“Now, I’ve never done any tests to know exactly how sharply certain trucks turn...” I seem to recall a little test you conducted with a piece of chalk. Indys vs Krux!!
To all you ACE lovers out there: If you skate an 8.5” deck and can’t decide between getting 44’s (8.375”) or 55’s (9.0”) I’d highly suggest the 44’s. The trick is putting 3 or 4 washers on the inside between the hangar and the bearing and no washer between the axle nut and other bearing. By doing this you make your wheels stick out to the SAME EXACT WIDTH as any 8.5” truck like Indy & Thunder 149’s. This was a true life saver for me to be able to skate Aces on an 8.5” deck. Ace for life! Try it out & thank me later! 😂
Thanks for the info. I was only able to get Ace 55s before and on my 8.5" Andrew Brophy Girl deck and 54mm 101A wheels I had no issues. I guess I'll have to try your trick on a 9.25" or wider deck w/ my Ace 55s.
@@ginafrazier5408 Dumb question coming up. Is your 8.5" deck more narrow at the truck bolts? I've seen that with some other decks. 8.5" wide at it's widest point but close to 8" at the nose/tail.
@@TheReal_DeanDwell I mean it seems different at the bolts but I dont pay attention but it can't be different bc then the trucks wouldn't be able to go on so nah
I modified my ace 55's with some krux downlow kingpins and some bones bushings. I epoxied the nut into the baseplate so it works well, my favorite trucks now .
Yeah man you should get back to it. Even if it's just rolling around the flats. I just started skating again after 13 years off the board, 33 years old, damn it's fun! Don't have many of the old tricks but I'm getting warmed up again.
I just recently got a set of Tensors to try and I'm happy. I had to get used to them and I changed bushings, but I like them. They grind smooth and turn quick, even with Bones hard bushings. I tried my norm, Bones mediums, but they were too soft for these trucks, my weight and the wheels, I guess. My previous trucks were Indy 129s with Bones mediums under a locally pressed Local5 7.75. The new Tensors are under an 8" Creature.
I bought the Tensor Mag lights 6 weeks ago and the back truck baseplate completely broke off while I was doing switch Ollies. I only Ollied a 4 Stair a few times so no high impact stuff. The trucks are super light and help with flip tricks but wouldn't recommend for anything high impact or if u want the truck to last u a long time. Tensor's warranty customer service is also terrible compared to Indy's. They asked me for a pic which I sent and I've been waiting 2 days for a response...
Sk8 4Life glad to hear you like them. I snagged a brand new SET of regular alloy on eBay for $16. $8 a truck is unreal value. I’ve heard mixed things about Tensor but have high hopes for them. Always wanted to try them out.
I just got a pair of these trucks with a 8.38 board, super reds and 56mm wheels and risers, and holy it feels soo smooth to ride. I’m starting to think why I even rode 8.0 and low trucks.
deedz and jacopo ride ace, amazing street skills, deedz is so surfy, ronnie and oski, two of the best transition guys ride ace and they look so smooth and surfy. i was like damn, so i bought a pair of 44s to try but haven't been able to really try them cuz i rolled my ankle, but i was really surprised how tight are, the bushings are wider than indie and thunder but i bet after breaking them in they'll be nice. they seem like good trucks but without really riding them yet, my biggest complaint is the sizes. i like an 8.5 with 159s. i wish ace made a size in the middle of the 44s and 55s.
Oddly enough I watch your videos to relax and I usually skate shortly afterwards. But I would like to see your review of Tensor Mag Light Reg ATGs. Cheers mate.
I'm skating them now but had to swap out the baseplate for an indy forged bc they were just too light. I think the combination of magnesium alloy and hollow axles makes them feel and sound flimsy... I think i would prefer a solid axle or aluminium hangar to bring em closer too 300g. I like the stability and turning on em. Stock bushings didn't work for me. Got bones hards in now.
on indy 159's right now but was going to try out ace 55's for my next truck. I'm not too picky so won't matter too much to me just want to switch it up and ace 55's look super rad like mini indy 215's
I'm glad you did another review on these. I love Ace, but I keep switching back to Thunder. Another great new designed truck is the new Destructos Team Lights. They have a really low kingpin clearance and the hanger looks pretty like Ace hangers and grind like butter also. Whats great about the Destructos is they set a hair back than ace. Kinda between ace and indy so you get the sharp turn with these as well. I wish to see a review on the Destructo team lights at some time. Thanks for the vids Ben.
roboliño schmidt They’re pretty good. They slide better than normal STFs & work better for people like me who skate street in a place with rougher roads & chipped sidewalks. It’s hard for me to explain, but they just work for me. EDIT: I think Ben might have made a video talking about them more in depth. I recommend watching that video, because I suck at talking about this shit. haha
@@BrandonBowditch haha..thanks dude..i just saw that ben did a vid about it...I bought then today and gonna ride test them the next days...have a nice day
@@anyramone I skate my trucks how they come and I tried every truck companies out there. I'm skating a pair of Ace Trucks with my nine inch board and a pair of Indys for my eight point five board.
