I had a 1963 C-600 Mack tandem, with a Tri-plex double stick. I hauled logs and saw bolts with it. It shifted smoothly as long as you didn't use the clutch. I also had a 63 Autocar tractor with a 250 Cummings, 4x4 double stick tran with 4th over. That Ole A-car was fun to drive, she'd run 85-90 mph empty.
I was going to became a truck driver but for the pay and being away from home didn't do it, but i love those old Mack's better probably than the ones today.
Who's with Red Star, I was out of Syracuse NY. With both Red Star & St. Johnsbury on my resume I got a lot of miles driving some of the biggest junk there was!
"ckelley63" My favorite B-61 was the Tri-Plex, transmission. The Main and the Compound shift levers were swapped positions. With the Tri-Plex the compound was the one you ran the pattern, then moved the main to the next gear and the compound back to lo lo, two hands if on a hill or in a hurry; then repeat again. Built like a Mack was a saying that meant a lot.
If the small retro revolution going in farming is any indication, we might be looking at a future in transport where those old trucks like that B61 might again be in demand. I've seen several videos in here of farmers, especially in the USA, who have gone back to using older farm equipment simply because they can repair them themselves. Having a piece of machinery not moving, sometimes for days, because you have to wait for a fitter or mechanic to come out and run his computerised diagnostics, just for him to find out you have a faulty sensor, is a cost a lot of farmers are no longer willing to absorb. Back in the early 70's, I got a lift down from Tom Price to Perth with a bloke who owned an old B61. Somewhere between Carnarvon and Northampton, about 3 am, there was a hell of a bang from the engine bay and smoke started to pour out from somewhere around the engine and sparks were flying out from under the cab. Something had flown out of the air compressor, hit the first bend in the copper air supply line and blown a hole right through it. He got the truck off the road and at first light, we set about trying to repair the damage with a minimum of tools and not a lot of hope of success. We figured that if we straightened out some of the bends in the supply line, we just might have enough to cut off the damaged piece and still fit the pipe into the compressor. I found half of a broken, rusty hack saw blade buried in the dust on the hungry board behind the cab and we got to work, taking turns cutting through the pipe, with just old rags to protect our hands. Long story short, we fixed the problem and with, incredibly, the compressor still working, we set off on the 400+ miles to Perth. That old Thermodyne engine never missed a beat for the rest of the trip. I somehow think that these days, those sort of desperation repairs would be almost impossible for both modern drivers and modern trucks. th-cam.com/video/h1sqXcHR-tg/w-d-xo.html
funny you say that because i used my old 87 F250 to hual hay this summer and saved up some money whent to go look at a modern truck and said fuck that asked a friend if i could have his old grain truck that was in a roll over about 10 years back and he was like sure so i am now getting a 1975 C65 chevy with 366 V8 running best part is it has a 5+2 and dump bed
each work day I have to get a loaded truck moving on a grade like this with a manual transmission. I use the trolley valve to hold the truck in place and don't release it until the engine starts to chatter. Its not that hard. It just takes practice. Call me a knuckle dragger but ,to me, the grade gripper is just another computerized feature that will eventually fail and become a pain in the butt to repair. And if your mechanic in his pick up truck cant fix it on site, that means a trip to Mack. That means youre out hundreds of $$ for the towing and then the truck is gone for several days at the dealership where it isn't earning any revenue...Remember the KISS principle..Kepp It Simple Stupid.
I haven't had the opportunity to drive a Mack since 1983. It was an F (cabover) daycab. With a 237 Maxidine & a 5 speed manual. Don't miss that truck at all. Through the years driving a variety of trucks, I found it to be much easier to shift (floating the gears) without the clutch. I drove a 2001 Freightliner Classic XL that had a 10 speed Eaton Fuller auto mat. That was 2nd generation. Still had a clutch pedal. Loved that truck. Presently in a 2023 Freightliner Cascadia with a 12 speed auto mat. The hill grip rarely works on a hill. But constantly when I switch from forward to reverse or vise versa while trying to back into a spot. It holds all of the brakes & even prevents me from turning the steering wheel. Newer technology is always better.
Using that clutch was a mistake. Learned on a DM 800 with quadraplex and a surplus engine from a military prime mover. Got to catch the gears right, or pull to the side of the road, cuss, smoke a cigarette and then start over.
Back in the early 50s, the Studebaker cars had a similar feature called the "Hill holder'. When you had to stop on a hill, you held the clutch pedal all the way to the floor and the car stayed there. You were then able to just give it some gas as you let up on the clutch pedal and take off without the car rolling backward.
Yes automatics are great however new drivers need to learn how to really drive. Truck drivers have become so absent minded . Shifting makes you pay attention and better understand your load. Drive well !
Thats funny, I remember driving an old truck with a lever lock, it was a 1970's international, to start on a hill with a load you moved that lever, that held the brakes for you, then you give little gas and right when the clutch starts catching you flip the lever to release the brakes. This had hydraulic brakes btw, not air
Jim. Too bad they didn't give you a B model with a quad box. That would have been a fun comparison. Cool video, but you have not made me a convert. I still hate auto boxes and always will.
