TRAPPED above the clouds and running out of TIME | Air India Flight 101
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On September 11th, 2018, an Air India Boeing 777 approaching JFK Airport in New York experienced a cascade of electrical failures which disabled numerous instruments in the cockpit.
In poor weather, and running low on fuel, the four pilots of the flight originating in New Delhi in India, had to make some crucial decisions. Should they attempt an unfamiliar type of approach into New York, or should they risk taking their electronically crippled aircraft to an airport further afield, where there was better weather, but where they might run critically low on fuel.
The fate of all 357 people on board depended on weather the flight crew could successfully manage this complex set of failures for which they had never been trained.
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This video was created with reference to publicly available sources, and with the help of qualified experts. Special thanks to Christopher Doherty for his assistance with this video. His expertise on Boeing 777 systems, and his willingness to share his knowledge, were invaluable.
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I was in this flight
Why were they allowed to take off in the first place? Seems there were failures from early on? Should they have returned to their original airport due to technical difficulties?
New York City, September 11th-
Wait a minute.
-2018
Oh, alright…
Fr bro, the second I heard that..
It's a sequel!!
@@Simmlexsequels never live up to the original, as this video shows…
Fr
I also got shocked for a second.
The calmness in the voice of the Pilot is an understatement.
He knew he had to be. There were 357 people on that malfunctioning bucket of bolts depending on him for their lives, starting with his own. They lived because that pilot and his crew were good, and so were those ATC people.
They ended up having to ferry the plane back to India. It couldn't be fixed on the ground and flown out safely.
So what happens when we get rid of pilots and make everything automated ? Lesson learned don’t take pilots out of the flight deck.
@@johncate9541 I doubt that that was the reason. This plane is build in the USA, they have the parts. But when you let a other nation fix the plane they will also get a inside on what went wrong, and when the airplane is under-serviced it might lead to a investigation in the airworthiness of the 777 from Air india. I also do not agree on the great pilots. I think a LNAV VNAV landing should be part of you're training. Alternate landing sites should be prior to flight being investigated and noted. Last but not least, if half a dozen systems fail and you're option are low due to fuel, you have to report Pan Pan. > No emergency, but at least urgency call.
@@contrarian604 It was clearly stated that it wasn’t known in advance that the ILS was not functioning until they were coming in for landing. Also they flew over the North Atlantic not the Pacific, so no they didn’t fly over the entire continental USA before getting to NYC - they would have faced the same weather issues at most or all alternate airports.
Not loud enough
It’s crazy hearing the conversations between the pilots and the control tower and how calm and professional they stay in dire situations.
Uhh iii ahhh
The ATC never seems to get the credit that they're due. So knowledgeable, calm, and helpful
I'm pretty it's Kennedy Steve. He's fairly well known and usually pretty funny when not in an emergency. He's been a controller since the 90s I believe.
@@cheekywitch
Amazing! Thank u!
@@cheekywitch Kennedy Steve was a ground controller. He retired a couple of years ago.
@@maesc2001 Yes primarily. He did an interview and mentioned he did all roles including center but preferred ground.
@@cheekywitch +3
This makes me realize that you can be on a flight like this and never realize what had just happened 😳 unless they were told, the passengers likely had no idea the gravity of the situation they were just in.
Gravity... 😁
Passengers are considered stupid by pilots, as a dr would consider umcomplying patients to be stupid
I mean they landed at the wrong airport so something definitely wasn't right and most passengers likely caught up to the situation
@@harshvardhan5893 what on earth makes you say that? I'm a pilot, I don't think my passengers are "stupid"... They don't know the technical details of the aircraft or how to fly a plane sure but I'm not some sinical egotistical elitist who thinks their passengers are "stupid". I can say the same for the vast majority of pilots I know. You sound as though you've got previous experience with a rude pilot or something. Why the uncalled for insult and generalisation?
@@elliott7268 Dont over analyze it bro, the dude is just a low iq individual. Theres alotta them.
Everyone involved here deserves praise, the pilots, ATC, emergency services, a really great team effort to help bring down this plane and it's passengers to safety.
Yeah, and the people in charge of scheduling maintenance for Air India should be on that flight, in the cockpit, with no seatbelts.
Dude...the crew must be statisfied realising they were alive and made kept all passengers were alive too.....super heros dont need money
Absolutely!!!
It is my opinion that many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders (required for ILS landing), and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment. Cost-cutting on a 777?? The pilots should have known what the plane could and could not do as soon as they took off, not waiting 15 hours until they are out of fuel and trying to land in New York with far worse weather.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 yup...u ain't wrong....but being one of the saddest countries ig you should let it slide 😭
A skilled crew is allowed to fly the plane when the computers let it down ... huge respect and recognition to the amount of time and effort to create such a clear video, thank you
"allowed"???
@@watchgoose Yes, in so many videos the computer prevents the crew flying, my English is not perfect but I think 'allowed' is correct
This is one of the very best videos I've seen! I mean, it is really tense! Without being over-dramatic. What a situation those pilots had to deal with! The video brings it all to life, communicating as clearly as the pilots did, no "emotional additives".