really excited about the new models, hope they stick to the stage3 model and dont get any bigger wings..just need some inverted kingpins and 6hole baseplates and they are perfect. Also, ACE come with a Top 91a bushing and a bottom 86a one, thats also one of the reasons they turn so good and you shouldnt swap them out. Also, please do a FILM trucks review. (from what i hear & see they are a mix of indy\ace\grind king)
I want to see him do Tensor ATG Mag lights. I think he might be surprised by how good they are, and also since he's a truck nerd they're far and away the lightest truck out there. Even the crazy ass $250 axle-less Theeves are like 30 grams heavier. Also if anyone is interested in Destructos they're really good (at least in my opinion), but just know that there's significant differences between the D1 and D2. D1 is a higher truck with a ton of kingpin clearance, barrel/cone bushing setup and a surfier turn, so if you're an Indy guy that's probably going to be what you like. D2 is a little lower, has less clearance, has a bit of a more responsive turn, cone/cone bushings, and pushes the axles out a bit more so it's probably better suited for people who ride Thunders. As for royals.... the less said the better. They're one of the only trucks I flat out won't ride ever again.
@J. Mtz I don't think they even still make Phantoms and they never made them bigger than 7.75 so highly doubt he's going to review a 7.75 truck. I'll give you the review for free though - they fucking suck.
like what you said: I love the way the alloy grinds. Although the 55s will jacknife if you're not careful when you're going at speed if you ride them super loose. lose trucks save lives but they may also break your collar bone. If the wheelbase was slightly longer or the same as an indy with that indy pop I love, they would be perfect for me. but, oh well.
Best trucks, my bushing felt great after an hour or so. I also believe if you can do a trick, you can do it on any set up. But it is a fact that ace turn and grind better than any trucks, look how many guys are riding them after being with indy for years. I've converted a few friends aswel, it's about time skateboarders start giving other things a chance and get out of their die hard brand loyalty craze
@@terrFW nope, I've only grown fonder of them over the years. I'll never go back to indys of that I'm sure. please take the chance and try some, as I say I think skaters need to start branching out rather than just riding what the majority tell them to when it's facts that over the last few years indys have gotten so bad in quality.
Thinking about Max Palmer's setup every time you mention the twitchy feel lol, or Deedz, I feel like these trucks are great but only if you're a loose madman like those guys, either way i am interested...
It's just so much fun watching your videos :) i just really got into skating and im enjoing some honest skating...so your channel is perfect :) lotta support from germany 🇩🇪
Why the aluminum? If he's going to do Tensors he might as well do the Mag Lights. Same truck just way lighter, and I can almost guarantee he would nerd out about the weight.
I tried the mag lights and they sucked within a week i split the hanger in half i skate Indys but i want to try the tensor aluminum but there are no good reviews on them
Hi Ben:) and thank you for this truck review! I like your extras demos, your wheelings are great and its nice to see a session with your friends. You look like an expert and I suppose you helped us to discover things we ignored since we started skating long ago. Thank you for your humour "take it easy guys.." and for your faith in skateboarding 👍👏
I think quality control is a big negative what comes to Aces. I had these for two months and the axle bent. Also have heard lot of people getting axle slips. They grind down kinda fast too due to metal being so soft. Great feeling truck but i wanna be sure that my truck can take a beating and Indy and Thunder have not failed me lately.
From the whisperings I've been hearing that's one of the things they're looking to address in the new model. I just hope they keep the 8.35 axle length because I've grown very fond of it on 8.25 decks.
@@tuplahaukat I heard 8.5, so I guess they're probably switching over to standard sizes and its both. Too bad, I really like that size because I ride a lot of 8.38 and its perfect. I guess I'll still have mini logos, but they're really low which always feels like it neuters my pop on mellow decks.
@@tuplahaukat Great actually. They're light, grind nicely, the turn is good, and you can't beat the price. They're quite low (definitely under 50mm, I wanna say like 48ish) so they're very stable and have a really snappy pop feel, similar to a Venture lo. Stock bushings are surprisingly high quality and I haven't had any wheelbite issues with 54mm. I really like them with steep kicks like a lot of the WKND decks have.
Ace’s really are incredibly squirrelly and I can see how they might not be for everyone. I personally ride a set of 33’s with the red baseplate and they feel great! The metal is slick but the kingpin clearance isn’t the greatest. Love having that sharp turn so it’s an okay trade-off.
I had switched from Indy to ace and they were great but ground down super fast and as soon as I hit axle they had a pretty bad crack that bent them. I went back to Indy.
Wow I literally a week ago I was hoping you'd have a new ACE review and all of a sudden this video pops up. Ben's a genius. I have two setups currently one with Thunders 149 standard, the other Independent hollows 149.
Travon yo i’m trying to figure out if i should stick to indy hollows , or switch to thunder lights. i’m going up from an 8.38 to an 8.5 too so i was wondering if there’s a big weight difference between the trucks or if one would make moving up a size easier
@@geeked9658 In my personal opinion/experience, skating 8.5 boards is easier then when I've tried to go back to 8.25 or 8.38 and my indy hollows don't feel different than all the standard trucks I've ridden since 2003. For me I think it's a shoe size thing I'm size 12. example. by the time I learned switch Tre flipsI had moved up to an 8.5 so its all in your head. But still sometimes you just gotta try stuff out.