I agree fully with you, but ther is now in Europe an evolution at Scania. They have also autoboxes, but with a clutch pedal. It's up to you now if you want to drive automated or not.
I would never be a convert ! I like the two sticks , even if it is a duplex or a very unforgiving "Quad box". Old drivers with large clutch muscles , which BTW, most all drivers use a clutch to get rolling and sit at a traffic light. Thanks Dan Burkhart.
if they are true truck drivers starting is the only time they should need a clutch.i been hauling for 40 yrs now and I have replaced 1/3 the amount of clutch and pressure plates as the so called college grad of nowdays will replace.period and as forest gump said that's all I got to say about that.
The first truck I drove was a B61 with a triplex. That was back in the mid 70s. I LOVED driving that truck and would take it any day over a new auto or semi auto.
Todd lint.... Am in 100% total agreement with you!!.... Personally, I've been at it since 1966 - minus 3 yrs in the Army, and still at it, though now am just hauling hopper bottoms (grain, feed corn, etc) and stay within about 160 mile radius of "home"..... those phony, brainless, moronic "steering wheel holders" that are out there now, scare me to death.. and don't get me started on the "coups"!!. So thankful that I got in with the Last generation of Real Truck drivers and Owner Operators that actually had intelligence and great work ethics... these pee brains out there today, running around in their pajamas have absolutely no business even being allowed to get into a truck (if that's what you call them), let alone go down the road in one.... Absolutely PATHETIC, no other way to describe it!!
I don't remember where I read this 35 years ago, one suggestion I heard was to set either the parking brakes or the spike valve, then release them after the clutch was partially engaged.
I usually just leave my toes pressing the brake and use my heel to accelerate the engine, then once the clutch has engaged enough to get the truck moving I pivot my foot off the brake and accelerate more
I drove B-61 Macks just like that but with Triplex 2 Sticks. Or 3 on one and 5 on the other stick. I have drove 2 stick R model Macks with Duplex or 2 on one and 5 on the other. I have driven Quadraplex 2 stick with 5 & 4 or 20 forward gears. I enjoyed the Triplex B-61 MACKS MORE THAN ANY OTHER.
the 57 Mack I remember when i learned to drive 1976 it had a twin stick...not until 1992 would I see something like that with a high and low for 5 gears a 2 by 5... update looking at this again and watching him shift that is the same as the 2X5...the method is the same and now looking at this again it all comes back...now on to the 5x4
Good job with that double clutching lol. The old ones don't like that style you gotta float em and know the RPM and roadspeed. Listen to the machine, it will tell you when to shift and what gear it will allow. I'm not even old enough to have driven this but I learned how to float a Eaton 13 speed and it works great if you don't use clutch.
pull shift out at top rpm's on main going down into main gear then up throttle to aux gear.Used to make a quad sound like an automatic.Arms are too stiff now to continue but can do it for a while still.
Ok i learned to drive stick on a farmall. And first time driving a stick on the road was a 59 f6 with a 2 speed rear end, 3 on the tree for a main, and 4 speed on the floor as an add on. Its rare im driving more that a 1ton, but ill still say more sticks more fun, if you cant drive it then you just need to learn.
Our Father's would say "Quit whacking it and get shifting - you got a job to do!"... Back then - a man had common-sense, a solid work-ethic, respect for fellow drivers - and their equipment. Today's drivers with their joystick-controlled rolling offices? well, one word says it all: 'SWIFT'.
all i needed to take off on a upgrade was the trolley brake could sit there more than three seconds in case that pedestrian decides to run out in front of you at the last second
Drove b 61 twin stick when I was 16 had no problems. He wants to put in people's mind to drive automatic. No bracks your up a creek .... stick you can down shift.
Mack purchased this B-61 from me. I think it was 1985, in Summit, New Jersey. I recognize that Stewart Warner direct reading temperature gauge and the green vinyl driver's seat (the upholstery shop did not have brown). The transmission is a "Nine Speed Over-gear." Ninth is from fourth high to fifth high, a "close ratio." I never used the clutch once moving. Form was to slide the main box into neutral, idle down, snatch the auxiliary into neutral, instantly engage the main, raise the engine speed while engaging the auxiliary. This is done with one hand, keeping one hand on the steering wheel. The shifting should be buttery smooth. With nine speeds, there was not much room for error. ,
Guess I m old , have driven that one and quite a few others . Hint going up gear is easy but load s , mid corner shift s, hill s and timing down shift s take caution with matching tachometers was interesting. The industry has to go automatic with non stick driving newbies.
Never had any problems with starting on an incline without rolling backwards eather... "all kinds of anxiety", give me a break, he is talking like a real salesman and not a knolagable trucker, & if you think that I don't know what I am talking about, I drove heavy duty wrecker for 22 year's & pulled any kind of load that you can think of ...no brag, just fact.
