Scene Analysis: Khan's surprise attack and Devestation
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One thing I have to say here is Ricardo Montalban did a fantastic job of selling Khan's antagonism. I saw him in an interview, where he told what mindset he had to put himself into in order to play the part. What he said was villains never think of themselves that way. They do villainous things, but in their own minds their actions are justified.
My guess is that Kahn’s crew, being arrogant and inexperienced in terms of manning a star ship, simply didn’t think to continue monitoring their sensors after they thought they won.
It might be Sulu's experience allows him to manually lock phasers through his own skill rather than use detectable targeting systems.
@@thanqualthehighseer He also didn't exactly score a clean hit with the first salvo, so I'd agree it was more of a manual phaser lock than a computer-assisted one.
I also have a feeling that Khan is talking to Joaquim, probably the person who should be at his console and seeing if the Enterprise was locking phasers., as Spock was sat at his when he detected Reliants shields going up and the following phaser lock.
Well, they are indeed inexperiecend when it comes to Ship to Ship combat. Khan was a brilliant strategist when it comes to combat on planets, but he and his people hadn't any idea how Space Battles work. They know only 2 Dimensional Tactics but a Spaceship can also attack from under your own Ship. Also he had no Idea how to run a Spaceship, while Kirk and his crew where trained in this and had years of expirience in it.
@@thanqualthehighseer Good observation.
Something you didn't mention is Khan turning his back on Kirk demonstrates a level of contempt for his defeated foe while Kirk is hunched a bit (reinforcing, with his body language, that he is utterly defeated) when he turns to confer with Spock. One more level of Khans' feelings of superiority over Kirk and Kirk playing into it.
As for not detecting the locking on of phasers... That can be chalked up to Khan's crew knowing how to run a starship but not all the subsystems. While Khan may know and understand how everything works and what to look for on a starship, his crew most likely doesn't. Even specifics of the scanning subsystems. Khans' unfamiliarity with the systems is supported by his frantic searching for an override. If Khan can't know instinctively, his crew certainly wouldn't.
It is also I think because the guy that was at the equivalent of Spocks station is conferring with Khan when the Enterprise locks on to them. Now why he didn't notice when he got back to the station is probably what you were saying. He wasn't there when the initial alert popped up on his screen or whatever and then didn't see it when he sat back down.
edit: Now I must know what the reaction girl is reacting to.
@@Mauadib Yeah... I'd like to know what she's reacting to as well. I wish I had her energy!
Love your username!
Maybe they have had phasers locked on for that entire time, Sulu is just confirming they are locked on.
Actually there is a plausible explanation it’s established in Star Trek the next generation as well as a couple episodes of deep space nine that if you use automatic computer target lock the sensors will detect it which is why Spock was able to detect the weapons lock however if you aim and target weapons manually it will not show up in a sensor scan.
@@jacenskylo this kind of reflects reality. when locking on with a weapons system there is a concentrated radar beam that is used to detect details in movement in order to ensure a good hit by the weapon system. if instead you just line up the shot with what you know from passive systems it is not nearly as accurate, or responsive but you don't use that beam. so in real life the beam when on a target is called a lock, and it is detectable by the one which it is locked onto, use the weapon without a lock and the enemy doesn't get a heads up, but you may miss.
I love how the camera looks over the console so you can see all the unlabeled buttons while Khan panics and shouts looking for the override. This really highlights that Khan and company know barely the basics and not much else.
Montalban's "overacting" makes sense given his Ahab-like obsession with revenge on Kirk.
doesn't he even quote Ahab at the end when he arms the Genesis Device?
CanadianFabe Yeah, and we even see the book on his shelf in the Botany Bay. Clearly he must’ve read it many times over during his exile.
say what you want. Kahn brought it on himself.
@@dying101666 So did Ahab
@@AndDiracisHisProphet true. this movie is the reason Moby Dick is on my list of books to read.
James Horner was a bloody genius.
Another reason this "battle" works is that Kirk/Enterprise's theme is Age of Sail like.
The Enterprise and Reliant pass each other, side by side, like they were two sail age warships firing cannon broadsides at each other.
