Exploring London's Pubs: Camden's Castles
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- Camden Town in north London is famous for its trio of 'castle' pubs: The Edinboro' Castle, The Pembroke Castle and The Dublin Castle.
It's said that, in the 19th century, these pubs were named in this manner as a means of segregating gangs of railway navvies: ie. the Irish were expected to drink in the Dublin Castle, the Welsh in the Pembroke, the Scots in the Edinboro' and the English in the Windsor Castle (which is now long lost).
This system supposedly prevented any animosity and drunken brawls between the groups.... but how true is the legend of the Camden Castles? In this video, we'll be finding out as we explore each pub in turn!
Plus of course I'll be including plenty of other history too (including two abandoned stations and some TV locations) as we go along!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:45 The Legend of the Camden Castle Pubs
02:09 The Edinboro' Castle
05:28 The Castle, Kentish Town & Nelson's Tree
06:22 South Kentish Town Tube Station
08:04 The Pembroke Castle
10:49 Primrose Hill Station
13:20 Camden's Lost Castle Pubs
14:04 Palmer's Pet Store
15:27 The Dublin Castle
20:10 Outro
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Links for this video:
The Edinboro' Castle
www.edinborocastlepub.co.uk/#/
The Pembroke Castle
www.pembrokeprimrosehill.co.uk/
The Dublin Castle
thedublincastle.com/
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Credits:
Images:
Dublin Castle Title Card image: Philafrenzy (Creative Commons)
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The Castle, 1910 image: pubwiki.co.uk
South Kentish Town Station: www.kentishtowner.co.uk/2013/...
Primrose Hill Station, 1990: Image Johnragla, Creative Commons
Camden New Journal Archive: / cnjarchive
London Irish Centre image: londonirishcentre.org/
Dublin Castle, 1950: Image, reddit user Max2310
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The research you do for all of these lovely episodes is mesmerizing. I just hope more people will take the chance to watch some of your content.
That means a lot to me; many thanks my friend
The Dublin Castle was also one of two establishments favoured by Morrissey when he lived in Camden (the other being The Good Mixer). Great work as usual, Rob!
Ah, I didn’t know that! Thank you 😉
Must've been a dreary gaff
Sad to learn the Carnarvon Castle is gone: I've just dug-out their gig list from June 1992! NB The spelling I've used is as per their gig list: so interesting to note the spelling of Edinboro'.
I'd gone to Camden with friends to buy a hat, but being a bit jaded from the previous night, retreated to the "Carnarvon". While nursing my hangover, I got talking to a Colombian film producer by the name of Sylvia and ended-up staying in London for the weekend...
Which is how I happen to have a tatty memento of a lost pub in Camden.
Thanks for the reminder!
Beautiful comment Jim. Thank you for sharing
As a former resident of Camden I really enjoyed this video Rob. Excellent content as ever from your brilliant channel.
Truly appreciate that; thank you 😊
Thanks Rob, I really enjoyed this journey through the history of Camden's castle pubs. The Dublin Castle has a special place in my memory. It was a vibrant, welcoming starting point on weekend Camden nights, back in the '00s. A great venue, with a warm reception from behind the bar. With late opening and such a diverse crowd: it was a space to make new friends and enjoy superb jukebox music until kicking out time. A close friend had his wedding reception there - great days.
Brilliant comment, thank you- and thanks for watching.
Commenting from New Zealand. Where very few buildings are pre 1940s , those old character pubs look rather intriguing .
Nice comment Annette thank you
Absolutely fantastic work!
Your tangents and additional side notes are amazing. Bringing a whole new depth to the story that you are telling. As someone born in Camden and working there everyday it’s great to hear all these facts and stories. Keep doing what you are doing. Well done
Truly appreciate that, means a lot to me- thank you ☺️
Wow. What a great channel.
Been addicted since discovering a few days ago.
I'm from Cornwall but moved to Buckinghamshire 5 years ago and only knew about the capital from book's and film.
More history than one can cover in a lifetime.
Many thanks
I really appreciate that Framinator, thank you. Good to have you here.
@@Robslondon Most interesting viewing sir
Fascinating,I used to love Camden Town,I went there in my early twenties.
Thank you Laurence!
Thanks Rob! The more you well research your work the more it inspires me to visit places in London anew or with fresh eyes! I lived in your mighty city for ten years which was filled with exploration, fond memories and interesting work..my best friend still lives there so the next time I’m down,I’ll make note of exploring these magnificent drinking holes…it would be rude not to😀. All the best and keep doing what you’re doing ❤
A truly gorgeous comment ☺️ Thank you. Thank you so much .
