I love this movie. The scene that gets me the most is when Benjamin goes to ride off with Gabriel and Susan starts to speak, begging him not to go. Of all the heartbreaking moments in the movie, as a father myself, that one gets to me the most. I always get teary-eyed.
I agree with you about this scene. As a son whose Mom died, I put myself into Susan's place. Except I replace Pappa with Momma. Momma please don't go. I always tear up. This scene stabs me in the heart.
Vince mentioned it. What The Patriot really gets right is involving the audience. You really care for these people, so it gets you really invested in their lives and caring what happens to them. And that immerses you in the plot and action.
"I'm not a child! You're MY child!" Is such a a raw interaction, the young man wanting to prove himself, and the father who knows the horror of war not wanting to lose him
Fr, I first saw this as a teen, had no kids, so that line "you're MY child!" didnt have much of an impact. I'm a parent now and that line puts a lump in my throat thesedays. I get it now, lol
I have seen others on TH-cam review this movie, but by far, you two are the best. You discussed it, you let it in, and felt it. I'm an Army vet, and I'm proud of the fact that they won our freedom. My job was to honor and defend it for future generations. With every story, there is a beginning, middle, but our story is ongoing, so it's never ending. Thank you for watching it.
While Braveheart is a fantastic movie, I'm surprised nobody is bringing up the film Last of the Mohicans, after The Patriot. It's set in the French and Indian War, the same war that Mel Gibson's fictional character (Ben Martin) is a veteran of. It has just as much of that guerilla warfare style action (if not more so) and some brilliant acting by Daniel Day Lewis (one of the finest living actors today). Also one of the most badass musical scores ever composed.
The scene where Gabriel is recruiting in the church gets me every time. Every. Single. Time. Like those feelings of freedom and liberty. Those words. The absolutely amazing music. And then the first volunteer stands up. Man, I absolutely lose it. I’ll be weeping like a little baby.
I love the deaf dad who conveniently isn’t actually deaf when he talks to Mel Gibson in their interactions, but pretends to be deaf when Gabriel comes by.
I second the motion of both “Braveheart”, “Last of the Mohicans” & “Kingdom of Heaven” (directors cut) to compliment this film. Although this film took a lot of liberties, which I don’t like, one cannot deny the inspiring nature. Glad y’all enjoyed it!
They were going to make a straight biopic about Francis Marion (🎶”Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox, Tail on his hat”🎶), but then learned from historical research that Marion was one of the most vile people ever to come out of the era. So they made a composite character instead.
With the exception of We were soldiers, everything Randall Wallace and Mel Gibson touch in the historical genre is full of liberties and bastardizations. Braveheart is basically a meme for not only being historically inaccurate, but they failed at even making it historically authentic (i.e. The scots did not paint themselves blue and kilts wouldn't be a thing for another 300 years). In the Patriot both the protagonist and antagonist were based on real people. Benjamin Martin was based on Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox". While an effective Guerilla leader, he was by all accounts not a moral man. Unlike the rather progressive abolitionist Martin, Francis Marion was a slave owner who was notorious for executing any black British soldiers they captured, particularly cruel to escaped slaves that defected to the crown (and be honest can you blame them?). Then there is Col. Tavington who was based on Banistare Tarleton. With him they just went with the propaganda and stopped their research. His reputation as a butcher came from one incident in which his men killed surrendering Americans AFTER he was shot off his horse by one of said surrendering Americans. He gave no order for his men to retaliate as he was incapacitated. This was confirmed by first hand accounts from both sides. Also, when he was able to collect himself he ordered his men to stop and give quarter to the Americans. However, the Americans used it as a propaganda coup to paint Tarleton as a butcher. Don't get me started on the Church scene. Nothing like that happened during the revolution. The inspiration for the scene was from an event that occurred during the occupation of France in WW2 perpetrated by the Nazi's. You can make a compelling British revolutionary war villain without going as far as making them a literal Nazi.
11:56 For those who dont understand why war were fought like that, heres why. 1. Muskets were smoothbore, meaning no rifling. The bullets were also spherical, meaning they would waver and kinda curl around randomly as they flew through the air. So the best method of hitting the target was to simply all fire at once. 2. They didnt go into a prone position because reloading a musket was basically impossible when laying down, so standing or maybe kneeling was the only option. 3. Tight formations were needed in order to prevent cavalry charges from crashing through your lines. It also kept unit cohesion for the officers/generals to know where everyone was. If everyone tried to stay behind cover, a simple charge would break the entire line and possibly penetrate deep behind the lines. 4. There WAS rifle units that were extremely accurate, but they stayed in looser formations in order to "harass" the enemy, but not stand in a legit fight. Plus most rifled muskets didn't have bayonet attachments until more into the 19th century. 5. The American Civil War for example is when the tactics i mentioned above, met with RIFLES for the first time. So instead of most men having smoothbore, now almost everyone had rifled muskets, hence why the Civil War was so deadly. 1 good volley and the whole front rank would fall down.
You would love "Master and Commander : The Far Side of The World" with Russell Crowe. The action takes place about 30 years later and it's the British Navy against the French! ... The most accurate Age of Sail Warfare movie ever made!
I personally recommend the Hornblower series starring Ioan Gruffudd as well as the Sharpe series (both are also set during the Napoleonic Wars) starring Sean frigging Bean.
I love this movie! When I was in high school I watched it every day for damn near months straight. Although the portrayal of characters and events are not historically accurate, what is right on is the consequences of war. It's heartbreaking, tragic, and the unfortunate reality. Thankfully, it's also an awesome action film with great performances from the cast and some nice running jokes throughout (making the chair, the teeth, the dogs, etc.) happy to have watched it with you guys!
