It happens to the best of us my friend, I dont blame you. Fortunately my expectations were lowered the second I heard it was tab target, but I definitely share your pain.
5:57 this used to be the case in Lineage 2 - no instances even in dungeons except Epic Bosses which dropped the best gear - these were instanced. For example The Tower of Insolence, Cruma Tower, Forge of Gods - INSANE DUNGEONS!!! Clans (guilds) of hundreds of people would gather, fighting constantly amongst each other to get a chance to fight the Epic Boss... What great times man.......
omg I remember Lineage 2 so so well. I was on Erica server. Some of the most memorable gaming times of my life was L2. It might just be me or wishful thinking. But after seeing that the [THRONE AND LIBERTY] Director’s Preview, I could literally feel the spirit of Lineage in a lot of that footage. Looking forward to this one
Lineage two was amazing. Nothing beats the feeling of being on talking island during the beta. I gave that game about 6 1/2 years of my life. Absolutely no regrets. The early days were amazing. Open world, open everything. I love that you could stroll through a dungeon, and either rule the place, or get run out. Suppressing your enemies new characters with your Permared was a blast. Conversely, being destroyed by you by your enemies, when you were trying to level up was equally as fun. We had a phone call list for our alliance when we needed backup.
Meh it will be just like Lineage 2 with Chinese gold farmers camping the bosses and nobody else ever getting to take down a boss, and with NCsofts history of allowing gold farmers as they paid them a fee to allow it this game is doomed.
Not really. Depth is rarely the weak side of korean mmo's. They usually have ton of content and recieve regular updates. What hurts korean mmo's is excessive grind and p2w.
The dungeon design instantly reminded me of this big ass dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot, which was insanly cool especially because it was accessable for all three factions at times.
Non-instanced dungeons, as nice as it sounds, will likely end up being played in a similar fashion as e.g., chest runs in New World. Content intended in difficulty for relatively small groups of players, most often just being zerged down for quick and easy progression following a path of least resistance.
@@SteveEricJordan that actually isn't the reason instancing started existing and had more to do with technical limitations in its first few uses. As the industry has gotten lazier and lazier it has become one of instancings most "valuable" uses.
Hey Force, you do a great job man. You’re by far my favorite game reviewer. I’ve loved MMO’s since I first discovered them. Star Wars Galaxies was my first one. We need something that takes those bones and makes something new.
FFXI and L2 had open world dungeons and it worked out very well.I was so used to those kinds of dungeons that I didn't know about instanced dungeons when I started playing WoW in 2007/ I didnt do my first dungeon until WoTLK.
It really comes down to the monetization and performance. Based on the stuff they have been showing the performance isn't looking too good. NCsoft has massive love for gacha, so I'm not going to be massively surprised if we are gambling for weapons.
People make way too big a deal of monetization. That has almost no bearing on with people sticking with a game (on large-scale). You will lose a small portion if the monetization is egregious, but the majority of players will be happy to play a game regardless of monetization, if it is fun to play, has engaging content, and is something their friends are also playing. Those are the 3 pillars, and they will continue to be. Niche aspects like monetization are sorely overblown. look at the most popular MMOs vs the least played, and take a look at how predatory the popular ones are vs the unpopular. It's very clear, doesn't make a difference.
@@Devorantem You're definitely correct, with this logic New World should be the biggest game because it's the least predatory of them all. In a context of NCsoft thought monetization will be a big deal, because we are not talking about slightly predatory mechanics. We are talking about mechanics that make BDO and Lost ark look incredibly good options in terms of monetization.
@@Devorantem The more people think it's ok the more they will push predatory monetization eventually it will become the norm. I understand the "don't complain" attitude but there's gotta be somone who needs to resists the trend otherwise all games will be gacha.
@@Nilvarcus What if New World was also predatory on top of what it is now. I think there would only be 2 or 3 people playing it. Fair monetization + good game is the key.
This is a Lineage 3, so many things taken from the old Lineage 2, imperial tomb, cruma, giants cave, tower of insolence or garden of eva vibes, castle siege with golems, things that can only be done in clans. Could be something that c4-interlude era orphans are waiting for.
I want so badly this game to be the lineage 3 we are waiting all these years. I wish its on the same path and not something like lost ark that I don't like at all...
If there are no instanced dungeons that is a problem for me, I don't want to make a group and run into the dungeon just to find it cleared out by others.
0:18 yea true NC does blade and soul BUT they also publish GW2 ! which has one of the best monetization system period, so maybe there will be hope for throne & liberty ? lets hope (it's korean tho... so yea lets wait and see)
Always love your content brother, been a subscriber for probably a decade at this point. Thanks for all the years of entertainment and information on one of my favorite hobbies.
Came here from Asmon but I like your presentation the best. Been a fan of Force Gaming for years somehow got unsubscribed... so here take my resub! Great find!
These are not the same as ESO and are advanced dungeons for large groups of players. NCsoft normally puts bosses on a timer, some pop every 24hrs after being killed and others took like a week either way they where always locked down by the Chinese gold farmers with advanced high level bots that would wipe an entire clan out in minutes if you tried a boss run, NCsoft allowed gold farmers to bot for a fee on their servers in Lineage 2 and I expect the same in this game.
I think non instanced dungeons are more viable now that the mmo market is spread so thin. It was bad for early mmos that had no real competition, so the player base was very large. But now there are plenty of other mmos people will be playing; spreading the players out. Also with how fast people move from game to game now, I think there will be no issues. Maybe the first couple of months will feel rough, but after that, it should be smooth sailing. It will be interesting to see people have to make groups for dungeons again instead of just cueing. Which could force people to have multiple types of classes. I always ran a dps and healer just in case, as healers are very sought after. Made creating and finding parties much easier. (Most of my experience was ff11, which I personally loved. I did start playing it years after it had released though, which probably made my experience better than playing it right out of the gate, as most dungeons were clear of other groups farming or rushing through)
Streaming on mobile just means that the game for phone gamers will run on a computer in the Cloud, not on the phone, so there will be no need to make graphical compromises for mobile platform. From development point of view they just have to overlap a different UI for mobile on top of the streamed game content. That also means that you'll need a very good internet connection to play TL on mobile. So it seems the game is designed to run on PC/Console and with a good internet connection you can play it on mobile.
Yeah, I'm so disappointed. Still want to dive in myself when the Western Beta goes live. But my expectations are pretty much gone now. Combat looks horrendous.