James Horner composed the best score from any Star Trek movie. Old Age of Sail themes with awesome uses of leitmotifs, practically operatic. You can follow the action with your eyes closed with just the music. The battle in the Mutara Nebula in particular.
Horner's best work. RIP.
I would respectfully agree and disagree. Keeping in mind James Horner is in my "Three J's List" (John Williams, James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith).
Overall, I agree this is the best application of scoring with the leitmotifs you cite. Yes, my favorite track is also Battle of the Mutara Nebula.
Mr. Horner is quoted as saying that the musical cues have to be within a 10th of a second from the visuals to be effective. Somehow, movie after movie, he did that.
As for musicality and historical endurance, however, I would cite Maestro Goldsmith's TMP score. "The Enterprise" is, overall, one of the best orchestral pieces in cinematic history. "Leaving Drydock"... I mean I've really not heard any thing that says, "Let Go!" like it. Plus, having the main theme being used for what is arguably the best Star Trek TV series' main theme... well, that's got to count for something :-) Further on, his pastoral theme for "First Contact" is something that's still performed in Star Trek concerts - along with the aforementioned TMP Main Theme and Battle of the Mutara Nebula.
@@GinkoYoki234, I agree that many parts of Jerry Goldsmith's score for Star Trek: The Motion Picture are iconic. The main theme for the Enterprise and leaving spacdock are eternal. The Klingon theme is unforgettable.
I was talking about James Horner's score being more integral to the movie. As with Basil Poledouris' score for Conan the Barbarian, it's unthinkable to separate the music from the movie.
Go watch "Battle Beyond the Stars". Horner scored that, and it's essentially a rough draft for Wrath of Khan.
Another thing I liked was the small bit of embarrassment for Kirk when he had to take his glasses out. A big character arc for Admiral Kirk is that he's feeling older. His birthday passing, the fact that he's an admiral now, and that instead of being at the con of a star ship he's most likely stuck behind a desk. This feeling of getting older is again shown in this scene when he had to put his glasses on to read and punch in the data to send the signal to Reliant to lower her shields. The lieutenant and probably most of the bridge watching him put them on was probably a small gash to Kirk's ego and the fact that probably in his mind, a Captain shouldn't show weakness in front of the crew.
Let's not forget how MYTHICAL Admiral Kirk is at this exact point. His Crew, Bridge and all, would've looked up to him almost 'Godlike'. To actually be in the presence of someone such as Khan, regardless if they ever heard or met him, the Crew on the Bridge would've been in absolutely complete awe of Kirk being so openly challenged.. this scene is one of my all time favorite scenes in any film. Honestly a truly beautiful thing. I'd say off hand the suspense and tension is met by John Carpenters The Thing. Ah, those were the days 😃
Came for the Star Trek lore, went to film school instead.
That good.. or bad?
It's good. Very good.
You got fooled? That's ok it happens to the worst of us....
@@LoreReloaded It's shit because you're schooling didn't actually teach anything...
@LoreReloaded I watched to the end didn't I?
It was the First Star Trek Film i EVER Watched and DAMN IT IS still the best Star Trek Film EVER!
And the two redheads, perfect examples of that late 70's buxom hawtness. Miss that look.
Star Trek II The Wrath Of Khan Was Released Back In 1982 When I Was 20 Years Old, And Not Back In The Late 1970's Sidney Fein . . . . .That Critical Error Would Cost You Alot In Any Star Trek Game . . . . . Ouch . . . . .lol . . .
@@jamesevans3492 it extended into the early 80s. Big hair and the neon look didn't really come into play until around 83-84. But come on, you were 20! Lucky bastard. Hehehe
@@sid2112 I Was Able To See Every Star Trek Movie When They First Came Out Back Then Being Between 4th Or 5th To 9th Person In Line At The Theatres In San Francisco California With My Older Brother Who Also Loved Star Trek . We Would Camp Out And Wait Overnight In Line By The Theatre Which Was To Premiere The Star Trek Movie The Next Day, And With Other Die Hard Star Trek Fans And Have Overnight Fun While Freezing Our Butts Off Playing Star Trek Trivia Games And Just Conversing Everything Star Trek Which Was Way Cool Back Then . . :-) That Was Way Cool And Plain Fun . . ;-)
@@jamesevans3492 I grew up in the 80's. There's a BIG difference between 1980-84 and 1985-89. Sidney Fein is correct in that the early '80s was an extension of the late 70's, right up until about the time Miami Vice and poofy hair bands and some such came onto the scene.