Well Rob, im late to the table.....again, fab presentation again and I'll drink to that 👍🍺🍹 Cheers DougT upt North😊
Ha ha, cheers Doug! 😉
Good one, Rob. It's impossible to see a sign for Talking Parrots without laughing out loud thinking what many consider Monty Python's best sketch, Dead Parrot. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ha ha! Yep! 🦜
72 camden street .. great times in the 80s ! frequented ALL those pubs many a time !
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Yet another eye-opening and entertaining video Rob. Though I visited Camden Town several times in my working life, I never tried any of the pubs. I never would have thought that Horatio Nelson had any connection with Camden.
Thanks so much John. Stay well.
Another cracking upload 😉
Some of those pubs are aptly named after castles as the prices they charge put them up there with robber Barons 😜
Thanks as always 😘
Best comment! 😅
😅 Cheers!
Great content. I love it as always. Thank you Robert. 👍👍👍😍😍😍
Bless you Sharon, thank you 😊
Thanks to this video and all the cool information shared in it ...I am posting this message FROM the Dublin Castle! I have to say, it's a fantastic pub with friendly staff, great beers etc etc. I don't want this to come over like an advert for the place ( I'm sure it doesn't need any), but just to say a big 'thank you' from a Northants lad and his missus. We wouldn't have known about this place were it not for your video. Special mention as well to the 'Rock'n'Roll Rescue' charity shop next door which is all about the music in no small measure. Great for musos and musicians alike! Not an advert I swear, just having a great time here thanks to this video. Cheers!
What a wonderful comment, thank you!
The praise is well deserved! And yes, the shop next door you mention is well worth a visit too 😉
Thanks again and stay well; I appreciate the kind words.
We spent a great evening in the Dublin Castle earlier in July of this year, a couple nights before Blur at Wembley. Got a photo of the Blur mural that’s down the wall in the stairwell leading to the loo! 😂 And Peggy made an appearance behind the bar. Thanks for this video with all the interesting history!
Lovely comment Pat, I enjoy reading that! Thanks and stay well 😉
Great mural that, with Supergrass next to it too :)
Rob, so much information in 21 minutes amazing. Public houses, railways, canals and local trivia.
Strange I was over at Camden two weeks ago to look at the locks ,which on the day the locks were quite busy
Over one of the lines there passed a freight train, all containers , i expect heaing for Stratford never seen a train of that length south of the river.
One railway sign that looked out of place was the Network South East, which i thought should have south of the river ??
Never entered any of the pubs you mention but did go into the Elephants Head, which is not in keeping with the Kings Head or Queens head, well done Rob
Many thanks Butch, much appreciated- hope you’re keeping well sir
Born in kentish town drunk at all these pubs. Carnarvon castle was my favourite place loads of heavy rock bands and dingwalls... happy memories. Great vid mate
Cheers Dave; lovely comment. Stay well mate
Very interesting video! As an expat, living in California, I really miss going to the pub. My local was always warm and inviting, and only a little bit rough around the edges (Friday night). Thanks for sharing!
It's a pleasure; thank you so much for watching!
Great video Rob, fascinating and well researched - and thanks for trying to help dispell this ridiculous myth! (The myth also ignores the Carnarvon Castle, which would have given the Welsh navvies two places to drink in! And closed before I suppose the originator of the myth first came to Camden...)
The navvy myth was also rejected by the Camden History Society newsletter issue 266. There was another less-exciting theory that the pubs were named after Castle class locomotives, but again it's nonsense.
Incidentally, Betjeman's story of Basil Green at South Kentish Town was based on the humuourous poem "The Tale of Mr Brackett" in the London Underground staff magazine in 1933. Well worth a read!
Wonderful comment thank you; much appreciated! I’ll certainly look up the poem 😉 Cheers and stay well.