As an old Lineage II (NcSoft) player, where open world and pvp is a thing, I am curious how they combine the fact that there are open dungeons where a group can start a boss while another group comes along and wants to attack that same boss, with the "pvp announced before, pvp enabled zones only and not mandatory". Like if players can't fight each other for a Boss or a farm spot, what is the point of letting it open? Will both groups atk the boss and the one with most dammage done gets the drops and most XP? PvP for it seems the solution, or don't make boss areas as open areas.
I think the combat will leave a lot to be desired if it looks as stationary as the footage shown. Excited for all the systems and structure of the game tho.
7:30. This is not ruining the experience for other players. This makes other players group up, start/join clans and alliances make friends along their journey and get more fun out of the game. Dont even get me started on the fun part of the pvp battles there will be involved. Lineage 2 back in the day is a great example. I miss the good old days to be honest.
It looks good, both for graphically and gameplay-wise, two concerns only: 1) no open world pvp: not really a pvper myself, but as a spiritual successor to Lineage 2 I was hoping TL to have a karma system similar to that... man, I have such great memories of L2, insane stupid fights inside ToI or Cruma with your guildmates, things you rarely see in modern mmorpgs; I realize modern mmo players are different and this system caters to a larger audience, but still... 2) p2w stuff and monetization: I dont really mind the pay for convenience thing, I just hope we won't see shit like TERA's ridicolous wings, costumes and mounts; the biggest fear is about the progression system, I pray we won't see anything like BDO (which I love tbh, I just hate the enhancing thing) or Lost Ark daily chores
exactly if they KEEP IT LIKE THIS, im gona skip it, no point on even playing. another worthless mmorpg. so its not a l2 successor like wtf am i supposed to gear up i need OWPVP
The outro is the best. I think many millions of us are of the same mind on the thought of monetization and our powerlessness to do anything about it. But we will still complain because it's the only tool we have. rofl
a lot of mmos would be great if it wasn't for their communities. People rush endgame on the day of release, without enjoying the progression, the RPG aspects of it etc, and then complain there's not enough content ¬¬. And when companies make a hardcore game, gamers complain it's too grindy, "nobody got time for this" etc etc. The worst part of mmorpgs is the players imho
This is the first i have heard of this game but after watching you review I am definitely excited about its release. I am concerned about 100 player type sieges in an MMO as they are usually to much of a strain on the average PC and i suspect will be a lag fest unless you are lucky enough to have some super high end pc. However as an ex EQ2 player and huge fan of that game I love the fact you mention openworld pvp. In EQ2 they were able to balance it where there were dungeons you could run but at the risk of running into another group of 6 other hostile players while in there but they also had instances where you could go and just do them without the risk of pvp. Also another great thing EQ2 had was you could not be ganked by L30 players if you were L10. L1-10 could only fight other L1-10 - you were only slightly vulnerable when you hit L11 and perhaps a L19 attacked you but soon as they hit L20 you could not fight with that player unless you chose to. Also you could choose a crafting line that meant you could create an EVAC item if you wanted to escape being ganked and even some classes of player had a group evac etc. Anyway so all in all if Throne and Liberty is going to be able to balance how the openworld pvp works this is rly exciting as i have been holding out for new generation type EQ2 for so many years now, not these MMO's where you choose to go to a particular area and just have stupid fights like capture the flag and crap but if you were in open world it was pve only. If its not monthly subscription based then i dont mind a bit of element of money being spent to get certain cool things or to purchase currency to spend in the game as long as its not totally pay to win. All in all I am looking forward to seeing more reviews from you now i have found your channel and obviously very much looking forward to seeing this game when released. Thx for making me aware of this potentially very good MMORPG coming out in early 2023.
they said that it is only designed for Pc and console only .. but it can be streamed on mobile- not sure what this means.. maybe NCsoft has their own streaming app .. I'm confused..
FFXI also had a similar style of dungeons and Open world Fights and Bosses. Only REAL instance of the Dynasty to farm relics for your Weapon skills. They had mini bosses called " Triggers" If you killed these bosses you got items to summon a boss. And it was all open world. If your team wiped and died. Anyone could just come in and take that Boss. Same thing with Relic Coffers. Where you got Race / Class specific Armor pieces. Anyone can enter those areas and loot them before you. So it took a lot of time camping spawn points and competing with other players. I enjoyed that style of game play. Can;t wait to see how they do with it in this game.
Since I'm quite interested in this game, I've watched videos about it from different youtubers and I just would like to say that yours (Force Gaming) are of the highest quality (imo). Thank you and good job!
streaming on mobile works by a pc or console streaming the game to a mobile device through internet. this is actually a really smart way for people to be able to play on mobile AAA mmos where the mobile port doesn't take away from the game since it still primarily running from a pc.
Multilayered noninstanced dungeons would be great to see come back to mmorpgs. However considering how utter crap all other Korean games are, I am very sceptical that a few "right" things can save that type of game. The fast paced shallow action combat and the simple systems to match is the usual killer. But lets watch and see.
man "fast paced shallow action combat" is the perfect description i couldn't think of for the spammy, low amount of abilities garbage that's been creeping into almost every single latest mmo, which all look like glorified mobile games (probably literally by design as mobile is the biggest market..)
@@whiskizyo2067 Well, how many skills do you actually need for it to not feel shallow? I look at a game like FF14, and most classes have 6-7 skills they use constantly, 6-8 skills that are situational, and another 6-8 that are even more situational and see very little use. And then I look at a game like Guild Wars 1, where you can only bring 8 skills at any given time and those 8 skills literally define how you play, so I don't really get your grievances here.
Combat is usually thing they get right. Like BDO and BnS combat systems are fun af, everything else is the problem. It's the Western games that hae the shallow and boring action combat like ESO and New World.
I also have always felt that xp boosts need to apply more to the solo player because completing dungeons and quests is harder in solo than with groups.
For example, I played Lineage 2 back in 2003, and this Project TL has been a thing for a long time; I checked all the videos and updates for this project, but I actually do not have something I wish to share at this point. I assume a number of video viewers are like me, they check the videos but do not write comments.