Automatic semi's are a death trap. They don't shift when you need it. They shift when you should stay locked in 1 gear. So you go manual shift and do a head on. Now monkey's can drive big rigs. Wow, everyone is so much safer now.
Today everyone wants EASY and mindless. I get it. That mindset will eventually lead to driver-less cars and trucks. If that's what you want ok, but personally I will never own an automatic. Nor will I let a computer drive me anywhere.
Luv this video. I am a brit.veteran. drove Thorneycroft mighty Antars Mk2. Modified. Three main boxes and one crawler on my unit. Total gear range of 56 forward and 8 reverse. Normally a two man operation with anything over 80 tons up. Also drive some Mack road trains . Total load 124 tons and max length of 225ft. Miss it all now. BUT THOROUGHLY ENJOY. the American/Canadian/Australian u tube clips.
I used to drive a 58 Mack 5 speed main and 3 spd aux, and you don't double clutch unless you want therapy for your left leg and if you do it right no slap back on your hand grinding gears. Down shifting is an art in these.
I wish the upcoming American Truck Simulator would be more involving than Euro Truck Simulator 2. I wish it would simulate the gearboxes better. Twin sticks and all.
@@Wildstar40 I think it would be more feasible to somehow get two shifters to work simultaneously or just link two separate shifters together in a daisy chain.
It's sad that Americans have become so chemical dependant that they can't master a quadraplex! So what does everybody do, we'll design a computer controlled truck and tell everyone that this is how it has to be. Sad, sad, sad! Wake up America, take some damn pride in what you do!!!
That titan is beautiful but I do have to correct. I believe a gold bulldog 18 speed should be a T318M that is a triple counter-shaft beast. Yes it is huge. An easy foot longer than the Eaton and much heavier. The gold bulldog means Mack transmission and axles.
a 2 stick R600 vs this new stuff is what you didn't cover.....show a video of a B model or R modeling hauling a bomber, driving threw thick mud....then these new macks….id take that B model any day of the week....
There's a Kid driving a "B" on the internet driving the twin stick like I learned how. I took my VA Chauffer's in a B dump truck with the 5/4. I started out shifting like you. The trooper looked at me and said " who taught you to shift that way?" I told him that I was doing it by the book for him. He said "bull ----". you'll never be able to drive like that with all the turns and ups and downs we have in South West Virginia, Show me you can do it right, or I won't pass you. So, my first shift was 2-3 while staying1 on the second box. My next was 1-2 on the second stick while simultaneously hooking my left arm through the wheel (he was having me turn right at the same time) NO Clutch! Then quickly (like 3 seconds) 3-4 on the main box. The trooper was making sure I could do every combination while throwing turns into the shifts. I was sweating (I needed the job for my college summer vacation). I did mess up the 3-4 while doing a 4-3. Neither trans had drive to sync with and I had to stop and start over. Brought back lots of memories! th-cam.com/video/P6pWCKY_qJo/w-d-xo.html
*- You reach through the wheel to hold the curve per: **th-cam.com/video/f7m2mnheEek/w-d-xo.html* *- After driving 14hrs. per day in a stone quarry, you learn how to slip all your gears and never every grind a one...or your clutch thigh gets really sore...the shop mechanics were dumbfounded that my gear box had perfect gears at the end of the season {it is all just the music of the engine's rpms}.*
Hill starts are easy in a diesel... Keep foot on brake, ease clutch out til it grabs enough to hold truck in place, do your brake to accel pedal switch and away you go! It's not that hard ...
It's even easier than that. Use your Johnson bar to hold the trailer brakes, let the clutch out to the bite point, give it a little fuel, let off the trailer brakes.
I worked a transfer station in 1994 where a 1950's B series Mack was used to swap out loaded trailers for empties at the hopper. I would use the hopper's hydraulic ram to help push off the trailer. I loved the old B series Macks as they were prevalent in the 60's when I was growing up. One of the Drivers at the hopper called it a "F***ing double shifting, double clutching armstrong POS"! I didn't share his sentiment but I could appreciate it.
Just like cars that parked themselves,warn you when someone’s in your blind spot,decelerate when coming to close to another vehicle etc...no wonder people cant drive nowadays,they dont have to!!! People are real lazy now...
Had to hook a loaded dump om the hill out sid of Scranton PA willksbare that's. Where I mastered twin shifters brought them down the hill no problem driver of the dump truck was amazed at how at how I hands it I even have brought him a cup of coffee had one of my own child weather in snow storm tow him back to buffalo N.Y. no problem
I can see a problem. In both the trucks with manual transmissions you should have kept your left foot on the floor after the truck was moving. Real drivers don't need the clutch to shift.
Should be titled "From Truck to Junk!" Should have kept making twin stick R models! The R and Superliner were the best Mack ever built! Only someone who shouldn't be allowed to drive a truck at all is behind the wheel of this new rubbish! Automatic in a large car should be illegal.
