching. Preparing for interviews when I know nothing about algorithms is so stressing😭 I feel you man.
Aww hope you can overcome the situation, ♥
So ML increases user-readiness for the final product and that involves full project management with various focuses activated simultaneously... it's not all sitting and doing the obvious coding work, anymore... and he thinks that's the fun. He likes doing all the busywork to define the existing infrastructure. Most engineers don't see the gold in being like that, probably because they're impatient. They'd rather lose sleep optimizing components with no confirmed demand because then you look amazing instantly. Loved the visual accompaniment. I'll miss these videos.
Very good points made by the interviewee!
Very good diagram!! Made it easy to understand overview of LISA!
Thanks, I worked hard on that
Your brother is very humble about his intelligence
Close your eyes and he sounds like Elon Musk slightly 😂😂😂
So fing trueeeee
LoL ya you wish
More than slightly
Yoooo so true
Talking like that is the key to success aparently
He’s so adorable 🥰 omg I hope Joma does more interviews with him.
more like rich
How do you call an adult male adorable ?
I've watched this video for about three times and now this the fourth time. Is just make me feel ready to get into tech industry but unfortunately I drop out from college due for my language skills at that time. Never give up.
good luck
As someone who is working with Machine Learning for my university's final year project this is so interesting and has certainly got me focusing on the right idea. Thank you so much for publishing this
What do you study? I'm doing robotic engineering and would love to do that! But I dont know if I have (or could develop) the skills to be able to do my final year project with machine learning.
Dang, he’s living the dream
I hopefully i’ll be hired for his company in the next 5 years, this video make my try hard to learn more python packages
A humble Super Nerdy ML Engineer..
A great interview. After watching it, I subscribed your channel. Thanks, Hope to see something like this more...
2 brothers who are so alike is rare
Who would win?
TechLead or Joma's brotha'?
TH-cam
Code Destiny well played
Ron Davin Divina Joma’s brother...
Their bank account
The guy who fired the Techlead
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THUMBNAIL CONTENT AT THE BEGINNING. THIS MOVE MAKES ME WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. Business opportunities are like buses, there’s always another one coming.
Talking about opportunities investing in crypto currency now should be in every wise individuals list. In two to three years time you might be estactic with the decision made today
It’s fortunate that many of us are still confused about crypto currency while others are busy earning from it
@@trishaelba1872 Is never stressful when you're guided by a pro
I remember friends calling me crazy when I started investing in bitcoin now I shut them up with my 4 figures weekly returns.
Thanks so much to Ma'am Diana Lucy for introducing and making me believe in crypto
Your bro seems to be being a good Guy, props to your parents for two Great children
Joma’s bro: had a start up sold for 60M
Joma: we still don’t know what happened to NOTVINE!
😂
WHEN IS HE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT
Epic 😂😂
I read most of the comments but didn't see anyone comparing them to Sherlock and Mycroft. It really looked like Sherlock interviewing his brother on a case he's solving.
Would definitely pay to learn more about the components and processes that he found helpful when building for existing products.
This interview gave me inspiration on how we should interact with users such as not answering quickly to maintain the conversation. Every ML engineer should apply that when building an ux-friendly chatbot.
Great interview. It's cool to see two really smart people who are comfortable with each other discussing technical topics. 👍
Also, this really reminds me of how much I've wasted my life. 😑
It's been a year. Let me guess, another year wasted?
@@veedoto6109 lmao
@@veedoto6109 god damn
Brother, that video was a gold mine , hats off & thank you.
I'm curious about the business side of things. Did they raise funds to start their biz and to also pay themselves while building the company? How were they able to sustain themselves while working on the biz? And were they all sharing the same apartment in the meantime? Some things that we don't learn in school or online platforms that would give some good insights for people.
Joma's brother is his best interview yet.
Seeing Joma being serious is funny 😂😂😂
This guy is the true real guy who gives insights of the industry.
13:51 Maybe show dark interface!
Very cool interview, really informative, thank you!
I have an internship interview coming up and the insight at 7:15 will come in very handy. Thank you
@@straightbussin They got accepted
Just wanna say this is absolutely true, in my 3 years of experience for companies like Adobe, you have to do it all, and you have to start simple.
why you don't hire the Techlead, oh wait! he will ask for a 1million bucks as his salary x)
Wrong, I only want $500-600k. It's not that much.
@@TechLead Hahahahaha! such a contented man..
@@TechLead how long do you spend trawling youtube to find comments mentioning you?
@@zacharyevans2239 less than you crawling youtube to find people to hate on.
Zachary Evans probably made a program to look for his name lmao
Thats inspirational man
Much appreciated
13:51 caught that small detail :3
apart from money or popularity things..being an engineer is already brilliant and prestigious, especially in computer field, your knowledge and skill are be able to shape the technology advancement that other profession cannot do. most job science and social need computer and technology
Every video that I watch of Joma is lit af
This is really informative, thanks. No boasting, just real information and facts.
I am building a similar startup as your brother before he pivoted :D The Dream is still alive :)
great interview loved the break down of the product amazing
So cute. He’s so proud of his brother
Why are all the comments glorifying David's financial success and teasing Joma?
Why is money so important to all of you people?
David even talks how, even being an ML engineer, he doesn't really get to play with fun ML stuff because of the business part of the system.
I'm pretty sure ML researchers enjoy their work much more than an average engineer working on data pipelines.
Really appreciate the honesty, instead of usual AI hype
man this was a proper tech interview ......way better than those interviews which media channels conduct like how did you achieve this at such a young age or do you want to beat facebook or google(blah blah blah).....
Your parents must be so proud of your brother!
This was very valuable! Awesome job!
So cute, the way you respect your brother, i wish i had one only two sisters :ccc, a big brother would mean everything to me lawl
dawgie aw
Dang I think his brother is our ultimate goal...
For next business idea after selling Lisa AI: Make AI against Lisa, for people.
Joma's brother seems like a guy that can scold people if you messed up a little problem, the face seems like a person that doesn't like small mistakes over and over again, I kinda know those people
13:51 "maybe show dark interface"
Finally you are back, man , keep checking you everyday!!!!!