I found this video extremely interesting as I had read that the built-in 'inaccessible' C2 battery might give problems. This shows you how to easily reach it!
Nice video Ian! I think the next generation of FLIR cameras should have a mechanical leveller to compensate for the offset. I've got E4 and there is the same problem with PCB inspection.
Flir could provide a software feature to adjust the two images slightly. Only one dimension needed and it would enhance the useful distance greatly.. should not be that difficult.
Any chance of you posting the battery specs? I have a c3 and would ideally like to pick up a non-flir branded replacement battery (with quality cells) to save paying whatever the undoubtedly high price flir would charge for a replacement.
I see you took apart the c2. Do you by change have the battery model information? I’m planning to pick one up and might need a new battery and I want to see if possible to get new battery
I would've expected there to be an optical image position adjustment setting in the menu to move the optical image in software. Is there no such setting?
I agree with Adrian. Why not contact FLIR, send them a link to this video, and see what happens. I bet they can easily add a feature to shift their video presentation to match. Given distance from subject versus how far apart the lenses are physically to one another, I bet there will be some non-linearity... and I also bet the geniuses behind this product can clear that up, too. How far back must you be from the circuit board under test such that the optical and IR images converge? As you increase the distance, do you lose the convergence?
I've sent an email to Flir so we'll see what happens. I linked this video and mentioned the apparent untapped marked of electronics repair (without breaking the bank).
My flir one pro have a dedicated software setting for the parallax, your C2 doesn’t ? By the way, the excursion is not enough to compensate the difference in very close shooting and also does reset to it’s default setting on every reboot...Flir engineers could have done something definitely better...
There is an "alignment adjustment" on the C2 itself, but it's minimum setting is 3ft.......and playing with it and another setting for "distance" under measurement parameters , both don't seem to do much at all, certainly not affecting parallax. Mine is an early C2......hmmm!
Here's how to do this in software, for those of us who don't want to void our warranties: 1) Open FLIR Tools 2) Extract full photo image 3) Set main image to thermal-only 4) Open both images in Paint .NET ( www.getpaint.net if you don't have it already) 5) Resize thermal image from 320x240 to 454x340 6) Align thermal image to photo image 7) Apply Pencil Sketch effect to photo image (pencil tip size = 5, range = 5) 8) Use Magic Wand tool to select empty area surrounding thermal image, then open Edit menu and click Invert Selection 9) Click Crop To Selection button It's kind of a pain to do this manually, but since I don't have to take thermal images for my job, it's less of a pain than paying $260 for FLIR Tools Plus.
Yep parallax is a pain, my cheap camera is pretty bad for it. I did email Flir to try and secure a camera, they never replied, I did the same with Seek, same deal, these camera manufacturers seem to want money for their products, not publicity.
Yes, I found it confusing whenever he referred to the visible light camera as an 'optical' camera. Both IR and visible light sensors use Optics to produce an image.
I found this video extremely interesting as I had read that the built-in 'inaccessible' C2 battery might give problems. This shows you how to easily reach it!
Thanks for taking some of the mystery out of inner works
Nice video Ian!
I think the next generation of FLIR cameras should have a mechanical leveller to compensate for the offset. I've got E4 and there is the same problem with PCB inspection.
Flir could provide a software feature to adjust the two images slightly. Only one dimension needed and it would enhance the useful distance greatly.. should not be that difficult.
I think it's all about product differentiation. You go buy a more expensive model if you want that feature.
Adrian Schneider they do in the newer models
Any chance of you posting the battery specs? I have a c3 and would ideally like to pick up a non-flir branded replacement battery (with quality cells) to save paying whatever the undoubtedly high price flir would charge for a replacement.
I see you took apart the c2. Do you by change have the battery model information? I’m planning to pick one up and might need a new battery and I want to see if possible to get new battery
I never made any notes about the battery nodel, sorry.
Thanks Ian. That should do the trick.
I'm surprised they haven't provided a solution for close-up work. Maybe we aren't the target users.
The C2 is the cheaper end of the Flir market (MSX enabled).........and I guess they don't think about us!
As of yesterday, at least the older flir one Software has this Feature. Maybe worth a closer look at the settings?
Strange thing, since the cheap smartphone Flir One has had parallax correction since the beginning.
Coincidentally, your initials can be seen on the vis-camera flex PCB @ 5:23 :)
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I would've expected there to be an optical image position adjustment setting in the menu to move the optical image in software. Is there no such setting?
Not in the C2, nor on the PC app that goes with it. Folks talk about such a thing but only for the more expensive Flir's.
IanScottJohnston yes sir you are correct.
Anyone know where I can get a replacement screen for one of these???
I agree with Adrian. Why not contact FLIR, send them a link to this video, and see what happens. I bet they can easily add a feature to shift their video presentation to match. Given distance from subject versus how far apart the lenses are physically to one another, I bet there will be some non-linearity... and I also bet the geniuses behind this product can clear that up, too.
How far back must you be from the circuit board under test such that the optical and IR images converge? As you increase the distance, do you lose the convergence?
I've sent an email to Flir so we'll see what happens. I linked this video and mentioned the apparent untapped marked of electronics repair (without breaking the bank).
To be very clever, it's may be solve all running to the hault problems.
My flir one pro have a dedicated software setting for the parallax, your C2 doesn’t ? By the way, the excursion is not enough to compensate the difference in very close shooting and also does reset to it’s default setting on every reboot...Flir engineers could have done something definitely better...
There is an "alignment adjustment" on the C2 itself, but it's minimum setting is 3ft.......and playing with it and another setting for "distance" under measurement parameters , both don't seem to do much at all, certainly not affecting parallax. Mine is an early C2......hmmm!
It is the same on the Ex models, only 1 meter scale on distance, and even if set to 0 meter, then the calibration seems to be around 25 cm
Here's how to do this in software, for those of us who don't want to void our warranties:
1) Open FLIR Tools
2) Extract full photo image
3) Set main image to thermal-only
4) Open both images in Paint .NET ( www.getpaint.net if you don't have it already)
5) Resize thermal image from 320x240 to 454x340
6) Align thermal image to photo image
7) Apply Pencil Sketch effect to photo image (pencil tip size = 5, range = 5)
8) Use Magic Wand tool to select empty area surrounding thermal image, then open Edit menu and click Invert Selection
9) Click Crop To Selection button
It's kind of a pain to do this manually, but since I don't have to take thermal images for my job, it's less of a pain than paying $260 for FLIR Tools Plus.
I just got one of these omg it’s terrible I want my seek thermal back!
Yep parallax is a pain, my cheap camera is pretty bad for it. I did email Flir to try and secure a camera, they never replied, I did the same with Seek, same deal, these camera manufacturers seem to want money for their products, not publicity.
I suppose they are both optical sensors, just that one is IR and the other is visible light. Thanks for the video!
Yes, I found it confusing whenever he referred to the visible light camera as an 'optical' camera. Both IR and visible light sensors use Optics to produce an image.
Would that invalidate the guarantee? 😂🤣
Only slightly.....😬.....but luckily this was a 2nd hand purchase off EBay.
It's pretty shocking that there is no way to adjust this in software. I can adjust this on my cheap chinese camera just fine.
Well, there is some kind of adjustment but it did nothing for me......and certainly not down at the 6" distance I need.
I believe it’s called parallax error. All twin lens cameras suffer from it.