Board Games Or Bored Games? | Dragons' Den
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Richard McLuckie and Stuart McKenzie-Walker are pitching 'Pants on Fire Games' - a range of original board games and trivia games that are already stocked in an impressive array of retailers including WHSmith, Hamleys, Amazon, and Waterstones. The inventing duo are seeking an investment of £50,000 in return for a 10% equity stake, Peter Jones has previous success in the board games industry, so does he something in these two?
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Duncan doesn't just roll his eyes, he rolls his entire body.
And he rolled a double 6 too! :)
This made me laugh out loud
Peter and Duncan are hands down the best friend/rival duel the series had.
Then it was Theo and Peter and now it's Deborah and Peter 😁
The business failed
Dec and Ant!!
*I'll just leave this comment here to see if anybody get it.... :)
Creatip I get it
SPECIAL K explain it then
I badly miss Duncan in this show
He's over there dude...look closely
@@ibrahimbinkasim7419 😂
He is out there in Miami having fun with his third wife and his toy dog !
I like Duncan.He used to sell us ice cream from his rickety old van when we were kids in the 70s.
I want Duncan's uncut D!!
This is why I like Duncan. He shows that investing is all about taking risks. Entrepreneurs need people like him on the show. So replacing him with Jenny is like replacing banks with charity shops
Exactly, and to be fair, some other company went bankrupt, not them, it happens. I think they will do well
Investing is also about making SMART investments, not just investing in risky businesses on an uneducated whim because it sounds kinda maybe like it might be ok.
These ppl arent multimillionaires for no reason.
Also the deals on the show dont ever happen until its throughly inestigated/scrutinized ahead of any signature on a contract.
@@jackjackthompson5771 They haven't posted on their Twitter or Facebook since 2015, and their website no longer works.... Don't think they did that well
And therefore I'm out.
JackJack Thompson You think wrong,they went nowhere,very few companies that appear on dragons den do well,with a handful of exceptions
Duncan and Peter paid $25,000 each to get drunk with each other on weekends and brainstorm boardgame ideas.
😂 that’s probably bang on
Basically, basically :p
Touker wasn't in this episode... He was busy in his office space in London.
lol lol oh my god, I am crying laughing, comment of the year, classic ,oh my god that was unbelievably funny....
he was not there because he knew someone with a board game was coming and he didn't want to lose his shirt.
Central London looool
Yes that's right. He was madly spending his children's inheritance.
Speaking to his good friend at marks and Spencer’s
4:30 Duncan's eyes rolling into outer space
😄😳
😂
I need that as a meme
The irony of Kellie finding it boring when she's the most boring dragon the show has ever had.
Well, there's hardly anything more boring than a person who's constantly bored
Sedatus exactly, it’s not irony, it’s perfectly straight forward
Her and Piers tie as being the most boring Dragons. It's particularly painful because they replaced Theo Paphitis, who is always entertaining.
I watched a few of the Ireland episodes and then you see what boring really means.
Amazing hair tho
He interrupted peters question to say theyre taking questions 😂😂😂
Anderson Aldo wow you’re very observant
@@george_3264 As are you for the observation on my comment
@@andersonaldo1340 As are you for observing his observation about how observant you were.
@@Bollibompa As are you for observing Anderson's observation about George being observant on his original comment.
@@southpaw9041 I never noticed that. How observant you are.
"What are my pants doing up there?" - What a legend.
peter wears green undies
In no universe is Peter Jones a legend.
@@ronnieballs8145 disagree lol
Imagine simping for a billionaire.@@Ilovepieandchips
Seeing how relieved & happy these guys are, at the end, & then finding out they completely failed, is awful.
The games looked rubbish.
@@ihatesasquatch because it's edited down, I feel like I didn't get a good idea of what the games were.
@@msstarlight4770 Yea, I sort of admired their calm and quirky development.
Meh, doesn't always work out. Niche is like that
@@netweed09 Yes, you're right.
