I have a cousin who's a chiropractor. Showed her this. She now starts sessions by explaining to clients that this is basically just a back massage, and if they need something more they need to see a real doctor. She said she was shocked by how many people who had come to her were there for things that a back massage cannot possibly effect. One person apparently had been going to her instead of an optometrist.
I think the worst thing I experienced with Chiropractic is how both insurance and my workplace health plan would only pay for Chiropractic services and not actual back and spine doctors, so if you got hurt at work and blew out your back you're forced to either pay out of pocket or go to a psuedo-science massage expert for a serious medical problem.
Which is in such bad faith it's hilarious. If I started treating brain conditions by spinning people around on a swinger, and charging insurance for it, it'd be insurance fraud. For some reason, extreme knuckle popping is a preferred treatment by supposed serious people.
Geesh. Now I have been sent directly to PT for issues, but they knew it wasn’t an injury, just almost certainly my neuromuscular disorder creating problems with these muscles being too tight since they haven’t heard from Brain (but likely heard from Spinal Cord who does reflex stuff constantly to correct our balance but whose only option is “you there, tense up until Brain orders otherwise” (or the type of masseuse who knows muscular anatomy releases the knot). There’s this muscle group there that’s been working double to support a motion that it physically can, but that should be for short term injury in the muscles who should and they are inflamed messes from overworking (like the first group). Now a PT runs specific checklists down and they know when it’s necessary for the doctor to do an x-ray, CT scan or MRI and hold on initiating torture (first growl from the puppy who would be trained as my service dog was my severely disabled mom (same gene, that had more time) had a visiting PT doing such a check. I’m returned to their treatment every few years as is nor al for this condition). I do however have a physiatrist now, an actual MD whose specialty training involves the musculoskeletal things that one sees a PT to heal from plus studying say brain injuries and so on, who doesn’t do the regular exercise bits but can recognize and prescribe places anti inflammatory shots might be worth the risk, and can do them , andhe can prescribe a strong topical anti inflammatory because sometimes the answer is a doctor who specializes in PT stuff (there are folks with doctorates in PT, not the same) I live in Davenport IA which is thick with chiros and know someone who has a stroke from one at *maybe* 25…
I knew someone IRL that, last I checked, going through similar insurance hoops for a breast reduction surgery. They needed it for their chronic and severe back pain. But, in order to sell something that they desperately needed for better QoL, they needed go through chiro nonsense JUST for a paper trail. To determine its ~not just cosmetic~. :/ I'm sure they aren't alone in that mess, either.
Billy Waynes wife finding out he was gifting basically a sword and being like "i don't wanna know who you're hanging out" and walking away is an incredible vibe. Full "the less I know the less I can be compelled to say in court" energy.
If there is one thing I have learned about Robert Evans from these podcasts, it's that he very much likes to gesticulate wildly with bladed implements, which is something I can appreciate.
1:25:55 -it's actually the other way around. We have more bones when we're born, but as we grow, about 30%(?) of them end up fusing together. It's still incredibly dangerous to do a "chiropractic adjustment" on an infant or young child, because that could end up leading to improper bone growth and fusion, which could result in serious, lifelong health problems and joint pain, including back pain.
You're both right in different ways. Some bones will fuse together, but also some cartilage will become bone. On average, babies do have more individual bones than adults do. As far as I'm aware though, the spinal column is fully formed at birth and the vertebrae just get bigger as you grow. Of course, it's still monumentally dangerous to go around repositioning the spine, especially in children and *especially* in neonates.
My parents were into chiropractic and the minute I started having back pain as an adolescent they started taking me to several different ones. Sometimes I thought it had helped, but it would eventually come back, often even worse. Then I moved out of the house and my back problems largely went away- and I was no longer visiting chiropractors. Years later I learned about its origins and everything started making sense. I'm in my late 30s now and back pain is a definite issue for me again but I sure as hell won't be going back to the quacks.
"Kairos" is a Greek word that means time. They're removing the time ghost from your bones. Or, maybe, the person who is appointed by god at the right time to heal a musculoskeletal problem. Makes sense if you dont think about it
I have cerebral palsy, aka a muscular disorder caused by brain damage. It makes it so that I need to use forearm crutches to get around, and when I was about 11 or 12 my mom got a coupon for a free chiropractic session that she used on me. When I came in, before she even asked why I used them, the chiropractor told me that she'd get me off those crutches in no time. They just straight up lie to you, my mom was furious she would do that and give false hope to a kid
@@amurphy3335 my mom was a speech therapist and decades ago (she left the career early due to disability so 80s or 90s) had a Disability Mama and a toddler/preschooler with moderate hearing loss, enough that intervention so they learned to make the sounds they couldn’t hear well enough to know their attempts were off. Mama said a chiro was going to fix the ears by spinal adjustment. The cause of the hearing loss was obviously not reachable by that. Mom had to walk on eggshells lest her help that could improve his future in a world where the Americans with Disabilities Act was not on the horizon so kiddo’s ability to pass (as Mom’s inability to walk normally reduced her opportunities even in “teach people to communicate whether from birth thing or stroke” land. Rehab hospitals should have better served her, just saying…
Yeah I grew up in the outer Atlanta suburbs and my accent definitely starts coming out around southern people. I live on the west coast but I've been visiting the last couple weeks and I definitely noticed it lol
My mother used to take me to get adjusted by a chiropractor for a few years when I was, like, 10-12. Not because I had back pain or anything; she was just convinced that it was good for you, I guess. I came to the conclusion that the chiropractor was a quack after he put up a big anti-vax poster in the window of his office---I guess the talk of subluxations and the pamphlets in his waiting room about the dangers of cell phone radiation weren't enough to clue me in. After I insisted, my mother let me stop going, and I've had back pain ever since. I figure the chiropractor messed something up, because ever since I walked out that door, part of my ribcage has been poking weirdly out of alignment.
was just taking a smoke break from delivering free magazines to coffee shops & was facing a billboard that flips between advertising the coffee shop & a family chiropractic and this autoplayed LOL
Reminding me of my psychiatrist back in the day. He always looked like he was about to fall asleep or die. My last two scheduled appointments with him he wasn't there. His front desk woke him up with a phone call telling him he's already late for am appointment and he insisted he wasn't scheduled to work at all. I was one of like three people waiting for him
I absolutely LOVE the juxtaposition of Billy's accent being so very close to stereotypical southern hick, yet every word that comes out of his mouth is pure, incredible gold based in logic and educated ideas.
as an Ontario resident, I must insist that a dead horse in a pond is probably a substantial upgrade over Toronto's actual history or present state. Also, as a (studying) economist, you can easily and coherently call someone a doctor and a crank in the same sentence: "Doctorate of Economics."
An old friend of mines father went to a chiro years ago cause his back was causing some problems...his back now causes substantially more problems and always will, because the quack seriously injured his back with their efforts.
My ex wife desperately needs a breast reduction for back pain caused by two herniated discs.. insurance won't cover that surgery even though 2 GPs and a surgeon have said it's necessary. But they will cover 24 chiropractic appointments a year. Like, what! The! Fudge?
as someone with ehlers-danlos syndrome whose joints subluxate all the damn time, i would be surprised as HELL if one day my rib decided to do a little shimmy shake and knock out my entire sense of hearing
I hate chiropractors so much, man. I was in a car accident in 2011 and my mom sent me to a local chiro instead of a doctor and despite months of regular visits, my neck and shoulders are literally still in pain to this moment.
