Very cool process. The silicone does not look like it was affected by the resin contact at all. Not having to use release film or tapes or peel ply definately will help reduce costs. Well done.
I worked in composite fiberglass for a few years. This is the exact same process we used to make Wind Blades for wind farms, save for the more efficient silicone bag you guys have. That would have made things so much simpler, and probably prevented a ton of manufacturer defects.
Indeed, in this situation a smooth finish was first and foremost. Saturation of the fibers is crucial to creating strength and on some cases, an overpressure due to having your resin supply higher than the tool can be problematic. There are some new fiber fabrics we have been looking at that seem to reduce this risk, but you are absolutely right in stating that the height of the resin container can have a great deal to do with the saturation rate of the fibers.
Dry carbon refers to using prepreg material that already has resin infused in the material. Prepreg is lighter than VRI/RTM (resin transfer mold) but generally requires a autoclave to produce parts unless the prepreg is OoA (out of autoclave) prepreg which still requires a oven.
Hey Smooth-On people, this video omits a crucial step where you added strips of surface veil bridging the chopped strand mat to the internal and main vacuum channels. Being new to this technique, I was completely confused how the bag would manage to pull any suction whatsoever on the mold cavity & resin feed. I ended up watching both videos three times trying to figure out what I was missing. I didn't figure it out until I watched the wind-blade infusion video that did include the step. Could you possibly add a quick little annotation to this video mentioning that step and its importance? I would suggest at 3:45, where the surface veil strips can be clearly seen as having been added.
@90Dajew In some cases it is not possible to spray due to space constraints, or lack of a machine. Spraying can be faster and produce a more even result in some cases.
great video, will try to make a silicone bag as well for my prototyping projects, can someone explain me why you dont have to use infusion mesh anymore? Is it possible to make a siliconebag with a brush instead of a spraygun?
that is a really simple system. is there anything you need to add between the mold and the silicon to stick them together or do they just seal up from the vacuum?
Im concerned with the fact that the resin bucket is placed higher than the part to be infused. This will create an overpressure and oversaturate the fibers. Is this something to do with a flaw in the bagging system? Or are the builders just looking for a smooth finish and not worrying about fiber content etc...
Prepare the Tool 2 coats of paste wax are applied to the tool. Allow to dry at room temperature. Wax is buffed to a glossy finish. 2 coats of PVA are applied to the tool. Allow to dry at room temperature Can you reccomend me wich PVA solution can I use? Thanks Mendy
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Interesting process. But I have to say that those white fibers left on fiberglass seems to be a not perfect wet lamination. When you normally wet fiberglass it disappears. Any answer? Thank you
That is the B side of the cast part. The part was made using a particular reinforcement that is composed of both glass fiber and breather cloth, which gets completely compressed and evenly saturated with the resin delivered via infusion under vacuum. The fibers are visible through the cured resin; not left on the surface.
you know i can get 5 rolls of bagging film for the cost of your silicone one. ill still have bags when that thing is long been destroyed. leave it to smooth on sucker born every day try a real resin company like fiberglass Hawaii or ranker not this repacked crap 200 bucks for polyester resin i get a 55 gallon barrel for 500 iso. 600 for surfboard. 1200 for epoxy clear for carbon. shop around people don't let scammers like this rob you
It depends on the type of resin used. Some resins are extremely chemically abrasive, but a platinum silicone bag offers superior resistance to these types of resins.
Hand layup is not ideal for structurally critical pieces to get the optimal tension and compression strength. The vacuum infusion process allows you to get the ideal ratio of resin to fiber reinforcement, without the labor intensive process of rolling off excess resin. Also, when done properly, vacuum infusion has the benefit of practically eliminating the risk of hidden voids caused by some misbehaving unsaturated portion of chopped strand.
Can vacuum resin infusion be done on a silicone mold? I really want to start vacuum bagging some props I make, but I'm a little worried about distortion. A hard mold for this particular prop is not possible. Maybe if I try it, I will just make my mold from a stiffer silicone. What are your thoughts?