The computers did not let the plane down, it is poor and delayed servicing and replacement of parts at Air India.
The plane only made it down because of the ATC, not the pilots, all four were incompetent and should be disciplined.
Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
fyi, WampusCat is a real 777 pilot, and posted this five months ago:
Well done and interesting video. However, plenty more to the story we’re not being told.
As you might expect there are some high-time 777 guys out here to question these decisions and, today....well, that guy happens to be ME.
First, I bet my life that triple ILS radio failure is 100% impossible on the 777. We have three ILS receivers and, they’re completely independent systems, after all. My money is on the all-encompassing and ever popular “operator error” in this case.
Second, to critique your comments on the radio altimeter; It is absolutely NOT “more accurate” than a barometric altimeter, mainly because the two different types of altimeter measure two completely different (and only occasionally coincident) values.
Also, at no point did I hear the crew mention they were in the throes of a real live Fuel Emergency. This is important for the controllers to know, and Kgs of fuel on board means absolutely zero to someone who is not a 777 pilot. This measure is presented in hours and minutes of duration aloft.
The trusting passengers and crew survived this harrowing ordeal with licenses and lives intact despite the obvious lack of competence in the cockpit.
I was one of the cabin crew member of this flight. Happy Landings Stay safe...✈️
This happened on September 2018 and is now widely appreciated of the heroics of cockpit crew comprising commanders Captain Rustom Palia and Captain Sushant Singh and co-pilots Captain R S Bhatti and Captain R S Vikas.
These guys are great at flying. I like their situational awareness. I also like how they aviate, navigate and communicate. This displays good crew resource management. I am just a Jamaican farmer anyways. When I saw the aircraft burst through the cloud and the run way was visible I was in joy..😹 reminded me when I save my first kid on the farm.
Thanks to ATC as had it not be for them none of this would be possible.
Vvvwery good
Respect ✊
Thanks sunny its capt vikas🙂
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
Phenomenal pilots, flew the plane when it needed them most. Moreover, the video you have produced for us is nothing short of perfection. I really enjoyed this video
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 🙏🏼
Very True 👍
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@GreenDotAviation GDA, I understand you "hearting" or "Liking" comments that thank or commend your effort in putting the video together, but wholly do not understand your doing the same in "liking" comments that mindlessly commend the aircrew or pilot for doing such a wonderful job of landing the plane, when their abysmal performance, poor foresight and lack of planning in the 15 hours leading up to a known/expected difficult landing was what put their plane and passengers in such jeopardy, with very few options remaining at the time of final scheduled approach.
Just because the pilots landed the plane, does not mean they performed their job well, and just because 99% of the comments are mindlessly praising the pilots, does not mean that the aircrew is deserving of such praise. As the person in charge of this channel, I would expect you to be more discriminating, and objective in your presentation of what obvious oversights or errors took place, whether it be for planes that ultimately crashed, or for planes that ultimately landed only through dumb luck or the grace of god.
1% of the comments are entirely correct in being critical of the incompetence of the four pilots who wasted 15 hours in failing to prepare for an expected difficult landing with known faults. It is these comments that need follow-up and highlighting, perhaps in a follow-up video. It's shocking how so many comments are mindlessly praising these pilots, when their oversights and incompetence is clear to see to anyone who actually watches the video and thinks about how all of this could have been avoided far earlier, and far more easily.
@@contrarian604 are you an airline pilot yourself?
I can't get over the calmness and professionalism of the pilot. He and his crew deserve better than Air India who are culpable in what could have been a disaster.
Easy. He got enough Karma to go to the next of the fourtyeightquadrillion cycles to come.
Obviously you haven't flown my flag carriet that much
Your opinions would change
True
Don't worry mate AirIndia is now owned by TATAs.And they are known for their favouritism for their employees and not the market or the stock is change.Hope you have heard about Ratan Tata
They named a designated street after him in his village
Man, those radio calls...those pilots really had their sh*t together!
It is paramount that the air crew know how to fly the plane manually in the event of instrument failure. It's like John Nance said "When pilots don't know how to fly the plane manually you don't have pilots anymore, you have passengers."
They did fly manually. And saved everyone. But when you CANNOT SEE, flying blind is a huge risk too, that's why they were concerned to minimize all kinds of risk
As soon as I heard the recording of the man staffing ATC in New York, I immediately recognized it as Kennedy Steve. They were in good hands, and as I listened further, his experience showed, as he more or less declared an emergency for them by getting all relevant information and scrambling emergency equipment all while pressuring the pilots as little as possible.
SAME HERE!!! I LOVE KENNEDY STEVE
I know this is an older comment, but after looking up Kennedy Steve, I saw he retired in 2017, so wouldn't that mean this isn't him?
@@Rogerztheurbanlegend I found an article where it lists both 2017 and 2018 as his retirement year, so at this point I'm not sure anymore. It sounds like him but I may be mistaking his New York accent for someone else's.
@@unr3alGaming I know an air traffic controller who is called in from time to time even after retirement
13:00 - Whoa, that's Kennedy Steve! Not "some JFK ATC" - but the living legend himself!