Just wanted to say @29:25 sign language was NOT invented in 1620. Indigenous peoples had/used sign language all the time well before contact. ASL (American sign language) is not the oldest form. Had to point out that inaccuracy.
I can think of twice in my life when chiropractors were able to pop my back and I couldn't that legitimately helped me. Aside from that, I don't bother with them. My grandma was a true believer for some damn reason, though. She had gall bladder attacks all the time after she'd had a couple of kids, and she went to a chiropractor for it instead of going to a doctor who could just remove the stupid gall bladder. Not even for a short time, I'm talking like four decades.
As someone who had their gallbladder removed, I want to point out how bonkers that actually is... by the time you get to that point your gallbladder is full of gallstones and not really being used (as there is no empty space).
Mecheticin changed my life! After just one dose, my hair grew back thicker than a sphynx cat, my eyesight improved to the point where I could see individual blades of grass from miles away after ingesting a half kilo of peyote, and my memory sharpened so much that I can now recall every meal my mother ate during pregnancy. But that's not all-Mecheticin also cured my lactose intolerance to Lactaid 2% milk, allowed me to run a marathon in 30 days, and even helped me communicate telepathically with David Berkowitz's dog, . Since starting Mecheticin, my IQ has doubled to double digits, I’ve learned to speak seven new languages and I now can understand Pig Latin, and my credit score miraculously jumped by 200 points to 300! Mecheticin is nothing short of a miracle-thank you Robert Evans for giving me the life I always dreamed of!
47:05 - what a silly thing to say for a history buff. Before 1914, there were three more crises that brought Europe on the brink of war. If the assassination had never happened, something else would have triggered that war. If you want to prevent it, you have to go to 1871 and try and make Bismarck understand that he must seek reconcilliation with France, maybe even share control in Alsace. THAT could have helped.
Per my own experience: A chiropractor of the Gonstead technique helped me quite a lot my senior year of high school. Had frequent back pain and he helped quite a bit with minor adjustments over several months, never more than one appointment a week to let things set. It worked well for me in that one instance. I also had a coworker who ended up having a stroke as a result of a bad chiropractic job that put pressure on a nerve in her spinal cord. So really who’s to say if it’s worth it? /jk
Had the same thing happened to me. Over rotation on a violent neck adjustment. I went there for tight calves so I could see their medical massage therapist, but he made me get "adjustments" because he wanted to be able to bill for both services. I had no preexisting conditions. My neurologist said it was 100% trauma related and that my arterial health was perfect. I largely recovered fully, and the artery now has zero signs of damage.
I met a guy who said he’d been shot in the stomach while robbing a bank and he said he had lost some of his gut organs in the process. So I guess he had a semicolon
Chiropractics is always weird for me because like, sometimes you happen to find one guy whose actually really good at massage/PTproblems. When I was a kid, my mom had one specific chiropractor that she'd go to for athletic injuries, and after I kept having leg/foot problems as a teenager she brought me there. It was only after I'd been to regular doctors including urgent care trying to figure out what was wrong with no luck, I'd seen a physical therapist, I'd even had xrays done. Nobody knew what was going on and because I was young and active, doctors kept brushing me off. So mom takes me to see this chiropractor, I walk in the door and he takes one look at me and asks if I'd had a biking accident or anything similar. It caught me off guard, but I thought about it and he was right. I'd had a super nasty biking accident that fucked up my whole side for awhile. But it'd been nearly a year since that happened and I'd healed up so I hadn't been thinking about it at all. It also happened to be when my foot/leg problems started. He told me that I must've fucked up my stride when recovering from that. He had me do some exercises, messed with my spine for a bit and then told me to keep doing those exercises and to be very aware of how I was walking. I did that, and it totally fixed my foot problems. It was one session, about 30 minutes, and it did more good for me then countless hours spent in doctors offices getting ignored because I was female and young. I don't think the spine stuff had anything to do with it, I think that he just happened to be very good at noticing athletic injuries and had some PT background that actually helped. Later I learned about how bullshit chirpractors are, and it caught me off guard because my only experience with them was that one guy who not only was super kind and actually cared about my issue, but also actually figured out what was happening with me and told me how to fix it. It's why I can't always tell people not to go to a chiropractor if they have a specific person that they know helps them feel better, because every so often this happens and you do find one good person. With how a lot of people I know have been utterly ignored and abused by medical practices as a whole, I really can't encourage them to leave behind someone that actually helps them. I just wish regulation was better so there wasn't a gamble of finding 9 bullshit artists for one person that can actually help you.
Let's put it this way: _most_ people would remember that the pain correlated with the accident, but we're all daft as kids, and some people stay a bit obtuse as adults, so chiros have their market there.
When people ask, "when was America great?" I think 1964 is the answer. Before that you still had Jim Crow, and after that you had Vietnam which messed up everyone. And 1964 is also a year when this chiropractic rubbish was considered rubbish my most states.
The cavity reversal thing is sorta kinda legit, in the same way that Chiro adjustments can sometimes kinda unstick stuck fascia... The thing is, tooth enamel is precisely structured whereas I think the 'regrown' enamel is just a thin layer of calculus, but this is actually being looked into as a potential treatment.
Chiropracty on a 12 week old baby! I was so fucking tense listening to that, I was expecting the baby to be more dramatically upset but... yeah, who doesn't know that babies aren't fully formed humans yet? Bone manipulation before they're even formed.. fucking barmy. My last tai chi teacher was a chiropractor, I guess I can be glad he fucked off to London before things got weird :P
55:15 The most relatable thing regarding Joel Ostein, I don't always remember his name but I always remember him as "That Megachurch guy with the really punchable face", and have described him as such to others when forgetting his name and had them immediately know who I was talking about and produce the name for me
Maybe my chiropractor is a unicorn, but he's only ever worked with me to fix my chronic back pain, and he also helped me with physical therapy rehab after a really bad sprain. No spiritual woo, just physical therapy. Subluxations are a Thing, but he doesn't try to claim they cause all ailments. All they cause is back pain! And sometimes some related radial pain if they're pinching a nerve. It's a shame that we call legitimate back doctors the same thing as the woo quacks. Makes it hard to find an honest one.