I paused and magnified my screen so I can get an accurate censor reading on the two redheads.
Kirk`s line "Here it comes" with that unassuming, innocent expression..... MONEY! :)
One of my fave movie moments of all time.
well i bet as the producers knew the old saying wether it involves mothey or not they knew how it went. Expect the unexpected ;D and they knew it qutie brilliantly between Kirk and Khan in both ship scenes on Enterprise and Reliant
My theory about the phasers locking on target is that Sulu actually says "Phasers locked on target" - present tense - it is being stated as a fact that is already completed, not that it's half way through locking on. Furthermore, it's conceivable that during the initial fight, Sulu had already locked on to Reliant, it's simply that there wasn't enough power at the time to return fire (Spock: "not enough against their shields"). Kirk may have simply not realised he'd already done it.
One thing to note, in addition to Khan's people wearing the jackets of Starfleet officers, Khan's necklace has a Starfleet delta in the center of it. Likely a broken belt buckle from one of the officers.
The scene gives the vibe of barbarians who have taken scalps.
Nope, that's definitely not a belt buckle taken from a USS Reliant officer.
Khan had the necklace under his protective gear when he was on Ceti Alpha V - before he got anywhere near USS Reliant or any current Starfleet uniforms (other than the environment suits worn by Cmdr Chekov and Cpt Tyrell). It is first seen when Khan removes part of the protective gear when he is about to put the Ceti Eels into Tyrell and Chekov's suit helmets.
It is most likely a memento of Lt Marla McGivers, Khan's wife and an ex member of the crew of USS Enterprise.
@@davebignell773 Except that when Khan was marooned on Ceti Alpha V, the uniforms Starfleet had did not have those as part of the ensemble. Remember the Starfleet Delta on the TOS uniforms was sewn into the fabric, and not metallic. Nor did they have the circular border around them.
I remember there was a Comic story of Khan's exile on Ceti Alpha 5. Towards the end, Khan was able to carve a Starfleet Delta from the hull of the Botany Bay to remind him of his revenge.
@@Sasuke81a That would make sense. And thinking about it a bit more the centre of the insignia would be a different symbol depending on the role of the officer in question - in the case of McGivers her insignia was not the star worn by Kirk, it was the spiral design as worn by Engineering personnel (slightly strange as I would have expected the globe of the Science officers).
Wrath of Khan has been my favorite sci-fi film since I was a kid.
Something to be said for why the Reliant didn't notice that the Enterprise was locking phasers, why would the Reliant even be watching the Enterprise at that point? As far as they were concerned, the Enterprise was already defeated and even if they did attempt to fire, they couldn't actually do any damage. What crew member wants to watch the monitoring station on the off chance that the Enterprise will stupidly make a last ditch futile attempt at scratching the paint, when they could be watching the utter humiliation and destruction of Admiral Kirk? The only reason that one guy is looking at the console when everything goes to shit was because he was expecting to see the data on Genesis coming through.
They grossly underestimated just how powerful Kirk's current Enterprise here was. An if Enterprise had been a little more powerful or had happened to aim in all the right spots what firepower they still had at this point woulda probably been able to near DESTROY Reliant. Or so it'd seem after Kirk's counter ambush here
The use of Akidearest is really clever.
I thought that was her.
Agreed
Feel like he should've credited her though.
BEST. STAR TREK. MOVIE. *EVER!!!!*
There’s no comparison
(For me at least!)
@@trekkiedave7910 maybe star trek 4 but I feel that one is good for another reason
Followed by a very close, n some would say better, undiscovered country
I hear you both
I love Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country
How ballsy was it for Nimoy to do a comedy after Wrath and Search - both such dramatic films - death of Spock - death of David and the destruction of the Enterprise - bring the trilogy home safely and have a good laugh at the same time
Nicholas Meyer’s world building with Undiscovered is beyond anything any other Star Trek film has ever done - love the political take and character arcs for both Kirk and Spock
Both are amazing films!
