BBC SO vs OPUS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- A comparison between two amazing sample libraries.
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Contents of this video:
0:00 Intro
0:40 BBC woodwinds
1:17 OPUS woodwinds
1:55 BBC brass
2:32 OPUS brass
3:09 BBC harp & percussion
3:47 OPUS harp & percussion
4:24 BBC strings
5:01 OPUS strings
5:38 BBC full orchestra
6:15 OPUS full orchestra
6:53 PIANO ROLL - both orchestras
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Thank you Fabio!
My pleasure!
OPUS sounds like a Hollywood flavor, while BBC SO sounds more traditional. I'm glad to have them both in my arsenal though, because mixed and matched you can do some really great things.
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The full ochestra sample sounds surprisingly similar! Almost as if the only difference was slight change of reverb tone/brighter snare drum in BBC SO.
Thank you .
One thing I noticed in HOOPUS is that it's much more manual than BBC SO in terms of control in attack, as showcased in 6:40. The strings sound slightly late, making it a little bit off for that dynamic layer.
I'd say BBC SO is much better in terms of just plopping music in with it working, which is something HOOPUS could definitely improve upon in terms of mixing.
This obviously leads to misunderstanding in quality, though, which would be incorrect. I would personally say HOOPUS Diamond and BBC SO Pro are about equal in terms of quality, although one could suit the needs of someone, and the other could suit the needs of another.
All-in-all, HOOPUS is almost half the price of BBC SO Pro on sale during sales, so I would recommend that if you're on a budget. Otherwise, get both!
this is awesome! thank you for sharing this!:):) subbed!:):)
Nice comparison
Awesome exercise. OPUS holds up really well considering the price. Their completely collection is really massive and is perfect for cinematic scoring and video games.
Great thanks a lot. At first listen I will say a preference for the BBC. But I'll come back and listen ...
I personally agree about the general sound of BBC, but OPUS has an awful lot of articulations and the overall sound is extremely tight. To me, layering is the key.
Great comparison, but bring new to orchestrating, I got Opus because it was on sale and it’s my only full library. I hot I made the right choice and it seems all these libraries like BBCSO see great. They all sound great too me. Did I make the right choice with Opus?
You certainly did!
You did fine. Use it for what you will do good music with. That's all that matters.
which one was your favorite library? would also like to see the difference using Albion One and abbey road one! that would be awesome
That's a great suggestion! Could be one of my next videos. Thanks.
@@fabioparisella yes I would love to hear the difference. I have lass3 and I'm wondering how it would stack up against Albion one and Abbey roads one. If you have mss3 that would be rad too
@@davidvalens3337 mmm… not sure if would make sense comparing libraries such as Albion of Abbey Road (which are section-based libraries) with Lass or MSS, which have separate instruments patches.
For instance, Albion One has got only one strings patch called “strings”. That’s it!
No violin 1/2/viola/cello/basses sounds.
Compared to any strings library it certainly would fail in detail and separation.
Besides, I don’t own Lass or MSS.
At least, not yet.
:)
I bought OPUS, have Spitfire Symphonic Strings and Symphonic Motions, but for me BBC SO is the winner. It has been recently recorded and sounds more precise and more clean...I think I shoud have bought BBC SO...plus a lot of bugs with OPUS!
As a long time East West user, I’m now finding that newer libraries have a brighter, crisper, maybe fuller tone, while East West has a bit more muted, muddier, flatter tone. Am I right or just going insane? Lol. Trying to get my mixes fuller and brighter, and it doesn’t seem to be a mixing issue. Time to upgrade to newer libraries I think
And this doesn’t apply to the brass which is better in EW I think
Well, I use both daily, sometimes layering one another. So far, I haven't regretted buying OPUS or BBC
you mis-stated this ... i believe the second example you intended to refer to the BBC library. and yes, purely from this example, the frequency response on the BBC orchestra is less bright, especially in the brass sections, on attacks and sustains, and BBC has a bit more body in the mid range brass as well. the rooms in which these were recorded are probably similar, however, the microphones and pre amps couldn't be more variant.
