Thank you Larry Hedrick for this installment. From listening to you over many episodes I do believe the mine does exist. Given the number of dutch hunters over the years, I believe it would have been found long ago if that were possible. If the mine was covered up by blasting, it may never be found. Of all the stories of the Superstitions, the Dutchman ones are some of my favorites. Thank you for your continuing excellent work.
Thanks Mr. Hedrick, I can never get enough of your stories about the Dutchman. You are correct. I wasn't aware of all the jewelry made from the Dutchman's Gold. I thought the lighter was the only piece made. Thanks for the new information 🤠👍🐎🏜️
After Charlie's passing I figured the show would follow the way of all shows where the when the founder moves on then the intensity dies. This case the men who filled the void have made the show off the charts. Thank you for the history and the information from all of yours years of work. If you want a story I have spent years wanting details and definitely is a mystery of the superstitious mountainous is what was going on when Charlie was shot at. He talked about in a episode but gave no real details and created Another mystery of the Superstitious mountainous.
So interesting, what a persistent mystery. If you consider the topography and geology of the area and the infinite weather and precipitation cycles over the many decades since Waltz operated the mine, you get a good idea of how impossible it might be to locate. Consider that it may have been a very small opening to begin with and perhaps somewhat expertly hidden by Waltz after his last run out there; in the time elapsed since, Mother Nature has finished the camouflaging process and the earth has settled into such a natural condition that it may just as well have never been opened up in the first place. I'd still give it a try though. Thank you Larry for another beautifully-narrated and intriguing tale.
Good story, thanks Larry. Years ago I saw a pic of a walking stick where the handle was made from a piece of the Dutchman's gold. I don't know if the story was true or not, but it sure looked like the matchbox ore.
It's very possible that he never had a mine at all, but simply discovered an old stash that was hidden by Spanish miners. The Dutchmans gold may have very well been mined in California and hidden in the Superstitions due to Indian attack, loss of mules, etc.
You n' youre crew, extended parties & individuals with the SMM are simply the BEST Mr. Hedrick! LOVE hearing the folklore n' all tha tales surrounding such, no matter is some of 'em are tall-ish tales, as theres always a kernel of truth within all myths, legends & personal accounts.....;)
This leads me to believe that the Dutchman may have found a hidden stash of gold that came from some other geographical location. The Spanish as well as the jesuits were known to have been in that region and perhaps they brought this gold bearing ore with them that they got from another location and hid it in the Superstition Mountains only to be later discovered by Jacob Waltz. The purity of the gold is a dead giveaway that this ore couldn’t possibly be from that geographical location.
The thing I never understood was why Waltz gave all the gold he had to Richard Holmes man he barely knew instead of Julia who spoke his native language, and he knew very well. If I had to guess Holems stole the gold made up the story to cover how he got it. What could Julia say 19th century woman against a man dealing with Government? She wasn't family there was no will. She would need a court likely an attorney.
There was some level of legal proceedings made by Julia that Homes stole the gold but Holmes had a witness in the person off Gideon Roberts. Gideon knew Waltz very well and his property was adjacent to Waltz and Gifiin was as old as Waltz and died a few months later, waltz did know Roberts and the gold was awarded to Roberts.
@@larryhedrick254 HI I want to say thanks for continuing on with the channel. I lived in Phoenix for 40 years never knew much about the Superstition Mountains other than the typical LDM story. I have learned so much from your channel I need to get out to the museum. You said in the start of the video Holmes ended up with 48.5 lbs. of the Waltz's gold, but how much of that was the total. Would be interesting if someone able to find any court orders from a judge how Waltz's estate was settled. Think about it today just that gold alone found under his bed would be worth a fortune if they had just kept it together in the same box. What a museum display that would be today.
@@Mike-01234 The only “mention” of legal action was in a newspaper blurb back in the day and even then one had to read between the lines. The owner of the matchbox, being 95 offered to loan the matchbox for display at the museum. The museum refused to insure the matchbox for the amount that the owner felt it was worth so, it never happened. Even if they had or as you suggest, the entire box of it were on display, a Fort Knox style 24::7 security would have to be paid for. One of the board members has an excellent collection of gold and we could never figure a safe way to have it displayed to the satisfaction of the owner. I even acquired a donation of a walk-in bank vault door but considering the collateral damage that would be done to the museum in even an attempt to steal the collection was to horrendous to think about. The museum sets alone, isolated and vulnerable where no police response would suffice.