Amazing to hear the original audio. The sheer professionalism of the ATC and the captain/pilot was commendable. They are highly skilled and smart. Goosebumps
Hot damn, that pilot saved all those lives by deciding to go for it and not attempt a go-around. I think he knew that was his only chance! Bravo
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 lol this is the same comment in every comment section of the video. You've commented everytime someone has said something nice about the pilots. Hate much?
@@varsharao86 He's also just wrong. The early failure was the radar altimeter, and even at that they had one functional one left and it continued to function all the way to landing. In and of itself this has zero impact on "ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions". That part didn't happen until the ILS functionality went, while they were already on final approach in the NY area.
@@contrarian604 lol ok first you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
@@Spooky_Platypus Looks like he works for Boeing and doing damage control. (Even though it doesn't seem as if it was manufacturer's fault).
Imagine a plane crashing in New York City on Sept 11, 2018. 17 years to the day after 9/11. Would be mad.
full of asians
I just love how chill this pilot is, professional and courteous in a situation my voice would be wavering!!
He was an Air Force pilot before this. Perhaps that helps
Excellent piloting in this! It's concerning though how some airlines seem to be neglectful of maintenance (or training, as in some past ones) to the point of disaster.
Only shows, you can either cut costs on maintenance or on pilots, not both ;-)
Actually very poor piloting
@@THWILIGHT_ACTION can you elaborate?
@@wassollderscheiss33 Agreed, but they ought not cut costs on either!
@@ersandy4u Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be severely disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
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This is the clearest communication I’ve ever heard between pilots and ATC. I understood and followed everything that they said.
What a Captain and flight Crew they are, absolutely brilliant, superb job done by these lads, if only the passengers knew that these Guys saved their lives....
Congratulations......!!
fyi, WampusCat is a real 777 pilot, and posted this below, five months ago:
Well done and interesting video. However, plenty more to the story we’re not being told.
As you might expect there are some high-time 777 guys out here to question these decisions and, today....well, that guy happens to be ME.
First, I bet my life that triple ILS radio failure is 100% impossible on the 777. We have three ILS receivers and, they’re completely independent systems, after all. My money is on the all-encompassing and ever popular “operator error” in this case.
Second, to critique your comments on the radio altimeter; It is absolutely NOT “more accurate” than a barometric altimeter, mainly because the two different types of altimeter measure two completely different (and only occasionally coincident) values.
Also, at no point did I hear the crew mention they were in the throes of a real live Fuel Emergency. This is important for the controllers to know, and Kgs of fuel on board means absolutely zero to someone who is not a 777 pilot. This measure is presented in hours and minutes of duration aloft.
The trusting passengers and crew survived this harrowing ordeal with licenses and lives intact despite the obvious lack of competence in the cockpit.
@@contrarian604 lol ok first you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
@@Spooky_Platypus wow you've copied and pasted this comment as much as he has. You say "you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots" but he's quoting an actual pilot.
Like you said at the end of the video, the pilots' decision-making was commendable in this situation and they definitely saved a lot of lives. It's just a shame that the airline was so shady in not publishing the report though. That kind of thing makes you lose faith in them taking your safety seriously
AIR INDIA IS A WORST AND UNSAFE
Now TATA Owned it and it will be much better expected
It was owned by Government Of India, what else can be expected. Thankfully now it is privatized.
@@jimbim1623 yes now it’s owned by TATA and you will enjoy a secured fly 👍
I n my opinion, all four pilots were incompetent and deserve reprimand. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying clear the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 AIR INDIA was maintained very casually and not regularly when it was under Govt or f India!
Now it’s very well maintained under proprietorship of TATA
I know this is an older video and you may not see my comment.
However, I LOVE that you don't only cover crashes that end if life being taken but you cover all kinds of plane situations.
I flew Corporate Jets around the world for a little over 35 years. These pilots did an extremely GREAT job. 🙌 Bravo
I strongly disagree with your opinion that the aircrew was great. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying clear the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 whatchu tryna do? Stop copy/pasting shit everywhere. You don’t know better than people who actually fly planes or who have previously.
@@contrarian604 lol ok first you’re arguing with an ACTUAL pilot. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
@@contrarian604You've the same hate comments in every thread. The whole world is praising them. Pilots, people from the industry. Surely they know they did a great job. That's why.
@@contrarian604your acting like in 15,000 hours of flying you wouldn’t make an error or two in that time
I had never heard of this incident and considering the implications in the air and on the ground had the pilots not been as calm and professional, it's a wonder it was never picked up by other channels. Excellent work and research in presenting another fascinating video to your fans! 👏👏👏
Glad you enjoyed it, Gary!
VasAviation covered it as well
@@kemwilson2046 I watched thier video.
@@GreenDotAviation Just wondering why not a water landing? If they are near water?
@@coolboy5428 water landing isas hard as surface landing for a fully loaded airplane
Wow! these pilots deserve to be in the textbooks and shout out to the air traffic controllers
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
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@@contrarian604 stfu. ATC did the job, lmao. Giving vectors to land is not the same as flying a crippled plane and managing to land it. It was the pilots that flew the aircraft, not the ATC.