Personally, I think that BBCSO sounds more full and cinematic. That said, I have OPUS and love it. Out of curiosity, is the Core or Pro version of BBC? Gold or Diamond for HO?
Io voto Fabio! 😄
Lol. I’d suggest to put your money on a better horse.
:)
Opus is not loud because they give you a mixing headroom.Articulations are very dynamic and u have to mini mix them yourself..
I'm a sound designer and trying to get to scoring in last year or so (using Dorico Pro) so my perspective is more about the tone quality rather than the software features / user friendliness, etc. Although primarily Dorico users prefer traditional approach (BBCSO in this case) but I always felt that the room sound which is the highlight of Spitfire recordings make the sound less defined and the reverb tail is a bit too long for my taste. It sounds musical and round which is nice but I wish there was a more defined, transparent, yet silky and musical version of the close mic placement / sound treatment. Based on feedback I got the close-mic content of Spitfire is not very interesting and their highlight is the room sound. Please correct me if that is not the case. Hollywood tone definition and sound stage (openness) creates a sense of realism and being invigorating and it reminds me of Vienna Symphonic Library for transparency. Well I think VSL instrument tones are even more defined (may be some people don't like having so much definition, not sure) so in that case EW Hollywood ends up being in the middle of VSL and Spitfire by means of real sound of the instrument (without the room effect), tone definition, etc. Also I saw a list of string articulations / variations for EWHO and it seems up to about 28 or so. Not sure if BBCSO is in that level as well but it is important for ones using programming every nuance of the strings in Dorico (or other notation software) to use a library with as many articulations as possible. Also price-wise EWHO is more affordable (about 1/2 the price of BBCSO). The other advantage for Dorico and Cubase users is that EWHO expression maps are usable right off the bat to program the articulations (recalling in real time which sample to use for which note) with ease and convenience. The only symphonic library that is perhaps better for Dorico / Cubase is Steinberg's Iconica as far as expression map and playback template is concerned. Apparently Iconica sounds more sterile like VSL so it is not meant to be invigorating or cinematic or having embedded reverb which is good for traditional approach and control, but Iconica is 3 times the price of EWHO!!
Bbc supports Dorico and Eastwest Opus supports Logic X midi especially.
But if you are searching for the best library,Orchestral Tools Berlin is the way..
I prefer Hollywood Opus, but both sound great. 👍
both of them are really great ! but I personally prefer BBC better, anyway I'v got both of them already
I was astonished at how fake sounding some of the opus instruments were when I tried the composer cloud. BBCSO changed a lot for me, it’s not perfect all the way around but it’s pretty incredible what it can accomplish
For brass and strings got with Hollywood, the rest BBCSO!
I think our modern ears are attuned to brighter sounds and OPUS sounds more open but brighter. BBC is more controlled but perhaps a bit richer in sound.
I have BBC and E/W HO but had not upgraded to OPUS yet, but probably will. I'm an absolute sound hog with several orchestral libraries. I love them all! Audio Imperia Orchestral Core is also very good, possibly the best. I have lots of Cinesamples and the lifetime Musio, their is a "smoothness" to their strings that are hard to beat.
All of these you mention are ones I'm deciding between. Between BBSCO Core, E/W Opus, Nucleus, and Musio, what are your thoughts on how they compare for a first orchestral library?
Part of the answer depends on what kind of composer you are, your budget and the quality of the sounds you want. BBSCO is good, but it strikes me as primarily for the serious, detailed composer who knows exactly how to write for orchestra. Albion One might be a better choice, they also have synth sounds, but as a caveat----it's not "all purpose" where they try to cover a list of standard type sounds.
On the other hand OPUS will get you massive, great sounds with all of their templates. Instant gratification...if you want it.
Nucleus feels more agressive in their sound, even on softer patches. They are OK, but definitely not my "go-to."