Now I'm not a doctor and I know that medical science has come a ways since then but I feel like death by car should be one of the easier ones to either identify or rule out
1:31:00 - there's also something to be said for the restaurant approach: You want the food from the really busy place, where the staff are too harried to exhibit the corurtesy one might otherwise expect. A savvy diner _avoids_ the ostensibly comparable operation only a few doors down if, sans any explanation à la geographical disadvantage, claiming a comparable menu and maybe even slightly lower prices, if they don't have requisite gastronomical cachet to entice customers into clearing identical hurdles - or even _lower_ ones - in pursuit of their product. When less courtesy, higher prices, lack of on-site seating, and maybe even outright rudeness, alongside a general feeling of being hurried off the premises, immediately subsequent to being served, to make room for the next customer - _on top of_ being forced to wait in a line around the building for their chance to receive even **that** - when that does little or nothing to dissuade people from choosing it over the offerings of the previous paragraph's establishment, then you can usually have a modicum of confidemce that you've found a quality-focused place. I wonder why "traditional" medicine† will garner metaphorical lines around the block, in the face of the all-inclusive curative claims expressed by the numerous chiropract[icioners?] often dotting any given metropolitan area with their inexpensive-looking rental storefronts. † not to disregard even an iota of the well-earned criticisms surrounding Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and the rest of the fields encompassing contemporary medicine, for having cowed to myriad corrupting influences endemic to capitalism, such as the wreckage widely wrought by chop-shop-style corporate raiding, the frequent, profit-oriented hostile acquisitions made by hedge funds and venture capital, in order to maximize ROI at the cost of actually providing medical care to human beings - at all... You can probably tell by now that I am no fanboy, nor a shill for modern medicine; however, it's my opinion that chiropractic is clearly quackery. This conclusion is one I've reached after doing my best to engage in a good-faith search for information to prove myself _wrong._ This effective means of stress-testing one's beliefs nets far more accurate, truthful information, compared to the much-preferred contemporary style of "research," focused as it is on nothing except finding supporting info and disregarding counterindications, without any vetting of consequence (because of _course_ it's true, it lines up with what I already believe! and it's not like that's also an excellent avenue for sneaking falsehoods past my ego-tainted concept of judgement...)
I met a nice, progressive lesbian couple who had kids that were friends with my son. We agreed on almost everything. Then I found out that the women were both chiropractors, and they are antivax. One insists that everyone call her doctor and she’s always posting about how vaccines are allegedly dangerous
I found out that chiropracty began as spine-Scientology years ago in a book titled "How to Fake a Moon Landing" by Darryl Cunningham. Great book, it busts all the lies told by anti-science nutters, a lot of whom end up on BTB. Still no episode on Jenny Mccarthy, though.
I wonder if insurace companies cover chiropractors as a means of trying to expedite the passing of patients who might wind up costing them a lot of money?
They just want you to shut up and go away, the possibility of the placebo effect making you do that from the much cheaper services of a Chiroscammer than actually spending the money to send you to someone who knows what they're doing.
Injured my back at work.. or, made it worse at least, and WSIB (our provincial work-board-type-thing) said I should go to the doctor and they prescribed me to get chiro treatments, 3 times a week and for 3~ weeks... even paid for a cab and everything to ensure I could go. Apparently there is enough evidence that it works for lower-back injuries that what are effectively insurance boards are willing to consider it viable.. could be a conspiracy tho.
Insurance companies don't know shit about medicine, they rely on experts to tell them what works and they're super prone to fads and trends based on the people they source their research from. Chiroprators are good at marketing and insurance companies are happy to include services which draw in customers regardless of efficacy, so chiropractic is covered. There is weak evidence that chriopractic treatment may help with back pain but it's extremely limited and in all likelihood chiropratic treatment just produces a particular powerful placebo effect. That's not intrinsically a problem but you could get the same results for cheaper with a massage. For bonus points that would have less risk of complications and wouldn't support an industry selling training in pseudoscience.
@@spellbound1875 what evidence is there to show anything works for lower back care? The "standard care" is stretching, exercising, don't carry heavy objects and NSAIDs or pain meds... that is hardly a whirl-wind of scientific advancement in the past... 30 years... if someone goes and gets acupuncture or meditates, or goes to a chiropractor or gets a deep-tissue massage or whatever, who the f*ck are you to tell them they are wrong? Call whatever you want tenuous but if it calms you down and takes the focus off the pain and makes you feel better for even a short period of time.. that is a medical win especially if it does not make the condition worse. If you hate chiropractors and you don't want to go, even if it did physically help you, the stress of going may make any advancement moot. If you are dead-set something may make it worse, there is a chance it may actually do so... because you can literally stress yourself into further pain.
I am reluctant to think insurance providers know anything about medicine, especially since my insurance provider keeps sending me offers for free reiki and other such nonsense. Good to see the money I pay them going to this kind of stuff! That said, if chiropractic techniques serve to relieve pain without causing any harm, then more power to you! I sincerely hope it works, and that the chiropractor you see is also a trained physical therapist.
@@andresmorera6426 they are literally doctors... you get a doctorate in chiropractic's.... they typically get a bachelor of science followed by a four year doctorate course that makes them on par and legally called doctors...
Spending 4 years studying nonsense doesn't make you the equivalent of someone who spends 4 years studying medicine that works. I'm pretty sure the provinces tend to cover it because they have also been hoodwinked.
because so long as it is not actively hurting people and can be regulated to avert any damage, what is the harm? Western medicine is 100% practical and that is fine but there are studies that show you can predict the speed at which an open wound (biopsy punch) will heal at based purely on their cortisol levels... and the correlation is higher levels = longer healing. Not to mention the placebo affect and any other number of possible benefits of being relaxed and feeling like you are being taken care of... the mind is as or more important in the healing process than just the physical. If this helps some people and doesn't hurt anyone... who cares?
I mean, the least thing they could do to sound less like a bloody scam is to name their field properly and call it Chiropraxis instead of Chiropractic. >.
About the book of Judas, yes, the Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic text that was likely written in the late 2nd century. So yes it is some gnostic shit. Next, there was no formal determination of what was and was not to be in the Bible until well into the medieval period. However, in the early church there were criteria that were used to evaluate texts to see if they were worthy of being 'read in church,' most of which the Gospel of Judas would fail. Specifically, the rules were that 1) It had to be apostolic. There are plenty of people who may have good teachings... But only a few who are given a command by Christ to do so. You may read a non-apostolic book and think it's good, you can quote it, but it isn't something to be read as a holy text. So you need a text that is, at best, written by someone who knew one of those people personally and quite well. The Gospel of Judas doesn't claim any specific author, nor does there seem to have been a tradition about who wrote it the way there is for Matthew (due to the name change,) Mark (Due to claims that Mark had written things down as Peter's secretary and translator,) and Luke (Due to the first-person passages in Acts.) 2) It had to be universal. Jesus may have had some level of secrecy in how he chose to give more detail to the inner circle of disciples than to everyone else, but after his death, they were to go out and preach to everyone. That means there can't be something like the Gospel of Judas, because that would mean that the message was not to be sent to all Christians. 3) It had to be widespread. This is because, unless there was a good reason for taking so long, a truly apostolic text would have had plenty of time to get around. And because it had to be universal, there was no reason to keep it secret. The Gospel of Judas was not a particularly popular book, so it couldn't have been truly apostolic. 4) It had to be old. Again, this is because it needs to be written by someone who had, at most, talked to someone who had talked to Jesus and been writing down what that person said. The Gospel of Judas didn't show up until the late 2nd century, which is far too late. (As for the criteria it doesn't fail) 1) It had to be coherent. This is not quite the same as saying it needed to be consistent the way many biblical literalists do. The early Church wasn't full of idiots, they knew that there were contradictions in the text. But the contradictions had to be small enough that you could believe two people could say it based on having seem the events. I'd point to when Robert talked about how people discussing a protest had claimed someone was wielding an AR-15, and his first thought was 'I bet it was just a handgun,' and when the video came out, it was that. Sure, people can claim the guy said different things, or held a different item, but they all seem to be talking about the same sequence of events. Yes Jesus's teachings are very different here, but there's nothing that makes it something that COULDN'T have happened. 2) It had to be true. Now to be clear, I don't mean true as in the events actually happened. Instead, I mean that if someone says that they wrote something, that has to be the author. There were a few texts where there was active discussion about whether or not to include them in the final canon, but there's no reason to believe Judas was one of them. Nor is there reason to believe things were being decided based on what would empower the Church. First Clement would have been a great thing to include if you wanted to back up the Church's authority. The ones that were broadly discussed (and the results) were Shepherd of Hermas: Rejected. Hermas's brother, Pius I, MAY have talked to an apostle, but Hermas did not, so it's non-apostolic. (Most historians agree that this was written far too late anyway). 1st Clement: Rejected. Unclear why, but given that it's addressed to the Corinthians and concerns a debate within the Corinthian church, there was most likely disagreement from the Corinthian church about whether it was real or not. Many historians think it actually was written around 93 AD, and while it may not have been by Clement, whoever was the Bishop in Rome likely had something to say about it. 2nd Peter: Accepted. Many at the time had a similar problem to what Bart Ehrman points out, that it seems to be suspiciously well written for something supposedly written by an illiterate fisherman, and certainly doesn't seem to be the same author as 1st Peter. Given that every church at the time accepted 1st Peter, many rejected 2nd Peter for that very reason. Historians who reject it do so for a variety of reasons - Its referencing of Pauline epistles that it's hard to imagine Peter could have learned about, or would have been happy about if he knew, for example. And, again, the quality of the writing. Apocalypse of John: Accepted. There was a disagreement on whether the John of Patmos who wrote about his Revelation was the same John who is known as the 'beloved disciple' in the Gospel of John. Eventually it was decided that, well, even if he's not THAT John, he was probably at least around early enough to be aware of him. Epistle of Barnabas: Rejected. Too antisemitic. Apocalypse of Peter: Rejected, because of the feeling that if Peter had such a vision, it would have come up in one of his epistles or in Acts.