Wanted to start this off with a thank you to you Force Gaming, this was an excellent breakdown as I only had cursory knowledge of the T&L now I know a bit more of what to expect and am liking what I am seeing. Keep up the great work! AQ3D and imo osrs are good on both pc and mobile. Better on PC for sure, but if you are say on break at work and wanna grind a bit you can and it works quite well. Those are examples of it done right :) PWI (Perfect World International) had flying mounted combat which I always thought was cool, it could have been a great game had it not been so p2w, wish more game would add mounted/mounted flight combat. I will say I used to be all about the full story but most of it is too recycled for me at this point. Only games I can really do it for are; Final Fantasy 14 because their story is part of the world building and they tell it with you as the main character, so it doesn't feel like a story is happening and you are just there, instead the story feels like it is only happening because you are there and are moving it forward. It is actually really well done. As well as Star Wars: The Old Republic for the same reasons listed above but the cut scenes have prompt like the old Kotor games and so you are the MC in that one too. But yeah unless the mmo can make the cutscenes matter and not feel like if you weren't there it still would have gone down the same I don't really feel invested.
i think the best option would be some open dungeons and some instanced dungeons.... or some system to limit quantity of people entering open dungeons at one time to not have a 500 player horde through all the dungeons
seeing how it's NCSoft.. yeah.. P2W all right.. but as long as the P2W isn't that godlike, i don't mind, being an Asian and playing Asian made MMORPG since 2010. i am used it by now, spending a few hundred dollars for a game that makes you happy is all right
Great review on this game please keep us updated. I used to play a game called asheron's call. Do you have any recommendations for a game similar to that? Maybe this?
The dungeons seem like eso public dungeons which I always loved. The ONLY thing I hated about eso was the need for regular attack weaving during combat. This game looks awesome and at least with NC soft we know it will be a decent game out the gate.
The biggest thing that gives me hope for this game is what they did with guild wars. I don't mind them monetizing fashion items and even some convenience items if the game is good.
I created 2 topics on the WoW forums centered around open instances and what they could bring to the game. One was geared toward the pvp aspect and the other more toward pve. Dragonflight has introduced a fairly competent alternative for open world content, but I still feel that an open instance would be far superior. If this game implements them well, perhaps Blizzard will steal the idea. Hell, I stole the idea from EQ so that'd be fair imo.
They have to impelement every dungeon to azeroth and other realms which is impossible instances exists like single realm but they can change it on new maps in new expansions but people don’t like huge changes
"new world doesnt have a class system" yes they do. your class is now your weapon. same thing honestly. the only true classless system i have seen is archeage, where they had so many class combos (up to like 128 or something, pick 3 of 9) where while a meta does form, you can pick counters. you can be that weirdo that chose 3 seemingly non-synergetic classes and suddenly people dont know how to deal with you.
It is going to be like Lineage 1. Not Everquest and not Lineage 2. I wish more people played it so they could understand what NCSOFT is clearly aiming for. Oh well. Really excited either way and I hope the morph gacha isn't too extreme(it will be).
i've been playing their other releases of recent and yes they were very lineage 1 oriented.. i think this game will be an amalgamation of all their projects the past few years and they'll adjust it after release.. yeah, if there is an endgame polymorph or pay for stats then it'll piss off quite a many players...
Once again the question about performance arises with such ambitious goals. I do hope that MMO's in general will tackle this problem in the (near) future!
If we can upload images and make whatever face we want, i'll spent shitload of time on that. Already had 20+ characters on wwe 2k22 like Agent 13, quake, black canary, supergirl, donna troy, clark kent, lex luthor from smallville, etc. Would love to make Yennifer/zatanna/merlin if going for wiz or green arrow if going for archer.
"There are some major concerns about huge groups completely clearing everything quickly and ruining the experience" this will absolutely happen DAILY, who are we kidding. Take the latest one like New World, the good loots drop once per day in elite zones. So everyday (during prime time) there will be multiple public "Bus" between 50-200 players just running through all the open world Boss areas (Elite Zones) and killing everything. It will be the same for this game. Accept this fact now, be patient, wait for respawn and it wont "ruin" your precious gaming experience or otherwise you're gonna have a bad time.
Considering the adventure on rails preset path of many games, the ability to not only go anywhere in 2D, but extend that to 3D space if you have/find the right tool for the job, is actully an argument thats barely touched upon and often little more than a carefully stage managed area gimmick when it is. So I get wht he is saying. If you see a mountain, you know you aint going up it unless you can find a preset path made for you. What if you simply bought/found/created some claws and rope ? Its a good argument between trying to manage exploits or player trespassing into out of bounds areas, and simply accepting it as part of gameplay with counterplay and not implementing out of bounds areas that can be trespasses into. ie. rather than deny the players the problem, give the players the tools to deal with the problem...or not if they so choose to ignore it. It seems to me taking the away the players own ability to solve problems they may face, even those unknown to everyone, is part of the modern gaming problem.
Been watching your videos for years man. Since Destiny 1 I believe. You are by FAR my favorite source for gaming news. Your style of editing and delivery are a huge inspiration to me! Many blessings to you, Force!
Ok Dungeons that might have multiple groups doing different bosses in real time seamlessly... THAT has blown my mind, the fact that you will be running by other groups inside a dungeon is sooooo super immersive instead of dungeons are only locked to our group My only question is how do they prevent the other raid group of just harrassing other group's fight?
my concerns are, will this game have an gear enhancement RNG like all other korean mmos? then im out... i don't get why this systems are so popular compared to the good old loot systems from the "good old times" (playing mmorpgs since 2002)
what is orrying me is Render Distance. some people dont have high end PCs (not me, but others) and they will be at a straight disadvantage in PvP if they cant handle a larger Render Distance than others.. that is the only thing that worries me with the Seamless Open World.. cause if many ppl dont have that good PC they will be discouraged to PvP since they could be killed before even seeing their Attacker
The game looks great but I'm only worried about 2 things, PVP and Monetization. It's about to be released globally and we don't have any word yet on what monetization they'll be using, which is a HUGE red flag. And about the pvp it will be necessary to see exactly how they implement those notices of pvp available-unavailable areas. Placing too many peace zones ruins the immersion in the game
This game does look pretty good. The few things I am worried about are needed a fairly beefy pc to run it smoothly, and the monetization. If they try to do a buy to play and then try to make it pay to win or pay for convivence that will be a pass. If the game is free to play and as long as it isn't pay to win, I will give it a try. I am done with all of the cash grabs crap these companies are trying.
So how do you expect he game to be profitable ? I get it not being pay to win thats a given but pay for convenience is the most viable method. Nothing in this world is free and they didnt make this game soley for our joy. It a business at the end of the day
@@ShizzleGaming14 Ok, first of I did not say I they should not have monetization. I said If they try to do a buy to play which is having a box price to play at first then try to add a pay to win mechanic into the game. I am more than aware nothing in this world is free. If people would read everything or listen to people while they are talking and not only put partial attention in misunderstandings would not happen.