Distortion is definitely a concern. I would recommend submitted a support ticket on www.smooth-on.com That way we can route your ticket to a vacuum bagging specialist.
Very cool process. The silicone does not look like it was affected by the resin contact at all.
Not having to use release film or tapes or peel ply definately will help reduce costs.
Well done.
I worked in composite fiberglass for a few years. This is the exact same process we used to make Wind Blades for wind farms, save for the more efficient silicone bag you guys have. That would have made things so much simpler, and probably prevented a ton of manufacturer defects.
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Indeed, in this situation a smooth finish was first and foremost. Saturation of the fibers is crucial to creating strength and on some cases, an overpressure due to having your resin supply higher than the tool can be problematic. There are some new fiber fabrics we have been looking at that seem to reduce this risk, but you are absolutely right in stating that the height of the resin container can have a great deal to do with the saturation rate of the fibers.
Dry carbon refers to using prepreg material that already has resin infused in the material. Prepreg is lighter than VRI/RTM (resin transfer mold) but generally requires a autoclave to produce parts unless the prepreg is OoA (out of autoclave) prepreg which still requires a oven.
Interesting...seeing the process all laid out really helps visualize it!
Hey Smooth-On people, this video omits a crucial step where you added strips of surface veil bridging the chopped strand mat to the internal and main vacuum channels. Being new to this technique, I was completely confused how the bag would manage to pull any suction whatsoever on the mold cavity & resin feed. I ended up watching both videos three times trying to figure out what I was missing. I didn't figure it out until I watched the wind-blade infusion video that did include the step.
Could you possibly add a quick little annotation to this video mentioning that step and its importance? I would suggest at 3:45, where the surface veil strips can be clearly seen as having been added.
This is great! Taking a complex project and showing how to achieve it! Thanks for this
@90Dajew In some cases it is not possible to spray due to space constraints, or lack of a machine. Spraying can be faster and produce a more even result in some cases.
A respirator would be recommended when working with any epoxy resin in that application. The MSDS sheet - available on our website - has more info.
great video, will try to make a silicone bag as well for my prototyping projects, can someone explain me why you dont have to use infusion mesh anymore? Is it possible to make a siliconebag with a brush instead of a spraygun?
that is a really simple system. is there anything you need to add between the mold and the silicon to stick them together or do they just seal up from the vacuum?
Que tipo de silicón utiliza
www.smooth-on.com/products/ez-spray-silicone-20/
I love the silicon bag. I need this!
How many times can that bag be reused assuming no handling damage?
how long did the cure take?
I'm considering this for making some fenders in both fiberglass and carbon fiber. It seems like this method would produce the most repeatable results.
Im concerned with the fact that the resin bucket is placed higher than the part to be infused. This will create an overpressure and oversaturate the fibers. Is this something to do with a flaw in the bagging system? Or are the builders just looking for a smooth finish and not worrying about fiber content etc...
Prepare the Tool
2 coats of paste wax are applied to the tool. Allow to dry at room temperature. Wax is buffed to a glossy finish. 2 coats of PVA are applied to the tool. Allow to dry at room temperature
Can you reccomend me wich PVA solution can I use?
Thanks Mendy
The PVA Smooth-On manufacturers is sold under the name Ease Release 2125
How this mold is made?
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Great video, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Is EpoxAmite 101 toxic? Let's say I was painting it on to something with a paint brush, is a respirator needed?
Interesting process. But I have to say that those white fibers left on fiberglass seems to be a not perfect wet lamination.
When you normally wet fiberglass it disappears.
Any answer?
Thank you
Epoxy resin will not break down fiberglass the way a polyester or vinylester will.
@@smoothon Agree but it doesn't answer my question.
That is the B side of the cast part.
The part was made using a particular reinforcement that is composed of both glass fiber and breather cloth, which gets completely compressed and evenly saturated with the resin delivered via infusion under vacuum. The fibers are visible through the cured resin; not left on the surface.