You guys are an absolutely adorable couple and watching y'all's reaction was almost as good as watching the movie itself, love and God's blessings on you both ❤
Fighting was done in lines like that because armies would use muskets which had no rifling, making them inaccurate. If you wanted to hit anything you had to mass your troops up to concentrate their fire. Not to mention that they were single shot weapons that took a trained soldier 15-20 seconds to reload so when armies came close enough to each other the battle would revert to hand to hand fighting.
Absolutely loved this movie. So many great moments and scenes, one part is where at the time stamp 25:35 where he asks him where his children would be hidden and then the camera cuts to other British personnel and the look on their face was like “come on man don’t stoop to that monstrous level”. Just little things like that make this movie a spectacle.
12:20 you were almost there. The standard issued firearm for that time period was "smoothbore" muskets. There are videos on TH-cam demonstrating the accuracy of of those weapons. in short, the historian stood 25 yards from his "barn door" sized target and fired enough "bullets" at the target, to determine the "grouping" of his shot (the size differential of where you aim, to where the musket ball impacted, along with measuring the distance between each landed shot). If I am remembering correctly, his "shot group" was between 3 to 1 meter(s) apart (no rear sight on muskets and he was standing in open ground - which makes it difficult to precisely aim) ... scoring a "hit on target" was about 50/50. So, to overcome the limitations of that technology, formations had to be close together, firing at the commander's order, so that each barrage acted like a large caliber shotgun - with no choke on the barrel. That being said, rifles did exist **(meaning: a rifle has a measured helical pattern of grooves cut into the bore wall, inside the barrel - to stabilize the " flying bullet" by imparting a spin to the projectile)** and were common in Armies of that time period. However, they were reserved for "special" types of units (e.g: scouts, scrimmagers, marksmen, etc.) and NOT for frontline combat. One reason being: reloading a flintlock rifle took a considerable amount of time, compared to muskets. The "simplified version" of tactics of that time depended on "overwhelming volume of fire" towards the enemy, while maintaining formation (Maintaining a close formation prevents your soldiers from getting "singled out and picked apart," while also preventing a potential surprise enemy bayonet/cavalry charge). The goal wasn't necessarily to "kill as many as you can" during these "musket barrages"... but to drive away, demoralize and disorganize the enemy - so that its easier for your solders to cut down the survivors by a bayonet charge (when there's an opening in the enemy's formation), or to send your cavalry to attack their flank. note: another reason (among many other reasons) why muskets were still preferred over rifles during American Revolution: flintlock riles weren't initially designed to use/attach bayonets (which means: vulnerable to cavalry attacks). Which didn't get remedied until 1801 (see the British "Baker rifle" - officially known as the Pattern 1800 Infantry Rifle). About 18 years after the war.
The ‘Patriot’ is a fantastic movie and I love it😆🔥. Mel Gibson did a phenomenal job playing ‘Benjamin Martin’, Heath Ledger was really good as well as ‘Gabriel’ and Jason Issacs was brilliant as the antagonist ‘Colonel William Tavington’🤩🤩. Loved your reaction/analysis, take care and have a good one❤️
“The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.” - Thomas Jefferson 24:42 It’s always so much more frightening and bone chilling when rage and anger are spoken so quiet. All the love guys. Great reaction :)
So much local history for me in this movie. Have driven past Cowpens Battleground (final battle) so many times, been there countless times. Same as Kings Mountain. Live right in the middle of them. I realize how fortunate I am to have so much history so close and know the true people behind this fictional version.
First in Europe, then in America, it was Christian abolitionists that fought and won the victory to free slaves. they were fighting for other rights as well but it should always be remembered now and in the past it was Christians who fought to free slaves of all colors throughout history. i’m glad the movie was historically accurate in the lead characters praising God for the victory. Great reaction you two.
The reason they fought in formations like that during those times was because it was the only way for them to maintain command and control of large armies. The invention of the musket made it possible to pull someone off the street and make them an effective soldier with minimal training. This allowed armies to easily grow their forces to sizes never seen before, but created another problem: massive forces like that would quickly descend into chaos if not strictly controlled. So they set them up in formations and used drums and flags to send commands. Believe it or not, even with how slow and lumbering this seems, these types of forces were the height of military prowess at the time and would absolutely decimate smaller forces. Only the invention of modern electronic communications were we able to control large forces without having to resort to these tactics.
As a former military guy and history nerd: 1) I love this movie. 2) The young man's comments shows he "gets it" on many concepts and you're very insightful "reading between the lines" on things. (see: your comment about pride and understanding Cornwallace's battle plan)
This is a great film! For historical perspective( and your movie collection ): 1. The Patriot - 2000 ( takes place 1776 Charleston, South Carolina ) 2. Last of The Mohicans - 1992 ( takes place 1757 Upstate colonial New York ) 3. The Mission - 1986 ( takes place 1750 Argentina/Paraguay Igauza Falls ) I consider them companion films. If you haven't seen some of the above movies; please add them to your lists. Thank you. You have a new subscriber. 😃
Hey guys! Love your videos! :) just wanted to say and I’m sure it’s been said, but the reasons they fight in lines are; for starters the guns they used were very inaccurate maybe a real effective range of about 75-100 yards. The reason for this is. The bullet(at the time was just a lead ball) was smaller than the barrel. This was good for a quick reload but when fired the ball would jiggle about the smooth barrel of the gun and come out. So not really great, but they found if you got a bunch of people and shot a huge wall of lead someone would hit something. The other reason is because the guns produced a huge amount of smoke and you need to know who’s on your team which is why they wore red as well. We see it and are like “that’s dumb” but if you can’t tell who’s on your team with all the smoke bad things happen. Hope you got to see this and wish you both the best!!
Pretty much it, volume of fire was key. Another was command & control - at that time with these kinds of tactics it was loud and smoke everywhere, so having these formations made it easier to issue and understand/hear the commands ( supported by acoustics like trumpets or drums). As weapons developed and became more accurate tactics also changed. Shortly after the Civil War in the 1860s armies began moving away from line infantry tactics as standard rifles became more precise and rate of fire increased, the final element was the introduction of machine guns in the 1880s that made line infantry advances suicide with little to no chance of success, leading to the adoption of light infantry skirmish tactics - the method of infantry fighting ever since.