Maybe one mmorpg with a really cool black desert like wizard without the dumb grinding! I'm just very scared of the opened dungeon, every game I tried with that kind of dungeon, ppl farm the bosses and you never have something to kill, espcially in end game where everybody try to kill the same bosses
All NCSoft MMOs fulfilled a particularly significant niche for each of their games. I'm looking forward to what aspects of Aion they're putting into this game. It's going to have siege battles & I'm assuming some high skill ceiling combat mechanics. That's enough to satisfy my tastes. The crafting in Aion from what I experienced was rather simple & satisfying. Judging by how it was present in their other games, I'm assuming this game will check all my boxes while attempting to be a relevant & modern for the masses - Meaning a PvE focused game first before PvP. I'm too old to care about P2W at this point. I've seen all the flashy games with all their problems and I don't mind jumping into a new & promising game having to spend a bit if I can keep up from day 1. If you genuinely like a game, you'll do what you have to in order to stay on top & at that point you're not going to shell too much into the cash shop.
Idk how to feel about non instanced dungeons, I feel like they should have a loading screen. So that other groups can't zerg through or train mobs, and so that they can be a huge area that wont affect performance of anyone playing nearby.
you dont go to a boss unless you are not prepared, meaning you need to have the manpower to clear that content. You dont go there with your five crew homies because is not a World of warcraft dungeon . If i didnt had the guild ready i was not going to do it , i had to farm in some other place with a smaller party, get money and luckily buy the gear i need later from a seller . Easy like that. Oh, the tears this game will cause... :)
Man I miss that chaos of EQ. Sure there are issues but it was just so fun and immersive. I made awesome friends back in those days. This looks really promising. I played on Firiona the role playing server and everyone was so nice and considerate. Hopefully the player base is chill but that's probably hoping for too much today lol
Can't wait to give it a shot.. i've played alot of the current MMORPGS and nothing just holds my attention anymore.. i keep defaulting back to old ass FFXI.
Totally agree with regards to the mobile first design being a hindrance. Take a look at Black Desert Mobile. Imagine if Black Desert was designed first for the mobile and then brought to PC. The Mobile version of BDO does not have a seamless open world, the mobiles just can't handle it, so the map has been split up into hundreds of zones which you load between. This would be the experience on PC too if the game was made for Mobile first.
If there is weapon swapping I hope its a HELL of a lot better than ESO / New World. In general I haven't been a fan of weapon swapping but this game does look great. Hopefully its a smooth and a near instant swap
most people most likely watched the developer trailer through other youtubers, which would not give the actual dev channel any engagement, unless people re-watch it on their channel
Looks like a great game to look forward to! Regarding the subject of skills being dependant on the weapon the class or character is using, a great example is Guild Wars 2, where there are a 19 different weapons, and various classes have access to certain ones, yet every class uses them quite differently. Great examples to look into are greatsword usage between warrior, revenant and mesmer, or hammer usable between revenant, elemenalist and ranger, to mention just some. If Throne and Liberty makes similar feeling differences between the weapon and is user I am all in! Great video!
Or you could say that a great example was the Destro in L2 who used four weapons (Bow, Pole, 2HSword, 2H Mace/staff) and rotated between them. Many of the elements that this game has come from there and to compare those with elements from games that came after L2 is absurd.
I seriously do not miss the "Train to zone" in CT/Guk/etc and then having to do corpse recoveries because a group lost control. Also not a fan of having that one person think they want to solo that one "boss" so they drag the entire first half of a dungeon in on your group because they cant/won't fight it solo and train your group, wiping it while you were already engaged in a boss fight with its own adds and then off they go to another find their boss. The current MMO player base is not like it used to be where the majority was courteous of other groups. And the monetization for anything other than cosmetics is 100% a sham.
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Whelp.
I figured you'd come back to this haha. We were all there man, got shilled again. MMO's are rough now.
It looks more like DOG POOP 💩
classic
It happens to the best of us my friend, I dont blame you. Fortunately my expectations were lowered the second I heard it was tab target, but I definitely share your pain.
What a surprise right?
5:57 this used to be the case in Lineage 2 - no instances even in dungeons except Epic Bosses which dropped the best gear - these were instanced. For example The Tower of Insolence, Cruma Tower, Forge of Gods - INSANE DUNGEONS!!! Clans (guilds) of hundreds of people would gather, fighting constantly amongst each other to get a chance to fight the Epic Boss... What great times man.......
I feel you indeed. TEON 4EVER!!!
omg I remember Lineage 2 so so well. I was on Erica server. Some of the most memorable gaming times of my life was L2. It might just be me or wishful thinking. But after seeing that the [THRONE AND LIBERTY] Director’s Preview, I could literally feel the spirit of Lineage in a lot of that footage. Looking forward to this one
This is exactly what came to my mind! TOI, Cruma, FoG! amazing lvling, boss fights and pvp spots. OG bartz player here!
Lineage two was amazing. Nothing beats the feeling of being on talking island during the beta. I gave that game about 6 1/2 years of my life. Absolutely no regrets. The early days were amazing. Open world, open everything. I love that you could stroll through a dungeon, and either rule the place, or get run out. Suppressing your enemies new characters with your Permared was a blast. Conversely, being destroyed by you by your enemies, when you were trying to level up was equally as fun. We had a phone call list for our alliance when we needed backup.
Meh it will be just like Lineage 2 with Chinese gold farmers camping the bosses and nobody else ever getting to take down a boss, and with NCsofts history of allowing gold farmers as they paid them a fee to allow it this game is doomed.
Korean MMOs are always flashy and pretty but deep as a puddle
Just like ur mom…jk 😅
I heard Korean, I was already half way out. I heard NCSoft, I regret spending 11 seconds of my attention on this garbage.
not to mention p2w grindfest
Not really. Depth is rarely the weak side of korean mmo's. They usually have ton of content and recieve regular updates. What hurts korean mmo's is excessive grind and p2w.
@@Navhkrin repetitive daily content isn't depth
The dungeon design instantly reminded me of this big ass dungeon in Dark Age of Camelot, which was insanly cool especially because it was accessable for all three factions at times.
Me too. Darkness Falls is still my favorite dungeon/zone in any MMO.
@@glenryantipton Darkness Falls, that was the name. It is a shame noone talks about DAoC when it comes to mmorpg's.
I myself prefer open dungeons vs the instanced crap. DAoC had it best in my opinion.