"Grinding your way through gears" If you knew how to double clutch you wouldn't have grinded gears. I've shifted everything from duplex Mack's through 18 speeds. Including 5×4s. Use clutch!
I'm definitely what you'd describe as a manual fetishest, and have a whole bunch of salty arguments to support my cause. But I'm not going to pretend I wasn't impressed with how that transmission handled stopping and starting on that grade. But personally, my right hand gets in all sorts of trouble if it's not rowing gears.
Can you just imagine what this guy was thinking To Compare the fully computer controlled and automated Transmission of a New Mack with what you could literally call the T-Rex of Dinosaur Diesel truck's The Mack B-61 Thermodyne ... Gee Wiz fella now let's compare user friendly creature comforts Let's compare the swinging audio sound of the B-61 with the Audio of today's modern Big Rig ...Let count cup holder's !!! how about cruz control No offense but an idiot can drive todays trucks and they do everyday they are hired by the Lot size to fill the need for cheap truck driver's who will work for so much less than they are worst ...I almost wanna slap myself for watching this rediculas comparison. ANY Truck driver who can't negotiate an 18 spd is NOT a truck driver he's a stock boy ...
A "Fully Automated" Manual transmission?? That is a textbook oxymoron. Same as dry water or cold heat. Every try pushing in the clutch on one of these old B Models?? Forget it, everyone who drove one shifted WITHOUT using the clutch. Only used the clutch when starting from a full stop. Also anyone who drove these for a living would use TWO hands when shifting from say 3-OD to 4-LO etc etc Worked every summer & weekends at night, driving a B model truck for a private sanitation company in Manhattan while in my college years.
Automatics are for steering wheel holders real drivers can have any truck they want because they have the cognitive functions the wherewithal the attention span and the ability to shift gears manually
In the olden days, you needed gorilla arms to drive a truck. If you didn't have 'em, you'd have to vomit & white-knuckle it till you did. Your truck beat you half to death and you liked it. You couldn't get enough of it. Ok, that's a lie, but drivers these days don't even know.
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I had a 1963 C-600 Mack tandem, with a Tri-plex double stick. I hauled logs and saw bolts with it. It shifted smoothly as long as you didn't use the clutch. I also had a 63 Autocar tractor with a 250 Cummings, 4x4 double stick tran with 4th over. That Ole A-car was fun to drive, she'd run 85-90 mph empty.
I was going to became a truck driver but for the pay and being away from home didn't do it, but i love those old Mack's better probably than the ones today.
That Duplex is above your head Bro! We peddled freight at Red Star Express with Duplex MB's. Those Mack's are for Real Truck Drivers!!
Who's with Red Star, I was out of Syracuse NY. With both Red Star & St. Johnsbury on my resume I got a lot of miles driving some of the biggest junk there was!
I would take that B model any day.
Hell yea I would too!
im buying one in a couple weeks@
Yeah I don't listen to people. I still like the old better.
Nothing wrong with the b model this guy is over complicating two sticks. My dad was a master at it
Would take the old b61 over the new ones any day!
+Roman Quinn Naaaaah ;)
The good ol' B series is immortal ;D
That ole B model was cherry!!
"ckelley63" My favorite B-61 was the Tri-Plex, transmission. The Main and the Compound shift levers were swapped positions. With the Tri-Plex the compound was the one you ran the pattern, then moved the main to the next gear and the compound back to lo lo, two hands if on a hill or in a hurry; then repeat again. Built like a Mack was a saying that meant a lot.
@@jamesglavich1426 Very coo !. l 😎
If the small retro revolution going in farming is any indication, we might be looking at a future in transport where those old trucks like that B61 might again be in demand. I've seen several videos in here of farmers, especially in the USA, who have gone back to using older farm equipment simply because they can repair them themselves. Having a piece of machinery not moving, sometimes for days, because you have to wait for a fitter or mechanic to come out and run his computerised diagnostics, just for him to find out you have a faulty sensor, is a cost a lot of farmers are no longer willing to absorb.
Back in the early 70's, I got a lift down from Tom Price to Perth with a bloke who owned an old B61. Somewhere between Carnarvon and Northampton, about 3 am, there was a hell of a bang from the engine bay and smoke started to pour out from somewhere around the engine and sparks were flying out from under the cab. Something had flown out of the air compressor, hit the first bend in the copper air supply line and blown a hole right through it. He got the truck off the road and at first light, we set about trying to repair the damage with a minimum of tools and not a lot of hope of success. We figured that if we straightened out some of the bends in the supply line, we just might have enough to cut off the damaged piece and still fit the pipe into the compressor. I found half of a broken, rusty hack saw blade buried in the dust on the hungry board behind the cab and we got to work, taking turns cutting through the pipe, with just old rags to protect our hands.
Long story short, we fixed the problem and with, incredibly, the compressor still working, we set off on the 400+ miles to Perth. That old Thermodyne engine never missed a beat for the rest of the trip. I somehow think that these days, those sort of desperation repairs would be almost impossible for both modern drivers and modern trucks.