@@smoothon Thank you
Hi, Whats the Vacuum pump capacity - in m3/hr rate used for this?
When you use this method (vacuum Resin infusion), then do the overbake to carbon fiber, can I name it "dry carbon"?
How many ounces was that chopped strand mat used for the seat?
+MegaherzZwei This was a Chomarat infusion media with chop strand / breather combo. More info can be found at www.chomarat.com/en/
where can I get a mold and for a composite bucket seat like that one?
Erik Lopez Out of your own two hands.
Chopped strand mat is not usually used with epoxy resin. Why is this different ?
Andrzei Czajkowski it is it is used it's sewn together instead of glued because the binder is incompatible
jason mooney Hahahahaha. Rubbish. Stick to giving advice on things you know about Jason. Like Xbox probably.
you know i can get 5 rolls of bagging film for the cost of your silicone one. ill still have bags when that thing is long been destroyed. leave it to smooth on sucker born every day try a real resin company like fiberglass Hawaii or ranker not this repacked crap 200 bucks for polyester resin i get a 55 gallon barrel for 500 iso. 600 for surfboard. 1200 for epoxy clear for carbon. shop around people don't let scammers like this rob you
How to make silicon bag?
Any link?
Can you send us a tech ticket? Our team can help you - www.smooth-on.com/support/ticket/add/agree/
Simply AMAZING!
Whats the point of having a high quality inside finish, the bit you are never going to see...?
5:10: Ford RS200?
How many times we can use vacuum silicone bag?
It depends on the type of resin used. Some resins are extremely chemically abrasive, but a platinum silicone bag offers superior resistance to these types of resins.
3 days
What is the expected life span of the bag?
This would depend on the resin being cast. Epoxies are more aggressive than urethane resins.
@@smoothon can it be used with urathane resin?
Is the resin pre heated ?
+MrZeddy100 no
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I wonder how well something like this would hold up in an enclave
Silicone bags are frequently used with ovens. They hold up just perfectly up to 500F.
What is lifespan of the bag? 10 or 100 cycles?
+Michał Michał it would depend on the formulation and speed of the resin
Do you have an agent in Taiwan?請問在台灣你們有代理商嗎？
I think this process unnecessary because of glass chopped strand mat, hand lay up enough for this materials.
Hand layup is not ideal for structurally critical pieces to get the optimal tension and compression strength. The vacuum infusion process allows you to get the ideal ratio of resin to fiber reinforcement, without the labor intensive process of rolling off excess resin. Also, when done properly, vacuum infusion has the benefit of practically eliminating the risk of hidden voids caused by some misbehaving unsaturated portion of chopped strand.
thanks for educating me!
also for people like me making parts in their garage the infusion process eliminates most of smell unlike hand layup.
Can vacuum resin infusion be done on a silicone mold? I really want to start vacuum bagging some props I make, but I'm a little worried about distortion. A hard mold for this particular prop is not possible. Maybe if I try it, I will just make my mold from a stiffer silicone. What are your thoughts?
Distortion is definitely a concern. I would recommend submitted a support ticket on www.smooth-on.com That way we can route your ticket to a vacuum bagging specialist.
And you spend the other half of time saved making the bag!
it's reusable. so the time used making the bag only happens once.
seat doesn't seem like it would be too strong... maybe they threw another layer or two of fabric on there before they bagged it.
Hi, wondrous, your work is possible to learn like you
Excellent!
Glad you liked it!
nice the tools and method
Thanks for watching!
no comment on this Smoothon?
What's pva!!!????
polyvinilic alcohol
Polyvinyl Alcohol, a water soluble release agent.
very nice
thats impressive
That's cool!
nice job good tech, big up
and cheaper heavier products
N. Oldu
Нахуя снимать видео об укладки в матрицу, покажите как вы ее слепили
Wich brand of Seat is this?
請問在台灣你們有代理商嗎？ Do you have an agent in Taiwan?
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