Non-instanced dungeons, as nice as it sounds, will likely end up being played in a similar fashion as e.g., chest runs in New World. Content intended in difficulty for relatively small groups of players, most often just being zerged down for quick and easy progression following a path of least resistance.
exactly. people forgetting that there was a reason instancing exists in the first place
Yep 100%
@@SteveEricJordan that actually isn't the reason instancing started existing and had more to do with technical limitations in its first few uses. As the industry has gotten lazier and lazier it has become one of instancings most "valuable" uses.
This is why you need open world PVP as a check. It's still possible to zerg down, but now other players can interrupt those plans.
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Hey Force, you do a great job man. You’re by far my favorite game reviewer. I’ve loved MMO’s since I first discovered them. Star Wars Galaxies was my first one. We need something that takes those bones and makes something new.
SWG has special spot in most 80/90s players :)
FFXI and L2 had open world dungeons and it worked out very well.I was so used to those kinds of dungeons that I didn't know about instanced dungeons when I started playing WoW in 2007/ I didnt do my first dungeon until WoTLK.
It really comes down to the monetization and performance. Based on the stuff they have been showing the performance isn't looking too good. NCsoft has massive love for gacha, so I'm not going to be massively surprised if we are gambling for weapons.
kinda like lost ark. The game is really fun but it's extremely pay to win unless you wanna spend 5 years grinding
People make way too big a deal of monetization. That has almost no bearing on with people sticking with a game (on large-scale). You will lose a small portion if the monetization is egregious, but the majority of players will be happy to play a game regardless of monetization, if it is fun to play, has engaging content, and is something their friends are also playing. Those are the 3 pillars, and they will continue to be. Niche aspects like monetization are sorely overblown. look at the most popular MMOs vs the least played, and take a look at how predatory the popular ones are vs the unpopular. It's very clear, doesn't make a difference.
@@Devorantem You're definitely correct, with this logic New World should be the biggest game because it's the least predatory of them all. In a context of NCsoft thought monetization will be a big deal, because we are not talking about slightly predatory mechanics. We are talking about mechanics that make BDO and Lost ark look incredibly good options in terms of monetization.
@@Devorantem The more people think it's ok the more they will push predatory monetization eventually it will become the norm. I understand the "don't complain" attitude but there's gotta be somone who needs to resists the trend otherwise all games will be gacha.
@@Nilvarcus What if New World was also predatory on top of what it is now. I think there would only be 2 or 3 people playing it. Fair monetization + good game is the key.
This is a Lineage 3, so many things taken from the old Lineage 2, imperial tomb, cruma, giants cave, tower of insolence or garden of eva vibes, castle siege with golems, things that can only be done in clans. Could be something that c4-interlude era orphans are waiting for.
I want so badly this game to be the lineage 3 we are waiting all these years. I wish its on the same path and not something like lost ark that I don't like at all...
This originally was going to be Lineage 3, then they decided to make it something else.
Great vid. I saw a lot of GW2 in this game in addition to the others you mentioned. I'm looking forward to finding out more. Subbed
It’s really nice to hear some excitement about an upcoming MMO. Things have been dry for a long while now.
Huh? This whole channel is about upcoming MMOs.
Keep your hopes low, it’s NC Soft.
Don't get excited, it's a Korean MMO.
If there are no instanced dungeons that is a problem for me, I don't want to make a group and run into the dungeon just to find it cleared out by others.
Clan has all bosses on private timers within a week lol
Or worse, you have the p2w gear sweaties mowing down anyone who comes near
0:18 yea true NC does blade and soul BUT they also publish GW2 ! which has one of the best monetization system period, so maybe there will be hope for throne & liberty ? lets hope (it's korean tho... so yea lets wait and see)
Always love your content brother, been a subscriber for probably a decade at this point. Thanks for all the years of entertainment and information on one of my favorite hobbies.
Came here from Asmon but I like your presentation the best. Been a fan of Force Gaming for years somehow got unsubscribed... so here take my resub! Great find!
ESO has open (public) dungeons as well with respawning bosses. One of my fav things to do in that MMO.
These are not the same as ESO and are advanced dungeons for large groups of players. NCsoft normally puts bosses on a timer, some pop every 24hrs after being killed and others took like a week either way they where always locked down by the Chinese gold farmers with advanced high level bots that would wipe an entire clan out in minutes if you tried a boss run, NCsoft allowed gold farmers to bot for a fee on their servers in Lineage 2 and I expect the same in this game.
I think non instanced dungeons are more viable now that the mmo market is spread so thin. It was bad for early mmos that had no real competition, so the player base was very large. But now there are plenty of other mmos people will be playing; spreading the players out. Also with how fast people move from game to game now, I think there will be no issues. Maybe the first couple of months will feel rough, but after that, it should be smooth sailing. It will be interesting to see people have to make groups for dungeons again instead of just cueing. Which could force people to have multiple types of classes. I always ran a dps and healer just in case, as healers are very sought after. Made creating and finding parties much easier. (Most of my experience was ff11, which I personally loved. I did start playing it years after it had released though, which probably made my experience better than playing it right out of the gate, as most dungeons were clear of other groups farming or rushing through)
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Streaming on mobile just means that the game for phone gamers will run on a computer in the Cloud, not on the phone, so there will be no need to make graphical compromises for mobile platform. From development point of view they just have to overlap a different UI for mobile on top of the streamed game content. That also means that you'll need a very good internet connection to play TL on mobile. So it seems the game is designed to run on PC/Console and with a good internet connection you can play it on mobile.
This aged like fine milk :D
Yeah, I'm so disappointed. Still want to dive in myself when the Western Beta goes live. But my expectations are pretty much gone now. Combat looks horrendous.
As an old Lineage II (NcSoft) player, where open world and pvp is a thing, I am curious how they combine the fact that there are open dungeons where a group can start a boss while another group comes along and wants to attack that same boss, with the "pvp announced before, pvp enabled zones only and not mandatory". Like if players can't fight each other for a Boss or a farm spot, what is the point of letting it open? Will both groups atk the boss and the one with most dammage done gets the drops and most XP? PvP for it seems the solution, or don't make boss areas as open areas.
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First half of 23 - throne & liberty + hogwarts + diablo iv + starfield DAYUUUM
I think the combat will leave a lot to be desired if it looks as stationary as the footage shown. Excited for all the systems and structure of the game tho.
seems too stationary and it feels like tap target , hope i am wrong ....
7:30. This is not ruining the experience for other players. This makes other players group up, start/join clans and alliances make friends along their journey and get more fun out of the game. Dont even get me started on the fun part of the pvp battles there will be involved. Lineage 2 back in the day is a great example. I miss the good old days to be honest.