Once the French joined in, the American revolution actually became a side-show, as far as Britain was concerned. Protection of the West Indies was the prime objective: Jamaica alone provided more to the British economy than all 13 colonies put together.
How have I not realized y’all haven’t done this one yet? Seriously. This genuinely might be my favorite movie. Like I literally became an American History major specializing on the American Revolution because of this movie. And freedom. I guess freedom kinda pushed me that way too 🤣
this film was handcrafted to make anyone who watches it cry. such an emotional rollercoaster, happy, sad, cry , happy, and makes you hate the villains so much
This is now my favorite reaction channel, you are genuine and truly good people. I watch all your reactions. There are a few movies, maybe 5, that I come back from time to time to watch again, this is one; Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, The13th Warrior with antonio banderas (1999), that transmit something through the screen: action, values, courage, fighting for what is good. In my opinion it's sad that the era of making movies like this is over. We still have these examples of good work in front of and behind the screen. Keep it up guys!! Cheers!!
I agree dude. I discovered these two a few months ago and did my best in my own head not to like them. Didn't work. They're reasonably intelligent and sometimes insightful yet the realness of emotion is the entertainment value.
I love your guys perspective of this movie. Its not totally acurate however it works in telling the tale. It is amazing to think that we lived outside of our means and it is also difficult to think of life before cellphones or the internet even though those things only showed up in the last decade. I love the score by John Williams. And Mel nevever gets enough respect. Whatch more Gibson movies, lol.
Cool u watched this one! The Martin character was based on F Marion & Marion's tactics influenced contemporary US Spec Ops units like the Rangers & SF & similar units in other countries.
What good men had to do and give so WE can have the freedom that most the world will never see or understand.........I cry every time..........Braveheart is a must FFFRREEEDOOOOMMMMM !
Y’all need to watch the 1970’s Waterloo with Christopher Plumber. By far the most historically accurate war movie down to the dialogue and no cgi. The entire battlefield was recreated and there were nearly 20,000 extras and over 2,000 horses. Plus the film company no longer exists so you can watch it on TH-cam no copyright.
Just imagine if every family in this country was like this family and their communities. We surely would not be in the mess we are in today. I am proud of you for seeing the message of this film. Perserverance, faith, family, friends and love of your country. They don't teach the truth about our past patriots and our founding fathers. Instead, the schools, universities and the media portray nothing but hate.
The grooves inside the barrel of the rifle you're thinking of is called rifling which allows the bullet to fly straight, faster and further than Revolutionary muskets which were ineffective past twenty yards when fired by a single man, the earliest single shot rifle I know is the Kentucky long rifle which had a maximum effective range of two hundred yards making it an ideal rifle for both military use and hunting dangerous game from a safe distance. Y'all should check out The Alamo from 2004 with Dennis Quaid as one of the actors
Yep, the American colonists had the advantage of having the Kentucky rifles and being able to use its effective range to fire upon the red coats. Such skirmshers and guerilla tactics played a huge role
@@koreancowboy42 I know lone sharp shooters had them and militia's had a few Kentucky long rifles mixed in with their muskets, like the ambush scene in this movie where her rescues his eldest son he was more than twenty yards away otherwise he wouldn't have been able to hit the officer on the horse.
Well when I’m trying to get to sleep at 1am and see this pop up I must watch! Been waiting for you guys to watch this one, a fantastic movie and up there on my ranking for sure as well!
This was the fighting style at the time for most of the European empires and armies. Believe it or not it was considered civilized, and I guess in some ways it is. It lasted till things got more mechanized around 100 years later, and started evolving in what we know war to be today.
I love this movie so much. Since you seemed to enjoy this film might I suggest The Last of the Mohicans? " It's so well done and y'all would enjoy it I think. I enjoyed y'alls reactions. Thanks guys!
my brother, father and i were extras in this movie....it was a great memory to be apart of such a great movie and meet mel gibson and heath ledger even just briefly. They asked for ppl to show up to be extras and we were picked, my dad was in a redcoat, funny he was Army at the time....me and my brother were militia men.
Love the channel. This is a great movie. Heartbreak after heartbreak, like I'm sure this war was for most families that lived through it. I also love the hope and determination for freedom it shows.
Yo, I have the SAME blanket-- and have had it for years, and will pass it to my children when I die-- as it is THE most comfortable blanket I've ever owned.
Really enjoying your genuine reactions..most people are probably familiar with Heath Ledger's tragic demise, but not too many probably know about the horrible fate of Skye McCole Bartusiak, the actress who played Susan. So incredibly sad.. as much as I love this film, it sometimes makes it doubly hard to watch, having lost those two way too early..XO
This movie is terribly underrated! About the "weird fighting", it is based on the rules of war at that time. It was all about honor and respect, they had to be in line to be honorable in the fight and militias and insurrection warfare techniques were seen as a cowardly way of fighting Also, the ending is amazing, us French people take great pride in helping the USA win this war
@Marc D. That is not historically accurate. There were no rules that stated that militaries had to fight in lines. The reason that militaries fought in lines is because of the guns they were using. The average soldier used a smooth-bore musket that had a 20% misfire rate on a good day. If you were in a row of 100 soldiers and your gun misfires, in all likelihood the 99 other soldiers would hit something. I used to like the Patriot, but when I learned history, I’ve grown to dislike it more and more as it’s not historically accurate.
I'm glad you guys love this movie. Great reaction. Maybe you can understand why there are Americans who are very patriotic. Who wave the flag. Strongly believe in the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the 2nd Amendment, teaching true US History (the good and bad), pledging alliance to the flag, standing up for the National Anthem, want civics and responsibilities of US citizenship taught in schools and other gestures of patriotism. The movie showed some of the sacrifices that people suffered, including the Founding Fathers. They said "We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes, And Our Sacred Honor". Can we do no less?