@@contrarian604 I think at this point you’re just racist and that’s pathetic.
@@contrarian604 stay mad, and wrong
I came to realise why i never became a pilot myself and how important is weather conditions are. Few months back my flight was delayed due to rain at iChangi airport and i was furious.
Now i realised the criticality of all these conditions. Thanks for the videos bud
I was on a flight to Edinburgh airport several years ago and some people from Glasgow were driving to Edinburgh to pick me up. The plane hovered and circled in the skies for quite a bit and eventually they told us that they couldn't land due to the thick fog and that they would be going to Glasgow airport. Well I, like a spoilt brat, was huffing and heeing thinking about the people waiting for me at Edinburgh airport who had driven all the way from Glasgow ... I am ashamed of myself now after watching all of these videos as I now know that I was in expert hands. Better to have caused inconvenience to those friends of mine than to end up dead in a plane crash.
I worked at Air India 🇮🇳 at terminal 4 at JFK. 👨✈️Pilots are awesome. Their greeters.
Air India pilots are the best, they have some of the smoother landings and take offs. This was same feedback that I received from a lot of friends and relatives too.
I've heard the opposite
Seems true.
Qantas pilots are the best! Safety records from the past 100 years prove this also. But mad kudos to these air India pilots well done guys, awesome work, great aviation!
@@justindrew9702 I've heard the opposite
Air India now, I don't know after tata takeover, but it was infamous for its shoddy maintenance
And THIS is why you want humans in the cockpit ( and that too well trained and well laid ones), computers will always go wrong and when that happens you need a person in the loop. A computer cannot think for itself either
Well laid? 😅
@@eUK95 Something to live for :D
EXACTLY! I'm a 40 y/o Captain in the states and laugh whenever someone tells me that pilotless airliners will be here before I retire in 25 years. Not a chance. Even single pilot airliners is an INSANE notion to me. I can't begin to tell you how many times I have seen an autopilot do something so completely crazy out of the blue... And regarding single pilot ops, i have met airline pilots who I wouldn't trust for a myrisd of reasons.
The modern system is safe because of the safeguards, checks, and balances built into it. Take one thing out of the equation and it all breaks down.
@@BobbyGeneric145 I can see single pilot ops going real badly. Too high of a workload, especially when something goes wrong.
@@BobbyGeneric145 I’ve just completed my commercial pilot training which was mostly single pilot Ops but having gone through a multi crew cooperation course on a narrow body airliner sim it’s absurd to me that anyone would even consider single pilot Ops for passenger jets, god knows how many accidents have been averted thanks to the 2 crew principle. Just look at the number of pilot incapacitations that occur every year, each one of these could potentially be a tragedy without the second man in the cockpit. I don’t even want to think about the German wings type tragedies that may become more commonplace
After flying 3 decades as passenger over 500 flights to 130 cities, I always thanked pilots on exiting the aircraft.
What do you do sir?
I am asking this bcoz i cant figure out whivh carrier to choose in life.
I used to always say hello and joke with them a bit ( " you all are in good mood, right, you all are well rested, right?" etc.) when I boarded but that is not too welcome after 9/11...I do still thank them as I'm deplaning though.
@@hardikmishra9410 Get professional counselor to help you choose your career.
Many a times you get a particular education and immediately jump to a job not much of your liking.
An professional aptitude test will tell you, what is your potential in a particular talent and then work 35 years to achieve success and fame.
Good luck
I try to but often the flight crew is hidden behind heavily secured doors.
Are you guys all crazy here? The only one greeting passengers when they board and deboard, are the flight attendants. The pilots are typically locked in the cockpit dealing with pre-flight protocol, or working on the turnaround return leg for short-haul flights. I haven't seen a pilot unless it's a VERY small plane, or since before 9/11.
16:44 🤣 I had to laugh. He asks for their souls on board and fuel, then reports BOTH massively incorrectly!
True😂i noticed that too
Can you imagine the relief they must have felt when the runway finally came into view and they had a visual reference
So calm, so professional, such a great pilot and crew.
The highly talented pilot, focused perfectly, time slowed, his uptake and output maxed out with great results. Glorious results.
He earned some recognition for the handling of this event. Big.
Surely sims with same failures, weather and fuel level have been done. Community survives on learning.
I find it funny how he says uhh so often, it seems like something most uh pilots do
@@speen9430 That's because they are not reading rehearsed lines or from an autocue. Record one of your normal telephone conversations sometime, and you'll find that most people do the same in everyday conversations, but we normally "tune it out" and don't notice.
Also English is not his first language and he is in a high stress situation
@@speen9430 The pilot is not a native English speaker.. I have heard even a few native speakers say uhh while speaking.. so there is nothing funny about it..
@@speen9430 Spoken like a guy who has never used a filler in his life.
None of the passengers probably knew of the severity of the problem. I’ve been on a terrifying international flight where the turbulence was brutal right before landing and it seemed like we were low for a long time before landing. When we got on the ground everyone was violently jerked forward from the braking. When we landed there was no “welcome to NY” captain speech or flight attendants saying goodbye. Everyone just hurried off. I always wondered if something very wrong was going on and we weren’t told.