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funny you say that because i used my old 87 F250 to hual hay this summer and saved up some money whent to go look at a modern truck and said fuck that asked a friend if i could have his old grain truck that was in a roll over about 10 years back and he was like sure so i am now getting a 1975 C65 chevy with 366 V8 running best part is it has a 5+2 and dump bed
each work day I have to get a loaded truck moving on a grade like this with a manual transmission. I use the trolley valve to hold the truck in place and don't release it until the engine starts to chatter. Its not that hard. It just takes practice. Call me a knuckle dragger but ,to me, the grade gripper is just another computerized feature that will eventually fail and become a pain in the butt to repair. And if your mechanic in his pick up truck cant fix it on site, that means a trip to Mack. That means youre out hundreds of $$ for the towing and then the truck is gone for several days at the dealership where it isn't earning any revenue...Remember the KISS principle..Kepp It Simple Stupid.
I haven't had the opportunity to drive a Mack since 1983. It was an F (cabover) daycab. With a 237 Maxidine & a 5 speed manual. Don't miss that truck at all. Through the years driving a variety of trucks, I found it to be much easier to shift (floating the gears) without the clutch. I drove a 2001 Freightliner Classic XL that had a 10 speed Eaton Fuller auto mat. That was 2nd generation. Still had a clutch pedal. Loved that truck. Presently in a 2023 Freightliner Cascadia with a 12 speed auto mat. The hill grip rarely works on a hill. But constantly when I switch from forward to reverse or vise versa while trying to back into a spot. It holds all of the brakes & even prevents me from turning the steering wheel. Newer technology is always better.
"Grade Gripper"? A band-aid for incompetent drivers. LOL.
And a right pain in the ass, not to mention hard on the clutch, driveline etc
Using that clutch was a mistake.
Learned on a DM 800 with quadraplex and a surplus engine from a military prime mover. Got to catch the gears right, or pull to the side of the road, cuss, smoke a cigarette and then start over.
Back in the early 50s, the Studebaker cars had a similar feature called the "Hill holder'. When you had to stop on a hill, you held the clutch pedal all the way to the floor and the car stayed there. You were then able to just give it some gas as you let up on the clutch pedal and take off without the car rolling backward.
Yes automatics are great however new drivers need to learn how to really drive. Truck drivers have become so absent minded . Shifting makes you pay attention and better understand your load. Drive well !
Thats funny, I remember driving an old truck with a lever lock, it was a 1970's international, to start on a hill with a load you moved that lever, that held the brakes for you, then you give little gas and right when the clutch starts catching you flip the lever to release the brakes. This had hydraulic brakes btw, not air
I drove Mack with a 5 and 3 triplex in 1956. It was about the sweetest twin stick. But I was younger then.
Jim. Too bad they didn't give you a B model with a quad box. That would have been a fun comparison.
Cool video, but you have not made me a convert. I still hate auto boxes and always will.
I agree fully with you, but ther is now in Europe an evolution at Scania. They have also autoboxes, but with a clutch pedal. It's up to you now if you want to drive automated or not.
I would never be a convert !
I like the two sticks , even if it is a duplex or a very unforgiving "Quad box". Old drivers with large clutch muscles , which BTW, most all drivers use a clutch to get rolling and sit at a traffic light. Thanks Dan Burkhart.
if they are true truck drivers starting is the only time they should need a clutch.i been hauling for 40 yrs now and I have replaced 1/3 the amount of clutch and pressure plates as the so called college grad of nowdays will replace.period and as forest gump said that's all I got to say about that.
Anyone can drive a truck now the automatic took all the skill out of it
The first truck I drove was a B61 with a triplex. That was back in the mid 70s. I LOVED driving that truck and would take it any day over a new auto or semi auto.
From skilled professionalism to mindless freight relocaters. Heart breaking
Todd Lint I agree
Todd lint.... Am in 100% total agreement with you!!.... Personally, I've been at it since 1966 - minus 3 yrs in the Army, and still at it, though now am just hauling hopper bottoms (grain, feed corn, etc) and stay within about 160 mile radius of "home"..... those phony, brainless, moronic "steering wheel holders" that are out there now, scare me to death.. and don't get me started on the "coups"!!.
So thankful that I got in with the Last generation of Real Truck drivers and Owner Operators that actually had intelligence and great work ethics... these pee brains out there today, running around in their pajamas have absolutely no business even being allowed to get into a truck (if that's what you call them), let alone go down the road in one.... Absolutely PATHETIC, no other way to describe it!!
Welcome to 2019 old fuck, catch up...you know there are cell phones today im case you didn’t know
I mean, favoring seeming professional at something over safety and less deaths is fine, I guess.
Professionalism and gearbox have nothing to do with each other.
Speakin of Mack semis I miss those MH cabover models they produced back in the 1980s, those were cool.
This started it all old school my old man is one of them.
I don't remember where I read this 35 years ago, one suggestion I heard was to set either the parking brakes or the spike valve, then release them after the clutch was partially engaged.
