Every Country Writes Numbers Slightly Differently
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Celsius is also paired with Kelvin, this makes conversions easier.
Okay and Fahrenheit is paired with Rankine lol
@@alexsloan4976 Celsius is superior.
I literally live in the US and i've never heard of Rankine
@VedaGamer20 I thought centigrade was Celsius
@@soIzec I recently discovered rankine and went down a rabbit hole of temperature scales. There is actually a lot of different ones but most are rarely used.
The chinese system makes sense as they have a word for ten thousand, so they distribute by groups of 4.
The more infuriating is that koreans also talk by groups of four zeros but still write numbers distributed in groups of 3.
actually i'm chinese and i have never seen anyone write 4 numbers at a time, people usually just write numbers together or in 3s sometimes because of western influence
i think it might be a thing though (maybe officially?)
the same with pakistanis. They use and speak the Indian system but write the American one
@@polen2077 maybe because you're an overseas chinese? Because I'm a Chinese diaspora living in Malaysia and I have never seen that before as well.
@@booaks2980 yeah TH-cam is unavailable to people in mainland China 🤷🏻
As a Canadian, I have a story. When we were in Primary School, we were taught using 1,000,000.00 but then the teachers would check their book or whatever and just tack on "You're supposed to use spaces, just so you know." They didn't really teach us to use spaces but I guess we know it's an option.
Yeah i had basically the same experience in Australia
Bruh
I also live in Canada and I’ve been taught since primary school to write it like this: 1 000 000,00
I live in Québec and have gone to French schools so that’s probably why
I learned "1 000 000.00" in primary school but outside of school people said "WTF is that" so I started writing "1,000,000.00" even though I still find "1 000 000.00" to be a more intuitive system.
Fun Fact: Brazil didn't have pigeons, the Brazilians of the time thought that France looked cool and tried to be like them, they infested the country with pigeons because of that.
Pigeons only really live in cities in Brazil, the country isn't infested with them, they didn't adapt well to the natural areas.
oui oui i like long bread
Eat the pigeons
@@GPickle32 In Brazil pigeon is seen as a disgusting animal full of diseases. People don't even know that you eat this in other countries
@@Caio-fi7sd i dont think anyone eats them, it was just a joke lol
The reason why India uses its number system different to the west is due to its numbering system in the language there. As in european languages, numbers have a "name change" per every factor of 1000 (e.g. thousands, millions, billions, etc...)
whereas in languages (such as hindi) in india after one-thousand, they change by 100
(so the next number after hazar(one-thousand),
the next number would be lakh(100-thousond),
and the next one after that would be 100 times larger than that which would be a crore(10 million)
and then an arab(1 billion)
and it will carry on.
so one million in Hindi would end up being das lakh (or 10 lakh which is the same as saying 10 hundred-thousonds). Its why if anyone ever watches indian english news youd notice theyd sometimes uses lakh and crore for numbering system there because that is how they think.
India system makes sense for Indians speaking in an indian language, im guessing chinese have a weird system as they may have their own way for their numbers to work in their language which makes sense for native Chinese in china
Exactly. This guy doesn't even stop to think there could be a reason behind this.
@@sonuchauhan-ne3cj I mean unless you're indian or have a hobby in linguistics, most people assume wouldn't bother thinking beyond and assume thr rules apply for all languages (like how English no longer have a formal and informal word for you but a lot of language still do)
Koreans count in myriads (10 000), but they still know how to write numbers correctly (for the most part).
Yep, figured it was something like that...
There's a lot of weird systems like that out there, even in the west.
Look up danish numbers for instance search for the video "58 and other Confusing Numbers - Numberphile".
It's a bit weird to see a inconsistent system like that though when you're used to a consistent one.
Like, groups of 4 numbers can make sense, groups of 3 can make sense, groups of 2 can make sense.
But when you start mixing them...
That only makes sense if there's a linguistic reason for it all...
tldr please
Fun Fact: While the order of Given Name - Family Name is the official one and the one most germans use in conversations and every day life, there are areas in Germany where you use the other way around in colloquial language
Japanese meanwhile put their given name in front of their surnames when spelling them out in English but do it the other way round in the Japanese language, though some are switching their names' order in English now too
Is this difference related to the old areas that were East Germany / West Germany?