@@msstarlight4770 These pitches normally last more than an hour, so I've read, and we only see a small portion of that
I wonder what we don't get to see
Peter = concrete
Duncan = Gravel
Both required to fill in the company's big financial hole.
Lol Duncan is substantially richer than peter
@@jriver3145 and
@@jriver3145 What really?
@@jriver3145 peters net worth is 3x Duncan’s now lol
they should have just sold their games to the major board games distributor instead of making their own company.
That depends on your point of view. By selling games to the distributor, they'd run a lot less risk, but would have a much lower income ceiling. By opening their own enterprise, they are shooting for higher gains.
@dreadheadmarlee25 Reminds me of a bankrupt man sitting in debter's prison after going to a casino and losing his money on blackjack, belching out comments to his cell mate: "I had the balls to go after my dreams, let me tell YOU!!"
LOL
Those companies can easily make up these games and launch them on their own, but they wont because board games is dead and ppl only buy the classics in large numbers. As a kid i remember seeing a lot of ads promoting board games on tv. Now i ask yall do you remember the last time you saw an ad for a new board game? I know that in my case it was many years ago, maybe som lotr monopoly spinoff.
yeah, and lets keep selling everything up to disney too.
@@lmaozedong2259 they should try mainland europe, board games are big business - esp germany, holland, belgium, france
I thought Duncan was joking when he said he'd make an offer after saying they needed his sense of humor lmao
Pants on Fire Games Ltd have been registered as non trading for a couple of years, unfortunately.
Thank u Richard re update
Sad and disappointing - was hoping they succeed
Yeah, they still in the negative, sadly. Around 47K in debt...
The investment never went through
@@ZyNeEnZyNe Most propbably right. This is the case with more than half of the deals. On the show, they make the deal but when digging into the detail afterwards, they more often than not don't go through with the deal.
@@nadeemafzal8984 these games are boring as hell mate
"So in..."
"SO YES. YOUR QUESTIONS PLEASE"
🤨
hahaha that part has me dead
Lol, it's actually funnier when it's typed out like this. It literally happened, hahaha
"You're like vinyl records"? Ouch.
Oddly enough HMV exists again only because a Canadian music retailer bought them -- who's ongoing success is largely due to them specializing in... vinyl.
Yeah talk about aging poorly lol. Vinyl is still (re)growing every year with a strong and dedicated community and culture around it. For the most part it's basically the only physical media anyone buys anymore.
Just one of many occasions that have shown that the Dragons have no idea what the future might hold and really they mostly just got lucky on their way to making millions
@@SuperNuclearUnicorn the dragons are all over 50. What was revolutionary in their day is dmoutdated today.
I never liked him. Think's he's the bollox and so condescending but he's basically a Jenny. Never invests. And now, he's out lol
‘Quirky questions’
“What are my pants doing up there” 😂😂😂
For those that are interested. I did the research they had assets of 43k in 2018 with debt of 7k. As of 2017 Duncan still owned shares in the company. As did a finance company called Alta Capital. I'm unsure if this company is affiliated with Peter Jones. Whereas Byannatyne Media was fairly obvious to make the connection.
Their social media had been defunct since 2015 so I think it's fair to say although they didn't make any money they at least nearly got out the red.
This makes me appreciate brydon, mitchell and mack even more for making "would I lie to you?" an award winning show year after year.
Not many people know this but it was actually John Bottomley who created 'would i lie to you'.
@@Logicsupersedes lie
Oh look Kelly "no money," Hoppen is out again. People hate on Jenny but I don't think I've ever seen Kelly make an offer. Her typical response: "You know I love this, it's made in the UK its making money but for those reasons I'm out."
The prototype Jenny.
I’ve followed this show from season 1. I think Doug Richards was the worse by far.
And it’s joint second with Kelly and Jenny.
@@hotrodd29
I'm glad you mentioned Doug Richards. Getting money out of him was like drawing blood from a stone. And on the very rare occasion he did invest it was always a split investment.