By far, the most off-putting feature of this podcast is Robert Evans’ insistence upon making “sly” references to his drug habit like it’s something we’re all super interested in hearing about.
People are fully aware that chiropractors are doctors, right? They require a Bachelor of Science (or equivalent degree) and then a four year doctorate course to become a licensed chiropractor, right? This isn't like untrained quacks just doing things to make your joints pop...
True. They are trained. And they are doctors; doctors of chiropractic, not doctors of medicine. A doctorate and licensure don't in themselves make a discipline any more legitimate. It isn't a discipline of evidence-based medicine, but, at best, one of making joints pop that sometimes leads to relief, and that emphasizes good bedside manner.
@@andresmorera6426 and? They are taking an active step into finding out why or what may be wrong with them and seeking out a professional to help treat them... every Chiro I have ever been to has taken xrays, looked at my balance, talked to me about my daily habits and offered advice, steps to take to alter those habits and then I go and do it again in a few weeks and get those same reminders... that sounds like healthcare to me... dunno about you. Might not be medical healthcare but it sounds like healthcare none the less.
they get pre-med... however no attempts to link chiropractic to actual science have resulted in real results - the 'science' oriented ones had to admit defeat in the end. the claims beyond massage are bunk. CHUPPL's vid is very comprehensive ...
@@rheanstatements A cursory glance at all the material related to it says there is a marginal benefit to certain lower back injuries and certain spinal conditions but other than that, yeah, there are no immediate positive effects. That being said, even in the actual medical field a meta analysis shown in 2013 that roughly 40% of new medical practices had no actual benefit or were harmful while 38% were beneficial and 22% unknown. Even head's of medicine admit there is a roughly 10 year period where they have to phase out newly found to be harmful techniques or practices while less harmful or beneficial ones are pushed in... frankly, I will take the ones that, even if not overtly beneficial, are known to not be harmful. I trust actual doctors over internet people and Chiropractors are doctors.
I have a cousin who's a chiropractor.
Showed her this.
She now starts sessions by explaining to clients that this is basically just a back massage, and if they need something more they need to see a real doctor. She said she was shocked by how many people who had come to her were there for things that a back massage cannot possibly effect. One person apparently had been going to her instead of an optometrist.
I think the worst thing I experienced with Chiropractic is how both insurance and my workplace health plan would only pay for Chiropractic services and not actual back and spine doctors, so if you got hurt at work and blew out your back you're forced to either pay out of pocket or go to a psuedo-science massage expert for a serious medical problem.
Holy shit I hope you sue them for all they're worth, that's fucking disgusting
Which is in such bad faith it's hilarious. If I started treating brain conditions by spinning people around on a swinger, and charging insurance for it, it'd be insurance fraud. For some reason, extreme knuckle popping is a preferred treatment by supposed serious people.
Geesh. Now I have been sent directly to PT for issues, but they knew it wasn’t an injury, just almost certainly my neuromuscular disorder creating problems with these muscles being too tight since they haven’t heard from Brain (but likely heard from Spinal Cord who does reflex stuff constantly to correct our balance but whose only option is “you there, tense up until Brain orders otherwise” (or the type of masseuse who knows muscular anatomy releases the knot). There’s this muscle group there that’s been working double to support a motion that it physically can, but that should be for short term injury in the muscles who should and they are inflamed messes from overworking (like the first group). Now a PT runs specific checklists down and they know when it’s necessary for the doctor to do an x-ray, CT scan or MRI and hold on initiating torture (first growl from the puppy who would be trained as my service dog was my severely disabled mom (same gene, that had more time) had a visiting PT doing such a check. I’m returned to their treatment every few years as is nor al for this condition).
I do however have a physiatrist now, an actual MD whose specialty training involves the musculoskeletal things that one sees a PT to heal from plus studying say brain injuries and so on, who doesn’t do the regular exercise bits but can recognize and prescribe places anti inflammatory shots might be worth the risk, and can do them , andhe can prescribe a strong topical anti inflammatory because sometimes the answer is a doctor who specializes in PT stuff (there are folks with doctorates in PT, not the same)
I live in Davenport IA which is thick with chiros and know someone who has a stroke from one at *maybe* 25…
I knew someone IRL that, last I checked, going through similar insurance hoops for a breast reduction surgery. They needed it for their chronic and severe back pain. But, in order to sell something that they desperately needed for better QoL, they needed go through chiro nonsense JUST for a paper trail. To determine its ~not just cosmetic~. :/
I'm sure they aren't alone in that mess, either.
Billy Waynes wife finding out he was gifting basically a sword and being like "i don't wanna know who you're hanging out" and walking away is an incredible vibe. Full "the less I know the less I can be compelled to say in court" energy.
Billy Wayne is my favorite guest. They get a lot of good ones, but the way he’s able to ground Robert without slowing him down is something special.
Every time this guest comes on Robert goes heavy on the southern accent and I love it.
If there is one thing I have learned about Robert Evans from these podcasts, it's that he very much likes to gesticulate wildly with bladed implements, which is something I can appreciate.
He would make an *excellent* lesbian.