It looks good, both for graphically and gameplay-wise, two concerns only:
1) no open world pvp: not really a pvper myself, but as a spiritual successor to Lineage 2 I was hoping TL to have a karma system similar to that... man, I have such great memories of L2, insane stupid fights inside ToI or Cruma with your guildmates, things you rarely see in modern mmorpgs; I realize modern mmo players are different and this system caters to a larger audience, but still...
2) p2w stuff and monetization: I dont really mind the pay for convenience thing, I just hope we won't see shit like TERA's ridicolous wings, costumes and mounts; the biggest fear is about the progression system, I pray we won't see anything like BDO (which I love tbh, I just hate the enhancing thing) or Lost Ark daily chores
exactly if they KEEP IT LIKE THIS, im gona skip it, no point on even playing. another worthless mmorpg. so its not a l2 successor like wtf am i supposed to gear up i need OWPVP
The outro is the best. I think many millions of us are of the same mind on the thought of monetization and our powerlessness to do anything about it. But we will still complain because it's the only tool we have. rofl
Thanks for mentioning NCsoft at the start so I can go back to other videos saved me time.
a lot of mmos would be great if it wasn't for their communities. People rush endgame on the day of release, without enjoying the progression, the RPG aspects of it etc, and then complain there's not enough content ¬¬. And when companies make a hardcore game, gamers complain it's too grindy, "nobody got time for this" etc etc. The worst part of mmorpgs is the players imho
Awesome video. I really appreciate that you don’t click bait your titles! Huge respect!
Is there a way to pre-order this game if so where?
This is the first i have heard of this game but after watching you review I am definitely excited about its release. I am concerned about 100 player type sieges in an MMO as they are usually to much of a strain on the average PC and i suspect will be a lag fest unless you are lucky enough to have some super high end pc. However as an ex EQ2 player and huge fan of that game I love the fact you mention openworld pvp. In EQ2 they were able to balance it where there were dungeons you could run but at the risk of running into another group of 6 other hostile players while in there but they also had instances where you could go and just do them without the risk of pvp. Also another great thing EQ2 had was you could not be ganked by L30 players if you were L10. L1-10 could only fight other L1-10 - you were only slightly vulnerable when you hit L11 and perhaps a L19 attacked you but soon as they hit L20 you could not fight with that player unless you chose to. Also you could choose a crafting line that meant you could create an EVAC item if you wanted to escape being ganked and even some classes of player had a group evac etc. Anyway so all in all if Throne and Liberty is going to be able to balance how the openworld pvp works this is rly exciting as i have been holding out for new generation type EQ2 for so many years now, not these MMO's where you choose to go to a particular area and just have stupid fights like capture the flag and crap but if you were in open world it was pve only. If its not monthly subscription based then i dont mind a bit of element of money being spent to get certain cool things or to purchase currency to spend in the game as long as its not totally pay to win. All in all I am looking forward to seeing more reviews from you now i have found your channel and obviously very much looking forward to seeing this game when released. Thx for making me aware of this potentially very good MMORPG coming out in early 2023.
Keep it up man. Been watching since.... i think like the start of the force feed. Always great content.
they said that it is only designed for Pc and console only .. but it can be streamed on mobile- not sure what this means.. maybe NCsoft has their own streaming app .. I'm confused..
FFXI also had a similar style of dungeons and Open world Fights and Bosses. Only REAL instance of the Dynasty to farm relics for your Weapon skills. They had mini bosses called " Triggers" If you killed these bosses you got items to summon a boss. And it was all open world. If your team wiped and died. Anyone could just come in and take that Boss. Same thing with Relic Coffers. Where you got Race / Class specific Armor pieces. Anyone can enter those areas and loot them before you. So it took a lot of time camping spawn points and competing with other players. I enjoyed that style of game play. Can;t wait to see how they do with it in this game.
Since I'm quite interested in this game, I've watched videos about it from different youtubers and I just would like to say that yours (Force Gaming) are of the highest quality (imo). Thank you and good job!
streaming on mobile works by a pc or console streaming the game to a mobile device through internet. this is actually a really smart way for people to be able to play on mobile AAA mmos where the mobile port doesn't take away from the game since it still primarily running from a pc.
Multilayered noninstanced dungeons would be great to see come back to mmorpgs. However considering how utter crap all other Korean games are, I am very sceptical that a few "right" things can save that type of game. The fast paced shallow action combat and the simple systems to match is the usual killer. But lets watch and see.
man "fast paced shallow action combat" is the perfect description i couldn't think of for the spammy, low amount of abilities garbage that's been creeping into almost every single latest mmo, which all look like glorified mobile games (probably literally by design as mobile is the biggest market..)
Yeah, it looks like a BDO clone.
@@whiskizyo2067 Well, how many skills do you actually need for it to not feel shallow?
I look at a game like FF14, and most classes have 6-7 skills they use constantly, 6-8 skills that are situational, and another 6-8 that are even more situational and see very little use.
And then I look at a game like Guild Wars 1, where you can only bring 8 skills at any given time and those 8 skills literally define how you play, so I don't really get your grievances here.
Combat is usually thing they get right. Like BDO and BnS combat systems are fun af, everything else is the problem. It's the Western games that hae the shallow and boring action combat like ESO and New World.
I mean lineage 2 was actually fun :) specially the private servers with (pvp) xp and drop rates xD
It will be cross platform for consoles only or pc and consoles? Players from PC can party with console people?
Do we know exactly when it will come out? Early 2023 or later 2023?
Has NCsoft figured out how to code a sprint button yet, or will we have to run everywhere in slow motion?
I also have always felt that xp boosts need to apply more to the solo player because completing dungeons and quests is harder in solo than with groups.
For example, I played Lineage 2 back in 2003, and this Project TL has been a thing for a long time; I checked all the videos and updates for this project, but I actually do not have something I wish to share at this point. I assume a number of video viewers are like me, they check the videos but do not write comments.
I remember EverQuest in '99 before instances was a thing. Racing guilds to spawns was the thing.
somewhat new here, but this may be my favorite channel on YT nowadays 👍🏻
How would you get put on the list for beta testing?
Wanted to start this off with a thank you to you Force Gaming, this was an excellent breakdown as I only had cursory knowledge of the T&L now I know a bit more of what to expect and am liking what I am seeing. Keep up the great work!