Is the area where the family name is said first the area that was East Germany?
I'm from Romania and we also say the family name first (mostly in official situations, it is more polite)
@@andreivanatoru2549 I was referring to a north south difference, in the south there are dialects where you say the family name first. I don't know anything about it being a thing in the area that was East Germany, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't parts where that applies, I just don't know...
@@lzh4950 doesn’t everyone do that? I mean at least Chinese people do. You just basically change systems. Your surname just switch places if you have an English name.
In Latvian you also did that a long time ago, with the surname in genetive. This is the same as using other designators in front of the name, eg. the farm you were from.
The odd Chinese Number system actually has to do with the Chinese Language itself:
In English you count in thousands i.e. thousands, millions, billions....
But in Chinese you actually count in ten thousands i.e. 万 （10 000），亿（100 000 000），兆（1 000 000 000 000）
For example 100 000 wouldn't be "A hundred times a thousand" but 十万 "Ten times Ten Thousand"
So putting the comma every 4 digits instead of every 3 makes sense for the language
Weird is the way modern Greeks name big numbers. Ancient Greek has the powers of ten εν, δεκα, εκατον, χιλια, μυρια. So a million is εκατον μυρια (hundred myriad), whence Modern Greek εκατομμυριο. But instead of counting by powers of a myriad like Chinese and ancient Greeks, they count by powers of a thousand. 10^9 is δισεκατομμυριο, "twice-hundred-myriad", which makes no sense.
I like this system better than the western system.
This just makes Japan's system look dumb because we also have the 5 digit steps. Maybe they just use the 4 digit one just to standardize and align with the west
its exactly the same in japanese
In Japan, say you have scored 1261.45 billion points, is...
私のスコアは *12億6145万* です。
7:02 The Chinese and Japanese systems make a lot more sense when you realize that the languages themselves are structured in a way that counts numbers in groups of 4 rather than groups of 3. They actually have a word for ten thousand 万, and after that, a hundred thousand would be 10万, a million would be 100万, 10 million is 1000万, and THEN it moves on to 1億. (Note: I'm a Japanese-speaker)
A number like 9,9999,9999 in English would be read as "999 million; 999 thousand; 999", but in Japanese it's 9億9999万9999 or to break it down even further: 9億、9千9百9十9万、9千9百9十9
That's Chinese character, not Japanese.
lol 万 is simplified mandarin but 億 is traditioal
It is worse then
@@wangchangsheng1184 The sa.e
From what Ive seen ten thousand is also a very culturally important number in both of those mentioned cultures, being a stand-in for "a very big number"
As a Czech, I can say it's not that easy with name order. Given name first is the generic way, however in a lot of (not all) documents and in the profession is family name the first.
In Indonesia you almost never hear someone referring to other people with family names, even in the most formal occasions. Some people don’t even include family names in their IDs
I'd say documents are a different case. Here in Germany, on most documents the surname is printed first as well.
Being an engineering student, writing 1 million as 1E6 just makes things A LOT easier
Unless you have a digits only calculator.
Unless you have Euler's constant.
@@sinpi314 Euler's constant is *lowercase*
@@matejlieskovsky9625 oh. Btw isn't it sometimes written as 1e+6? I've seen it somewhere.
Edit: on Google's web calculator.
@@sinpi314 It's the same as writing 1 or +1. 1E6 or 1E+6 equals 1000000 while 1E-6 is 0,000001
The first map is wrong. Canadians mostly use the metric system but there is a lot of times where people will use Imperial. For weather we will use Celsius but for cooking we will mostly use Fahrenheit. On my driver's license my height will be in cm, but if someone asks me my height in a regular conversation and I tell them in cm they will usually not understand and ask for feet and inches.
Yeah I was confused why it said we only use metric as well
I imagine you're using Fahrenheit for cooking solely because of proximity to America. Nonetheless we too in Australia are measuring height in feet. We all used to use imperial, and that legacy isn't completely dead.