1:25:55 -it's actually the other way around. We have more bones when we're born, but as we grow, about 30%(?) of them end up fusing together. It's still incredibly dangerous to do a "chiropractic adjustment" on an infant or young child, because that could end up leading to improper bone growth and fusion, which could result in serious, lifelong health problems and joint pain, including back pain.
You're both right in different ways. Some bones will fuse together, but also some cartilage will become bone. On average, babies do have more individual bones than adults do. As far as I'm aware though, the spinal column is fully formed at birth and the vertebrae just get bigger as you grow. Of course, it's still monumentally dangerous to go around repositioning the spine, especially in children and *especially* in neonates.
I thought all the bones that fuse together are in the skull
My parents were into chiropractic and the minute I started having back pain as an adolescent they started taking me to several different ones. Sometimes I thought it had helped, but it would eventually come back, often even worse. Then I moved out of the house and my back problems largely went away- and I was no longer visiting chiropractors. Years later I learned about its origins and everything started making sense. I'm in my late 30s now and back pain is a definite issue for me again but I sure as hell won't be going back to the quacks.
this explains a lot...since the word 'chiropractic' is an adjective to an unknown noun. chriopractic religion makes a lot of sense.
"Chiropractic injury"
"Chiropractic fraud"
I am low key triggered by the term "chiropractic" used as anything but an adjective, especially when used as the term for the discipline.
"Kairos" is a Greek word that means time. They're removing the time ghost from your bones. Or, maybe, the person who is appointed by god at the right time to heal a musculoskeletal problem. Makes sense if you dont think about it
I have cerebral palsy, aka a muscular disorder caused by brain damage. It makes it so that I need to use forearm crutches to get around, and when I was about 11 or 12 my mom got a coupon for a free chiropractic session that she used on me. When I came in, before she even asked why I used them, the chiropractor told me that she'd get me off those crutches in no time. They just straight up lie to you, my mom was furious she would do that and give false hope to a kid
@@amurphy3335 my mom was a speech therapist and decades ago (she left the career early due to disability so 80s or 90s) had a Disability Mama and a toddler/preschooler with moderate hearing loss, enough that intervention so they learned to make the sounds they couldn’t hear well enough to know their attempts were off. Mama said a chiro was going to fix the ears by spinal adjustment. The cause of the hearing loss was obviously not reachable by that. Mom had to walk on eggshells lest her help that could improve his future in a world where the Americans with Disabilities Act was not on the horizon so kiddo’s ability to pass (as Mom’s inability to walk normally reduced her opportunities even in “teach people to communicate whether from birth thing or stroke” land. Rehab hospitals should have better served her, just saying…
Meat is a word that's meaning has changed over time. It used to mean food. Vegetables were green meat, dairy white meat, animal muscle was flesh meat.
Ah, is that why sweet meats were desserts and such?
@@FlaminFaux sweet meats are the pancreas
Robert's accent gets more country when he's talking directly to another person with that accent. I mean, that's on point. My accent does the same.
The funny part is, I can't hear his, but I can hear Billy wayne's.
as a texan boy myself, hard fuckin same
Yeah I grew up in the outer Atlanta suburbs and my accent definitely starts coming out around southern people. I live on the west coast but I've been visiting the last couple weeks and I definitely noticed it lol
The sound of Robert just throwing things at Sophie really got me
My mother used to take me to get adjusted by a chiropractor for a few years when I was, like, 10-12. Not because I had back pain or anything; she was just convinced that it was good for you, I guess. I came to the conclusion that the chiropractor was a quack after he put up a big anti-vax poster in the window of his office---I guess the talk of subluxations and the pamphlets in his waiting room about the dangers of cell phone radiation weren't enough to clue me in. After I insisted, my mother let me stop going, and I've had back pain ever since. I figure the chiropractor messed something up, because ever since I walked out that door, part of my ribcage has been poking weirdly out of alignment.
was just taking a smoke break from delivering free magazines to coffee shops & was facing a billboard that flips between advertising the coffee shop & a family chiropractic and this autoplayed LOL
I remember "as an egg is full of meat" from Romeo and Juliet: "Thy head is as full of quarrels as an egg is full of meat." It's Shakespeare lol.
Might be from back when meat may have meant more food in general, at least I heard it used to mean food in general, or at least non-vegetable food.
I can imagine people referring to egg contents as meat, after all people often refer to nuts as meat, ie, the meat of the nut
There's a while where the fertilized egg is, in fact, filled with small chicken meat. And wet feathers.
@@bowdencable7094balut is Filipino I think and it’s good
Meat used to be a synonym of food. Everything was meat
I've managed to accidentally watch a bunch of episodes with Billy as the guest back to back and I think he's my favorite. Immaculate vibes.
Reminding me of my psychiatrist back in the day. He always looked like he was about to fall asleep or die. My last two scheduled appointments with him he wasn't there. His front desk woke him up with a phone call telling him he's already late for am appointment and he insisted he wasn't scheduled to work at all. I was one of like three people waiting for him
YIKES!
i'm curious, was he any good other than that?
I absolutely LOVE the juxtaposition of Billy's accent being so very close to stereotypical southern hick, yet every word that comes out of his mouth is pure, incredible gold based in logic and educated ideas.
This needs to be a video podcast!
as an Ontario resident, I must insist that a dead horse in a pond is probably a substantial upgrade over Toronto's actual history or present state. Also, as a (studying) economist, you can easily and coherently call someone a doctor and a crank in the same sentence: "Doctorate of Economics."
An old friend of mines father went to a chiro years ago cause his back was causing some problems...his back now causes substantially more problems and always will, because the quack seriously injured his back with their efforts.
I sometimes get subluxations due to loose joints. I would never let a chiropractor lay hands on me, physical therapists all the way
My ex wife desperately needs a breast reduction for back pain caused by two herniated discs.. insurance won't cover that surgery even though 2 GPs and a surgeon have said it's necessary. But they will cover 24 chiropractic appointments a year. Like, what! The! Fudge?
as someone with ehlers-danlos syndrome whose joints subluxate all the damn time, i would be surprised as HELL if one day my rib decided to do a little shimmy shake and knock out my entire sense of hearing
I hate chiropractors so much, man. I was in a car accident in 2011 and my mom sent me to a local chiro instead of a doctor and despite months of regular visits, my neck and shoulders are literally still in pain to this moment.
Just wanted to say @29:25 sign language was NOT invented in 1620. Indigenous peoples had/used sign language all the time well before contact. ASL (American sign language) is not the oldest form. Had to point out that inaccuracy.
I kept hearing podcasts that talked about Machetecine, it's nice to know where it started.
I believe "finding a way to make your mental illness make you money" is the founding principle of most social media tbh
This episode is fucking gold. Billy Wayne and his gifted machete, chefs kiss.
I can think of twice in my life when chiropractors were able to pop my back and I couldn't that legitimately helped me. Aside from that, I don't bother with them.
My grandma was a true believer for some damn reason, though. She had gall bladder attacks all the time after she'd had a couple of kids, and she went to a chiropractor for it instead of going to a doctor who could just remove the stupid gall bladder. Not even for a short time, I'm talking like four decades.
As someone who had their gallbladder removed, I want to point out how bonkers that actually is... by the time you get to that point your gallbladder is full of gallstones and not really being used (as there is no empty space).