Good question. I wonder the same. I guess we'll never know 🤷♀️
@@varsharao86 th-cam.com/users/shortsBmc9NFfhx74?feature=share
I don't appreciate not being told myself. Recently our plane was not landing and going in circles. I know this was just a holding pattern, but why can't they just tell us?
I've been on a few planes that have jerked around violently upon touch down. Now I know why. I think it's better not to alarm the passengers .... I always look at the cabin crew to see if I can detect anxiety in their faces but they seem to be able to hide it
What a beautiful landing under pressure. Refusing to go around and missing the thunderstorm is all the more incredible. Every last passenger is to be grateful to be alive and they do not even know it.
Now they do.
Let's hope they watch this video and realise how lucky they are to have been in such safe hands.
Calmness personified.! Well done to the Pilots. Big Slap to Air India trying to cut costs..! Maintenance = lives....
Air India is in severe Debt which is why they are cutting Costs and the government sold air India to one of the most biggest grouped in the world TATA Group
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 racist copy paster
lol ok first you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
@@contrarian604 stay mad, and wrong
The helpful & communicative ATC officer was quite a relief amid that stack of failure. Excellent airmanship shown by the pilot as well 👍
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The ATC is the only reason why this plane had even a chance of landing safely.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 if it was done by Mr. sully. then Yea 😍 we will make a hollywood movie. as they were Indians, its negligence right? Get a life man 👍
@@nerdnero9779 Wrong. Race has nothing to do with it, and Mr. Sully in the Hudson River has nothing to do with it. Indian or White, I really don't care. You've got four pilots, flying to the limits of their fuel load, failing to check alternative landing points when they know they have inadequate equipment to perform an instrumented landing, and every airport on the east coast has similarly bad weather. That's just plain f**king incompetence, Indian or not. And, i've got lots of indian friends, and have been to Jalandhar, Punjab and Delhi.
The above comment by gora24 is correct: "helpful and communicative ATC was quite a relief amid that stack of failure." That stack of failure included the plane, and the four pilots' collective lack of recognition they were flying a defective plane. Read the comments, as i've read them ALL----some are pilots, and other former passengers of Air India that have stated they will never ever fly with Air India.
99% of the comments here are seals clapping their flippers at what a wonderful aircrew this was. I'm part of the 1% calling BS on the praise for the FOUR pilots (two shifts of two pilots each)---just because they landed the damn thing doesn't mean they didn't exhibit gross incompetence. They had fourteen hours to recognize that a difficult landing was coming up, without proper instrumentation to make a non-visual landing. The weather was similarly bad up and down the entire east coast---they didn't stop to ask themselves until final approach if they could land the thing?? I've known pilots in my day, they want certainty and stacking the odds in their favor. These four pilots displayed callous disregard for their plane, their passengers, and themselves.
fyi, WampusCat is a real 777 pilot, and posted this below, five months ago:
"Well done and interesting video. However, plenty more to the story we’re not being told.
As you might expect there are some high-time 777 guys out here to question these decisions and, today....well, that guy happens to be ME.
First, I bet my life that triple ILS radio failure is 100% impossible on the 777. We have three ILS receivers and, they’re completely independent systems, after all. My money is on the all-encompassing and ever popular “operator error” in this case.
Second, to critique your comments on the radio altimeter; It is absolutely NOT “more accurate” than a barometric altimeter, mainly because the two different types of altimeter measure two completely different (and only occasionally coincident) values.
Also, at no point did I hear the crew mention they were in the throes of a real live Fuel Emergency. This is important for the controllers to know, and Kgs of fuel on board means absolutely zero to someone who is not a 777 pilot. This measure is presented in hours and minutes of duration aloft.
The trusting passengers and crew survived this harrowing ordeal with licenses and lives intact despite the obvious lack of competence in the cockpit."
THERE ARE MORE comments critical of the aircrew, so I'm not the only one calling BS on the unjustified praise. I will repeat the last sentence posted by WampusCat above, a real live 777 pilot:
"THE TRUSTING PASSENGERS SURVIVED THIS ORDEAL WITH LICENSES AND LIVES INTACT DESPITE THE OBVIOUS LACK OF COMPETENCE IN THE COCKPIT."
I rest my case.
@@contrarian604 racist
lol ok first you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
@@contrarian604 stay mad, and wrong
Crazy to think those passengers likely had no idea how severe the situation was
To manage to continually assess the situation, the faults, the fuel, the plane itself, relay this information between each other and ATC, and consistently make the correct decisions, at the end of a 15 hour flight that has been going more and more wrong for the last 2 hours and still land perfectly safely is absolutely incredible. The pilots really deserve some better recognition for this. It could have easily ended far, far worse.
A sophisticated computer system is a great aid in flying these planes, but even more important is having a skilled crew. And no plane should be allowed to fly if there are known problems with any system.
The fact this turned out so well is truly miraculous. These pilots are to be commended and hailed as heroes.
What did I say about maintenance oversight??
Thank goodness for captains like this, and for ATC like this. This kind of professionalism and teamwork gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside .
The pilot was so professional and ATC really stepped in and did what they could
I have tremendous amount of respect for pilots like them on this video. The calm atmosphere in the cockpit is overwhelming. They dedicat their time and training to keep you safe in the air
what a stressful situation! The pilots did very well I think.
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
fyi, WampusCat is a real 777 pilot, and FYI posted this five months ago:
Well done and interesting video. However, plenty more to the story we’re not being told.
As you might expect there are some high-time 777 guys out here to question these decisions and, today....well, that guy happens to be ME.
First, I bet my life that triple ILS radio failure is 100% impossible on the 777. We have three ILS receivers and, they’re completely independent systems, after all. My money is on the all-encompassing and ever popular “operator error” in this case.
Second, to critique your comments on the radio altimeter; It is absolutely NOT “more accurate” than a barometric altimeter, mainly because the two different types of altimeter measure two completely different (and only occasionally coincident) values.
Also, at no point did I hear the crew mention they were in the throes of a real live Fuel Emergency. This is important for the controllers to know, and Kgs of fuel on board means absolutely zero to someone who is not a 777 pilot. This measure is presented in hours and minutes of duration aloft.
The trusting passengers and crew survived this harrowing ordeal with licenses and lives intact despite the obvious lack of competence in the cockpit.
@@contrarian604 ok dude you don’t need to keep replying to a comment from 5 months ago.
@@Lingboysc2 I watched the video a month ago. There's a few of us here pointing out the crew were incompetent, in contrast to the 99% of comments clapping their hands like trained seals stating "the pilots did very well, I think", like yours truly. The kids are simply pointing out the emperor isn't wearing any clothes. Sometimes the majority is wrong.
@@contrarian604 I do not care. this is a youtube video for entertainment and from the facts presented I felt that the flight crew reacted to their situation as best they could. Your life must not be very interesting if you spend all this time trying to convince strangers on the internet that pilots from 1 incident were incompetent. It really seems like you have a personal vendetta. If I wanted to know for CERTAIN what happened I would read the official final report, not watch youtube videos or read youtube comments from strangers.
Not a good point on the maintenance field but the crew did exactly what had to be done. This has to be highlighted since it's not that common in airliners incidents and accidents. Congratulations from an old former pilot.
I'd put the "management" personnel of Air India on a flight duplicating all the failures, and let them try to land.
Query for you---do you not believe that the aircrew could have done far more to prepare for the eventual landing and discuss weather, options, and alternative airports well before running on fumes? Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying clear the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 ---- Good analysis that the video didn't touch on.
@@davesmith5656 I can't believe how many mindless people are on this forum, saying "what a great aircrew", and "what great pilots", and "I want them to fly my plane!!!" when the four clowns in the cockpit only landed despite themselves, due to sheer dumb luck and the efforts of the ATC.
@@contrarian604 Well you are rough: this aircraft had several failures all along the flight but none to let them think that they could not land normally at their destination. I feel that they could not predict this accumulation of problems in the same time at the worst moment.
When you mention that the 777 has 3 "radio transponders" I presume you refer to radio-altimeters: it's a very accurate instrument used in final approach but the same ILS approach can be performed without the radio-altimeter like in the old times, you must just monitor the altimeter carefully but it's feasible. Anyway they had still a functioning radio-altimeter. Unfortunately it's not sufficient to perform an autolanding (the system needs 2).
Regarding the weather: of course they were informed of the weather but it was not yet an issue: 200 ft ceiling is not a big deal with modern airliners. The problem they faced was the failure of the ILS in the approach phase and this was not good. In this case you can still land, performing a non-precision approach but, as trouble never comes alone, even the alternate airports had the same kind of weather and, for obvious reasons, a non-precision approach has higher minimums than an ILS. So they went in a situation where they could not land anywhere unless there would be an improvement of the ceiling somewhere. Moreover thay had also an indication of a landing gear malfunction, etc ... Things were really interesting, to say the least and in the mean time they were burning fuel! Hard day ...
They could maybe have had some more fuel but I'm sure they were respecting the usual fuel requirements. However when things are going South like this, burning a lot of fuel in low altitude in go-arounds ... not that simple, you must make decisions quickly.
Keep in mind that you cannot plan everything, you have sometimes to react fast to the unexpected. Note also that everybody is smarter in an armchair than in a cockpit... So, all in all, I still think they did a great job.
I just hope one day to be as calm in scary situations as this captain. 200% professionalism and bravery.
The pilot is incredible! Kudos to him for how calm he was in this whole situation and how professional he was. This pilot is a true definition of a professional.
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 you’re obnoxious and a racist bye
lol ok first you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
@@contrarian604 stay mad, and wrong
finally a video that features very competent pilots that know how to handle circumstances like this and don't pull the aircraft down into a dive or endless descent like Aeroperu 603
Kudos to that amazing crew... That captain is the most calmest I've heard so far. Wow!
The relief when he said 2018 in the intro lol
Respect to ATC and crew, well done to all, professionalism at its best.
First timer i thorougly enjoyed this video, well presented. Bless the pilot and crew and ATC.