Musio feels like "Cinesamples light." They have bread and butter settings and options, where Cinesamples has more mic positions and room choices. I have a bunch of Cinesamples products, but apparently they are all being all transitioned over to Musio. It's really pretty cool. Their Solo Cello, flute and a few others are amazing. But they also have tons of other interesting sounds, voices, instruments too.
If I had to choose for myself, I think I'd go with Opus since you said "orchestra". it's a 10/10 rating from the sound tech people.
@@ronricherson6685 Thank you, I really appreciate your input!
I'm hoping to get one that will be flexible enough to allow for either a more classical or more Hollywood tone. So this helps steer me away from Nucleus.
Being a beginner, it sounds like BBCSO wouldn't be the best. I also did consider Albion One (it sounds great based on demos I've heard). However I felt that having full section control could mean avoiding having to buy something else down the road.
Opus seems amazing in capability, especially for its sale prices. But Musio's variety aside from the standard orchestra is tempting. Ah, decisions decisions - but you've helped narrow it down, so thank you! 😁
you know what is interesting, when isolated I find great advantages in BBC on these ADAM ax7s and sub but then when it call comes together Opus crushes it in my opinion. Then Opus strings crushed it one on one. Like it could just be basic mixing from out of the box kinda the deal and how the MIDI responds to reach, I have the snare on Jaegar and needed it vs Other all in ones and stuff so I have that if it's even just mixing. I personally will never probably buy BBC I'll round out my collection so far with Nucleus and Aria I already have Jaegar. the Arks are the next for me when they come down in price some. and oh gosh do I have so much other stuff now and guitars. My Opus is downloading so stoked. I have so many other Libraries as well is perhaps why not BBC. I will get Tunda and Albion when I feel like it on sale they are in my happy price range then.
The most stunning Strings I've been hearing I don't own though is the Impact Soundsworks Tokyo. I love love love their approach. Those strings make me want to cry. Perhaps next black Friday or 1st sale. I feel even if I had those Tokyo Strings/Tunda and perhaps Sunset strings I'll be good ... of course all the Arks when they drop the price and I'm ready. Right now 8dio is pulling some heavy weight and I really love United Strings of Europe the legato/porto and emotional Cello is my favorite Cello with MSS Solo Viola Auddict. Showroom Violin and Virtuoso by Auddict.
See someday I'll upgrade my Komplete I don't own the Cremona series which may even keep me off of Emotional Viola/Violin. Their Symphony Series Complete has been great once I figured out how to use it I love how wet it is when I want that and Furia Staccato by Impact Soundworks the 8Dio Majestica is massively wet but I figured out how to fit them in too when needed.
But yeah all the Arks, Toyko String, Tunda, and Nucleus and Aria I believe in since Jaegar cuts through the mix so well.
Kirk Hunter Diamond is super cheap sometimes I love some of those patches there is so much I won't dog any of it for when it came out, price point and it's been great and sometimes just fits in one of my favorites that's been there forever.
I own all 8dio strings except Intimate Studio which is another must have for me on sale.
I have so much more too I'm not mentioning I know a lot of people have a lot more but gosh once I figured out the woodwinds in Symphony Complete NI It really connected a lot for me, but it looks BBC has so much covered I won't ever justify this and now I have Opus.
Aria stuff I find totally unusable. I'm sorry to say that. Every time I try I fail.
I think the ticket to entry is insane honestly, I wish companies made it easier, I know we can use cheaper libraries but it's not the same in my experiences when stuff just pours out and you have all these ready to go patches panned and reverb or dry and not or intimate or whatever
I better get back to my hard rock song. Stoked about Opus though I'm producing Hard rock, country , pop, bluegrass at the moment lol
also stoked to try the Opus options like Jaegar has to change the mix styles or something classic epic modern buttons or whatever
I wish Microslav Philharmonic had Purge. I used them on a demo before and the strings like hit me so deep the piece I was like whatttt this is that library just a part of my Total Max bundle but no purge but some good stuff in there! Even cheap stuff I could get like Sonivox Companion Orchestra worked so well in EDM
Dang I want those Tokyo Strings and the Arks. SOOOO glad though and thankful I've been able to have so much. It's hard keeping it all backed up. I'm at nearly 15tb active sounds
I don't think the Arks will ever be on sale again, OT doesn't seem to do that with their products unless it's an Intro or a port to SINE, I think you won't have buyers remorse if you get the Arks at full price, I mean the bundle for all of them is already a good discount, and I can say they are worth it for me. I have TSS as well and they're great so go for that as well
OPUS!!!