@@mxpants4884 yep. My wife had to have hers removed 12 years ago and still can't fathom just going through those attacks
The way my gal bladder hurt before I had it removed, that's pretty crazy.
Billy Wayne is the best guest
billy wayne has such an inviting vibe. y'all mesh very well
Mecheticin changed my life! After just one dose, my hair grew back thicker than a sphynx cat, my eyesight improved to the point where I could see individual blades of grass from miles away after ingesting a half kilo of peyote, and my memory sharpened so much that I can now recall every meal my mother ate during pregnancy. But that's not all-Mecheticin also cured my lactose intolerance to Lactaid 2% milk, allowed me to run a marathon in 30 days, and even helped me communicate telepathically with David Berkowitz's dog, . Since starting Mecheticin, my IQ has doubled to double digits, I’ve learned to speak seven new languages and I now can understand Pig Latin, and my credit score miraculously jumped by 200 points to 300! Mecheticin is nothing short of a miracle-thank you Robert Evans for giving me the life I always dreamed of!
1:26:53 "Axe, a self-described body spray. . ."
I'd bet Billy Wayne here could absolutely _nail_ the voice of Cleveland from _Family Guy!_
25:30 "so you dont get shot... by other hunters"
Underrated joke in this episode
Wondering if there's enough material to do one of these on Ed and Lorraine Warren.
As long as Robert gets a new machete before recording, they will have plenty of material
47:05 - what a silly thing to say for a history buff. Before 1914, there were three more crises that brought Europe on the brink of war. If the assassination had never happened, something else would have triggered that war. If you want to prevent it, you have to go to 1871 and try and make Bismarck understand that he must seek reconcilliation with France, maybe even share control in Alsace. THAT could have helped.
Per my own experience: A chiropractor of the Gonstead technique helped me quite a lot my senior year of high school. Had frequent back pain and he helped quite a bit with minor adjustments over several months, never more than one appointment a week to let things set. It worked well for me in that one instance.
I also had a coworker who ended up having a stroke as a result of a bad chiropractic job that put pressure on a nerve in her spinal cord.
So really who’s to say if it’s worth it? /jk
Had the same thing happened to me. Over rotation on a violent neck adjustment. I went there for tight calves so I could see their medical massage therapist, but he made me get "adjustments" because he wanted to be able to bill for both services. I had no preexisting conditions. My neurologist said it was 100% trauma related and that my arterial health was perfect. I largely recovered fully, and the artery now has zero signs of damage.
I met a guy who said he’d been shot in the stomach while robbing a bank and he said he had lost some of his gut organs in the process. So I guess he had a semicolon
Hearing Robert talking about grifting himself into a cabinet position in health just echoes with RFK right now...
Chopin stuff with a machete is good poddin right there boy. Got yourself a patron.
Chiropractics is always weird for me because like, sometimes you happen to find one guy whose actually really good at massage/PTproblems. When I was a kid, my mom had one specific chiropractor that she'd go to for athletic injuries, and after I kept having leg/foot problems as a teenager she brought me there. It was only after I'd been to regular doctors including urgent care trying to figure out what was wrong with no luck, I'd seen a physical therapist, I'd even had xrays done. Nobody knew what was going on and because I was young and active, doctors kept brushing me off. So mom takes me to see this chiropractor, I walk in the door and he takes one look at me and asks if I'd had a biking accident or anything similar. It caught me off guard, but I thought about it and he was right. I'd had a super nasty biking accident that fucked up my whole side for awhile. But it'd been nearly a year since that happened and I'd healed up so I hadn't been thinking about it at all. It also happened to be when my foot/leg problems started. He told me that I must've fucked up my stride when recovering from that. He had me do some exercises, messed with my spine for a bit and then told me to keep doing those exercises and to be very aware of how I was walking. I did that, and it totally fixed my foot problems. It was one session, about 30 minutes, and it did more good for me then countless hours spent in doctors offices getting ignored because I was female and young. I don't think the spine stuff had anything to do with it, I think that he just happened to be very good at noticing athletic injuries and had some PT background that actually helped.
Later I learned about how bullshit chirpractors are, and it caught me off guard because my only experience with them was that one guy who not only was super kind and actually cared about my issue, but also actually figured out what was happening with me and told me how to fix it. It's why I can't always tell people not to go to a chiropractor if they have a specific person that they know helps them feel better, because every so often this happens and you do find one good person. With how a lot of people I know have been utterly ignored and abused by medical practices as a whole, I really can't encourage them to leave behind someone that actually helps them. I just wish regulation was better so there wasn't a gamble of finding 9 bullshit artists for one person that can actually help you.
Let's put it this way: _most_ people would remember that the pain correlated with the accident, but we're all daft as kids, and some people stay a bit obtuse as adults, so chiros have their market there.
The few things chiros do that ARE evidence based are things any good physical therapist would do except the PT teaches you how to do them yourself
I love how his Texan accent actually comes out when he's around this guest. HILARIOUS
I had ghosts for a bit there but I didn’t need my spine adjusted I just took a big shit
And moved out of my house
When people ask, "when was America great?" I think 1964 is the answer. Before that you still had Jim Crow, and after that you had Vietnam which messed up everyone. And 1964 is also a year when this chiropractic rubbish was considered rubbish my most states.
1:17:35 Yes, the Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic book. ReligionForBreakfast had an interesting episode about it.
The cavity reversal thing is sorta kinda legit, in the same way that Chiro adjustments can sometimes kinda unstick stuck fascia... The thing is, tooth enamel is precisely structured whereas I think the 'regrown' enamel is just a thin layer of calculus, but this is actually being looked into as a potential treatment.
Chiropracty on a 12 week old baby! I was so fucking tense listening to that, I was expecting the baby to be more dramatically upset but... yeah, who doesn't know that babies aren't fully formed humans yet? Bone manipulation before they're even formed.. fucking barmy. My last tai chi teacher was a chiropractor, I guess I can be glad he fucked off to London before things got weird :P
55:15 The most relatable thing regarding Joel Ostein, I don't always remember his name but I always remember him as "That Megachurch guy with the really punchable face", and have described him as such to others when forgetting his name and had them immediately know who I was talking about and produce the name for me
I immediately knew who you were referring to and I had forgotten his name.
Maybe my chiropractor is a unicorn, but he's only ever worked with me to fix my chronic back pain, and he also helped me with physical therapy rehab after a really bad sprain. No spiritual woo, just physical therapy. Subluxations are a Thing, but he doesn't try to claim they cause all ailments. All they cause is back pain! And sometimes some related radial pain if they're pinching a nerve. It's a shame that we call legitimate back doctors the same thing as the woo quacks. Makes it hard to find an honest one.
Its still woo. Most chiropractors don’t advertise the spiritual stuff, they just do the pseudoscience part.
A dude was seriously named BJ Palmer and no one batted an eye. 19th century names were something else
"i'm gonna kick you til you let go of that baby" is how I feel about all chiropractors.
"meat eggs" aka testicles
This is very doctor bronner's soap
edit: also I just have to marvel at "let this machete be a bra for your cancer"
I love this guy's voice. It's like John C. Reilly!