A delight as always Rob. I only really know The Dublin Castle for the 'pub rock' thing though I can't for the life of me remeber if I've played there or not. Definitely played The Lord Nelson and The Hope and Anchor and a pub since demolished called The Peacock in Islington High Street.... they didn't have a music licence but for some reason the landlord loved the band (The Critcs) and we played there probably 25 times 🙂
Way back in '69/'70 I used to go to the free Sunday gigs at The Roundhouse though it was usually Hawkwind and/or The Third Ear Band. You'd count yerself lucky to get Edgar Broughton for free..Hahahaha
My '70s drinking was centred on St Johns Wood - The Red House on the roundabout - and The Portland on the High Street or The New Inn (I still have a bar stool). By the '80s I had a proper job with a suit and eveything and did most drinking in the West End but Chalk Farm, Islington and Camden were never too far in the background with a bit of Great Percy Street and les environs of Notting Hill as seasoning. The problem wih remembering pubs is.... well... the remembering really.
Your video has set me off again Rob. I blame you.... 😀
A fantastic comment Paul, really enjoyed reading your memories! Many thanks for sharing 😉 Hope you’re keeping well
It means even more now that I have had a decent stay in London and plan to do so again. I love your videos Rob
Bless you Vicky, thank you so much 😊 Hope you make it here soon!
Great Video that Rob, the reference to the ‘Winchester Club’ very intriguing as a fan of Minder. Didn’t realise Chalk Farm was so close to that vicinity. Top stuff 👏👊
Thanks Chris 😉
Rob, another masterclass as ever my friend. Always look forward to your content.
Much appreciated Ted, many thanks. Stay well my friend.
Lovely stuff Rob, thanks mate. Health issues have meant I've not been to Camden since 2018, need to go back at some point.
Many thanks indeed- hope you make it back to Camden soon ;-) Stay well.
Hello Robert
Love the video. Love the history of the area. We do not get Minder here in Canada but every time we come to London I watch it as seems to be on in the morning every day. Love Dennis Waterman. We where in Camden on our last trip, it is a fun and interesting area to see. We did not visit the pubs but purchased some Gin from the Gin distillery Half hitch at Camden market. Thanks for great video. Take Care Chris and Sandra of Canada.
Wonderful comment, thank you! .😉
interesting as always Rob, loved Camden during the 70s, at that time there was Punk,...there was also a Mod and a Rockabilly revival, a lot of live music venues,, it was a great time to be alive....anyway around the mid 60s my bands were the Who/Small Faces/Kinks,..the 60s was the best, Magic .love music, love life, and few Beers of course...
Great comment and memories, thank you!
Thank you very much once again, a very interesting video as I don’t live in London it’s very interesting to see these places
Thank you 😊
Thanks Rob. Another fascinating video..making me homesick for a decent Pub now…😩
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Lovely historical notes as usual Rob.. Thanks! 😊
Many thanks 😊
Loved hearing about The Dublin Castle Pub, very interesting musical history and, as usual, a thoroughly interesting account of all the locations visited.
Many thanks!
Always good to see a myth exposed. As usual a well produced and informative video.
Many thanks indeed 😉
Hi Rob, I find that many of these myths concerning the origin of a name are akin to the old military message going down the line. What starts out as, ‘Send reinforcements, we’re going to advance,’ becomes by frequent retelling, ‘Send three and four pence (old money) we’re going to a dance.’ A cracking video none the less. Cheers!
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Very educational Rob my new word for the day "iconoclast" had to look it up, I thought you were referring to a Russian flying boat at first. Hehe. .... Wonderful stories again specially Madness at the Dublin. Thanks again Rob!
😄 Cheers Paul! Hope
Yet another brilliant video Rob. I look forward to those. Thanks 🙂
Thanks so much 😉
plz take me to Elizabeth Fry area of London. where she used to live. I hope u know her. she is first Non-royal person to be printed on 5 pound note due to her contributions to UK.
Brilliant Sunday evening video. 😊
A pleasure! Thanks for watching
It's always such a pleasure to view one of your videos!
Thank you so much! That’s very kind of you; a huge help 😊 Stay well and thanks again.
@@Robslondon I'm now seeking out the Betjeman story--thank you for mentioning it!
@@JacqTracks Enjoy! 😉
Personal recollections, never been to any of those pubs but might do now thanks to your informative video. Cheers!
Cheers!
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My first job was at an estate agents between Chalk Farm tube and the Eton Club used as the Minder location.
The filming coincided with my first few days there.
Wow! 😀
I found this extremely entertaining. Thank you, Rob!
Thank you! 😀
Wow, a lively video and full of info !
Thank you ☺️
The first pub on your video was "The Elephants Head" this grubby but airy little pub is my fave Camden pub. If I was an Arch Bishop, I would request to be buried under the cellar.
It is a good one, yes!