AQ3D and imo osrs are good on both pc and mobile. Better on PC for sure, but if you are say on break at work and wanna grind a bit you can and it works quite well. Those are examples of it done right :) PWI (Perfect World International) had flying mounted combat which I always thought was cool, it could have been a great game had it not been so p2w, wish more game would add mounted/mounted flight combat. I will say I used to be all about the full story but most of it is too recycled for me at this point. Only games I can really do it for are; Final Fantasy 14 because their story is part of the world building and they tell it with you as the main character, so it doesn't feel like a story is happening and you are just there, instead the story feels like it is only happening because you are there and are moving it forward. It is actually really well done. As well as Star Wars: The Old Republic for the same reasons listed above but the cut scenes have prompt like the old Kotor games and so you are the MC in that one too. But yeah unless the mmo can make the cutscenes matter and not feel like if you weren't there it still would have gone down the same I don't really feel invested.
i think the best option would be some open dungeons and some instanced dungeons.... or some system to limit quantity of people entering open dungeons at one time to not have a 500 player horde through all the dungeons
Thats what i was thinking too
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Eso already does public dungeons which are not instanced. Works well enough.
Love your take on such games, i too am very excited about t&l , hope they don't botch it with p2w elements
seeing how it's NCSoft.. yeah.. P2W all right.. but as long as the P2W isn't that godlike, i don't mind, being an Asian and playing Asian made MMORPG since 2010. i am used it by now, spending a few hundred dollars for a game that makes you happy is all right
@@AJ-rc5lr l2 wasn't always p2w. Gw2 and gw1 arent either. Wildstar wasnt either! I do have some hope in ncsoft
Great review on this game please keep us updated. I used to play a game called asheron's call. Do you have any recommendations for a game similar to that? Maybe this?
I just want action-like combat like BDO
What its concerning to me is the recommended pc specifications,anyone knows what pc will require to play it decently at high/ultra graphics?
The dungeons seem like eso public dungeons which I always loved. The ONLY thing I hated about eso was the need for regular attack weaving during combat. This game looks awesome and at least with NC soft we know it will be a decent game out the gate.
is that action combat or just tab targeting?
you do know the views count if ppl went to the website.
The biggest thing that gives me hope for this game is what they did with guild wars. I don't mind them monetizing fashion items and even some convenience items if the game is good.
It's back to the roots for NCsoft . T&L reminds me of Lineage 2 days ^^
I created 2 topics on the WoW forums centered around open instances and what they could bring to the game. One was geared toward the pvp aspect and the other more toward pve. Dragonflight has introduced a fairly competent alternative for open world content, but I still feel that an open instance would be far superior. If this game implements them well, perhaps Blizzard will steal the idea. Hell, I stole the idea from EQ so that'd be fair imo.
They have to impelement every dungeon to azeroth and other realms which is impossible instances exists like single realm but they can change it on new maps in new expansions but people don’t like huge changes
"new world doesnt have a class system"
yes they do. your class is now your weapon. same thing honestly.
the only true classless system i have seen is archeage, where they had so many class combos (up to like 128 or something, pick 3 of 9) where while a meta does form, you can pick counters. you can be that weirdo that chose 3 seemingly non-synergetic classes and suddenly people dont know how to deal with you.
Everytime I hear NCSoft I think of Wildstar... and how much I miss it
It is going to be like Lineage 1. Not Everquest and not Lineage 2. I wish more people played it so they could understand what NCSOFT is clearly aiming for. Oh well. Really excited either way and I hope the morph gacha isn't too extreme(it will be).
i've been playing their other releases of recent and yes they were very lineage 1 oriented.. i think this game will be an amalgamation of all their projects the past few years and they'll adjust it after release.. yeah, if there is an endgame polymorph or pay for stats then it'll piss off quite a many players...
Once again the question about performance arises with such ambitious goals. I do hope that MMO's in general will tackle this problem in the (near) future!
If we can upload images and make whatever face we want, i'll spent shitload of time on that. Already had 20+ characters on wwe 2k22 like Agent 13, quake, black canary, supergirl, donna troy, clark kent, lex luthor from smallville, etc. Would love to make Yennifer/zatanna/merlin if going for wiz or green arrow if going for archer.
Do they have healer weapon\class?
"There are some major concerns about huge groups completely clearing everything quickly and ruining the experience" this will absolutely happen DAILY, who are we kidding.
Take the latest one like New World, the good loots drop once per day in elite zones. So everyday (during prime time) there will be multiple public "Bus" between 50-200 players just running through all the open world Boss areas (Elite Zones) and killing everything. It will be the same for this game. Accept this fact now, be patient, wait for respawn and it wont "ruin" your precious gaming experience or otherwise you're gonna have a bad time.
They already bailed on open world PVP which was a huge selling point and made it only in safe spaces. However I'll still be trying it out.
NCSOFT did well with Guildwars 2, leaves a great deal of hope for Throne and Liberty.
to clarify...eventually they did well with GW2.
Can you please comment on what appears to be static combat like for example what lineage 2 had?
Action Combat: No Thanks!
Tab Targeting: Ok, I'll try it.
finally a MMO that is actually an open world, and not just zones bundled up.
Considering the adventure on rails preset path of many games,
the ability to not only go anywhere in 2D, but extend that to 3D space if you have/find the right tool for the job,
is actully an argument thats barely touched upon and often little more than a carefully stage managed area gimmick when it is.
So I get wht he is saying.
If you see a mountain, you know you aint going up it unless you can find a preset path made for you.
What if you simply bought/found/created some claws and rope ?
Its a good argument between trying to manage exploits or player trespassing into out of bounds areas,
and simply accepting it as part of gameplay with counterplay and not implementing out of bounds areas that can be trespasses into.
ie. rather than deny the players the problem, give the players the tools to deal with the problem...or not if they so choose to ignore it.
It seems to me taking the away the players own ability to solve problems they may face, even those unknown to everyone, is part of the modern gaming problem.
Been watching your videos for years man. Since Destiny 1 I believe.
You are by FAR my favorite source for gaming news.
Your style of editing and delivery are a huge inspiration to me!
Many blessings to you, Force!
Ok Dungeons that might have multiple groups doing different bosses in real time seamlessly... THAT has blown my mind, the fact that you will be running by other groups inside a dungeon is sooooo super immersive instead of dungeons are only locked to our group
My only question is how do they prevent the other raid group of just harrassing other group's fight?
guild/clan wars inside popular dungeons. Take a look at Lineage 2, it has the same system
Which comes out first TAL or Blue Protocol
Been waiting over a year for this. Fingers crossed!