Having owned and still owning a Charleville and Brown Bess, linear warfare was the only way to fight with muskets, military muskets were bored and military loads for firing had a smaller lead ball to help facilitate faster loading, the whole tactic of lining up was to pack as many muskets together as possible. This side steps the general unreliability of a musket, yes you can take care of them as best as you can but sometimes they dont always work, the second was one of accuracy, so instead of aiming for individual targets a whole formation of men would aim and fire their volley collectively at the enemy, so someone is going to hit someone.
I had to look and didn't see it, so I will suggest the movie Glory with Mathew Brodrick, Carrey Elwes, Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman. It is a civil war movie about the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Regiment. It's a damn good movie, even though some scenes are hard to watch.
To answer your question at 12:00. It was because rifling had not been invented yet. Every gun was smoothbore, therefore they were only accurate 50-75 yards, so the way you maximize firepower is giant volleys at close range. The reason why the British dominated the world at this time was the discipline of the reloading capabilities of their soldiers. When you can fire 3 shots at the enemy in a minute cause you are so well trained, and the enemy can only fire 1-2 max, its a MASSIVE advantage. So in short, they fought that way cause they had to in order to get any kind of damage to the enemy. Cannons are another story, but EXTREMELY expensive and an absolute pain to haul around. The Baker rifle which came out about 30 years later, which had rifling, and could start to hit men 250+ yards, completely changing the way warfare is done to this very day.
After this great one you must react to Braveheart, a masterpiece staring Mel Gibson and also directed by him , in my opinion one of the greatest love story ever told. This movie does to men what The Notebook does to women 😢❤😢
U have to live Mel's movies. All extremely beautiful and graphic and true events or true stories. This, Once we were Soldiers, hacksaw Ridge, passion of the Christ, Braveheart. Not Blackhawk Down, tho he easily could have.
This is my first time watching a full reaction from y'all. I love the commentary. And about your comment on how bizarre the fighting and warfare seemed; The American Revolution falls in the "early modern period". It's an interesting time when guns have obviously become the primary weapons used in warfare, but aren't so accurate that soldiers can always utilize "guerilla" tactics. And at certain moments of combat, melee weapons could still be successfully used against the enemy, such as when you say the cavalry charge against the retreating soldiers.
The scene when the little girl his daughter says that she'll talk and say whatever he wants just don't go breaks my freaking heart every time and I ball like a baby. And the scene with John's son when he kills himself and Thomas. A lot of sad parts lol
Good reaction! The reason why they stood in line formation like that was because muskets were actually very inaccurate (notwithstanding the shooting talents of Mel Gibson's character) with very little range. So the best way to use them was to throw a wall a lead. You got a much better chance at hitting something that way.
I love this movie. The scene that gets me the most is when Benjamin goes to ride off with Gabriel and Susan starts to speak, begging him not to go. Of all the heartbreaking moments in the movie, as a father myself, that one gets to me the most. I always get teary-eyed.
Yeah that part ALWAYS makes me cry!!
Such a good actress that little girl. I have no children. But I'm in pieces over that. "Papa!"
I agree with you about this scene. As a son whose Mom died, I put myself into Susan's place. Except I replace Pappa with Momma. Momma please don't go. I always tear up. This scene stabs me in the heart.
@@mattjamison484 what’s really sad is that just 14 years later, the actress who played that little girl died.
As a father of 2 my son being the oldest, my daughter being the youngest, that scene always has me in a puddle of my own tears….✌🏽☮️🤲🙏
Vince mentioned it. What The Patriot really gets right is involving the audience. You really care for these people, so it gets you really invested in their lives and caring what happens to them. And that immerses you in the plot and action.
"I'm not a child!
You're MY child!"
Is such a a raw interaction, the young man wanting to prove himself, and the father who knows the horror of war not wanting to lose him
Fr, I first saw this as a teen, had no kids, so that line "you're MY child!" didnt have much of an impact. I'm a parent now and that line puts a lump in my throat thesedays. I get it now, lol
I have seen others on TH-cam review this movie, but by far, you two are the best. You discussed it, you let it in, and felt it. I'm an Army vet, and I'm proud of the fact that they won our freedom. My job was to honor and defend it for future generations. With every story, there is a beginning, middle, but our story is ongoing, so it's never ending. Thank you for watching it.
While Braveheart is a fantastic movie, I'm surprised nobody is bringing up the film Last of the Mohicans, after The Patriot. It's set in the French and Indian War, the same war that Mel Gibson's fictional character (Ben Martin) is a veteran of. It has just as much of that guerilla warfare style action (if not more so) and some brilliant acting by Daniel Day Lewis (one of the finest living actors today). Also one of the most badass musical scores ever composed.
Last of the mohicans is excellent, especially music . Original HAWKEYE !
Great Movie 👍👍👍
+1 was going to recommend Last of the Mohicans, as well as the soundtrack!
Both!!
Last of the Mohicans is one of my favorite movies of all time. The last 10 minutes of that film is probably the most powerful scene I’ve ever seen.
The scene where Gabriel is recruiting in the church gets me every time. Every. Single. Time.
Like those feelings of freedom and liberty. Those words. The absolutely amazing music. And then the first volunteer stands up. Man, I absolutely lose it. I’ll be weeping like a little baby.
I love the deaf dad who conveniently isn’t actually deaf when he talks to Mel Gibson in their interactions, but pretends to be deaf when Gabriel comes by.
I second the motion of both “Braveheart”, “Last of the Mohicans” & “Kingdom of Heaven” (directors cut) to compliment this film. Although this film took a lot of liberties, which I don’t like, one cannot deny the inspiring nature. Glad y’all enjoyed it!
Aye! I agree with all the suggestions.
Absolutely agree. There are some historical inaccuracies bordering on comical but it's a good well rounded representation none the less.