Yes! Thank you! I was trying to figure out who he sounded like and that's it exactly
@@akumakorgar no shade to southern accents, it's both goofy and calming at the same time lol
Now I'm not a doctor and I know that medical science has come a ways since then but I feel like death by car should be one of the easier ones to either identify or rule out
“You don’t need-“
“It’s a gift!”
“I don’t want to know who you’re talking to.”
That is so PEAK marriage
I recently learned that chiropractor and bonesetter are two separate things.
I’m here because of someone getting mad at people talking about podcasts in the tags of their tumblr post about chiropractors
If Orcs won the Lord of the Rings and then modernized to a Liberal Democracy.
I'd read that book series.
Also I keep hearing "D.D. Palmer" and thinking "Diamond Dallas," uh, "Palm... er..."
To be fair to that weird saying, there is meat in fertilized eggs. The ones we eat are generally the unfertilized ones without a baby chicken inside.
Does anyone know if the baby is okay? That was rage-making.
i don't have a gallbladder anymore, will machetticine still work for me?
1:31:00 - there's also something to be said for the restaurant approach: You want the food from the really busy place, where the staff are too harried to exhibit the corurtesy one might otherwise expect. A savvy diner _avoids_ the ostensibly comparable operation only a few doors down if, sans any explanation à la geographical disadvantage, claiming a comparable menu and maybe even slightly lower prices, if they don't have requisite gastronomical cachet to entice customers into clearing identical hurdles - or even _lower_ ones - in pursuit of their product.
When less courtesy, higher prices, lack of on-site seating, and maybe even outright rudeness, alongside a general feeling of being hurried off the premises, immediately subsequent to being served, to make room for the next customer - _on top of_ being forced to wait in a line around the building for their chance to receive even **that** - when that does little or nothing to dissuade people from choosing it over the offerings of the previous paragraph's establishment, then you can usually have a modicum of confidemce that you've found a quality-focused place.
I wonder why "traditional" medicine† will garner metaphorical lines around the block, in the face of the all-inclusive curative claims expressed by the numerous chiropract[icioners?] often dotting any given metropolitan area with their inexpensive-looking rental storefronts.
† not to disregard even an iota of the well-earned criticisms surrounding Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and the rest of the fields encompassing contemporary medicine, for having cowed to myriad corrupting influences endemic to capitalism, such as the wreckage widely wrought by chop-shop-style corporate raiding, the frequent, profit-oriented hostile acquisitions made by hedge funds and venture capital, in order to maximize ROI at the cost of actually providing medical care to human beings - at all...
You can probably tell by now that I am no fanboy, nor a shill for modern medicine; however, it's my opinion that chiropractic is clearly quackery. This conclusion is one I've reached after doing my best to engage in a good-faith search for information to prove myself _wrong._ This effective means of stress-testing one's beliefs nets far more accurate, truthful information, compared to the much-preferred contemporary style of "research," focused as it is on nothing except finding supporting info and disregarding counterindications, without any vetting of consequence (because of _course_ it's true, it lines up with what I already believe! and it's not like that's also an excellent avenue for sneaking falsehoods past my ego-tainted concept of judgement...)
I've known some Mormon chiropractors... So, cult cult.
I met a nice, progressive lesbian couple who had kids that were friends with my son.
We agreed on almost everything. Then I found out that the women were both chiropractors, and they are antivax.
One insists that everyone call her doctor and she’s always posting about how vaccines are allegedly dangerous
1:19:42 I'm pretty sure Duke is more expensive than that. Didn't some porn star say a year at Duke cost more tham that several years ago?
This guy is hilarious.
I had to skip the part with the baby because I was getting sick to my stomach and just could not bear to hear what was going to happen next.
The first thing that pops into my mind...
They killed my grandfather.
I found out that chiropracty began as spine-Scientology years ago in a book titled "How to Fake a Moon Landing" by Darryl Cunningham. Great book, it busts all the lies told by anti-science nutters, a lot of whom end up on BTB. Still no episode on Jenny Mccarthy, though.
I wonder if insurace companies cover chiropractors as a means of trying to expedite the passing of patients who might wind up costing them a lot of money?
They just want you to shut up and go away, the possibility of the placebo effect making you do that from the much cheaper services of a Chiroscammer than actually spending the money to send you to someone who knows what they're doing.
No, but chiropractors are way cheaper than real medicine
Injured my back at work.. or, made it worse at least, and WSIB (our provincial work-board-type-thing) said I should go to the doctor and they prescribed me to get chiro treatments, 3 times a week and for 3~ weeks... even paid for a cab and everything to ensure I could go. Apparently there is enough evidence that it works for lower-back injuries that what are effectively insurance boards are willing to consider it viable.. could be a conspiracy tho.
Insurance companies don't know shit about medicine, they rely on experts to tell them what works and they're super prone to fads and trends based on the people they source their research from. Chiroprators are good at marketing and insurance companies are happy to include services which draw in customers regardless of efficacy, so chiropractic is covered.
There is weak evidence that chriopractic treatment may help with back pain but it's extremely limited and in all likelihood chiropratic treatment just produces a particular powerful placebo effect. That's not intrinsically a problem but you could get the same results for cheaper with a massage. For bonus points that would have less risk of complications and wouldn't support an industry selling training in pseudoscience.
@@spellbound1875 what evidence is there to show anything works for lower back care? The "standard care" is stretching, exercising, don't carry heavy objects and NSAIDs or pain meds... that is hardly a whirl-wind of scientific advancement in the past... 30 years... if someone goes and gets acupuncture or meditates, or goes to a chiropractor or gets a deep-tissue massage or whatever, who the f*ck are you to tell them they are wrong? Call whatever you want tenuous but if it calms you down and takes the focus off the pain and makes you feel better for even a short period of time.. that is a medical win especially if it does not make the condition worse. If you hate chiropractors and you don't want to go, even if it did physically help you, the stress of going may make any advancement moot. If you are dead-set something may make it worse, there is a chance it may actually do so... because you can literally stress yourself into further pain.
I am reluctant to think insurance providers know anything about medicine, especially since my insurance provider keeps sending me offers for free reiki and other such nonsense. Good to see the money I pay them going to this kind of stuff!
That said, if chiropractic techniques serve to relieve pain without causing any harm, then more power to you! I sincerely hope it works, and that the chiropractor you see is also a trained physical therapist.
@@andresmorera6426 they are literally doctors... you get a doctorate in chiropractic's.... they typically get a bachelor of science followed by a four year doctorate course that makes them on par and legally called doctors...
Spending 4 years studying nonsense doesn't make you the equivalent of someone who spends 4 years studying medicine that works.
I'm pretty sure the provinces tend to cover it because they have also been hoodwinked.
3 and a half feet is not a small sword
that is an entire sword
this is unrelated but “chiropractic ghost religion” can be read to the same tune as the TMNT theme
1:12:46 bookmarking this bc im laughing so hard
My first word is "subluxation". What a scam.
i think the "as full of ... as an egg is full of meat" means it has none of the thing in there lol
Anyone else having trouble finding a 2 handed fiskers machete?
The Sentence ~36 minutes in is some LRH shit
Are the Naruto ninjas all chiropractors? Thry do all their magic with their hands
Why is this not banned?