Larry is it a possibility that jacob waltz found an access into a lava tube somewhere under the superstition mountains It seems very strange that with today's technical advances it can't be located
Swampy: The government tells us there is an astroid millions of miles from earth that contains gold enough to make millionaires out of every man, women and child on the planet. If the government knows that they know where any gold is in the Superstitions as well. In fact I will go so far as to say this is why they closed the Superstitions to mining claims in the first place.
JohnRyan I assume your referring to the treasure trove permit issued for an excavation over on Rogers Ridge of the Silver Chief mine, I can only ask, where did you hear there was rich ore involved? Or maybe your referring to a pit mine that Jack San Felice found, same question.
Spoiler alert: The mine was found long ago, but there is a financial incentive to keep the myth alive because now the real gold comes out of the wallets of tourists.
☀️ Nature refects the Greatest Creative Designs and Art Pieces, Infinite Intelligence/God/Creator is obviously the greatest Artist, Designer, ... ✨ Just look into a Human Eye, and you can believe in the Source/Creator ... I would, very much, like to purchase a piece of jewelry, piece of decor, or like the matchbox, from ore like these shown are made from.
Thank you Larry Hedrick for this installment. From listening to you over many episodes I do believe the mine does exist. Given the number of dutch hunters over the years, I believe it would have been found long ago if that were possible. If the mine was covered up by blasting, it may never be found. Of all the stories of the Superstitions, the Dutchman ones are some of my favorites. Thank you for your continuing excellent work.
Thank you Larry!
Thanks Mr. Hedrick, I can never get enough of your stories about the Dutchman. You are correct. I wasn't aware of all the jewelry made from the Dutchman's Gold. I thought the lighter was the only piece made. Thanks for the new information 🤠👍🐎🏜️
After Charlie's passing I figured the show would follow the way of all shows where the when the founder moves on then the intensity dies. This case the men who filled the void have made the show off the charts. Thank you for the history and the information from all of yours years of work. If you want a story I have spent years wanting details and definitely is a mystery of the superstitious mountainous is what was going on when Charlie was shot at. He talked about in a episode but gave no real details and created Another mystery of the Superstitious mountainous.
Thank you Larry. I remember this was part of the Jacob Waltz recounting of when he took sick and passed on.
There is indeed gold in "them thar hills".
Enjoyed very much Thank You
Thanks Larry.
I really needed a good story today, this helped me out alot. 👍
I find this story fascinating that nobody has found this mine.
I get gold fever listening to these stories of the Dutchman's Gold.
Enjoying the stories.
You gotta laugh. If anyone really found the Lost Dutchman they'd take sample's to show of that rich ore! 😂
Thank you MR. Hendrick great story
Great stories!
So interesting, what a persistent mystery. If you consider the topography and geology of the area and the infinite weather and precipitation cycles over the many decades since Waltz operated the mine, you get a good idea of how impossible it might be to locate. Consider that it may have been a very small opening to begin with and perhaps somewhat expertly hidden by Waltz after his last run out there; in the time elapsed since, Mother Nature has finished the camouflaging process and the earth has settled into such a natural condition that it may just as well have never been opened up in the first place. I'd still give it a try though. Thank you Larry for another beautifully-narrated and intriguing tale.
I went looking for the Queen of Arizona in the KOFA just to see if I could find it, time erases a lot of evidence.
Very interesting.
Good story, thanks Larry. Years ago I saw a pic of a walking stick where the handle was made from a piece of the Dutchman's gold. I don't know if the story was true or not, but it sure looked like the matchbox ore.
I lived in Apache Junction for a short time and heard a lot of stories about people looking for the mine and never returning. Maybe they got lost.
hard to believe after all these years that old Jake didn't just steal his ore while he was in California
It's very possible that he never had a mine at all, but simply discovered an old stash that was hidden by Spanish miners. The Dutchmans gold may have very well been mined in California and hidden in the Superstitions due to Indian attack, loss of mules, etc.
Love this❤
Love the history of this!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
You n' youre crew, extended parties & individuals with the SMM are simply the BEST Mr. Hedrick!