Travon i think ima stick with indys cuz thunders just don’t feel the same, it might be a little adjustment but i can get used to it. thanks for the tip g
What is the preference of Aces's in transition as opposed to Indy's? Is it the grinding that you alluded to or the sharp turning? Curious to know. Thanks!
Thunder just released their 161 (9.125) truck recently, I decided to quit riding Indys altogether and go all in on Thunders. I always ride a 9 inch truck and they feel fantastic!
@@reup4023 exactly! I wanted to mount a pair on my SMA think crime deck i have, but no old school drill. It might be to preserve structure or weight, something. If they only have the new drill then ill still ride the fuck out of them. Made in the USA unlike indys, plus the turning personally feels more stable to me.
When I bought my first pair of Aces, I didn’t like how they rode off the shelf. I ended up loosening 1 full turn and haven’t touched them since, love em.
@@_Maxten When he says "steep decks" he's talking about the kicks, not the concave so its probably the height. Aces get compared to Indy a lot because of the way they turn, but they're shorter than Indys, and are about the same height as Thunders. Truck height makes a big difference in pop feel, and I'd say that the pop of an Ace is closer to Thunder than Indy. When I try to ride Indys on steep kicks it feels like it takes forever for my tail to hit the ground and I end up ghost popping a lot, but I don't recall that ever being an issue when switching to Aces.
Love your channel some day on a whim would you review mini logo trucks? I pushed them on a buddies board and they felt both stable and turned well. Though I didn't skate any transition, they are a low truck would love to know your feedback. Currently skate raw thunder 148s and love thunder just don't know whether to stick with old faithful or make the jump to something new. My next setup will be 8.5
I know this is old but if you see this comment please do the Ace lows, from the pictures I've seen it looks like they stretched the wheelbase back out to get the lower hanger. would love to see what you think of them
I changed the top bushing out to a thunder bushing 90a and it was like gold! Oh and Ben refer to my comment from like a year ago that I still think you move good on aces, lol!
Do these bushings really break in and get softer? I have been riding mine and working them for a few hours and they don't seem any less stiff. I'm light, less than 150 lbs. I fixed it by replacing the top stock bushing with an Indy top bushing. Now they're turney.
Hey Ben, I was wondering have you ever noticed a truck or bushing difference when it comes to cold weather/bushing freezing. I know BC winter can be more mild compared to where I'm from (Toronto), but have you ever noticed a truck or bushing does better in colder climates?
Hey! I live in northern part of Russia, so ive experienced a lot of difference in trucks performance due to cold weather. I have Indy hollows with stocks red bushings - these work almost the same, even if its freezing outside. At the same time aftermarket Indy bushings become rock solid in cold. The same story for stock bushings in thunders - the stop turning in autumn and winter. To solve this i swapped them with venom street bushings - they work just fine.
I use independent super soft bushings in my ace trucks and swear by that setup🙏🏼 if that’s too loose use the bottom ace bushing and an indy one on top👌🏼
Long story short for someone who has skated it in the past. It sucks, it's not grippy at all, its slippery af, and the edges peeled off less then 2 days and weather conditions were farely pleasant here in L.A at the time.
@@theqsanity5797 Not the guy you asked but I agree 100%. One of my favorite thing about Aces (and theres a lot to like) is that they can effectively shrink the wheelbase of a deck, so like for example I recently got a Toy Machine deck that was great in every way except it had a 14.5" wb and 14.25" is where I'm most comfortable. Tried it with Thunders and it was throwing me all out of sorts, but once I put on ace 44s it felt much better. You can do the same thing but in the other direction with Ventures - they push your axles out the farthest of the major truck brands (and I believe the forged baseplates do it even more than the regular ones) so I'll use them on decks with a 14" wb if I feel like my feet are too close together.
@@loveandnapalm damn! Good shit man! Thanks for all that ❤! I think Ben also said, you get more pop or more responsiveness from the shorter wheelbase. Is that true?
The only sin I've done to these amazing trucks is, I put a 94a bushing on the bottom. Now they're amazingly comfortable and perfect with a flat deck, best feeling for me.
What bushings did you use? I love mine but I'm a tight truck guy so I actually like them better when they're new but the bushings are slightly taller than the usual aftermarket barrel/cone combos like Indy and Khiro. They're kind of inbetween a normal bushing and a longboard bushing. Krux bushings are pretty close but it still feels a little off.
@@loveandnapalm well since no bushing fit aces, I did from bottom to top: Bones washer Cupped washer Indy 94a bottom Ace top Cupped washer. So the bottom bushing height is right, I tried practically every brand of common bushings.