My favourite, and only one I’ve been in, ha for what it’s worth, is the Spread Eagle which has the Withnail and I connection!
Ah yes!!
Last time I was in Camden was at the Market , quick pint in the dodgy Spoons, then walked to Limehouse on the towpath...I will defo have a proper look at these pubs...in Liverpool they also have a pub called the Caernarvon Castle...Great vid that Rob👏👏
Thanks so much Dave! Hope you’re keeping well. I’m planning to visit Liverpool soon, it’s a place I love and will certainly look out for the pub 😉 Cheers mate and stay well
@@Robslondon . Historic pubs of note in Liverpool, Lion Tavern, Peter Kavanagh's, Ye Cracke, The Vine, Ship & Mitre...and plenty more, cheers Rob
Excellent video, very informative!
Thank you!
Thanks Rob for another great and interesting video
Cheers 😉
Such detail and a bit of jest. I enjoy you but my mom (mum) would have loved you. Huge history detail buff. Day of the Triffids! Only seen the US version. Great movie, either nation. I keep telling people about it and they look at me like I'm mad.
Such a lovely comment Melissa, thank you ☺️
Thanks for another cracking vlog very interesting and informative 😊
Thanks for watching!
Excellent as always Rob, thank you.
I did the Camden town brewery tour a few months back and they also mention the castle pubs as a means of segregation for the navis. And of course the brewery's logo is a castle.
Already looking forward to your next video.
Nice comment thank you 😉
Excellent..never made it to Camden...maybe one day !
Hope you make it soon 😉 Cheers and stay well
Very interesting video, I especially liked the old newspaper cuttings!
One thing I found confusing though was in regards to the Edinburgh Castle pub...
One of the cuttings showed the sale of the pub in 1851 under it's original name of the 'Edinburgh Castle' but then you talk about its spelling of 'Edinboro' as if that was the pub's original name.
As far as I'm aware, the pub only adopted the phonetic spelling of 'Edinboro' as recently as the 1980s and previous to this it had always been known by its original name/spelling.
Many thanks for the kind words!
The name is very confusing- newspaper mentions in the 19th century spell it both ways (although the Edinboro version appears a lot more frequently)
@@Robslondon I’m very surprised that the ‘Edinboro’ spelling appears more frequently.
I have photos of the pub from the early 1900s when it was ‘The Edinburgh Castle’ (when it interestingly incorporated a museum within the pub), up to the 1950s when it was a Charrington’s pub and had the ‘The Edinburgh Castle’ etched into the stone above the entrance, as well as above the Charrington sign on the side of the pub.
(I’ll happily supply you with these photos including a photo of the Windsor Castle pub on Parkway - IMO it’s a better sight than a ‘Five Guys’!!)
I’ve lived in Camden all of my life and grew up a short distance from the pub and even from my earliest memories in the 1970s, I believe it was always known by its original name.
As I mentioned, I think it was only in the 1980s that they adopted the name of “The Edinboro Castle”.
Love these videos Rob, Thank you
Thank you 😊
Another very interesting video. Thank you ❤
Thanks Gill 😉
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
Very interesting video and again very well researched.
Thanks Moogmike! 😉
The Pembroke Castle used to be my lunchtime regular too, because we had the offices on Regent's Park Road that we later sold to Creation Records. It wasn't the charity shop (which is 109) it was the now anonymous door to the right of it that was numbered 109x when we moved in. The low white building is meant to be the location of a school that was the inspiration for Charles Dickens' Dotheboys Hall.
Ah, interesting thank you!
What a great video!
Thank you! Much appreciated 😉😃
Thank You Rob for another fabulous slice of History, Simply Magnificent Everytime.
Thank you so much D C ☺️
Really great video and as usual, backed up with lots of history. Very entertaining! Cannot wait for the next one!
Really appreciate that Liam, thank you ☺️ Stay well.
Thanks Rob absolutely right for a Sunday afternoon so much information well done ❤
Much appreciated Tracy, thank you!
Absolutely flipping brilliant - debunking the fighting navy myth and thoroughly informative & entertaining.
Much appreciated, thank you! 😉
The Dublin Castle certainly has an interesting history.
Danke!
Thank you! Thank you so much…. That means a lot to me 😊 Really appreciate your kind support
Lovely stuff Rob. Always love a pub video.