If I maybe so bold that I would dare to add: Master and Commander: Far side of the World (2003) with these wonderful films.
They were going to make a straight biopic about Francis Marion (🎶”Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox, Tail on his hat”🎶), but then learned from historical research that Marion was one of the most vile people ever to come out of the era. So they made a composite character instead.
With the exception of We were soldiers, everything Randall Wallace and Mel Gibson touch in the historical genre is full of liberties and bastardizations. Braveheart is basically a meme for not only being historically inaccurate, but they failed at even making it historically authentic (i.e. The scots did not paint themselves blue and kilts wouldn't be a thing for another 300 years).
In the Patriot both the protagonist and antagonist were based on real people. Benjamin Martin was based on Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox". While an effective Guerilla leader, he was by all accounts not a moral man. Unlike the rather progressive abolitionist Martin, Francis Marion was a slave owner who was notorious for executing any black British soldiers they captured, particularly cruel to escaped slaves that defected to the crown (and be honest can you blame them?).
Then there is Col. Tavington who was based on Banistare Tarleton. With him they just went with the propaganda and stopped their research. His reputation as a butcher came from one incident in which his men killed surrendering Americans AFTER he was shot off his horse by one of said surrendering Americans. He gave no order for his men to retaliate as he was incapacitated. This was confirmed by first hand accounts from both sides. Also, when he was able to collect himself he ordered his men to stop and give quarter to the Americans. However, the Americans used it as a propaganda coup to paint Tarleton as a butcher.
Don't get me started on the Church scene. Nothing like that happened during the revolution. The inspiration for the scene was from an event that occurred during the occupation of France in WW2 perpetrated by the Nazi's. You can make a compelling British revolutionary war villain without going as far as making them a literal Nazi.
11:56 For those who dont understand why war were fought like that, heres why.
1. Muskets were smoothbore, meaning no rifling. The bullets were also spherical, meaning they would waver and kinda curl around randomly as they flew through the air. So the best method of hitting the target was to simply all fire at once.
2. They didnt go into a prone position because reloading a musket was basically impossible when laying down, so standing or maybe kneeling was the only option.
3. Tight formations were needed in order to prevent cavalry charges from crashing through your lines. It also kept unit cohesion for the officers/generals to know where everyone was. If everyone tried to stay behind cover, a simple charge would break the entire line and possibly penetrate deep behind the lines.
4. There WAS rifle units that were extremely accurate, but they stayed in looser formations in order to "harass" the enemy, but not stand in a legit fight. Plus most rifled muskets didn't have bayonet attachments until more into the 19th century.
5. The American Civil War for example is when the tactics i mentioned above, met with RIFLES for the first time. So instead of most men having smoothbore, now almost everyone had rifled muskets, hence why the Civil War was so deadly. 1 good volley and the whole front rank would fall down.
You would love "Master and Commander : The Far Side of The World" with Russell Crowe. The action takes place about 30 years later and it's the British Navy against the French! ... The most accurate Age of Sail Warfare movie ever made!
I personally recommend the Hornblower series starring Ioan Gruffudd as well as the Sharpe series (both are also set during the Napoleonic Wars) starring Sean frigging Bean.
I love that film. I love it so much that I got two discs and a digital download.❤️💿📀 ❤ 🌊⛵💨💨💥💣⛵
I love this movie! When I was in high school I watched it every day for damn near months straight. Although the portrayal of characters and events are not historically accurate, what is right on is the consequences of war. It's heartbreaking, tragic, and the unfortunate reality. Thankfully, it's also an awesome action film with great performances from the cast and some nice running jokes throughout (making the chair, the teeth, the dogs, etc.) happy to have watched it with you guys!
This was one of my dad's favorite movies and mine too, loved watching it with him. Glad y'all reacted to it, enjoyed watching it with y'all
"Papa, don't go! I'll say anything." Gets me every single time.
I could be pissed ALL DAY LONG...the MOMENT I hear Susan say what she said.....I am DROWNING in my own tears
Every reactor, as well as me, turns into Niagara Falls at this time.
You guys are an absolutely adorable couple and watching y'all's reaction was almost as good as watching the movie itself, love and God's blessings on you both ❤
Fighting was done in lines like that because armies would use muskets which had no rifling, making them inaccurate. If you wanted to hit anything you had to mass your troops up to concentrate their fire.
Not to mention that they were single shot weapons that took a trained soldier 15-20 seconds to reload so when armies came close enough to each other the battle would revert to hand to hand fighting.
Muskets are more then accurate for hitting a man sized target out past 150yds. Linear formations were the easiest way to control large numbers of men.
Last of the mohicans is right up your alley guys. It's probably one of the most underrated movies ever.
Absolutely loved this movie. So many great moments and scenes, one part is where at the time stamp 25:35 where he asks him where his children would be hidden and then the camera cuts to other British personnel and the look on their face was like “come on man don’t stoop to that monstrous level”. Just little things like that make this movie a spectacle.
This is always one of my favorite movies.
When you think about how well this movie was written and how it keeps you from start to finish is incredible
Movie Suggestions.
‘Nell’ starring Jodie Foster.
‘What Lies Beneath’ starring Harrison Ford.
‘Regarding Henry’ starring Harrison Ford.
‘Evolution’ starring David Duchovny.
‘The Skeleton Key’ starring Kate Hudson.
‘Turner and Hooch’ starring Tom Hanks.
‘Castaway’ starring Tom Hanks.
‘Gallipoli’ starring Mel Gibson.
“When I have a family of my own, I won't hide behind them.” RIP Heath Ledger 😢
12:20 you were almost there. The standard issued firearm for that time period was "smoothbore" muskets. There are videos on TH-cam demonstrating the accuracy of of those weapons. in short, the historian stood 25 yards from his "barn door" sized target and fired enough "bullets" at the target, to determine the "grouping" of his shot (the size differential of where you aim, to where the musket ball impacted, along with measuring the distance between each landed shot).