LOVE hearing the folklore n' all tha tales surrounding such, no matter is some of 'em are tall-ish tales, as theres always a kernel of truth within all myths, legends & personal accounts.....;)
Thanks larry
This leads me to believe that the Dutchman may have found a hidden stash of gold that came from some other geographical location. The Spanish as well as the jesuits were known to have been in that region and perhaps they brought this gold bearing ore with them that they got from another location and hid it in the Superstition Mountains only to be later discovered by Jacob Waltz. The purity of the gold is a dead giveaway that this ore couldn’t possibly be from that geographical location.
My uncle (in law) owns the land that chase field is on. He gets paid for it. He invested in the canal system. Born in 1929, he passed recently.
If someone has found the Dutchman's mine, they most likely are not telling, would you? NOT! 🤐
Maybe someday it will turn up
Fascinating
The thing I never understood was why Waltz gave all the gold he had to Richard Holmes man he barely knew instead of Julia who spoke his native language, and he knew very well. If I had to guess Holems stole the gold made up the story to cover how he got it. What could Julia say 19th century woman against a man dealing with Government? She wasn't family there was no will. She would need a court likely an attorney.
There was some level of legal proceedings made by Julia that Homes stole the gold but Holmes had a witness in the person off Gideon Roberts. Gideon knew Waltz very well and his property was adjacent to Waltz and Gifiin was as old as Waltz and died a few months later, waltz did know Roberts and the gold was awarded to Roberts.
@@larryhedrick254 HI I want to say thanks for continuing on with the channel. I lived in Phoenix for 40 years never knew much about the Superstition Mountains other than the typical LDM story. I have learned so much from your channel I need to get out to the museum. You said in the start of the video Holmes ended up with 48.5 lbs. of the Waltz's gold, but how much of that was the total. Would be interesting if someone able to find any court orders from a judge how Waltz's estate was settled. Think about it today just that gold alone found under his bed would be worth a fortune if they had just kept it together in the same box. What a museum display that would be today.
@@Mike-01234
The only “mention” of legal action was in a newspaper blurb back in the day and even then one had to read between the lines.
The owner of the matchbox, being 95 offered to loan the matchbox for display at the museum. The museum refused to insure the matchbox for the amount that the owner felt it was worth so, it never happened. Even if they had or as you suggest, the entire box of it were on display, a Fort Knox style 24::7 security would have to be paid for.
One of the board members has an excellent collection of gold and we could never figure a safe way to have it displayed to the satisfaction of the owner. I even acquired a donation of a walk-in bank vault door but considering the collateral damage that would be done to the museum in even an attempt to steal the collection was to horrendous to think about.
The museum sets alone, isolated and vulnerable where no police response would suffice.
Larry is it a possibility that jacob waltz found an access into a lava tube somewhere under the superstition mountains
It seems very strange that with today's technical advances it can't be located
Swampy:
The government tells us there is an astroid millions of miles from earth that contains gold enough to make millionaires out of every man, women and child on the planet.
If the government knows that they know where any gold is in the Superstitions as well. In fact I will go so far as to say this is why they closed the Superstitions to mining claims in the first place.
My uncle played for the nfl. ‘The Flying Dutchman’ norm Van Brocklin
i want to find the dutchmans gold with one of those gold detectors
I dont think we will ever find out the story of the Dutchman's gold.
The indians covered the mine. It is located high up in a very rough place
As good a guess as any I suppose.
i wish you guys could of waited just a little longer. Mr clay worst i hope to find some help at the dutchhunters on Oct 4,5.6
Might you consider doing a video on the people who in the 90s? Took rich ore from what might be "The Pit Mine" ?
JohnRyan
I assume your referring to the treasure trove permit issued for an excavation over on Rogers Ridge of the Silver Chief mine, I can only ask, where did you hear there was rich ore involved?
Or maybe your referring to a pit mine that Jack San Felice found, same question.
I've already proved some things and gained enough interest - www.youtube.com/@TheApacheTreasure
Spoiler alert:
The mine was found long ago, but there is a financial incentive to keep the myth alive because now the real gold comes out of the wallets of tourists.
48,5 lbs Wow
The captioning is funny it's so bad
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I would, very much, like to purchase a piece of jewelry, piece of decor, or like the matchbox, from ore like these shown are made from.