I just want a Guild Wars game that kept the same foundations of Prophecies- Eye of the North. Really miss it, just wanted to jump
You said the magic word for me. “EverQuest”
This guy mentioned weapon based mmos doesn't mention GW2 instead mentions Albion?!
This scene at 9:39 had me giggling
Even if it is filled with predatory microtransactions, the game itself just looks fun to play that I would still give it a chance
my concerns are, will this game have an gear enhancement RNG like all other korean mmos? then im out... i don't get why this systems are so popular compared to the good old loot systems from the "good old times" (playing mmorpgs since 2002)
what is orrying me is Render Distance. some people dont have high end PCs (not me, but others) and they will be at a straight disadvantage in PvP if they cant handle a larger Render Distance than others.. that is the only thing that worries me with the Seamless Open World.. cause if many ppl dont have that good PC they will be discouraged to PvP since they could be killed before even seeing their Attacker
The game looks great but I'm only worried about 2 things, PVP and Monetization. It's about to be released globally and we don't have any word yet on what monetization they'll be using, which is a HUGE red flag. And about the pvp it will be necessary to see exactly how they implement those notices of pvp available-unavailable areas. Placing too many peace zones ruins the immersion in the game
This game does look pretty good. The few things I am worried about are needed a fairly beefy pc to run it smoothly, and the monetization. If they try to do a buy to play and then try to make it pay to win or pay for convivence that will be a pass. If the game is free to play and as long as it isn't pay to win, I will give it a try. I am done with all of the cash grabs crap these companies are trying.
So how do you expect he game to be profitable ? I get it not being pay to win thats a given but pay for convenience is the most viable method. Nothing in this world is free and they didnt make this game soley for our joy. It a business at the end of the day
@@ShizzleGaming14 Ok, first of I did not say I they should not have monetization. I said If they try to do a buy to play which is having a box price to play at first then try to add a pay to win mechanic into the game. I am more than aware nothing in this world is free. If people would read everything or listen to people while they are talking and not only put partial attention in misunderstandings would not happen.
the good thing is The game will be simultaneously released around the globe.
Maybe one mmorpg with a really cool black desert like wizard without the dumb grinding! I'm just very scared of the opened dungeon, every game I tried with that kind of dungeon, ppl farm the bosses and you never have something to kill, espcially in end game where everybody try to kill the same bosses
All NCSoft MMOs fulfilled a particularly significant niche for each of their games. I'm looking forward to what aspects of Aion they're putting into this game. It's going to have siege battles & I'm assuming some high skill ceiling combat mechanics. That's enough to satisfy my tastes. The crafting in Aion from what I experienced was rather simple & satisfying. Judging by how it was present in their other games, I'm assuming this game will check all my boxes while attempting to be a relevant & modern for the masses - Meaning a PvE focused game first before PvP.
I'm too old to care about P2W at this point. I've seen all the flashy games with all their problems and I don't mind jumping into a new & promising game having to spend a bit if I can keep up from day 1. If you genuinely like a game, you'll do what you have to in order to stay on top & at that point you're not going to shell too much into the cash shop.
I can respect your opinion but for me I love the narratives for MMORPG's after all they are still RPGS. Narratives are part of the lore.
Idk how to feel about non instanced dungeons, I feel like they should have a loading screen. So that other groups can't zerg through or train mobs, and so that they can be a huge area that wont affect performance of anyone playing nearby.
Ever play lineage 2? The zeeg trains in Cruma tower. 30 golems being trained indy the boss room. Was a nightmare. Then the bots. So many bots!
you dont go to a boss unless you are not prepared, meaning you need to have the manpower to clear that content. You dont go there with your five crew homies because is not a World of warcraft dungeon . If i didnt had the guild ready i was not going to do it , i had to farm in some other place with a smaller party, get money and luckily buy the gear i need later from a seller . Easy like that. Oh, the tears this game will cause... :)
Man I miss that chaos of EQ. Sure there are issues but it was just so fun and immersive. I made awesome friends back in those days. This looks really promising. I played on Firiona the role playing server and everyone was so nice and considerate. Hopefully the player base is chill but that's probably hoping for too much today lol
Lets hope for a quick Pantheon release!
Can't wait to give it a shot.. i've played alot of the current MMORPGS and nothing just holds my attention anymore.. i keep defaulting back to old ass FFXI.
Totally agree with regards to the mobile first design being a hindrance. Take a look at Black Desert Mobile. Imagine if Black Desert was designed first for the mobile and then brought to PC. The Mobile version of BDO does not have a seamless open world, the mobiles just can't handle it, so the map has been split up into hundreds of zones which you load between. This would be the experience on PC too if the game was made for Mobile first.
If there is weapon swapping I hope its a HELL of a lot better than ESO / New World. In general I haven't been a fan of weapon swapping but this game does look great. Hopefully its a smooth and a near instant swap
For the sake of GW and GW2 I will try it out
most people most likely watched the developer trailer through other youtubers, which would not give the actual dev channel any engagement, unless people re-watch it on their channel
Best Looking NEW MMORPG is Corepunk!
Looks like a great game to look forward to!
Regarding the subject of skills being dependant on the weapon the class or character is using, a great example is Guild Wars 2, where there are a 19 different weapons, and various classes have access to certain ones, yet every class uses them quite differently.
Great examples to look into are greatsword usage between warrior, revenant and mesmer, or hammer usable between revenant, elemenalist and ranger, to mention just some.
If Throne and Liberty makes similar feeling differences between the weapon and is user I am all in!
Great video!
Or you could say that a great example was the Destro in L2 who used four weapons (Bow, Pole, 2HSword, 2H Mace/staff) and rotated between them. Many of the elements that this game has come from there and to compare those with elements from games that came after L2 is absurd.
Before P2W they did make very good MMOS LINEAGE in 1998 and lineage 2 was amazing.. but then lineage 2 did get destroyed by P2W but it was a great MMO
best sieges ever in mmo ... could wreck any door any wall on the castle and make a gate ...
I seriously do not miss the "Train to zone" in CT/Guk/etc and then having to do corpse recoveries because a group lost control. Also not a fan of having that one person think they want to solo that one "boss" so they drag the entire first half of a dungeon in on your group because they cant/won't fight it solo and train your group, wiping it while you were already engaged in a boss fight with its own adds and then off they go to another find their boss. The current MMO player base is not like it used to be where the majority was courteous of other groups. And the monetization for anything other than cosmetics is 100% a sham.
So this is tab targeting? Not action combat??