If I am remembering correctly, his "shot group" was between 3 to 1 meter(s) apart (no rear sight on muskets and he was standing in open ground - which makes it difficult to precisely aim) ... scoring a "hit on target" was about 50/50. So, to overcome the limitations of that technology, formations had to be close together, firing at the commander's order, so that each barrage acted like a large caliber shotgun - with no choke on the barrel.
That being said, rifles did exist **(meaning: a rifle has a measured helical pattern of grooves cut into the bore wall, inside the barrel - to stabilize the " flying bullet" by imparting a spin to the projectile)** and were common in Armies of that time period. However, they were reserved for "special" types of units (e.g: scouts, scrimmagers, marksmen, etc.) and NOT for frontline combat. One reason being: reloading a flintlock rifle took a considerable amount of time, compared to muskets.
The "simplified version" of tactics of that time depended on "overwhelming volume of fire" towards the enemy, while maintaining formation (Maintaining a close formation prevents your soldiers from getting "singled out and picked apart," while also preventing a potential surprise enemy bayonet/cavalry charge). The goal wasn't necessarily to "kill as many as you can" during these "musket barrages"... but to drive away, demoralize and disorganize the enemy - so that its easier for your solders to cut down the survivors by a bayonet charge (when there's an opening in the enemy's formation), or to send your cavalry to attack their flank.
note: another reason (among many other reasons) why muskets were still preferred over rifles during American Revolution: flintlock riles weren't initially designed to use/attach bayonets (which means: vulnerable to cavalry attacks). Which didn't get remedied until 1801 (see the British "Baker rifle" - officially known as the Pattern 1800 Infantry Rifle). About 18 years after the war.
Hope you two are having an great and awesome day ❤
The ‘Patriot’ is a fantastic movie and I love it😆🔥. Mel Gibson did a phenomenal job playing ‘Benjamin Martin’, Heath Ledger was really good as well as ‘Gabriel’ and Jason Issacs was brilliant as the antagonist ‘Colonel William Tavington’🤩🤩. Loved your reaction/analysis, take care and have a good one❤️
“The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of Patriots and Tyrants.” - Thomas Jefferson
24:42 It’s always so much more frightening and bone chilling when rage and anger are spoken so quiet.
All the love guys. Great reaction :)
So much local history for me in this movie. Have driven past Cowpens Battleground (final battle) so many times, been there countless times. Same as Kings Mountain. Live right in the middle of them. I realize how fortunate I am to have so much history so close and know the true people behind this fictional version.
First in Europe, then in America, it was Christian abolitionists that fought and won the victory to free slaves. they were fighting for other rights as well but it should always be remembered now and in the past it was Christians who fought to free slaves of all colors throughout history. i’m glad the movie was historically accurate in the lead characters praising God for the victory. Great reaction you two.
The reason they fought in formations like that during those times was because it was the only way for them to maintain command and control of large armies. The invention of the musket made it possible to pull someone off the street and make them an effective soldier with minimal training. This allowed armies to easily grow their forces to sizes never seen before, but created another problem: massive forces like that would quickly descend into chaos if not strictly controlled. So they set them up in formations and used drums and flags to send commands. Believe it or not, even with how slow and lumbering this seems, these types of forces were the height of military prowess at the time and would absolutely decimate smaller forces. Only the invention of modern electronic communications were we able to control large forces without having to resort to these tactics.
As a former military guy and history nerd:
1) I love this movie.
2) The young man's comments shows he "gets it" on many concepts and you're very insightful "reading between the lines" on things. (see: your comment about pride and understanding Cornwallace's battle plan)
"They can kinda just go wild wild west with it" made me lolol. Love it
That little girl gets me every time when she talks to her dad for the first time. 😢
Thank you, your obvious love of freedom and family makes an old man hopeful.
This is a great film! For historical perspective( and your movie collection ):
1. The Patriot - 2000 ( takes place 1776 Charleston, South Carolina )
2. Last of The Mohicans - 1992 ( takes place 1757 Upstate colonial New York )
3. The Mission - 1986 ( takes place 1750 Argentina/Paraguay Igauza Falls )
I consider them companion films. If you haven't seen some of the above movies; please add them to your lists. Thank you. You have a new subscriber. 😃
Oh my goodness, The Mission! The music alone…..*goosebumps*
Great movie for action, but there's very little historical accuracy in the Patriot. A perspective on history only matters if it's true.
The Mission is a must..one of the best music scores of all times..
Y’all was SO into this movie and I share your excitement! One of my favorite movies! Braveheart is your next go to!
Hey guys! Love your videos! :) just wanted to say and I’m sure it’s been said, but the reasons they fight in lines are; for starters the guns they used were very inaccurate maybe a real effective range of about 75-100 yards. The reason for this is. The bullet(at the time was just a lead ball) was smaller than the barrel. This was good for a quick reload but when fired the ball would jiggle about the smooth barrel of the gun and come out. So not really great, but they found if you got a bunch of people and shot a huge wall of lead someone would hit something. The other reason is because the guns produced a huge amount of smoke and you need to know who’s on your team which is why they wore red as well. We see it and are like “that’s dumb” but if you can’t tell who’s on your team with all the smoke bad things happen. Hope you got to see this and wish you both the best!!
Pretty much it, volume of fire was key. Another was command & control - at that time with these kinds of tactics it was loud and smoke everywhere, so having these formations made it easier to issue and understand/hear the commands ( supported by acoustics like trumpets or drums).
As weapons developed and became more accurate tactics also changed. Shortly after the Civil War in the 1860s armies began moving away from line infantry tactics as standard rifles became more precise and rate of fire increased, the final element was the introduction of machine guns in the 1880s that made line infantry advances suicide with little to no chance of success, leading to the adoption of light infantry skirmish tactics - the method of infantry fighting ever since.