Bobo buddies toys
An investment from her? That's never gonna hoppen.
I'll get my coat. Again.
“Im sorry we cant go to 40%”
....
“Peter, Duncan we’d like to accept your offer!”
its called bluffing dik-'ed
"It's impossible, we can't accept that."
*5 seconds later*
"Alright then, we accept that."
Have you noticed how sometimes the entrepreneurs say they can’t accept it so the Dragons say ok I’m out. This wasn’t that circumstance because peter and Duncan knew the entrepreneurs would accept it. Hence - double bluff
@@danielpedic154 Yeah, its the whole tone also, no?
Yes, but they managed to negotiate reducing it to 30% once the investors get their money back.
Agrees Deal. "So do you two work well together?"
"NO."
"Oh..."
That was pretty good,I enjoyed that.I think they will do well.Even though they were in debt they were calm,cool and collected and had a nice sense of humour.
The problem with question based games is the questions can go out of date and once you've played the game enough times, you know all the answers
That's why Monopoly works. It's timeless, games last a while, and there is replayability
Like the film “trading places” two rich guys playing with poor people for a laugh basically. ........lol.
Was wondering why Kelly and piers are in the show ..
Love the way Duncan rolls his eyes and his head when peter mentions his failed board game 😃
Bring Duncan back best dragon ever !!
I was wondering the same..
We'd like to accept your offer but we would want an extra £200 for passing GO.
I love the way Piers says Switzerland like he's laying down a royal flush with Duncan Disorderly's entire life bet on it. Piers, you are all over that shiznit, bro 😎
I think he was trying to answer without sounding condescending 🤭
The fake elevator gets me every time.
It's not fake
@@CabbageYe Yes it is, LMAO
@@Eidolon1andOnly You can clearly see it's functional. Look at the floor numbers
@@CabbageYe LMAO, that doesn't mean anything. Look at the floor when the doors open. There's no big enough gap between the floor from the hall way to the "elevator". That would mean that elevator is so tightly snug in its shaft it would be dangerous to operate. Here's more proof:
“There’s no stopping for re-recording - in that sense its very honest,” Miles noted. “The Dragons don’t even know the name of the business - for them it’s totally blind. Only after your stall is revealed and you walk through the doors are they aware of who you are. The only thing that is *fake* is the *lift.”*
Source:
businessadvice.co.uk/from-the-top/quiet-rebellion-reveal-the-off-camera-secrets-from-inside-dragons-den/
Here's another example:
"But what freaked Will out the most was that… the *lift is fake!!!"*
Source:
lookaftermybills.com/blog/dragons-den-backstage-experience/
@@Eidolon1andOnly Well, you make a convincing story, so I guess I'll have to believe you for now.
Duncan: I'll give you half the money for 15%.
Peter: I'll see your 15% and raise you 20%.
duncan always trys to help people, good on you duncan
Duncan: I'll give you half the money for 15%.
Peter: Snap.
PJ: “Duncs!”
🙂
This comment is funny because of Dec and Ant (PJ and Duncan AKA)...
@@creatip123 no
@@creatip123 no
Never seen anyone so happy after signing away 40% of their company.
60% of something is better than 0% of nothing
Lmao after the final offer from Duncan and Peter they walked back and all you hear is
Short dude: No no..We can't..no no
Tall dude: What else can we do..We need the money
Short dude: okay
They got an amazing offer there. The two best Dragons too.
These guys are such characters. If anyone could make their kind of business work, with the backing of the dragons, it’s them.
I take back my previous comments....
Not mentioned in this episode, is that at the time they have a contract signed with Unilever for the production and distribution of 3 games.
Company filed dormant accounts in 2019 after large negative equity in 2018.
The deal never went through with the dragons they never invested.
Untrue.
11:11 "My wallet says nooo..."
12:06 these guys be like, yaay we're out of debt now!