Bless you Paul, thank you as always 😉
I love all your pub videos Rob… it always makes me want to visit them … even though I don’t drink alcohol! 🤣👍🏻 As usual, your research is excellent and really brings these buildings to life. ♥️
Much appreciated Ladyellice, thank you 😊
Interesting video, I have been to the Worlds End but not the castles but I hope to remedy that one day
A good excuse for a pub crawl Richard ;-)
Well researched; great mix of historical and contemporary content; railway and music history. All very interesting and well photographed and edited. Very well done ! I was only in Camden a couple of times when I lived in London 20 years ago. It looks much more up market than I remember it. More like the Islington that I remember. No bad thing. I stood outside a pub one evening having a pint and Julian from The Mighty Boosh was standing beside me. I was too fan-shy to say hello. The End.
Ha ha! Great comment 😉 Thanks and stay well.
Another great episode Rob and, as others have also commented, very thoroughly researched too. 👍
Much appreciated Roy, thank you!
Super video Rob,a great pub crawl.Would say my favourite would be The Dublin castle due to the band Madness being one of my favourites growing up in the 80s keep up the good work and see you next time 👍👍
Many thanks! Madness are one of my all time favourites too! 😉
Thanks again John in Chicago
Thanks John
Loved this.
Thank you 😉
Great video! 👍
Thank you!
@@Robslondon always! 👍
Cheers from Indiana
Cheers to you too my friend 😉 Thanks for watching
Great vid 👍
Thank you!
As a teenage alcoholic I used to drink in the Windsor Castle all the time. I didnt even like it much.
Very interesting video
Thank you
Very interesting, as always. It's odd that a few pubs should all adopted the phonetic spelling of Edinburgh. Does the actual Edinburgh Castle has some sort of copyright?😉
Good question, ha ha! 😉
Very informative and enjoyable video as usual, Rob.
I do have one quibble though, at 02:50 you said "...the London and Birmingham Railway, the very first inter-city line to have a connection to the capital...".
The problem is that the London and Birmingham Railway was not built (in 1837) as an inter-city line. According to Wikipedia, Birmingham did not become a city until 1889!
I got caught out describing the Liverpool and Manchester Railway (1830) as inter-city but both ends were still very large towns when it was built.
I changed to using "inter-urban" to describe such railways.
Edit: for typo 1899 -> 1889
Ah ok, fair enough. Thanks.
Of course, saying Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester were not cities back then begs the question "When was the first British inter-CITY rail journey possible and between which two stations?".
I expect the answer to the question will lie between 1830 and 1870.
Prior to 1853 the cities were: Bangor (Wales), Bath, Bristol, Canterbury, Carlisle, Chester, Chichester, Coventry, Derry (Ireland), Durham, Edinburgh, Ely, Exeter, Glasgow, Gloucester, Hereford, Lichfield, Lincoln, London, Norwich, Oxford, Peterborough, Rochester, Salisbury, Wells, Westminster, Winchester, Worcester and York.
Manchester became a city on 29th March 1853 and Ripon in 1865.
I have not yet worked it out - maybe someone else could?
@@pras12100 it’s a very good question!
Rob, I especially love your presentations that revolve around London's pubs. I'm hopeful that my next visit to your fair city will offer me the opportunity to explore at leisure many of the locations you've discussed. As always, you research so thoroughly all of your topics and each presentation is a true history lesson. Just for your information, you used two words that were new to me in this video: navi [spelling?], and publicans. While the context for each was somewhat self-explanatory, I was unable to find either term in the Oxford dictionary. Are these then examples of insider-Londoner's slang, or is Oxford merely too high-brow to codify the language that real Englishmen speak?
Bless you Paul, thank you. The word is spelt ‘navvy’ of ‘navvie’ short for navigator. It’s slang, but UK wide as far as I know! Not specific to London
@@Robslondon Rob, I stand corrected. Oxford does have "navvy" listed with the proper definition. I was looking in the wrong place! Thanks again.
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There's Edinboro Pennsylvania founded in 1801. Would that fit? However I don't know why castle would be associated with perhaps the signwriters of the time we're not familiar with the correct spelling or spelt it as it sounds when spoken.
A quick search implies Edinboro is not another name for Edinburgh. Although note the other two Edinboro' castles are spelt clearly with an apostrophe at the end implying missing letters.
In some newspaper articles (reporting auctions and so on) the Edinburgh spelling was used… so who knows?!
I don’t appreciate this erasure of the storied history of Five Guys Castle, Rob.
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Brilliant channel rob
Thank you so much Micheal 🙂