I usually just leave my toes pressing the brake and use my heel to accelerate the engine, then once the clutch has engaged enough to get the truck moving I pivot my foot off the brake and accelerate more
I drove B-61 Macks just like that but with Triplex 2 Sticks. Or 3 on one and 5 on the other stick. I have drove 2 stick R model Macks with Duplex or 2 on one and 5 on the other. I have driven Quadraplex 2 stick with 5 & 4 or 20 forward gears. I enjoyed the Triplex B-61 MACKS MORE THAN ANY OTHER.
the 57 Mack I remember when i learned to drive 1976 it had a twin stick...not until 1992 would I see something like that with a high and low for 5 gears a 2 by 5...
update looking at this again and watching him shift that is the same as the 2X5...the method is the same and now looking at this again it all comes back...now on to the 5x4
I was taught to split the gears main in neutral, shift the auxiliary drop the main into gear, no clutch except to start out or to stop.
My old boss from years ago had a 40 something Mack wrecker with a hand crank inertia starter.
Thanks Jim! I used to drive B Models 61 and B75. Sam Hamilton.
Good job with that double clutching lol. The old ones don't like that style you gotta float em and know the RPM and roadspeed. Listen to the machine, it will tell you when to shift and what gear it will allow. I'm not even old enough to have driven this but I learned how to float a Eaton 13 speed and it works great if you don't use clutch.
Hill holder ?
Whiskey tango foxtrot, use your trolley brake.
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The guy that taught me how to drive a B61 with a 5 & a 4, said not to use the clutch after I got it going. I learned after a few days.
He is promoting new products and yes I would like to have the old Mack.
I thought the stick for the auxiliary transmission was always the one right next to your leg on a twin stick Mack.
I found it easy to get the hanging of driving one watch going into 2nd gears it will smash your hand into the ashtray
Also I drove a 1950s KW that had a 120 speed 4 stick trans yup a 5 & 4 & 3 * 2 and I still didn't need no stink'in clutch lol
pull shift out at top rpm's on main going down into main gear then up throttle to aux gear.Used to make a quad sound like an automatic.Arms are too stiff now to continue but can do it for a while still.
when i got my air ticket i was taught to use trailer brakes on a hill to hold you from rolling back.
St. Johnsbury had TriPlex U Models, excellent Tractors!!
Ok i learned to drive stick on a farmall. And first time driving a stick on the road was a 59 f6 with a 2 speed rear end, 3 on the tree for a main, and 4 speed on the floor as an add on. Its rare im driving more that a 1ton, but ill still say more sticks more fun, if you cant drive it then you just need to learn.
I bet the f6 was something else to drive
@@corbinboltz3666 it was a hand full, and all of 90 hp from a flathead v8. Hills were a lot of fun when loaded...
@@oldreliable303 oh god so it also has less power than my old truck 😳
Chevrolet Titan 90 C.o.e. was the original Titan ( GMC version Astro 95).
I'm sorry, but give me an automatic in my truck, and I'm giving you my two-week notice. Period. Love that old B-model though!
I never had any problems with a manual transmission on a steep grade. Professional truckdriver to lazy steering wheel holders. Crazy isn't it.
Our Father's would say "Quit whacking it and get shifting - you got a job to do!"... Back then - a man had common-sense, a solid work-ethic, respect for fellow drivers - and their equipment. Today's drivers with their joystick-controlled rolling offices? well, one word says it all: 'SWIFT'.
Drove a 5 & a 4 & a 2 and never had to double clutch.
I learned to drive on a B. A very good truck.
all i needed to take off on a upgrade was the trolley brake could sit there more than three seconds in case that pedestrian decides to run out in front of you at the last second
Drove b 61 twin stick when I was 16 had no problems. He wants to put in people's mind to drive automatic. No bracks your up a creek .... stick you can down shift.
it's skill knowing how to drive manual
Mack purchased this B-61 from me. I think it was 1985, in Summit, New Jersey. I recognize that Stewart Warner direct reading temperature gauge and the green vinyl driver's seat (the upholstery shop did not have brown). The transmission is a "Nine Speed Over-gear." Ninth is from fourth high to fifth high, a "close ratio." I never used the clutch once moving. Form was to slide the main box into neutral, idle down, snatch the auxiliary into neutral, instantly engage the main, raise the engine speed while engaging the auxiliary. This is done with one hand, keeping one hand on the steering wheel. The shifting should be buttery smooth. With nine speeds, there was not much room for error.
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Separates the men from the boys or should I say steering wheel holder I drive mack 5x4 everyday
Guess I m old , have driven that one and quite a few others . Hint going up gear is easy but load s , mid corner shift s, hill s and timing down shift s take caution with matching tachometers was interesting. The industry has to go automatic with non stick driving newbies.
GET YOUR FOOT OFF THAT CLUTCH.. The B model is 50+ yrs old..I 'll bet the new mack won't live 50+ years.
amen
+Brian Shanabrough Respect for the grandpa Mack! ;D
The Duplex was simple. The Quadruplex was fun.