Thank goodness they accepted!! It is literally risk free for them. Give away 40% and have a chance of success. If it works you get your 10% back, if it fails you gave away 40% of nothing anyway. It seems almost nobody thinks this way when pitching, and I do wonder if Dragon's Den edits in a way that they never show this line of thought during the pitch.
I'm fairly sure the dragons lost out on money, board games are trash to invest in at the end of the day, your market Is tight and a lot of investors don't consider that. That money is for definite, not gonna be used towards capital and such aswell lol
It's not a huge loss for Duncan and Peter really, but money is money and that could of financed for their labour salary
@@__phoenixyz Yeah I agree, I was saying it's risk free for the pitchers to take the deal. It's a crappy deal for the dragons.
@@jakecooper5855 they basically got their debts paid off by probably sacrificing the business. But idk if the deal actually happened since the majority of deals which occur on the show don't genuinely happen or get cancelled after
Honestly these two seem like some of the most honest and relatable entrepreneurs on this show... Honest, straight to the point answers, not getting overly defensive at all, very respectful towards the dragons. Would have invested in them just for that.
They strike me as fun loving more than honest.
Then you would have lost your pants on this deal just like Peter and Duncan did.
@@remchaill9898 Did Peter and Duncan go ahead with the investment and lose their money?
@@lizclegg7556 Yes. It's public information on the UK companies website. They are both still 20% shareholders in a company designated as "dormant", with no liquid assets, that hasn't traded since 2015.
Are you serious, they seem super shady and the business is dormant now so...
Well, vinyl records have come back, so have board games!
@@shabath i also want to add that markets growing can be a double edged sword. it means you get more buyers BUT you also have to compete with sooo many other games out there. So in a way its good for business but it also means you have to do more to keep standing out and that's something a business person needs to study in the market they want to get into. so those hobbiest exist but a good product can still fail if no one is able to find it in a list of 100+ new products that want to be made. Or the product is great and the PR sucks, stuff like that matters.
That was some good piece of negotiations from the guys, nicely done.
You can tell this was filmed a whole ago. Board games are bigger than ever now.
and vinyl records.
Useless bastards.
Nice Avatar fren
Truth, I go to board game cafes regularly and they are always packed even on a Monday night
Especially in mainland europe, they never went away
@@Alec_Reaper thanks fren
I like the them, they are happy dudes even though they are heavily in debt with a struggling business.... I'd never invest in them though, not even if they were friends or family.
:p
Pierces smile when hes like "hey wait a second, Novia Scotia isn't in Europe"
The market is so saturated with new board games right now.
Ah, yes... The European country of Nova Scotia...
Bahahahaha
LOL
Not... Nova Scotia is a province in Canada
@@birdie2010 🤦🏻♀️
@@birdie2010 I said that
Duncan makes the show.
Always scrolling down for the future updates 😊
Duncan is literally a legend on this show! I like these two guys just seen nice people. they just wanna start a little business. I hope their still going or doing well for themselves
Grey hair dude reminds me of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons😂
Boardgames in the last couple of years have had a huge resurgence but it's been through crowdfunded stuff
Actually, board games and other tabletop games are making a comeback.
The key thing for game companies is that you have to keep coming out with new games, or supplements for your existing games. You have to keep coming up with new revenue streams, but ways to monetize. Because unless you have something that's brilliant like Monopoly, that has a high annual turnover and long staying power, each game will run its course eventually.
Just because people are still playing them, doesn't make it necessarily a good business. They're not making much of a comeback, anyway.
@@remchaill9898 actually, they are.
There are companies doing quite well.
1:24
The thumbnail for this video. You’re welcome haha 😆
they were both likeable/genuine, glad they got the investment
0:34 kelly's trying her best to maintain composure
4:31 ..what a mood.😂😂
Ducan is literaly in becase he got bored and needed some risk LOL
Debra looks beautiful. And Duncan looks really great as well.
Where's Bored James when we need him 😂
2:14 Wait. Why are they dancing. It's adorable. It's literally adorable. But why are they dancing.