I think it was lobbying
You could ask that of literally every form of quack medicine and pseudo-science which continues to circulate
This is more prominent than most scams though @@akumakorgar
because so long as it is not actively hurting people and can be regulated to avert any damage, what is the harm? Western medicine is 100% practical and that is fine but there are studies that show you can predict the speed at which an open wound (biopsy punch) will heal at based purely on their cortisol levels... and the correlation is higher levels = longer healing. Not to mention the placebo affect and any other number of possible benefits of being relaxed and feeling like you are being taken care of... the mind is as or more important in the healing process than just the physical. If this helps some people and doesn't hurt anyone... who cares?
1:23 MISSOURI - not missurah. Get it right - you're subscription is on the line :)
I mean, the least thing they could do to sound less like a bloody scam is to name their field properly and call it Chiropraxis instead of Chiropractic. >.
i got bored scrolling... the e-meter from scientology was invented in chiropractic 🤷🏼
CHUPPL has a pretty good vid about it
About the book of Judas, yes, the Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic text that was likely written in the late 2nd century. So yes it is some gnostic shit.
Next, there was no formal determination of what was and was not to be in the Bible until well into the medieval period. However, in the early church there were criteria that were used to evaluate texts to see if they were worthy of being 'read in church,' most of which the Gospel of Judas would fail. Specifically, the rules were that
1) It had to be apostolic. There are plenty of people who may have good teachings... But only a few who are given a command by Christ to do so. You may read a non-apostolic book and think it's good, you can quote it, but it isn't something to be read as a holy text. So you need a text that is, at best, written by someone who knew one of those people personally and quite well.
The Gospel of Judas doesn't claim any specific author, nor does there seem to have been a tradition about who wrote it the way there is for Matthew (due to the name change,) Mark (Due to claims that Mark had written things down as Peter's secretary and translator,) and Luke (Due to the first-person passages in Acts.)
2) It had to be universal. Jesus may have had some level of secrecy in how he chose to give more detail to the inner circle of disciples than to everyone else, but after his death, they were to go out and preach to everyone.
That means there can't be something like the Gospel of Judas, because that would mean that the message was not to be sent to all Christians.
3) It had to be widespread. This is because, unless there was a good reason for taking so long, a truly apostolic text would have had plenty of time to get around. And because it had to be universal, there was no reason to keep it secret. The Gospel of Judas was not a particularly popular book, so it couldn't have been truly apostolic.
4) It had to be old. Again, this is because it needs to be written by someone who had, at most, talked to someone who had talked to Jesus and been writing down what that person said. The Gospel of Judas didn't show up until the late 2nd century, which is far too late.
(As for the criteria it doesn't fail)
1) It had to be coherent. This is not quite the same as saying it needed to be consistent the way many biblical literalists do. The early Church wasn't full of idiots, they knew that there were contradictions in the text. But the contradictions had to be small enough that you could believe two people could say it based on having seem the events. I'd point to when Robert talked about how people discussing a protest had claimed someone was wielding an AR-15, and his first thought was 'I bet it was just a handgun,' and when the video came out, it was that. Sure, people can claim the guy said different things, or held a different item, but they all seem to be talking about the same sequence of events.
Yes Jesus's teachings are very different here, but there's nothing that makes it something that COULDN'T have happened.
2) It had to be true.
Now to be clear, I don't mean true as in the events actually happened. Instead, I mean that if someone says that they wrote something, that has to be the author.
There were a few texts where there was active discussion about whether or not to include them in the final canon, but there's no reason to believe Judas was one of them. Nor is there reason to believe things were being decided based on what would empower the Church. First Clement would have been a great thing to include if you wanted to back up the Church's authority.
The ones that were broadly discussed (and the results) were
Shepherd of Hermas: Rejected. Hermas's brother, Pius I, MAY have talked to an apostle, but Hermas did not, so it's non-apostolic. (Most historians agree that this was written far too late anyway).
1st Clement: Rejected. Unclear why, but given that it's addressed to the Corinthians and concerns a debate within the Corinthian church, there was most likely disagreement from the Corinthian church about whether it was real or not. Many historians think it actually was written around 93 AD, and while it may not have been by Clement, whoever was the Bishop in Rome likely had something to say about it.
2nd Peter: Accepted. Many at the time had a similar problem to what Bart Ehrman points out, that it seems to be suspiciously well written for something supposedly written by an illiterate fisherman, and certainly doesn't seem to be the same author as 1st Peter. Given that every church at the time accepted 1st Peter, many rejected 2nd Peter for that very reason. Historians who reject it do so for a variety of reasons - Its referencing of Pauline epistles that it's hard to imagine Peter could have learned about, or would have been happy about if he knew, for example. And, again, the quality of the writing.
Apocalypse of John: Accepted. There was a disagreement on whether the John of Patmos who wrote about his Revelation was the same John who is known as the 'beloved disciple' in the Gospel of John. Eventually it was decided that, well, even if he's not THAT John, he was probably at least around early enough to be aware of him.
Epistle of Barnabas: Rejected. Too antisemitic.
Apocalypse of Peter: Rejected, because of the feeling that if Peter had such a vision, it would have come up in one of his epistles or in Acts.
I miss the poison room. Just one more thing Covid took from us
Chiropractor Drew
Ah yes, the coke semicolon
semicolon
This one is boring, compared to other episodes. The script seems to be much shorter than usual.
By far, the most off-putting feature of this podcast is Robert Evans’ insistence upon making “sly” references to his drug habit like it’s something we’re all super interested in hearing about.
You can stop listening
Nobody cares about your pet peeves
Talk about your experiences but make sure you dont talk about the experiences I don't like!
People are fully aware that chiropractors are doctors, right? They require a Bachelor of Science (or equivalent degree) and then a four year doctorate course to become a licensed chiropractor, right? This isn't like untrained quacks just doing things to make your joints pop...
True. They are trained. And they are doctors; doctors of chiropractic, not doctors of medicine. A doctorate and licensure don't in themselves make a discipline any more legitimate. It isn't a discipline of evidence-based medicine, but, at best, one of making joints pop that sometimes leads to relief, and that emphasizes good bedside manner.
@@andresmorera6426 and? They are taking an active step into finding out why or what may be wrong with them and seeking out a professional to help treat them... every Chiro I have ever been to has taken xrays, looked at my balance, talked to me about my daily habits and offered advice, steps to take to alter those habits and then I go and do it again in a few weeks and get those same reminders... that sounds like healthcare to me... dunno about you. Might not be medical healthcare but it sounds like healthcare none the less.
they get pre-med... however no attempts to link chiropractic to actual science have resulted in real results - the 'science' oriented ones had to admit defeat in the end. the claims beyond massage are bunk. CHUPPL's vid is very comprehensive ...
@@rheanstatements A cursory glance at all the material related to it says there is a marginal benefit to certain lower back injuries and certain spinal conditions but other than that, yeah, there are no immediate positive effects. That being said, even in the actual medical field a meta analysis shown in 2013 that roughly 40% of new medical practices had no actual benefit or were harmful while 38% were beneficial and 22% unknown. Even head's of medicine admit there is a roughly 10 year period where they have to phase out newly found to be harmful techniques or practices while less harmful or beneficial ones are pushed in... frankly, I will take the ones that, even if not overtly beneficial, are known to not be harmful. I trust actual doctors over internet people and Chiropractors are doctors.