I tried a pair of ace 11s a buddy of mine sent me a while ago, you're so right about them being twitchy and I was constantly adjusting to pop an Ollie, felt really weird
Ben you can rename this video to ACE Classic 44 review now that the AF1 is out. I found that the bushings in these trucks are hard as nails, barely broke in if at all, and when I went to swap them for Indy orange bushings they were even hard to take out! I like how Indys turn but the feeling of pop with these is superior and they're definitely lighter.
I love my aces but without a wide wheelbase deck, it feels so weird/squirly. I had to go back to thunders because I could not reliably get 8.25 decks with a 14.5 inch wheels base to help aleviate that feeling.
These are probably my favourite trucks. I have these a set of krux and a set of thunders. Currently riding the thunders because of my board size but really wish I was riding the aces. I didn’t tighten mine at all when I got them and they felt great from the start. Didn’t really have to break them in at all
“Now, I’ve never done any tests to know exactly how sharply certain trucks turn...” I seem to recall a little test you conducted with a piece of chalk. Indys vs Krux!!
Hey I remember that as well 😁
Yeah but it’s not exact. It is a fun test for a good estimate though
I was searching exactly for this vid thx
Wow, those manual tricks were heavy.
I literally said “oh my god” - was not expecting that
Seriously bro the ledge tricks at the end of the video were sick too switch back tail 270 out .
Need your opinion on the ace af1s 🙏🏼
To all you ACE lovers out there:
If you skate an 8.5” deck and can’t decide between getting 44’s (8.375”) or 55’s (9.0”) I’d highly suggest the 44’s. The trick is putting 3 or 4 washers on the inside between the hangar and the bearing and no washer between the axle nut and other bearing. By doing this you make your wheels stick out to the SAME EXACT WIDTH as any 8.5” truck like Indy & Thunder 149’s. This was a true life saver for me to be able to skate Aces on an 8.5” deck. Ace for life! Try it out & thank me later! 😂
Thanks for the info. I was only able to get Ace 55s before and on my 8.5" Andrew Brophy Girl deck and 54mm 101A wheels I had no issues. I guess I'll have to try your trick on a 9.25" or wider deck w/ my Ace 55s.
Lmao I ride 33s on 8.5
@@ginafrazier5408 Dumb question coming up. Is your 8.5" deck more narrow at the truck bolts? I've seen that with some other decks. 8.5" wide at it's widest point but close to 8" at the nose/tail.
@@TheReal_DeanDwell I mean it seems different at the bolts but I dont pay attention but it can't be different bc then the trucks wouldn't be able to go on so nah
What size washers are they? Where can i get them?
Ace 44s are the best trucks ever made.
nah
@@liamstallingz6374 lol
I modified my ace 55's with some krux downlow kingpins and some bones bushings. I epoxied the nut into the baseplate so it works well, my favorite trucks now .
Ben, hit me with the PO box, gonna send my my Tensor ATG's so you can finally review them. They're 8.25 mag lights
I tried this already. Emailed him and everything.
Why am I watching a skate channel? I haven't skated since the 90's.
Get back on it!
go skate brother!
Go skate
Yeah man you should get back to it. Even if it's just rolling around the flats. I just started skating again after 13 years off the board, 33 years old, damn it's fun! Don't have many of the old tricks but I'm getting warmed up again.
2005 was last i skated. I'd like to get backinto it
Would love to see a Tensor truck review sometime.
I just recently got a set of Tensors to try and I'm happy. I had to get used to them and I changed bushings, but I like them. They grind smooth and turn quick, even with Bones hard bushings. I tried my norm, Bones mediums, but they were too soft for these trucks, my weight and the wheels, I guess. My previous trucks were Indy 129s with Bones mediums under a locally pressed Local5 7.75. The new Tensors are under an 8" Creature.
I bought the Tensor Mag lights 6 weeks ago and the back truck baseplate completely broke off while I was doing switch Ollies. I only Ollied a 4 Stair a few times so no high impact stuff. The trucks are super light and help with flip tricks but wouldn't recommend for anything high impact or if u want the truck to last u a long time. Tensor's warranty customer service is also terrible compared to Indy's. They asked me for a pic which I sent and I've been waiting 2 days for a response...
@@sk84life80 you have magnesium ones???
@@HENNOZINGER No, they are the regular alloy.
Sk8 4Life glad to hear you like them. I snagged a brand new SET of regular alloy on eBay for $16. $8 a truck is unreal value. I’ve heard mixed things about Tensor but have high hopes for them. Always wanted to try them out.
I just got a pair of these trucks with a 8.38 board, super reds and 56mm wheels and risers, and holy it feels soo smooth to ride.
I’m starting to think why I even rode 8.0 and low trucks.
Even better with no risers and 54mm wheels 🤟🏼
deedz and jacopo ride ace, amazing street skills, deedz is so surfy, ronnie and oski, two of the best transition guys ride ace and they look so smooth and surfy. i was like damn, so i bought a pair of 44s to try but haven't been able to really try them cuz i rolled my ankle, but i was really surprised how tight are, the bushings are wider than indie and thunder but i bet after breaking them in they'll be nice. they seem like good trucks but without really riding them yet, my biggest complaint is the sizes. i like an 8.5 with 159s. i wish ace made a size in the middle of the 44s and 55s.