Good deal! (and funny as always) I'd love to see the outcome...!
But board games got massive. They run board game nights in pubs now. Don't know how many units are sold though.
Peter = concrete
Duncan = Gravel
Both required to fill in the company's big financial hole.
Pants on Fire Games Ltd have been registered as non trading for a couple of years, unfortunately.
‘Quirky questions’
"They're not mean at all..." - they obviously haven't seen Dragon's Den Canada with Kevin O'Leary 😂
For people that don't like each other Duncan and Peter do seem to respect each other a lot
8:40 Lolllll :)))) Duncan do you accept %20 please rather than %15..
"That was way more than we wanted!"
Good result .
Clealry very bright guys and some times great to take a step back in time.
Being Canadian, I can only chuckle at no one else pointing out that no one knew Nova Scotia is a province in Canada, not a country. 😅
Derek Privitera Scottish person here (appropriate, non?) and I knew that 😏
Yes its not a country, THATS THE POINT. Did you not hear them explain how the game works? Duncan was supposed to say two options, one of them being a lie and the other being the correct answer. The 'Nova Scotia' option was the lie.
@@FriendlyNeighbourhoodSpidey he could have said a different country... the game didn't say "name a province and pretend it's a country", damn lol, it was just a comment, did we watch a different clip?
I thought it was a small country Hahaha
@@stevenreed8854 hahaha naw, just a small province on the east coast of Canada
Double Bluff - Good one, Peter!
Totally fun entrepreuners. The lesson in all this is to have fun, enjoy a side hustle, if you're going to go do it. I would like to play Liar Liar... sounds like fun. :-)
Frankly, it sounds like a worse Balderdash, because you're constrained by your answer needing to sound reasonable next to a real answer. That being said, I find trivia games in general are pretty crap, because once you know the answer that's it, replay value's gone.
I love the host's jokes and intended puns LOL!
Duncan is a lovely guy
They both resigned in 2013 and the company is now dormant for anyone wondering
Seems like most of the time the ones they invest in are trash and they ones they don't end up getting sold for millions
And then Deborah said, "Knickers! I'm out!"😁!!
Oh how wrong was Piers Linley about vinyl records! Today after downloads they are the leading seller format. Massive amounts are sold every week nowadays.
Duncan... Heart of Gold
my dream team:
Duncan
Touker
Jenny
Richard
Peter
We are "pants on fire" games ltd. LMAO when they said that. Not to mention the giant Y fronts on display.
Duncan really enjoyed that joke.
Man, Duncan's eyes HAHA. My god. Top 10 anime rivalries
Art, Board Games Music and Gigs
Something they never invest in..
Till now
4:32 😂😂😂😂😂 Duncan "Anybody can do et" Bannatyne.
I want to know what he was thinking.
Vinyl is actually doing really really well now
Everybody makes fun of Jenny for constantly being OUT despite investing a few times... but I've never seen Kelly Hoppen invest in anything once.
We need the board games now that we have a pandemic. Stay well everyone.
@@johns1187 Yeah its easy to social distance from your family that lives with you. I guess..
Brilliant guys, hope they do well
One day there will be a rise in Board Games just how Vinyl Records peaked in sales recently but even that wasn't a huge increase in money coming in. It's just how these trends work nowadays
Rob The Squire tabletop is an 8bn dollar industry growing at 15% per year. 69% of all money raised through Kickstarter historically (165million usd in 2018) went to tabletop games.
10:52 - so the heart then?
Wait, HMV are out of business? When did this happen?
It's happened a few times. I think it happened again in 2018 or 2019. Think they went into administration and were bought by Sunrise.
@@DaviesD85 Ohh. Thanks for telling me :)
Can't believe this got an investment especially in this day and age.
I always liked how they got a little shaven cross eyed chimp in a suit to present & narrate this show.
Kelly was actually worse than Jenny
Need more episodes from this season
My god in the first one Duncan may aswell have said I'll pay off the debt for the whole company 😳