But, for me - as a 12 year old kid getting out of Sports Day and taking the bus with a group of friends to see Wrath has no comparison
Wrath isn’t just my favourite Star Trek film but my overall favourite film of all time
I literally love everything about it
I have had the original poster framed in my movie room for 20 years
It’s perfection - the direction, writing, practical effects
Just everything!!!
Not best Trek movie, you are selling this one far too short. This is perhaps the best Sci-fi movies ever, maybe even one of the greatest movies of all time.
So intertial dampers work in conjunction with navigational sensors to"predict"where/how/amount of intertial damping needed. During times where this process is unknown due to spacial anomalies, sudden shifts due to gravity and yes the jerking associated with impact fire. The intertial dampers do compensate quite quickly tho as to prevent full splat against the wall. Lol. Thx Lore!
The music in this segment (and the whole film, really,) is stellar!
Kudos! Great scene breakdown of my [STILL, to this day] all-time favorite Star Trek film!
Wrath of Khan is basically a chess match. And what's even more compelling about it is that Kirk and Khan never meet face to face in the film!
"I Don't get paid enough for this s***"m my favorite part. BRILLIANT edit :)
I could almost hear Chief O'Hara saying "Saints alive! It's False Face!"
One of the best scenes in any Star trek movie or film ever. And my thanks for doing a wonderful breakdown of said scene.
I can't say this enough. The scene analysis videos are my absolute favorites on my favorite Star Trek channel.
why Kahn did not realized, the Enterprise is locking phases, I would say: Reliant did notice it, but not the guy on the science station, who is as bad trained for service on a starship as this guy who desperately calls out for the overide ;P
btw. you're the expert, by I even think, as we all know in our minds, we're watching starships, the dutch angle even give a sense of sinking feeling so it workes even better in this scene.
Khan had plenty of time to study the technological advancements from the last time he saw Kirk, but didn't
Enterprise would have locked on while being hit. But it would have been dismissed as fairly harmless after gutting her.
Spock was watching his sensor board when the Reliant locked phasers on the Enterprise. Joachim (Khan's number 2) wasn't watching his sensor board when the Enterprise locked phasers on the Reliant.
@@ZoeMalDoran yeah IIRC Joachim was the person talking with Khan when Enterprise locked on phasers meaning he wasn't even on his post. He probably got back to his post just in time to notice the target lock when the shields lowered by themselves (from his point of view) and refused to go back up.
That's in fact a major difference between Khan and Kirk and by extension their crews, Khan is arguably more intelligent then Kirk but inexperienced and highly arrogant, while Kirk is a veteran captain with years of experience (probably including being an ensign during the klingon war of the 2250s), so he knows how to exploit Khan's weak points mainly his inexperience and ego.
You'll notice that in all their interactions Kirk is playing to Khan's ego, in this scene and infamous "KHAAAAAAAAAAANNNN!" scene later pretending to be more hurt and beaten then he actually is and later openly insulting Khan to make him follow the Enterprise into an obvious trap.
One of my favorite scenes of suspense in a science fiction movie ever. Awesome video Dude
Your analysis is fucking boss dude. The fact that there are people who love this film as much as i do fills my dark heart with glee.
Excellent analysis!!
Actually if you remember Spock needed his high powered scanner to detect the phaser lock. Now Jaoasim had closed his scanner just before Kahn ordered him to raise shields than attack. I believe that is why Reliantant didn't detect Sulu's phaser lock.
Very nice analysis, Lore.
How I would justify the reliant not knowing enterprise locked phasers on them is: If you notice Earlier when Spock discovered they where being targeted, they where actively scanning the reliant. From what we see, the Reliant is no longer scanning the enterprise after that initial attack on the Enterprise.
I would imagine you can tell if you're being scanned because generally when you're actively scanning you usually emit something and someone could pick up on that If they're looking for it.
At first when Kirk had said "here it comes" to Khan, Shatner said it with his usual swagger. The director made him do the line over 20 times. Shatner was tired of saying the line and the tiredness he was feeling at the time came out on film.
Outstanding analysis, sir!
Every time I see Saavik get that verbal pimp hand from Spock and rolls her eyes, I laugh!
Khan’s crew had never been in a battle situation with a ship they had operated for only hours beforehand. That’s why they didn’t detect the Enterprise locking phasers on them.