Thanks for the comparison! Is the MIDI file your own or created with EastWest Hollywood Orchestrator?
It’s the Infinite 02 patch from orchestrator, edited and emended (there are a lot of weird things in their patches such as flutes or horn chords with 6-7-8 notes).
@@fabioparisella Thank you! Then it may be a bit in favor of OPUS, but a great comparison, each library has its pros and cons.
CORE? Professionnal?
And Steinberg Iconica OPUS ?
사실적인 현장감의 소리는 opus가 좋아보인다
BBC SO clears this easily.
I prefer Hollywood Opus!
BBC full sounds louder than Opus full. This is not fair. You’re inclined to think BBC sounds better as a result. Opus should be a bit louder, to really compare right.
Just noticed, there's mixing issues. BBC is mixed much better. Brighter, clearer, and the instruments are a bit louder overall in areas. Opus is duller, muddier, and less loud overall. :o
@@johnhill762 Are you saying this is a kind of sponsor?
@@restdil8805 It just seems like the user is a more experienced with BBC SO than HOOPUS, thus not giving a completely fair comparison.
Just notice this thread, sorry for being late.
Actually, on this other comparison th-cam.com/video/pWK-Me5X6qc/w-d-xo.html, I've been accused of being inclined to OPUS because BBC (strings section) sounded worse.
I guess that's the point of these comparisons: find out the good and bad of such sample libraries.
No affiliation whatsoever: man, I'd like that!
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where is he free u said free but with price!!
Sorry?
I guess you had issues with finding this project on my website. Is in the “freebies” section and, yes, it’s free.
I have both libraries and somewhat I like BBC more from workflow to sound quality. In your comparison, you’ve successfully demonstrated the weakness of Opus. It needs more twists and mixing techniques to achieve the results. However, it doesn’t mean Opus is poor. It just needs for time and experience. Simply listen the the last several bars, the snare of Opus is nearly missing. Instead, BBC provides a very clean and clear spatial sounding throughout the song where every instrument can be heard obviously.
The strong point of Opus is the massive number of articulations. I agree: the sound of its own it's not the best on the market, but when it's layered with other libraries does the job (IMHO).
Totally agree! Both of them have their own strengths and weaknesses. Thus, I also own them.
@@fabioparisella I recently purchased Hollywood Orchestra Opus on sale and I was wondering if BBC SO would layer well with Hollywood or would I be better off with something like Cinematic Studio or Orchestral Tools Berlin Series?
@@shredfantomWell, you can hear them layered in the final part of the video. The overall sound of BBC is richer than OPUS, creating a good blend. Still, OPUS sounds a bit more realistic and the staccato/staccatissimo articulations are better than BBC, especially in the brass section.
Cinematic Studio Strings, in my opinion, is a must-have. You can't program good strings without using CSS somewhere in the project. Check this other comparison I did: th-cam.com/video/pWK-Me5X6qc/w-d-xo.html
OT Berlin is great, but expensive (around €1000), maybe too much.
@@fabioparisella Thanks for the info. Much obliged.
For me ewql takes easy wins for woodwinds and brass, while bbc's strings are clearly better than ewql's. My pick is ewql because I have several string libraries that I like anyway.
in my opinion OPUS sounds more realistic, especially for the string section, and for "realistic" i mean that it's closer to the sound of a real orchestra, not the boombastic hybrid sound heard in a lot of demos. They both lack in woodwind section, especially the oboe is really fake, the flute too....At the end my vote goes to Opus.
vsl has awesome oboe
oboe is definitely a hell for programming so far