Yeah, Canadians and the English are fence-sitters. Just do it! You already know how much better it is, so commit (though us Aussies say our heights in feet and inches to older people, it's in gradual decline. I couldn't tell you my own weight in pounds but for some reason people often (unofficially) use it taking about a baby's birth weight.
@@AnimeReference Half true. One reason is that a lot of the older generation are just used to Imperial so products cater to their senses. When I was in elementary school we were taught in metric units, so I and a lot of younger people prefer metric. Another reason is trade with the USA as you mentioned. A lot of products come in using Imperial measurements. I said that for weather we use Celsius but my digital thermostat uses Fahrenheit.
@@priceprice_baby As I younger Canadian (20s) I want to fully change to metric. Infact, I want to get rid of all forms of Imperial measurements, including removing Imperial time in favor of metric time:
100 seconds in a minute
100 minutes in an hour
10 hours in a day
10 days in a week (3 day weekends)
3 weeks in a month
12 months in a year
And have the remaining 5-6 days added in, one after every 2 months
Makes math a lot easier:
5 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes, 15 seconds represented in hours:
Imperial - 127.7525h
Metric - 57.4515h
Also we get more days off which is what really matters, I couldn't actually care about math.
A couple other places beside the US, Belize, and Jamaica tend to use Fahrenheit as well like the Cayman Islands, Bahamas, Liberia, Palau, the Marshall Islands, and Micronesia. But the latter three do so because they were once administered by the US as part of the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands and agreed to a Compact of Free Association. Yup the Cayman Islands, despite being British, uses Fahrenheit but that's because of all the tourism and business from the US. While Liberia is just USA 2.0
Learning to use a calculator growing up in South America is confusing af
"Yeah, I know we thought you to write points every three numbers and a comma for decimals, but now we're gonna do it backwards because that's the way the calculator works"
Same in Spain
@@Alcam211 that explains where we got it from
idk about your calculators man, but mine could be easily switched to either setting.
@@michaelkochalka3251 yeah, but it's mainly the button
Super molesto man, siempre tengo que hacer la suma de 500+500 para verificar si son comas o puntos para los miles
You should have had Canada as a mixed Imperial/Metric system, because, officially, the law says all measurements must be in metric. Yet, in reality, Canadians still use imperial measurements in everyday usage in many areas. For example, we advertise real estate in square yards and square feet. We also give our height in feet and inches and our weight in pounds. Also, even though the signs in grocery stores list the price of meat and produce in metric (kg), they actually advertise the prices in their weekly flyers in price per pounds.
There's also the usage of Celsius for temperatures, except when talking about ovens or pool water
Panama is also mixed Imperial/Metric.
Saw in it your cars speedometers.
Huh, most people I speak to in Canada use metric for everything. Except for Fahrenheit in ovens when cooking.
@@planefan082 Maybe to foreigners they use Metric, but with themselves they use both. Who knows?
"But do you know any women? I mean statistics say you're watching a geography channel, probably not." Shit made me laugh, dude called out his viewers and he was right in my case.
I’ve never seen an Aussie write “1 000 000.89” on a test before, we’re taught “1,000,000.89” because it’s easier to tell for certain what number it is in childrens’ handwriting.
Same in Spain
Completely agree no idea what that map is talking about, also an aussie
@@T101G I've seen lazy people write it that way.
I'm an Aussie and write 1 000 000.89 and was taught commas are for americans and not to do it cos it'd get marked wrong. Maybe its was in the olden days if ur old
personally I use 1,000,000.89, even though my country apparently uses 1 000 000,89, which I think is stupid.
Proud of being in two minorities at once by being a woman watching your channel that isn't into birds
Being from Poland probably contributes to the third, what an accomplishment
Ah yes my favourite minorities. Women and polish people
i am a polish women who loves pigeons and all other birds hmm
I have two female friends in Australia who have phobias of birds
@@TheSummerRT magpies
Ahhhh my favorite minority, kids
5:30 Most of Europe uses . To separate thousands and , to separate decimals.
That Europe is mostly blue is wrong.
We write numbers without dots and commas, if you would write 10,000e it would just mean 10 euros. So finland should be orange too.
@@hybridmems That's another country I can add to my list of comma separating the decimal. Thanks.