I really don't like saying this, but I really did notice how well you framed the framing of the scenes in this movie.
By far the best TREK film which will probably never be matched.I think that's becouse Ricado Montabaum portrayal of KHAN is the best Sci-fi villain ever.
Also only one nitpick! You clearly see Spock walk over easily covering what 4 feet. Wasn't exactly that far. Also the same with Khan literally just stood up and took like 2 steps to get there.
ya he just took those steps off screen.
The cut was to quick for it to occur... Unless they speed walk like a sports mom on their way to a softball game
@@LoreReloaded A tense situation tends to send a lil extra adrenaline.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
I think they did not know about the Enterprise locking phasers due to the lack of knowledge of the ship's systems. The next scene re enforces that.
probably one of the only times the no win scenario works in kirks favor....this is gold
I love this scene. Like you said, it's a slow scene, but the music, the acting, and camera work is what delivers the drama and makes the tension palpable.
I think it's much the same thing with the battle at the end of Undiscovered Country, and is what failed to materialize with the battle in Generations that resulted in the destruction of the Enterprise-D.
Same director for both movies.
Could the reason the Reliant didn't notice is cause Kahn's second, who was manning the weapons/sensors, was standing next to Kahn and didn't notice the alert. He wasn't sitting back at the station till the shields were being brought down. Just a thought.
I second this conclusion. They thought the Enterprise was toast, and for the most part, they were right. If Kirk didn't use the prefix code the Enterprise could've locked on all day but it wouldn't do much.
My personal view: Normal phaser lock is made with an active targeting system. Active sensors like a sonar ping can be detected. But at this range, an expert like Sulu, knowing how important it was to take Reliant by surprise, locked his firing solution with PASSIVE sensors (Including the Mark I Eyeball. Had someone less experienced than Sulu been manning phasers, the shot might have gone wide.
@@marcharkness6101 I would agree but I can't recall there ever being passive targeting on starships. I believe there have been references to 'manual targeting' in TNG. I mean you get close enough you can't miss. Also explains why the damage to Reliant wasn't aimed at critical systems. It seemed more akin to a good old fashioned broadside.
Excellent scene breakdown
One of the best soundtracks. Had to get this one on vinyl.
I bought it on vinyl at a grocery store when I was 11 years old. I went nuts and begged my mom to buy it. I listened to it till I wore it out. It was my favorite movie at the time even more than Star Wars. I loved James Hornets music in. Still have some in my iTunes
For everyone who thinks it's "Kahn", it's actually "Khan."
It's "KHHHAAANNN!"
I want a breakdown of the scene of Kirk screaming KHAAAAAAAAN!
No not the entire scene on the planet. Just the screaming.
Not on topic, but is your profile pic the Marathon logo? It looks like it.
@@zdude0127 It sure is.
@@UESCBattleDroid Man of culture I see.
It should be noted that in the previous movie, Kirk knew jack about the new Enterprise and had to learn things the hard way. Now he’s teaching others how things work on the ship. A nice role reversal.
4:00 "This is damn peculiar" Kirk should have declared yellow alert and raised shields. If the Reliant was just having comm problems they hardly would have been offended by a cautious approach.
Mr. Saavik, you go right on quoting regulations!
Also when Spock said, "Their coil emissions are normal." THAT would have signaled a major red flag.
@@MatthewNash That was always a little odd to me. We've got a ship full of seasoned veterans in an unusual situation, the rookie pipes up -- great look from Leonard Nimoy at 1:58, about as close to annoyed as Spock could be -- and as it turns out, the captain of the ship would have been wise to have listened to her quoting regulations (...and nowhere in the five year mission did they ever run into a similar situation, I guess?). Spock reminds her that the Admiral knows the regulations, and then the Admiral carries on. Boom.
"It's just a show; I should really just relax." Kirk's coming to grips with middle age is a theme in the movie, with antique spectacles to remind him that his eyesight isn't what it was, and then he gets caught with his britches down, making a serious and costly error in judgment -- a nod to his getting rusty and becoming a "waste of material" by accepting promotion to admiral -- and after Khan's attack, he mutters to himself about going senile. Earlier in the movie, he'd made a comment about how galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, Khan has just limped away from round one, and maybe this young officer was right.