Great reaction. Many don't know that the American Revolution would have failed without the help of the French.
Once the French joined in, the American revolution actually became a side-show, as far as Britain was concerned. Protection of the West Indies was the prime objective: Jamaica alone provided more to the British economy than all 13 colonies put together.
It would have failed without the French, Spanish and the Dutch.
This soundtrack is the definition of motivation.
" I am here now on my own Accord ".
It's basically complete historical fantasy, but it's such a fun movie. XD
You guys had one of the best reactions to this movie that i have seen, great job guys.
That acting by this guy at 27:55 was just outstanding, you really feel his anguish.
How have I not realized y’all haven’t done this one yet? Seriously. This genuinely might be my favorite movie. Like I literally became an American History major specializing on the American Revolution because of this movie. And freedom. I guess freedom kinda pushed me that way too 🤣
this film was handcrafted to make anyone who watches it cry. such an emotional rollercoaster, happy, sad, cry , happy, and makes you hate the villains so much
This is now my favorite reaction channel, you are genuine and truly good people. I watch all your reactions. There are a few movies, maybe 5, that I come back from time to time to watch again, this is one; Braveheart, Last of the Mohicans, The13th Warrior with antonio banderas (1999), that transmit something through the screen: action, values, courage, fighting for what is good. In my opinion it's sad that the era of making movies like this is over. We still have these examples of good work in front of and behind the screen. Keep it up guys!! Cheers!!
I agree dude. I discovered these two a few months ago and did my best in my own head not to like them. Didn't work. They're reasonably intelligent and sometimes insightful yet the realness of emotion is the entertainment value.
I love your guys perspective of this movie. Its not totally acurate however it works in telling the tale. It is amazing to think that we lived outside of our means and it is also difficult to think of life before cellphones or the internet even though those things only showed up in the last decade.
I love the score by John Williams. And Mel nevever gets enough respect. Whatch more Gibson movies, lol.
Cool u watched this one! The Martin character was based on F Marion & Marion's tactics influenced contemporary US Spec Ops units like the Rangers & SF & similar units in other countries.
'A Knight's Tale', also starred Heath Ledger is a must watch guys.
RIP Heath.
It's so awesome to see people show love to America. Subscribed.
What good men had to do and give so WE can have the freedom that most the world will never see or understand.........I cry every time..........Braveheart is a must FFFRREEEDOOOOMMMMM !
Was fun watching this with you two.
Y’all need to watch the 1970’s Waterloo with Christopher Plumber. By far the most historically accurate war movie down to the dialogue and no cgi. The entire battlefield was recreated and there were nearly 20,000 extras and over 2,000 horses. Plus the film company no longer exists so you can watch it on TH-cam no copyright.
Can't wait! This is in my top 3 movies ever.
The part with God save king George is actually how the US Marines were formed just replace the French with a Prussian
Of my favorite “underrated” movie. I remember my dad showing me it at 18 and I watch it every year once
Just imagine if every family in this country was like this family and their communities. We surely would not be in the mess we are in today. I am proud of you for seeing the message of this film. Perserverance, faith, family, friends and love of your country. They don't teach the truth about our past patriots and our founding fathers. Instead, the schools, universities and the media portray nothing but hate.
The grooves inside the barrel of the rifle you're thinking of is called rifling which allows the bullet to fly straight, faster and further than Revolutionary muskets which were ineffective past twenty yards when fired by a single man, the earliest single shot rifle I know is the Kentucky long rifle which had a maximum effective range of two hundred yards making it an ideal rifle for both military use and hunting dangerous game from a safe distance. Y'all should check out The Alamo from 2004 with Dennis Quaid as one of the actors
Yep, the American colonists had the advantage of having the Kentucky rifles and being able to use its effective range to fire upon the red coats. Such skirmshers and guerilla tactics played a huge role
@@koreancowboy42 I know lone sharp shooters had them and militia's had a few Kentucky long rifles mixed in with their muskets, like the ambush scene in this movie where her rescues his eldest son he was more than twenty yards away otherwise he wouldn't have been able to hit the officer on the horse.
I like your chemistry together as reactors. This was a good story and Mel knows how to make them.
Hello my guys, great movie, great reaction. Love you guys. Have fun. See ya from Hamburg, Germany
loved yall reaction, great movie, glad you both got to see it
The Patriot
The Last Samurai
Last of The Mohicans Braveheart
Dances with Wolves
5 movies that are masterpieces.
This movie hits my heart in a hard way. No matter how many times I've seen it, I still need tissues 💜
I love your guys’ reactions to movies! And you have awesome taste! Keep up the awesome videos
Well when I’m trying to get to sleep at 1am and see this pop up I must watch! Been waiting for you guys to watch this one, a fantastic movie and up there on my ranking for sure as well!
Finally you got this one!!! It’s a movie about your origins like nation and Mel Gibsons performance for me terrific
We should never forget the sacrifices made for our precious freedom.
Exactly. Immense sacrifices.
This was the fighting style at the time for most of the European empires and armies. Believe it or not it was considered civilized, and I guess in some ways it is. It lasted till things got more mechanized around 100 years later, and started evolving in what we know war to be today.
I love this movie so much. Since you seemed to enjoy this film might I suggest The Last of the Mohicans? " It's so well done and y'all would enjoy it I think. I enjoyed y'alls reactions. Thanks guys!
You two are so lovely. Good reaction again. I hope i find a partner just like you two found each other one day. Much love
my brother, father and i were extras in this movie....it was a great memory to be apart of such a great movie and meet mel gibson and heath ledger even just briefly. They asked for ppl to show up to be extras and we were picked, my dad was in a redcoat, funny he was Army at the time....me and my brother were militia men.
Mel Gigson can play heartbreak and devastation so well. You just believe it every time.
Love the channel. This is a great movie. Heartbreak after heartbreak, like I'm sure this war was for most families that lived through it. I also love the hope and determination for freedom it shows.