I was gonna write it! In Italy we use the same system, we should be green
"Egypt is your best country if you dont like pidgeons"
Map clearly shows pidgeons on the nile delta and red sea coast.
The pigeon free areas in Egypt or Saudi Arabia is the uninhabited deserts.
Canada is very similar to the UK in being mixed system. For example, we tend to use feet/inches more often than metres/cm for height 🤷♂️.
Well it was the uk for like 60 years from British colonization
I had planned on pointing this out in my comment as well.
Same in India
Depends if you speak English or French…
It is definitely very confused in Canada and my guess is that it comes from most of the older generation still using the imperial system and not adapting to the switch. In my knowledge, most of the young people like me don't trully use or understand the imperial system, we only know it in an abstract way to measure a person's height and weight or an oven's temperature, like we don't trully know how much a pound or a foot is but we can know if it is much or not in the situation. We only learn metric at school. I am from Quebec and a French speaker though so idk about the rest of Canada.
Chinese-American from Arizona here,
I've actually started using more international standards for numbers:
I started using Celsius more often than Fahrenheit (and can understand it easily too) because I met a lot of people from around the world online and when I want to mention temperature, I use Celsius so I don't confuse anyone. Originally it took me a while to get used to Celsius, but eventually I did and I prefer Celsius over Fahrenheit now.
I also started using DD/MM/YYYY format, and I would be using this format on my schoolwork as well but it's America and the teacher will read it as "July 4, 2021" instead of "April 7, 2021" so instead, I use the YYYY-MM-DD, another date format that isn't totally barbaric like America's date format. I don't think this was brought up in the video but wanted to talk about anyway - the 24h format for timestamps. I prefer 17:00 over 5:00 PM for some reason, I don't know why, but yeah...
For numeric styles, I would still use the X,XXX,XXX.XX format but sometimes I use X XXX XXX.XX (usually on schoolwork, don't know why). I could also assume that why China's numeric style is X,XXXX,XXXX.XX is probably because the words change for every 4 digits (千 [1000] -> 萬 [1,0000] -> 十萬 [10,0000]; 千萬 [1000,0000] -> 億 [1,0000,0000] -> 十億 [10,0000,0000]).
Also, my Chinese name does put the family name before the given name. Also, sometimes I see formats in English where the family name is put before the given name with a comma separating it (for example: Graf, John instead of John Graf).
Cool video though (and honestly I shouldn't have wasted my time making this block of text).
Honestly same on most of this
Too much text
@@themelancholyofgay3543 It actually is
24h clock is great because you can express time using only numbers. Much simpler than mixing in letters with AM/PM
@@BrazilianImperialist less than 2 minutes to read
Iceland has a unique naming system. There are no " family" names. So if I'm called Jon and my dad is called Magnus, then I'm called Jon Magnuson, my sister would be magnusdotter. And so on.
same is in arabic countries. my name is hassan and my dad's called abbas, so my name is hassan ibn abbas. You do have family names that go after that so it's a mix of both systems
That's pretty sexist isn't it?
For a population of 300,000, it makes sense.
I'm Guilherme Robertson.
@@RaduRadonys No, it really isn’t.
@@gachi1297 How about the mother's name then?
America has such a large influence that I never realized they are the only country that use Fahrenheit
An we're keeping it that way comrade.
you forgot about belize and jamaica
liberia and myanmar use imperial too
@@brucewaynereal1 those 2 are pretty irrelevant tho lol
@@brucewaynereal1 true
imagine germans being "wrong" in how they write numbers, and yet being one of the historically most mathematical countries- Germany's system works just as well as america's... the reason germans do it differently is because it sounds better
In the Korean language, they say numbers in sets of 4 digits instead of 3, so it could be written like this 1000,0000,0000,0000
But they usually write using 3 digits to conform to international standards.
I love how USA uses fahrenheit but puerto rico doesn't
Puerto Rico is virtually like a completely different country
@@Mashfi23 its basically a colony
@@jacaredosvudu1638
Yes, I know
And I'm saying that it's virtually a country that has been colonized by USA
Like I already posted, PR. uses Fahrenheit. Speed limits on the roads are in miles per hour. But road distances are in kilometers. Also, service stations sell gasoline by the liter not gallon. And interstate 19 in the US state of Arizona from Tuscon Az. to Nogales AZ. (which is on the Mexican border) posts speed limit and distance using the metric system.