Now that Air India is privatized we expect it to get only better. Salute to these pilots. Very calm in the face of disaster
I hope the maintenance improves. Why did'nt Indian news get the report using freedom of Information Act, I wonder. It was a government airline.
Usually government subsidized airlines have a very tight group of pilots and mechanics.
There is no accountability. Things are resolved in a private home or at a club. Airplane parts are substandard or disappear from the warehouse.
Work Orders are signed by the same person , their uncle and cousin.
In-flight crew play cards and could care less if a passenger got a shoe sole for dinner.
I hope it improves. I hear that the Tata group bought it. Look at Land Rover, what a turn around!
@Alfred Weber can't get any worse than it is now
@@iasciateognisperanza3267 agreed
@@sowmitriswamy6718 This incident was reported in Indian media. There were interviews of the flight crew too.
This pilot instilled confidence from the get go. Good man.
He might have, his fuel planning kinda did not.
Nice blend of animation, commentary and ATC. Turning out to be an excellent channel, great stuff, well done!
Glad you’re enjoying the vids 🙏🏼 More on the way!
@@GreenDotAviation GDA, as the host of this channel, Why are you "hearting" simple comments that are praising the pilot crew for this Air India Flight 101? There are other dissenting views that believe the entire aircrew of four pilots was incompetent.
Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying clear the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel said that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 When you are wrong but can't admit it:
Almost as bad as september 11th, crazy how things happen
I just wanted to thank you for creating an amazing channel all of us pilots can learn from. Great content and perfect story-telling skills. Thank you 😊
Thank you! Delighted you're enjoying the videos :)
Very interesting video. The pilot’s performance was amazing in a high stress environment. CRM shined in the crew’s ability to work together to land the plane safely.
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 you’re fake news
lol ok first you’re arguing with ACTUAL pilots. Second, you dingus, if you watched and listened you’d have learned that they couldn’t have known about this ILS failure until they came in to land. You can’t know that that’s failing over the ocean. How COULD you possibly know that over the ocean? Use your common sense.
This was really a "Swiss Cheese" compilation of errors. A lot of slices with the holes not lining up very well, but they really kept their CRM at 100% and got through it. That was a white-knuckle ride.
So glad that everyone here in the comments have observed and lauded the calm and composure of the Pilots. Of all the vids like these that I have seen, have to say, the communication of the Pilots here were crisp and on point....Bravo 👏👏!!
Amazing pilot and tower staff skills. They focused on aviating and navigating first and calmly handled the situation 👍🏼
Kudos to the pilots. They have shown immense calmness and professionalism
Many of the comments praising this aircrew are "fake news" fluffers from India.
The flight crew was incompetent and should be disciplined. Two pilot crews, each took a full shift and both knew for upwards of 14+ hours (assuming they spoke with one another) that their various systems were down, and adversely affected the 777's ability to land in less than ideal weather conditions. All warning lights came up as soon as cruise was reached, and the four pilots had 15 hours to discuss the landing, and any expected difficulties. Weather conditions at the target destination could have been queried in the hours as they approached, while flying across the entire continental USA. What were they doing in the meantime? Ceiling conditions could have been identified for an entire host of possible landing sites well before the airplane was flying on fumes, and weather at alternate landing sites checked. CaptainD on FlightChannel commented that every 777 has three radio transponders, and that having two down shows poor maintenance and delayed replacement of failed equipment, and that he would never ever fly Air India. JohnCate on this channel commented that the plane could not be fixed in NYC and had to be flown back to India without any passengers for repair and service.
I agree that everyone was professional and kudos to landing the plane, that is entirely due to the efforts of the ATC. Geesus, it's not like the various failures happened on approach, and the weather conditions at the destination weren't known well in advance. Good grief, 14+ hours is a lot of time to waste, zero planning for the inevitable landing, and zero planning on route alternatives given that the fuel remaining could have been calculated in the final two hours to destination, alerting them to a potential fuel issue. Failure to plan, is planning to fail.
@@contrarian604 get a life
@@contrarian604 stay mad, and wrong
Wish we had leaders who are as calm, steady and focused as the pilots and the ATC staff...hats off to all pf them...
Didn't realize Kennedy Steve was in the tower that day.
the insane amount of knowledge and quick thinking that the guys at ATC have is incredible
Be Calm ALWAYS...One can do wonders, India Pilots are Brilliant 🤗🙏❤️🙏
There are so many instances like this that don't make it to mainstream news etc. but have incredible stories and learnings to be told, thankyou!
Everyone lived! The pilots did amazing, they got everyone on the ground safely whilst battling against a craft with many failures, and ATC did fantastic!
My comment is not to disparage the other aviation channels, however this is the best one. It's narrated, and perfectly narrated. Spot-on information and cadence. Visuals and graphics superb with real audio to hear. You just nail it brother. Like/sub/share/bell, check!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
This one and mentor pilot are so freaking good
Ironically this event took place over New York at exactly September 11th (9/11) 😅
I couldn’t have been happier at the ending… as soon as they were in trouble at jfk I started praying they’d make a safe landing. PHEW!!! 370 souls onboard!!!!!