Eh, the movie's nearly forty years in the can, and while I do think it's the best one they did, there were some writing issues. After Reliant gets away, Kirk points a finger and makes a sharp comment to Saavik about regulations, and her reaction is to look down as if she's been scolded. My take would have been for Kirk to have his rant as he did, as he transitions from a guy behind a desk back to what we saw on TV, older and wiser, while considering the young officer in front of him. Then, only as Shatner could deliver the charm, he'd smile and tell Saavik "Please do keep on quoting regulations," with some kind of "Thank you, sir, I will do my best" from Saavik. Of course, she's invoked later in the movie when Kirk and Spock speak in code, a subtle reminder that there's a reason for regulations ("sometimes", if you're Kirk), and that's how and why things work the way they do on a starship. While the viewer might think Spock was taking a dig at Saavik, that's out of character for him except when he's dealing with Dr. McCoy, and he's communicating to Kirk that they're on the same page with her at this point. I do recall reading at the time, before the change of actress changed the dynamic, that Saavik was intended to be part of the family, and an exchange as I described would have been a way to really bring her into the fold.
The shot of the two ships drifting together is kinda reminiscent of a western as well, as a low shot by the side of the protagonists weapon, but the shot where they come level with each other is much more like a navel encounter. Space is the ultimate medium. Great analysis as always, never noticed Khans impressive use of the transporters before.
This will be a good breakdown opinion to hear👍
Question: why didn't the Grissom's sensors detect Khan and co when scanning Alpha Ceti 5 for lifeforms (you precious little life forms)?
Thank you for using Akidearest for fan reactions!! LOL
I am curious. At 5:30, What makes you think Khan uses a transporter to move from his chair to a few feet away and standing? You said yourself that "they didn't even use the transporter sound effect".
I was always under the impression that he just simply stood up and move a step or two forward. What indicates a transporter was used?
Perhaps the Enterprise was using a passive targeting system that wouldn't trip the sensors; heat, visual/manual, etc. Great breakdown on one of my favorite space battles...would love to see a breakdown of BSG 04's battles. Which space battle do you consider the best...or at least top tier?
Khan going from sitting in the command chair to standing close to the consoles was part of the sequence again framing it as Khan vs. Kirk. The third shot, he's actually grabbing the console as he gives the command to fire. I think the motion between cuts is adequately implied and it helps again make the shot more personal and menacing. I didn't find it sloppy.
I sincerely wish the new iterations of Trek (if you can call them that) would learn from this film/analysis. So much is done with so little. Nobody sobs uncontrollably when Spock, one of the most beloved and famous figures from pop culture [SPOILER] dies, and the suspense is still palpable even after viewing the film dozens of times. Great analysis, by the way; look forward to more.
As I recall yellow alert raised shields fully, pre charged phasers and brought one photon tube on-line but not loaded. This is why post Khan yellow alert changed. The defense fields could be against a computer system attack or beaming onto the ship.
I have wondered for decades.
Does anyone know if that was Montobahns real chest?
A few points:
1. You ask where crew members come from when they are launched in front of the camera, and then you jump to a scene where Kirk and Spock are assessing battle damage via a console located exactly where those 2 crew members would have been pre attack.
2. There is a blurb about Spock teleporting several meters to talk to Kirk, but you can clearly see Spock walking towards Kirk, closing the distance, in the scene immediately preceding their conversation.
3. That transporter joke. Because it's impossible for people to get out of their chairs and walk a few feet in the few seconds they aren't onscreen . . .
4. The targeting lock is a gaff. It bugs me too. But it could be a case of fish out of water. These guys went from being ubermensch despots, to stranded on an uninhabited planet, in what in their minds would have been like a week. Not exactly a lot of opportunity to brush up on a few hundred years worth of starship operations.
How is that containment door able to go through the warp core?
Good analysis. I still remember watching this movie in the theaters as a kid. The tension was palpable.
Regarding Kirk not raising the shields: There is precedent for this (in)action on his part. In the TOS episode "The Ultimate Computer" Kirk kept his shields lowered rather than engage another federation starship (against which he was at a tactical disadvantage) banking on Commodore Wesley's humanity. I believe Kirk, being an admiral himself at this point, was just paying it forward. So, while we can easily criticize him in hindsight, Kirk was just being Kirk.