I dm’d them on insta and they said they’ll be making an 8.5 truck available in December!
CARILLI707 really? weird. i dm’ed them too but they said they didnt have an 8.5 truck coming out
gram sb yeah, a while back I heard they were doing new sizes, then on their Instagram someone asked and they said no.
thelowestlevelever raven tershay too
Was just sitting here thinking I wish they had something between 44s and 55s since I've been loving 8.75 boards recently. How they working for ya?
2:13 : Looks like Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys likes your mannies!
Deeeeeeeceeeeeenttttt
Any other trucks are just trying to be indys... independent trucks for life!!
I love my aces. They turn so much quicker than my Indy and venture trucks. I can’t wait for the newer model to come out
when is a newer model coming?
Oddly enough I watch your videos to relax and I usually skate shortly afterwards. But I would like to see your review of Tensor Mag Light Reg ATGs. Cheers mate.
I'm skating them now but had to swap out the baseplate for an indy forged bc they were just too light. I think the combination of magnesium alloy and hollow axles makes them feel and sound flimsy... I think i would prefer a solid axle or aluminium hangar to bring em closer too 300g. I like the stability and turning on em.
Stock bushings didn't work for me. Got bones hards in now.
A good way to phrase it is: with a tighter wheelbase, you get a more responsive carve, so the ace trucks are more responsive than Indy
on indy 159's right now but was going to try out ace 55's for my next truck. I'm not too picky so won't matter too much to me just want to switch it up and ace 55's look super rad like mini indy 215's
You think I could ride an 8.5 with the 55s or should I get the 44
@@nate.w1082 get da 55s bigger is radder
I'm glad you did another review on these. I love Ace, but I keep switching back to Thunder. Another great new designed truck is the new Destructos Team Lights. They have a really low kingpin clearance and the hanger looks pretty like Ace hangers and grind like butter also. Whats great about the Destructos is they set a hair back than ace. Kinda between ace and indy so you get the sharp turn with these as well. I wish to see a review on the Destructo team lights at some time. Thanks for the vids Ben.
bro ur the right dude for the nine club
I ride Aces, because they grind good on curbs & they turn fast
My current setup is a Blind deck with Ace 44’s & Bones Easy Streets 🤘🤘
How are the easy streets..I'm thinking about getting them
roboliño schmidt
They’re pretty good. They slide better than normal STFs & work better for people like me who skate street in a place with rougher roads & chipped sidewalks. It’s hard for me to explain, but they just work for me.
EDIT: I think Ben might have made a video talking about them more in depth. I recommend watching that video, because I suck at talking about this shit. haha
@@BrandonBowditch haha..thanks dude..i just saw that ben did a vid about it...I bought then today and gonna ride test them the next days...have a nice day
@@robolinoschmidt8676 They're great wheels, they're smoother and softer riding than normal STFs but slide almost the same and are just as durable.
Aces are the best trucks I’ve ever ridden there turning is so good
I want to try a pair of these, but deep down, I'm going to stick with Indys
Good choice, I've had Ace's and I bent and cracked them and I never break trucks. My Indy's are solid.
sushishane21 same
Try Thunder bottom bushings on Indies, you can get an idea of how they turn: a little unstable at high speed, yet they're so fun to carve.
@@anyramone I skate my trucks how they come and I tried every truck companies out there. I'm skating a pair of Ace Trucks with my nine inch board and a pair of Indys for my eight point five board.
Omg try to compare 2017 vs 2019 ben degros so much different
Hang on a minute... are you the legend that also does carpentry ? I think I watched your video regarding spindle widths which really helped
Adam Carolla’s twin
Do the new aces Af1
really excited about the new models, hope they stick to the stage3 model and dont get any bigger wings..just need some inverted kingpins and 6hole baseplates and they are perfect.
Also, ACE come with a Top 91a bushing and a bottom 86a one, thats also one of the reasons they turn so good and you shouldnt swap them out.
Also, please do a FILM trucks review. (from what i hear & see they are a mix of indy\ace\grind king)
Hey Ben what are your thoughts on Royals or Destructos? Would be great to hear. Thanks and have a great day.
Krux too!
I want to see him do Tensor ATG Mag lights. I think he might be surprised by how good they are, and also since he's a truck nerd they're far and away the lightest truck out there. Even the crazy ass $250 axle-less Theeves are like 30 grams heavier. Also if anyone is interested in Destructos they're really good (at least in my opinion), but just know that there's significant differences between the D1 and D2. D1 is a higher truck with a ton of kingpin clearance, barrel/cone bushing setup and a surfier turn, so if you're an Indy guy that's probably going to be what you like. D2 is a little lower, has less clearance, has a bit of a more responsive turn, cone/cone bushings, and pushes the axles out a bit more so it's probably better suited for people who ride Thunders.
As for royals.... the less said the better. They're one of the only trucks I flat out won't ride ever again.
@@theqsanity5797 He did the Krux K4s a while ago. th-cam.com/video/Jh6dADzSC4w/w-d-xo.html
I dig my destructo!