That must’ve been terrifying flying through the fog.
Man vs the machine. Having a brilliant crew which stays cool under pressure is absolutely vital in all airplanes. I hope the Tata management revamps this airline and makes it more modern and reliable.
I watched this incident and listened to the ATC communications of this incident on VAS Aviation. You have made this video very accurately! Props to you! 👍
Good quality and well documented, thank you.
You are welcome! Glad you enjoyed it :)
What an excellent aviation channel. I have no idea why Green Dot hasn’t been recommended to me before, as I do watch other good aviation channels.
The scripts are always very well written, and the visuals edited in go along with the narration is excellent. I’m very impressed with this channel and definitely now a subscriber.
There's quite a few channels doing aviation incident content these days and I've watched most of them intensively. I have to say your content is by far the best, paralleled only by MentourPilot's reports.
Thank you! Much more on the way 😎
@@GreenDotAviation Can't wait! :)
Mentour pilot is too technical for me this is explained better
@@GreenDotAviationyou seriously need to change the title. While yours is an older video with longer audio I got recommended another video on same topic first.
Then as I searched for others I saw yours.
new york just cant get a break from september 11th
WoW! This video was awesomely narrated and illustrated! very high quality! keep it up! really got to learn some crucial things needed for becoming a pilot. Thanks a lot! 😊
Excellent Captain. Quick and concise decisions and good communication. Took control of the situation and made sure everyone was safe. Hats off to the pilots!
Stellar production! You are becoming my favourite narrated airplane mishap channel. Wonderful job by the pilots but I find it weird they never declared an emergency.
I’ve always been an aviation enthusiast but using simulators really has me appreciating just how extraordinary this incident was. Well done to the crew and ATC!
The video was very well compiled and explained with high quality of narration. Loved it, keep it up! You've got a sub today ^^
Amazing calmness under pressure by the pilot
Brilliant narration and presentation, thank you. Well done the crew, hats off to you for your cool and professional behaviour.
I have watched other videos on this flight, and this is the best by far. I am subscribed, and will watch for notifications. Good work! 👍
This was wonderfully done video. For those people who are more well versed with ATC terms I would highly recommend watch the continuous unedited version of their communication
Thanks @Green Dot Aviation for sharing yet another great story. Respect to the pilots and ATC for averting such a disaster.
Amazing job by the pilots. Air india was plagued by years of bureaucracy, unnecessary governance and corruption. The current government under PM Modi finally took a bold call and decided to sell it off to the original founders of Air India , the Tatas ,one of the most trusted names in the industry worldwide. This will bring huge improvement in equipment, professionalism , service and quality. This decision is a landmark decision in India. In 10 years you could be seeing at Air India becoming the next Emirates or Singapore Airlines. Anyhow coming back to the video , amazing editing and final output. Kudos to the TH-cam channel for the making this amazing video. And huge appreciation again to the calmness and strength of the pilots. They saved the day
There needs to be complete sobriety in the cockpit and the cabin crew as well.
Actually if airlines could be totally alcohol free that would be highly auspicious and more safe all around. Some rowdy drunk passengers can create havoc in flight.
They were very lucky they didn’t have to go around. They may have never got a second chance nearly as good as they had at that moment. Great piloting skills to get back on glide path and runway alignment. Kudos!
amazing to hear the voice of the pilot such calm in a situation like that. hats off well done video with the voice of the pilot and the control room.
The pilot chatting with the tower maintained his voice so calm all the time. Wow, very good
Excellent video . Superb crew resourcefulness .
Great example of crew resource management. Calm and professional.
Another fantastic video. Kudos to the pilot and his crew,also great communication skills between the air traffic controller and the pilot. The fact that the pilot and his crew had to be more than exhausted after such long hours in the air under dire circumstances this alone is a phenomenal feat. Situations like this highlight how dedicated these pilots have to be in there trade of choice,with minds of steel and to be very discipline is a priority. I have great respect for these guys. As always,excellent documentary. This is my favourite aviation channel hands down. Thank you for this wonderful video,I love when the ending is a happy one with no lives lost. 🙏🏽 ❤
Salute 🫡 to all those good human ppl of India (good ppl repeat)
Bless the ATCs : their service did help a lot
Ah, not sure if this is an error in my suggestion, or a coincidence, but I emailed you a few months ago to suggest Air India 101 but I was actually referring to Air India 101 (1966 - Mont Blanc) :-) Still a great video nonetheless! A follow up video of the 1966 Air India 101 crash would be great! Keep up the good work!
Hi! Yes, I got digging after you sent that email, and thought that since nobody has made a video about this particular Air India 101, I'd make this one first. I will very likely be making one about the other AIC101 as well in the coming months. Thanks again for the suggestion :)
@@GreenDotAviation Great! Looking forward to it! Thanks
@@GreenDotAviation Air India doesn't still run a flight 101 do they? You'd think they'd learn...
@@trekker105 , that is some coincidence that both incidents used the same flight number. The chance of that even happening would be extremely remote, but it happened.
@@bobby1970 Typically airlines retire a flight number after an incident; it's very strange to me that they didn't do it the first time.