Never had any problems with starting on an incline without rolling backwards eather... "all kinds of anxiety", give me a break, he is talking like a real salesman and not a knolagable trucker, & if you think that I don't know what I am talking about, I drove heavy duty wrecker for 22 year's & pulled any kind of load that you can think of ...no brag, just fact.
Is this truck now considered an antique for registration purposes?
Ain’t double clutch since school
But you can't talk on your Cell phone or Text with a 5 & a 4 ! LOL
Actually you can, if you have a Bluetooth lmao. jk
Nor roll up the window and blast the air conditioner! LOL
Sure you can and smoke & drink coffee! Been doing it for years
Automatic semi's are a death trap. They don't shift when you need it. They shift when you should stay locked in 1 gear. So you go manual shift and do a head on. Now monkey's can drive big rigs. Wow, everyone is so much safer now.
I think I’ve heard that some of those Max had a 20 speed that would’ve been hard to shift
Does that green '57 Mack have power steering & power brakes?
Today everyone wants EASY and mindless. I get it. That mindset will eventually lead to driver-less cars and trucks. If that's what you want ok, but personally I will never own an automatic. Nor will I let a computer drive me anywhere.
Luv this video. I am a brit.veteran. drove Thorneycroft mighty Antars Mk2. Modified. Three main boxes and one crawler on my unit. Total gear range of 56 forward and 8 reverse. Normally a two man operation with anything over 80 tons up. Also drive some Mack road trains . Total load 124 tons and max length of 225ft. Miss it all now. BUT THOROUGHLY ENJOY. the American/Canadian/Australian u tube clips.
Thanks Daryl, but I’ll keep my ‘49 IH L model semi truck with twin sticks and 10spd.
Bring back the Twin Stick
Grade gripper? I use the parking lever on the steering column if I'm on a hill to hold the brakes while I start letting the clutch out
There is a video of a truck from 1970 that has a 6x4 transmission. Do you think that's enough gears?
Today's truck driver's are steering wheel holders with automatic transmission.I prefer a 10,13,15, and 18 speed fully manual transmission any day👍🏾👍🏾
Double clutching really
Float those gears clutch with be a lot happier
It's only there for starting off and backing up.
jarrad mcdaniel yes years ago I drove a 67 r model Mack two stick never used the clutch but stop and start you can split shift it without the clutch
I used to drive a 58 Mack 5 speed main and 3 spd aux, and you don't double clutch unless you want therapy for your left leg and if you do it right no slap back on your hand grinding gears. Down shifting is an art in these.
I wish the upcoming American Truck Simulator would be more involving than Euro Truck Simulator 2.
I wish it would simulate the gearboxes better. Twin sticks and all.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT.
+Not Named great minds think alike
Then Logitech will have to make a twin shifter that bolts to the floor.
@@Wildstar40 I think it would be more feasible to somehow get two shifters to work simultaneously or just link two separate shifters together in a daisy chain.
Hey all you trolls, does your car have an automatic transmission
yes and I hate it
It's sad that Americans have become so chemical dependant that they can't master a quadraplex! So what does everybody do, we'll design a computer controlled truck and tell everyone that this is how it has to be. Sad, sad, sad! Wake up America, take some damn pride in what you do!!!
That titan is beautiful but I do have to correct. I believe a gold bulldog 18 speed should be a T318M that is a triple counter-shaft beast. Yes it is huge. An easy foot longer than the Eaton and much heavier. The gold bulldog means Mack transmission and axles.
Smoke
It means MACK engine, transmission, drive axles
a 2 stick R600 vs this new stuff is what you didn't cover.....show a video of a B model or R modeling hauling a bomber, driving threw thick mud....then these new macks….id take that B model any day of the week....
There's a Kid driving a "B" on the internet driving the twin stick like I learned how. I took my VA Chauffer's in a B dump truck with the 5/4. I started out shifting like you. The trooper looked at me and said " who taught you to shift that way?" I told him that I was doing it by the book for him. He said "bull ----". you'll never be able to drive like that with all the turns and ups and downs we have in South West Virginia, Show me you can do it right, or I won't pass you. So, my first shift was 2-3 while staying1 on the second box. My next was 1-2 on the second stick while simultaneously hooking my left arm through the wheel (he was having me turn right at the same time) NO Clutch! Then quickly (like 3 seconds) 3-4 on the main box. The trooper was making sure I could do every combination while throwing turns into the shifts. I was sweating (I needed the job for my college summer vacation). I did mess up the 3-4 while doing a 4-3. Neither trans had drive to sync with and I had to stop and start over. Brought back lots of memories! th-cam.com/video/P6pWCKY_qJo/w-d-xo.html
It gets even more difficult if you're hauling a load of bananas down into Scranton
*- You reach through the wheel to hold the curve per: **th-cam.com/video/f7m2mnheEek/w-d-xo.html*
*- After driving 14hrs. per day in a stone quarry, you learn how to slip all your gears and never every grind a one...or your clutch thigh gets really sore...the shop mechanics were dumbfounded that my gear box had perfect gears at the end of the season {it is all just the music of the engine's rpms}.*
Trtxl 1070B la mejor de todas.