@J. Mtz I don't think they even still make Phantoms and they never made them bigger than 7.75 so highly doubt he's going to review a 7.75 truck. I'll give you the review for free though - they fucking suck.
I ride aces and in europe theyre one of the cheaper trucks you can buy and in my experience theyre pretty good too
wadest me au where did you get them from? I cannot seem to find silver 44s in any EU online shop...thanks!
"That's my axel-going move." - you're stupid. I love you. hahaha
like what you said: I love the way the alloy grinds. Although the 55s will jacknife if you're not careful when you're going at speed if you ride them super loose. lose trucks save lives but they may also break your collar bone. If the wheelbase was slightly longer or the same as an indy with that indy pop I love, they would be perfect for me. but, oh well.
Best trucks, my bushing felt great after an hour or so.
I also believe if you can do a trick, you can do it on any set up. But it is a fact that ace turn and grind better than any trucks, look how many guys are riding them after being with indy for years. I've converted a few friends aswel, it's about time skateboarders start giving other things a chance and get out of their die hard brand loyalty craze
did your opinion change at all? im thinking of switching from indy to ace to try them out.
@@terrFW nope, I've only grown fonder of them over the years. I'll never go back to indys of that I'm sure. please take the chance and try some, as I say I think skaters need to start branching out rather than just riding what the majority tell them to when it's facts that over the last few years indys have gotten so bad in quality.
@@SkatEBraiN sounds good, cant wait to try them out. any wheel suggestions? im on bones right now.
@@terrFW try em all, whatever works for you. Sml AG formula and formula 4s and OH elites are my go to choices
Thinking about Max Palmer's setup every time you mention the twitchy feel lol, or Deedz, I feel like these trucks are great but only if you're a loose madman like those guys, either way i am interested...
It's just so much fun watching your videos :) i just really got into skating and im enjoing some honest skating...so your channel is perfect :) lotta support from germany 🇩🇪
I really like mine because I have a creature that has steep kicks. I really need to get some wider ones though. 44s on 8.6 is a little magic carpet-y
You should do tensor aluminum review
Why the aluminum? If he's going to do Tensors he might as well do the Mag Lights. Same truck just way lighter, and I can almost guarantee he would nerd out about the weight.
I tried the mag lights and they sucked within a week i split the hanger in half i skate Indys but i want to try the tensor aluminum but there are no good reviews on them
Blown away by the nollie heel manuals, dude rips.
Hi Ben:) and thank you for this truck review! I like your extras demos, your wheelings are great and its nice to see a session with your friends. You look like an expert and I suppose you helped us to discover things we ignored since we started skating long ago. Thank you for your humour "take it easy guys.." and for your faith in skateboarding 👍👏
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I will never skate another truck again, always ace
I think quality control is a big negative what comes to Aces. I had these for two months and the axle bent. Also have heard lot of people getting axle slips. They grind down kinda fast too due to metal being so soft.
Great feeling truck but i wanna be sure that my truck can take a beating and Indy and Thunder have not failed me lately.
From the whisperings I've been hearing that's one of the things they're looking to address in the new model. I just hope they keep the 8.35 axle length because I've grown very fond of it on 8.25 decks.
@@loveandnapalm I heard they are going to replace it with 8.25
@@tuplahaukat I heard 8.5, so I guess they're probably switching over to standard sizes and its both. Too bad, I really like that size because I ride a lot of 8.38 and its perfect. I guess I'll still have mini logos, but they're really low which always feels like it neuters my pop on mellow decks.
@@loveandnapalm How are the minilogos? Have heard suprisingly good reviews
@@tuplahaukat Great actually. They're light, grind nicely, the turn is good, and you can't beat the price. They're quite low (definitely under 50mm, I wanna say like 48ish) so they're very stable and have a really snappy pop feel, similar to a Venture lo. Stock bushings are surprisingly high quality and I haven't had any wheelbite issues with 54mm. I really like them with steep kicks like a lot of the WKND decks have.
Ace’s really are incredibly squirrelly and I can see how they might not be for everyone. I personally ride a set of 33’s with the red baseplate and they feel great! The metal is slick but the kingpin clearance isn’t the greatest. Love having that sharp turn so it’s an okay trade-off.
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Been riding the same ace 44 trucks since 2016 all most grinded through them
I had switched from Indy to ace and they were great but ground down super fast and as soon as I hit axle they had a pretty bad crack that bent them. I went back to Indy.
Exactly what happened to.my Ace's literally exactly, when I wore the truck down I cracked on completely and the axles bent.
Yeah mine are almost to the axel but I'm in love with them should I switch to Indy's cuz I have a pair of 149s
Yo Ben, Love the channel! I've been riding Almost impact lights (Im an older skater and a board breaker) I'd love to see a review of one.
Wow I literally a week ago I was hoping you'd have a new ACE review and all of a sudden this video pops up. Ben's a genius. I have two setups currently one with Thunders 149 standard, the other Independent hollows 149.