Puerto Rico is a colony of the US. Americans just don't like to admit it.
8:09 "yellow" it's green
(i did this to start a big argument)
"did you know pigeons only live in the yellow zones" *proceeds to show a map with no yellow zones*
Phew! I thought I was going colourblind.
That's dark yellow
I suspect the reason Canada breaks up large numbers with spaces is because French Canada uses commas as decimal separators.
Also, I can't accept any other system than yyyy-mm-dd having written it tens of thousands of times in school. It's also a great system for sorting digital files/folders as sorting them numerically puts them in chronological order.
YYYY-MM-DD is.used by the Canadian government on official forms (conputerized or printed) because English Canadians say "December 20, 2021 which French Canadians use "le 20 décembre 2021."
It's also an ISO standard already, so there is no point in using something else
I use the same Date Format in the US
I picked it up from Japanese Anime (Redundant Description is redundant) and mostly haven't gone back to the US format
As for the Numbers I was Too lazy to use commas
mm.dd.yyyy gang
Talking about the map with the commas and dots in numbers: I am from Austria (which is green) and as it shows on the map, the official style we use would be „1.234.567,89“. However you won‘t actually find it being used commonly here since it is easier and especially way faster to write these numbers like the blue countries do. That‘s what we actually use in our everyday writing.
Interesting how China, Korea and Japan use yyyy-mm-dd, and last name - surname. The thing that changes the least is first. Great that they are consistent at least.
Same in Hungary
@@zoardszabo You use yyyy-mm-dd in Hungary?
@@olmostgudinaf8100 yes
@@zoardszabo Good!
Same - The one weirdo in the US
In the Sinosphere there is an additional unit of number for ten thousand (wan in Chinese, man in Korean and Japanese) so instead of saying twenty thousand (20,000) it would be two wan (2,0000). However I've not come across that way of using commas in my time in China or Taiwan and like Japan and Korea they usually use the three digit system to follow the "international convention" OR writing the number then using the ten thousand symbol (万/만) instead of writing the four zeros (for example 4만 instead of 4,000). I've also seen ignoring commas altogether in China. People might use the X,0000 system but its not commonplace from what I've seen.
Anyway there is a logic for using that system even if it isn't apparent.
"And I hate getting into arguments with Americans about this one" I also hate them when they think I'm a girl or call me Kimmy because my first name is Kim when it's not
Now you get how I felt in Hanoi in 2019. I felt betrayed but what I thought was gonna be a sweet relationship in 2018...now turned sour. Even in 2019 when he crossed over to my country wasn't enough to redeem the friendship. The only American I trust is my boy Dennis Rodman
long live the true leader
I think yyyy-mm-dd and the eastern name order make the most sense. The way we write numbers in 'the west' is also thousands, then hundreds, then tens, then ones, so from big to small, or least to most precise. So, starting with years then getting more precise, or starting with the family name and then specifying who from the family, would align better than the other way around.
The difference I think is, whereas numbers you write bigger to smaller, because for you to know a specific number that is being mentioned, you need to know the whole number, if you only know the units or hundreds for example, it’s useless in most cases, given the fact that you won’t be able to know which number it is, either you know it all or you don’t (if you don’t need accuracy, you’ll always just round it up as usual), but when you’re talking about a date, you usually only need to mention the day, less often do you need to know the month, and rarely the year. So the most useful thing to know, and the most common of the three to mention would be the day, followed by the month and then the year. Same with people; most times, knowing their first name only is enough to identify a person, not needing to specify their family and then which person of the family it is; plus, this way, on 99% of the scenarios, you’re saving time. At least that’s how I see it, maybe because I’m from a “blue” country (dd-mm-yy (in the map it says it’s green, but I’ve only ever used the “blue” system)). Perhaps people from other places view it in a different way, one that I couldn’t ever even fathom, unless I was from there. idk
@@ol_iv_ei_ra I'm from a 🔵 country too, and yeah in terms of spoken language, first names and days are more important, because you already have the context of year/month and last name (unless two people share the same first name) due to the time and people where the conversation is happening. Instead of the exact date, could even use something like 'next Wednesday'.