Love ❤️ this movie 🎥 🍿 and love ❤️ you both I liked and enjoyed watching your reaction it was fun thank you 🙏
Thanks for sharing your reaction to this.
Yo, I have the SAME blanket-- and have had it for years, and will pass it to my children when I die-- as it is THE most comfortable blanket I've ever owned.
Really enjoying your genuine reactions..most people are probably familiar with Heath Ledger's tragic demise, but not too many probably know about the horrible fate of Skye McCole Bartusiak, the actress who played Susan. So incredibly sad.. as much as I love this film, it sometimes makes it doubly hard to watch, having lost those two way too early..XO
29:40 Shoshana, this gets me every single time. Her and Mel Gibson drove that emotion home. I can never watch this scene w/o balling. T-T
Thank you for sharing this with us.
You gotta love Guerrilla warfare (hiding behind trees, etc. while fighting the enemy)
I stumbled across your channel. I’m hooked. You guys have a wide diversity of movie reactions. Subscribed ❤️
Man seeing so many iconic characters here is another great about this movie
This movie is terribly underrated!
About the "weird fighting", it is based on the rules of war at that time. It was all about honor and respect, they had to be in line to be honorable in the fight and militias and insurrection warfare techniques were seen as a cowardly way of fighting
Also, the ending is amazing, us French people take great pride in helping the USA win this war
Marc D : Battle of Yorktown, they could not have done it without us.
@Marc D. That is not historically accurate. There were no rules that stated that militaries had to fight in lines. The reason that militaries fought in lines is because of the guns they were using. The average soldier used a smooth-bore musket that had a 20% misfire rate on a good day. If you were in a row of 100 soldiers and your gun misfires, in all likelihood the 99 other soldiers would hit something. I used to like the Patriot, but when I learned history, I’ve grown to dislike it more and more as it’s not historically accurate.
Great movie, great reaction. Stay the course, you two.
Mel Gibson is also a good director, and Apocalypto is a masterpiece.
I'm glad you guys love this movie. Great reaction. Maybe you can understand why there are Americans who are very patriotic. Who wave the flag. Strongly believe in the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the 2nd Amendment, teaching true US History (the good and bad), pledging alliance to the flag, standing up for the National Anthem, want civics and responsibilities of US citizenship taught in schools and other gestures of patriotism. The movie showed some of the sacrifices that people suffered, including the Founding Fathers. They said "We Mutually Pledge To Each Other Our Lives, Our Fortunes, And Our Sacred Honor". Can we do no less?
That was your best reaction yet(that I have watched) thank you for this.I agree with you,its an.epic film.
Little Susan gets me every damn time!
😂😂😂
Having owned and still owning a Charleville and Brown Bess, linear warfare was the only way to fight with muskets, military muskets were bored and military loads for firing had a smaller lead ball to help facilitate faster loading, the whole tactic of lining up was to pack as many muskets together as possible. This side steps the general unreliability of a musket, yes you can take care of them as best as you can but sometimes they dont always work, the second was one of accuracy, so instead of aiming for individual targets a whole formation of men would aim and fire their volley collectively at the enemy, so someone is going to hit someone.
I have seen this movie more than 100 times and no matter how many times I have seen it, I still break down and bawl through half of it 😢
I had to look and didn't see it, so I will suggest the movie Glory with Mathew Brodrick, Carrey Elwes, Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman. It is a civil war movie about the 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Regiment. It's a damn good movie, even though some scenes are hard to watch.
Man every movie heath is in just makes me miss him so much
To answer your question at 12:00. It was because rifling had not been invented yet. Every gun was smoothbore, therefore they were only accurate 50-75 yards, so the way you maximize firepower is giant volleys at close range. The reason why the British dominated the world at this time was the discipline of the reloading capabilities of their soldiers. When you can fire 3 shots at the enemy in a minute cause you are so well trained, and the enemy can only fire 1-2 max, its a MASSIVE advantage. So in short, they fought that way cause they had to in order to get any kind of damage to the enemy. Cannons are another story, but EXTREMELY expensive and an absolute pain to haul around. The Baker rifle which came out about 30 years later, which had rifling, and could start to hit men 250+ yards, completely changing the way warfare is done to this very day.
After this great one you must react to Braveheart, a masterpiece staring Mel Gibson and also directed by him , in my opinion one of the greatest love story ever told. This movie does to men what The Notebook does to women 😢❤😢
Yeah Patriot and Braveheart are the same movie just set in different times.
This is a great movie I saw it in theaters but I love y'all's reactions. You 2 have the best reactions lol keep it up
Great reaction. Your editing skills are getting better.
U have to live Mel's movies. All extremely beautiful and graphic and true events or true stories. This, Once we were Soldiers, hacksaw Ridge, passion of the Christ, Braveheart. Not Blackhawk Down, tho he easily could have.
first time finding you guys channel great reactions
You should watch some kickass oldschool action movies from the 90's, like The Rock, Lethal Weapons, Con Air, Heat, Face Off and so on.
This is my first time watching a full reaction from y'all. I love the commentary.
And about your comment on how bizarre the fighting and warfare seemed; The American Revolution falls in the "early modern period". It's an interesting time when guns have obviously become the primary weapons used in warfare, but aren't so accurate that soldiers can always utilize "guerilla" tactics. And at certain moments of combat, melee weapons could still be successfully used against the enemy, such as when you say the cavalry charge against the retreating soldiers.
The scene when the little girl his daughter says that she'll talk and say whatever he wants just don't go breaks my freaking heart every time and I ball like a baby. And the scene with John's son when he kills himself and Thomas. A lot of sad parts lol
Good reaction! The reason why they stood in line formation like that was because muskets were actually very inaccurate (notwithstanding the shooting talents of Mel Gibson's character) with very little range. So the best way to use them was to throw a wall a lead. You got a much better chance at hitting something that way.