Regarding the phaser lock: Although, I haven't read the novelization of "Wrath of Khan", I have partaken of quite a bit of the expanded universe, in which, active/passive targeting and scanning systems are often referenced. I would imagine it's not controversial to assume that pulling off such a thing is well within Sulu's skill set.
On a more fun note: when Khan yells "fire" at 5:53, watch the other actors flinch in the background of the scene... they didn't know Ricardo Montalban was going to "overact" it like that. And that's why we love him as Khan.
"Let them eat static!"
Good analysis so far I enjoy the movie more now also thanks for the fan girl 😂
I remember watching this with my husband in the theater when it came out.. it was brilliant.. Star Trek at its best and what I loved most about Star Trek, Hornblower in Space. Space battles. Outsmarting the enemy!!
The little girl is just plain silly! I was never that young!
Is it just me or are the Vulcans not sweating, while the humans are? if that's the case - that's real epic.
No, Vulcan is a hot, desert planet (probably a Class L world); Mr. Spock would be perfectly content with a higher-than-usual temperature on the Bridge, unlike his Human shipmates.
The stark, white, brightness of Kirk's open jacket amongst the sea of red seen when Kirk is offering his surrender to Khan is a literal representation of a white flag of surrender. Something I never picked up on before despite watching this a hundred times.
Still the greatest Trek film ever made. No contest. The music, the characters, the action... this film was lightning in a bottle...
Now, I understand your tweet with the video editing
What's great about this film is that this Film sets up the years of trek to come, the tension , the dialog and strategy being used and then a nice earned explosion at the end of the film or episode . I would lIve to see to see Nutrek go back to this type of Trek where they strategise and then attack with a satisfying explosion at the end, not like today where it's a shouty, explosion fest for 50 mins.
One reason I have for Reliant not detecting the phaser lock is when Spock detected it, he was actively scanning their ship. The Reliant crew was probably no longer actively scanning Enterprise, having already determined she was too damaged to be able to do significant harm to them, and they were more interested in seeing Kahn stand off against Kirk.
I don't feel like Kirk outsmarted Kahn . Kirk simply took advantage of Kahn's lack of familiarity with the ship he had stolen. And knowledge was power in this situation.
I always figured that the "Energise defence fields" meant that the crew of Enterprise were powering up but not activating the shield generators.
Also its interesting how Joachim moved from the helm to weapons so quickly (I assume helm as Sulu was the helmsman on Enterprise and was also on the left of the 2 stations, and Joachim was the one who slowed the Reliant on approach to the Enterprise).
I think the in universe explaination is that they are a light defensive system specifically designed to prevent the use of transporters. Not strong enough to prevent an attack but enough to keep someone from boarding.
I always wondered who he thought they were facing when he said "Who the hell are they?" ( Klingons since their emphasis at the beginning of the movie with the simulation and also joked about Klingon afrodesiacs, but I'm certain Kirk's jaw drop wasn't who he expected which makes it even more brilliant)
This is almost completely off topic, but I am curios who the Fan girl is? to me she looks similar to Aki from akidearest but I'm not certian about that.
It’s her. FroM her video “every fan reaction “
There's videos on here of James Horner explaining the contrast usage of the Khan / Reliant motifs in the score played off against the main theme used for Kirk/Enterprise.
I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, but since Enterprise, I've wondered if the defence field that they energize in this scene is the equivalent of the polarized hull plating on the NX-01 - good for low-power threats and older technology, and a nice little extra safety margin, but not even close to being enough against modern ships and weapons. Weapons and shields have come a long way in since Archer's day.
As for Khan's crew not spotting the phaser lock when Spock spotted theirs, Spock was actually looking at his sensor board before Reliant fired. Joachim (Khan's number 2) was meant to be watching the board but at the moment Sulu was locking phasers, Joachim was away from his station consulting with Khan because they thought they'd already won.
Good video👍
I laughed way too long at the The Rock screaming "Shut up bitch!" out of nowhere lol I had to pause it lol
he didn't vesn out of his chair where did u get that,,,,, from
Can you do a full breakdown of Galaxy Quest like this?