Travon yo i’m trying to figure out if i should stick to indy hollows , or switch to thunder lights. i’m going up from an 8.38 to an 8.5 too so i was wondering if there’s a big weight difference between the trucks or if one would make moving up a size easier
@@geeked9658 In my personal opinion/experience, skating 8.5 boards is easier then when I've tried to go back to 8.25 or 8.38 and my indy hollows don't feel different than all the standard trucks I've ridden since 2003. For me I think it's a shoe size thing I'm size 12. example. by the time I learned switch Tre flipsI had moved up to an 8.5 so its all in your head. But still sometimes you just gotta try stuff out.
Travon i think ima stick with indys cuz thunders just don’t feel the same, it might be a little adjustment but i can get used to it. thanks for the tip g
It seem to be so far from Venture. Honestly, i’m still not convinced by Ace.
Thanks for the Saturday upload always enjoy them while feeding the kids. Also interested in a royal truck review. Keep up the good work
What is the preference of Aces's in transition as opposed to Indy's? Is it the grinding that you alluded to or the sharp turning? Curious to know. Thanks!
Graeme St.Clair a lot of my friends who skate vert/ tranny ride ace so I’m guessin they’re pretty good
Thunder just released their 161 (9.125) truck recently, I decided to quit riding Indys altogether and go all in on Thunders. I always ride a 9 inch truck and they feel fantastic!
Would be nice if they'd have the old school pattern on the base plate so I could mount on my SMA Natas reissue... 😑
@@reup4023 exactly! I wanted to mount a pair on my SMA think crime deck i have, but no old school drill. It might be to preserve structure or weight, something. If they only have the new drill then ill still ride the fuck out of them. Made in the USA unlike indys, plus the turning personally feels more stable to me.
Ace AF1’s changed my life.
The classics are good too, but AF1’s are perfect for my skating
I learned how to finish drywall from this guy!!!
Who makes that bench?
When I bought my first pair of Aces, I didn’t like how they rode off the shelf. I ended up loosening 1 full turn and haven’t touched them since, love em.
@bendegros you love venture lows ..try ace af1 lows with hard bushings and with great kingpin clearance. Trust me 😅
I thought steep concave decks werent good with indys because I remember you preferred them with thunders. So how does that make aces any better?
Yeah that confused me too.
-chase Just his opinion, ride whatever the hell u want
funyun000 i know its preference but i just wanna know why he thinks that way because theres a science to how setups work and its interesting.
@@_Maxten When he says "steep decks" he's talking about the kicks, not the concave so its probably the height. Aces get compared to Indy a lot because of the way they turn, but they're shorter than Indys, and are about the same height as Thunders. Truck height makes a big difference in pop feel, and I'd say that the pop of an Ace is closer to Thunder than Indy. When I try to ride Indys on steep kicks it feels like it takes forever for my tail to hit the ground and I end up ghost popping a lot, but I don't recall that ever being an issue when switching to Aces.
Tee Jay so aces must get a lot of wheel bite unless you roll with small wheels then since they turn hard but arent too high
Love your channel some day on a whim would you review mini logo trucks? I pushed them on a buddies board and they felt both stable and turned well. Though I didn't skate any transition, they are a low truck would love to know your feedback. Currently skate raw thunder 148s and love thunder just don't know whether to stick with old faithful or make the jump to something new. My next setup will be 8.5
Hi Ben! Just dropped by to request a review of the Tracker Ultralite.
With copers.
Turning wise, would Aces be a midpoint between Indys and Thunders? Thunders being the most squirely
I know this is old but if you see this comment please do the Ace lows, from the pictures I've seen it looks like they stretched the wheelbase back out to get the lower hanger. would love to see what you think of them
This Ben guy should be a skateboarder
You make this comment every video and I have to admit I don't understand it.
@@bendegros just saying, u should start skating, and do skateboard reviews on youtube
Who’s Ben?
Is there any way I can send you some of our custom little risers we make? @bendegros they are .032” thick med soft plastic.
If it aint broke, why bother trying fixing it? +++Independent+++
@Gonz Wouldgo Why muck about trying different trucks, Indy is THE truck (everyone knows this).
Do the krux 9.0has thicker base plate a lot more carvy skates almost like an Indy but lighter great for mellow and steep kicks
I changed the top bushing out to a thunder bushing 90a and it was like gold! Oh and Ben refer to my comment from like a year ago that I still think you move good on aces, lol!
Just posted my Ace quick review on my page. Check it out.
little tip take out the bottom bracket its breaking them in quicker i used to ride indy now ace or die
Do these bushings really break in and get softer? I have been riding mine and working them for a few hours and they don't seem any less stiff. I'm light, less than 150 lbs. I fixed it by replacing the top stock bushing with an Indy top bushing. Now they're turney.
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks!
I've been riding reynolds 149 for years, might grab a pair of those! Good video.
Great review would be cool to see you review the heroin egg shape one day should be interesting :)
Hey Ben, I was wondering have you ever noticed a truck or bushing difference when it comes to cold weather/bushing freezing. I know BC winter can be more mild compared to where I'm from (Toronto), but have you ever noticed a truck or bushing does better in colder climates?