However, date and name formats aren't intended for use in spoken language, but for written language and administration. In that case, the context from a real-time conversation does not apply: you could write something and - unless you expect a quick reply as if in an actual conversation -, someone might read it the next month. What does 'next Wednesday' mean then? For structured ordering of archives, yyyy-mm-dd is also very common (think about yearly binders for example) and it automatically sorts itself in filenames too. It seems unnecessary to have to switch between that and dd-mm-yyyy. In either case, you'd ignore the mm and yyyy parts, and those parts are at the edge of the word. Using dd-mm-yyyy has the merit of sounding like the way you'd say '18 September 2023', but that's the same reason Americans use for their mm-dd-yyyy system, so not a strong argument imo.
I prefer dd-mm-yyyy and first names. I'm used to it and it makes more sense in my opinion
No
Disagree on the name thing.
It's not even an "eastern" thing. It's like 2 or 3 countries in the east thing. All the others use the opposite naming conventions
Even though Canada officially use metric system. I can say that we actually use both in daily life and it’s very confusing
Being Canadian is such a pain, no one ever write the dates the same so the amount of confused meetings/deadlines ive ran into is astonishing
Ah yes the classic Canadian conundrum when you see a date like 04/05/2022 and you need to go looking for other dates written by that person/company in the hopes of finding one with a day >12 so you can figure out which order they were using. So much fun.
(7:20) The blue makes the most _grammatical_ sense, since spaces separate words and comma marks the second clause. So the spaces goes between the thousands, and comma marks the second clause which is the decimals. A period ends the sentence.
twelvethousand threehundred-and-fortyfive, and sixtyseven.
12 345,67.
i live in the philippines and i mostly use mm-dd-yy because in school when we first learned how to write dates they told us to write for example, Dec/December 19, 2021
they also teach us in school to write millions like
1,000,000
1 000 000 or
1000000
The Philippines was governed by the US at one point
The date thing just seems like "unfortunate" american influence.
8ºC and you're using a T-shirt? Brave! XD
As a software engineer, I've learned the hard way that any assumptions you make about how humans do things will eventually come back to bite you.
Internationalisation (i18n) is a mess - Numbers formatting (grouping thousands, decimal separator), pluralisation rules (languages where there is a special plural for 3 of a thing); Time: formatting for dates, but also timezones (did you know there are +0.5hrs timezones?), daylight saving time, etc. Don't get me started on leap days...
Now when writing emails I refuse to use anything other than ISO 8601 format (YYYY-mm-dd), and my clock is on UTC.
Don't forget leap _seconds_ 😂
@@olmostgudinaf8100 Tom Scott did a great video on time calculations, in which he descended quickly into madness.
@@olmostgudinaf8100 leap nanoseconds
@@olmostgudinaf8100 leap nanoseconds
There's also a +5.45 time zone (Nepal).
In Russia we use eastern name order very often, especially in documents, which makes signing up on foreign services quite confusing
We do that in Germany too. It's really confusing and usually frustrating when you realise that you put your name in the wrong order.
I wish I could have liked this twice, once for 4th of July, and second for the introducing the Good Country Index and brilliantly relating it back to the US on the earlier maps.
I actually do have an argument to support the German use of commas and dots in numbers:
The dot is smaller and the comma is bigger. Therefore the dot signifies a unit of smaller importance (three numbers grouped together), whereas the comma signifies the much larger break (between full numbers and decimals).
Sure, that doesn't line up with the linguistic use of commas and dots, where the comma is only a small break and the dot is the full-stop. But aesthetically it does make some sense.
Another thing is that on a hand written paper a dot may not be seen.
As an Arab we also use comma. When decimal system was brought from India to the Islamic world and after the invention of decimal fraction a small vertical line (very similar to comma) was used as separator according to old scripts. I think at some point a British man decided that a point is more elegant or something.
and, well, spaces are of even less importance
I personally hate the idea of using commas in a number for any reason whatsoever. I don’t want to have to use semicolons for lists of numbers, that just feels wrong.
Just use blank space and a period.