Hill starts are easy in a diesel... Keep foot on brake, ease clutch out til it grabs enough to hold truck in place, do your brake to accel pedal switch and away you go! It's not that hard ...
It's even easier than that. Use your Johnson bar to hold the trailer brakes, let the clutch out to the bite point, give it a little fuel, let off the trailer brakes.
I worked a transfer station in 1994 where a 1950's B series Mack was used to swap out loaded trailers for empties at the hopper. I would use the hopper's hydraulic ram to help push off the trailer. I loved the old B series Macks as they were prevalent in the 60's when I was growing up. One of the Drivers at the hopper called it a "F***ing double shifting, double clutching armstrong POS"! I didn't share his sentiment but I could appreciate it.
i would rather have the twin stick any day
Just like cars that parked themselves,warn you when someone’s in your blind spot,decelerate when coming to close to another vehicle etc...no wonder people cant drive nowadays,they dont have to!!! People are real lazy now...
Had to hook a loaded dump om the hill out sid of Scranton PA willksbare that's. Where I mastered twin shifters brought them down the hill no problem driver of the dump truck was amazed at how at how I hands it I even have brought him a cup of coffee had one of my own child weather in snow storm tow him back to buffalo N.Y. no problem
I can see a problem. In both the trucks with manual transmissions you should have kept your left foot on the floor after the truck was moving. Real drivers don't need the clutch to shift.
those autos are garbage
just like rideing a bike ehhh
When you miss a shift, get the next gear up, and then begin again
As i learned to drive with a 5x4 10,13, and 15 speeds were like racing
Just plan, anticipate, and take your time
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Give me the b model even tho i dont know twin stick
The twin stick isn’t hard it just takes practice
Take that b mode to the junkyard
Should be titled "From Truck to Junk!" Should have kept making twin stick R models! The R and Superliner were the best Mack ever built! Only someone who shouldn't be allowed to drive a truck at all is behind the wheel of this new rubbish! Automatic in a large car should be illegal.
Why wouldn’t u just put your left foot on the brake pedal if you were afraid of rolling back??? It’s an auto.
"Grinding your way through gears"
If you knew how to double clutch you wouldn't have grinded gears. I've shifted everything from duplex Mack's through 18 speeds. Including 5×4s.
Use clutch!
If you're competent you only need the clutch from a dead stop, no grinding involved
you can't find them grind them
Truckers that drove the old trucks WERE TRUCKERS; the one’s driving the automatic transmission s are just wheel holders
Rather drive the 1957 Mack.
That old Mack will still be in the road long after those new trucks are sold for scrap.
I'm definitely what you'd describe as a manual fetishest, and have a whole bunch of salty arguments to support my cause. But I'm not going to pretend I wasn't impressed with how that transmission handled stopping and starting on that grade. But personally, my right hand gets in all sorts of trouble if it's not rowing gears.
Can you just imagine what this guy was thinking To Compare the fully computer controlled and automated Transmission of a New Mack with what you could literally call the T-Rex of Dinosaur Diesel truck's The Mack B-61 Thermodyne ... Gee Wiz fella now let's compare user friendly creature comforts Let's compare the swinging audio sound of the B-61 with the Audio of today's modern Big Rig ...Let count cup holder's !!! how about cruz control No offense but an idiot can drive todays trucks and they do everyday they are hired by the Lot size to fill the need for cheap truck driver's who will work for so much less than they are worst ...I almost wanna slap myself for watching this rediculas comparison. ANY Truck driver who can't negotiate an 18 spd is NOT a truck driver he's a stock boy ...
twin sticks are easy to drive.no need for a clutch
A "Fully Automated" Manual transmission?? That is a textbook oxymoron. Same as dry water or cold heat. Every try pushing in the clutch on one of these old B Models?? Forget it, everyone who drove one shifted WITHOUT using the clutch. Only used the clutch when starting from a full stop. Also anyone who drove these for a living would use TWO hands when shifting from say 3-OD to 4-LO etc etc
Worked every summer & weekends at night, driving a B model truck for a private sanitation company in Manhattan while in my college years.
Automatics are for steering wheel holders real drivers can have any truck they want because they have the cognitive functions the wherewithal the attention span and the ability to shift gears manually
That couldn't be that hard to drive
In the olden days, you needed gorilla arms to drive a truck. If you didn't have 'em, you'd have to vomit & white-knuckle it till you did. Your truck beat you half to death and you liked it. You couldn't get enough of it. Ok, that's a lie, but drivers these days don't even know.
I'll take the twin stick m stands for moron or millennial NOW THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT
I'd hate to see this guy drive a 2 stroke Detroit.
Still double clutching on a 2014 model? That hasn’t be done in European trucks for a very long time.
Guys that actually know how to drive haven't been double clutching on American trucks for a long time either.