Hey! I live in northern part of Russia, so ive experienced a lot of difference in trucks performance due to cold weather. I have Indy hollows with stocks red bushings - these work almost the same, even if its freezing outside. At the same time aftermarket Indy bushings become rock solid in cold. The same story for stock bushings in thunders - the stop turning in autumn and winter. To solve this i swapped them with venom street bushings - they work just fine.
I use independent super soft bushings in my ace trucks and swear by that setup🙏🏼 if that’s too loose use the bottom ace bushing and an indy one on top👌🏼
the conical or cylinder shaped ones ?
I'm using ace lows and feel so good
I'm currently on Venture lows and was curious about Ace lows. How do they turn?
@@stephenbrawley7045 A very sharp and feel weird. Really fun truck Good thing is same height with Thunder HI.
Hey ben, i'd like to see you review the tensor mag light! ive always wanted to buy them but im a little bit worried about the weight
I have to keep my foot back much further on ace trucks
You should review non abrasive griptape by DKL
Long story short for someone who has skated it in the past. It sucks, it's not grippy at all, its slippery af, and the edges peeled off less then 2 days and weather conditions were farely pleasant here in L.A at the time.
What’s the difference between the old and the new model?
I mainly skate transition and I Really like the 55s .They feel really stable in the corners at speed and like you said they grind
love Aces. really stepped up my bowl skating and I copped a 3 sets for $15 a pair ;)
Your friend has some flat spotted wheels lmao
Price point vs Indy's...?
have u ever run in to Spencer Hamilton at that manny spot
Could you review the Tensor ATGs?
Ace’s have been my now go to, I love Indy’s but Ace’s are where it’s at.
Would you agree with what Ben Said about the wheelbase thing?
@@theqsanity5797 Not the guy you asked but I agree 100%. One of my favorite thing about Aces (and theres a lot to like) is that they can effectively shrink the wheelbase of a deck, so like for example I recently got a Toy Machine deck that was great in every way except it had a 14.5" wb and 14.25" is where I'm most comfortable. Tried it with Thunders and it was throwing me all out of sorts, but once I put on ace 44s it felt much better. You can do the same thing but in the other direction with Ventures - they push your axles out the farthest of the major truck brands (and I believe the forged baseplates do it even more than the regular ones) so I'll use them on decks with a 14" wb if I feel like my feet are too close together.
@@loveandnapalm damn! Good shit man! Thanks for all that ❤! I think Ben also said, you get more pop or more responsiveness from the shorter wheelbase. Is that true?
TheQsanity absolutely but I’m more for a street skating diy vibe.
The wheelbase gives it a lofty feeling when you’re popping your board.
@@lordmanhammer666 lofty as in thick or high in the air lol
ace 55 & 66 are the only trucks that exist
That is the perfect indoor park
Ben try some DGK decks!
Love the videos Ben. Keep up the good work.
The only sin I've done to these amazing trucks is, I put a 94a bushing on the bottom. Now they're amazingly comfortable and perfect with a flat deck, best feeling for me.
What bushings did you use? I love mine but I'm a tight truck guy so I actually like them better when they're new but the bushings are slightly taller than the usual aftermarket barrel/cone combos like Indy and Khiro. They're kind of inbetween a normal bushing and a longboard bushing. Krux bushings are pretty close but it still feels a little off.
@@loveandnapalm well since no bushing fit aces, I did from bottom to top:
Bones washer
Cupped washer
Indy 94a bottom
Ace top
Cupped washer.
So the bottom bushing height is right, I tried practically every brand of common bushings.
Saturday upload very surprising
I went from ACE to Indy back to ACE
I tried a pair of ace 11s a buddy of mine sent me a while ago, you're so right about them being twitchy and I was constantly adjusting to pop an Ollie, felt really weird
Big Aces big transition
Ace are on my bowl set up
Nice manuals!👏🏻
ben, do the ace low's pleaseeeee
Ben you can rename this video to ACE Classic 44 review now that the AF1 is out.
I found that the bushings in these trucks are hard as nails, barely broke in if at all, and when I went to swap them for Indy orange bushings they were even hard to take out! I like how Indys turn but the feeling of pop with these is superior and they're definitely lighter.
youre talking about classic or af1 ?
@@dawidl7303 Classics. AF1 has new bushings that turns much sharper out of the box.
I'd also be interested in a Royal Truck review.
He already reviewed the royal trucks
I love my aces but without a wide wheelbase deck, it feels so weird/squirly. I had to go back to thunders because I could not reliably get 8.25 decks with a 14.5 inch wheels base to help aleviate that feeling.
Came for the trucks stayed for the bench session. What are specs on that bench? Haha. I need to build a good bench.
These are probably my favourite trucks.
I have these a set of krux and a set of thunders.
Currently riding the thunders because of my board size but really wish I was riding the aces.
I didn’t tighten mine at all when I got them and they felt great from the start. Didn’t really have to break them in at all
Love your vids
Switch back disaster was sick
Saw that!