It would have to be fan funded through Patreon or TH-cam (or paypal) - but yea.
I know you give this scene all the props except for when Savick switches from the CON to Ops. I feel like who ever was in the stations had already left the station and when you said Kahn had been transported lmaoo. He might have gotten up from the chair and came to the console in between the cut of him and his second since it was getting tense and he wanted to see everything going on. He had enough time between the cut back and forth
Best drama star trek ever got
I always thought Sulu did some kind of manual weapons lock like Worf did in TNG against the Klingons to avoid their knowing.
James Horner's score helped make this film legendary, everything in this film was done so well, it's always been in my top ten of some of the most tightly made films, everything is so great, editing, music, narrative, dialogue, acting, thematics, it's always amazed me.
They were 12 hours away from Regula 1 when this happened so how did they ever get there on auxiliary power? No warp speed.
Or it was a lock using passive systems, which is what you would use if you wanted to not tip off you are targeting. In air combat you use radar for targeting it registers on enemy radar warning receiver, but if you target with IR which is passive they get no warning at all.
From today's perspective having Spock being able to look up the master control code for the Reliant is a huge security issue.
Starfleet lacks a lot in security features. The whole ship is highly insecure. Shuttlecraft get stolen a lot. People beam on and off ship left and right. In TNG, A lot has to do with how big the ship is, with a smaller crew(ability to carry 6k-8k personnel, but regularly has only 1k crew)..but on the old Enterprise, there really shouldn't be ways for ppl to get by unnoticed as its a smaller ship.
Defense fields could also be the equivalent of internal shields. We know the ship has emergency bulkheads that are primed at all times, but they're few and far between. to cover for this they might also have shields that take a fair bit of power to run. For that reason they stay powered down outside of combat.
I do have one, I'd say for once viable, reason why the Reliant didn't detect weapons lock. Spock was actively scanning when he detected the lock on. It could be this active scanning is what allowed him to noticed where as the Reliant is only using passive sensors. This combined with training/experience with the technology could actually explain this one.
Mind you like so many, I've often wondered why the Enterprise can't use that prefix code to do a lot more than just drop shields. It could be the system is geared for limited use, and they may well be unable to do much more. Part of me could see this, you don't want to give anyone but the ship's captain the ability to utterly destroy the ship. At least this way you're free to take some pot shots to disable, then use your own forces to retake the ship. But it's still flawed any way you look at it.
At that point, the shields were not being monitored closely by Khan's crew until the alert that they were dropping sounded making it the best choice of system to be taken over by the prefix code.
Navigation doesn't really need to be manned at all times. You gotta remember that navigation as well as helm was so easy that one person could handle it all alone at one console, way back in Archer's era.
It was clear what Sulu's target was, and it wasn't hit on the first shot. They were eventually able to hit the target, after dragging the phasers toward the impulse dome. Sooo... Maybe, Sulu manually locked the phasers, with his best guess, instead of relying on sensors, which would have given the move away. The Reliant seemed to be pretty close, at the time. It was well within gloating range.
Also, Sulu doesn't take his eyes off of his console - perhaps he was manually moving the ships' phasers.
0:24 To be fair, she could see the station from the command chair. If there was a need to attend an instrument, she would have noticed. Besides, there's a full-fledged command officer in the other chair beside hers. Sulu probably let her take the chair for more experience in overseeing the entire bridge rather than assume the bridge himself.
I had that same thought on why Reliant didn't notice the weapons lock. I would assume it's like when Ramius wants to re-verify range to target and asks for a single ping. The Dallas notices it.
Inertial dampers work great when tied to the ships computer and they can work in synchronicity to the ships actions but they have to react to actions that can not be totally measured before they actually happen and try to lessen the results.
There's really nothing to support my idea but the Reliant itself just looks angry with the close approaching scene to me. The way its lit up just gives me that idea. Great video Lore! Keep it coming.
What makes this great is the actors know what the characters would do and how they would behave.
This is what Star Trek Picard forgot about how Picard would act and behave along with other older characters
Savek is right. What is the negative to raising shields?
the Reliant's departure at the end reminds me of Team Rocket blasting off in Pokemon.