In German we not only write it like this, we also say comma instead of point.
The name order map seems weird to me. Here in Poland while Name Surname is the default, depending on the circumstances and especially in certain very formal settings we DO in fact go Surname Name. Yet Poland is straight-up yellow on that map just like most of everywhere else and that's it. I wouldn't be surprised if the author of that map painted over many such cases.
Not formal, that's a bit misleading😉 Only on all kinds of written (and read out loud) alphabetical lists where the surname is more important - like, for example, phone books (lol, am I a boomer if I remember phone books🤣?), classrooms attendance lists, city office papers, tax office archives etc. It's very rare for somebody to introduce themself with a family name first; sooner people say their family name only, but even that is not common😉.
@@inaanjakossowska6990 I didn't really want to go into detail as to when it's used in the surname-first order since that wasn't really important (usually, but not always, it's at the intersection between people and some sort of bureaucracy). The point is that it actually is done sometimes. Compare it to the reaction of the guy from the video when he talked about the concept, which sounded as if it was something completely culturally alien to him.
@@abdulmasaiev9024 Well, it definitely sounds unnatural, artificial, deep PRL, bureaucratic as you said - so I understand what he meant by that🤷🏻♀️.
Thats interesting. In Austria we also use both orders even though we are marked on the map as only yellow. It could happen in formal situations. But even more if you talk about you neighbours for example or generelly people you know, you would also say surname name. To mark right away which family you are talking about. That means in day to day life you would use the order surname name more frequently than name surname.
@@abdulmasaiev9024 Its done sometimes everywhere lol
I actually know a girl that is completely terrified of birds. ALL BIRDS. No other animals. JUST BIRDS.
fun fact about celcius, the definition of a degree celcius was changed to use the triple point of water instead of boiling and freezing, so water technically boils at 99.9839 degrees Celsius.
actually the definition of a degree celcius was changed to be related with the boltzmann constant in 2020, it is no longer based on the triple point of water
It depends on a lot of factors
Water starts boiling at 23 degrees
@@BrazilianImperialist in what system?
Also, why TF is temperature measured in *degrees?*
@@chri-k because on a temperature dial it goes up in degrees.
because of the way numbers are written in chinese characters, it makes more sense if they put four digits between commas instead of three. the map would make more sense if it had a larger number
"Anyway before we go here-"
*6 minutes left of the video*
9:53 Toycat casually roasts most of his viewers and himself in the same sentence
this had me dead 💀
Also Bavaria uses the eastern name order in casual speach and, like "der Meier Franz" where it would be in most other parts of germany "Franz Meier". Also on documents like an ID the last name is mostly written above or first, since it's more important because there are a thousand "Stefans", but only few "Stefan Spiegelhauers".
*Southern Bavaria.
-Sincerely, A Franconian.
Also, when someone calls you, you often say your last name first. Like "Good day, Max Müller here, how can I help you?"
Apparently some people in Saxony do this as well. Really weird, y'all bloody Southerners and Easterners. 😂
Naja streng genommen würde man ja Hausnamen verwenden, was wieder ein völlig eigenes, anderes System darstellt
Putting The Surname First On IDs Is Common, I Believe, Usually Separated With A Comma, I.E. "Ellehammer, Jacob" Rather Than "Jacob Ellehammer".
10:35 I am a Viet and I used to have a trouble with foreigners’ name writing system. When I was a kid, I couldn't distinguish between a foreigner's last name or a foreigner's first name. It took me two days to understand it.
6:00 - 1 234 567,89 makes more sense than 1 234 567.89, because a comma is a pause (changing from whole to partial numbers), while period is an end marker
Yes! 👏🏻
But the person that invented this concept used a period (decimal) to show the change from larger than 1 to smaller than 1
either way works with that argument SMH
@@ShawNshawN Err... how?
The comma makes more sense just because a dot is often barely visible in handwriting.
i personally think 1.000.000,5 is more visually appealing than 1,000,000.5 because the dots are less visible than the commas, so for me it makes sense that the more visible comma seperates decimals from the whole number while the dots are just a small helpful tool. i'm german though, so i'm definitely biased :D
I think 1 000 000.5 is more aesthetic. As stated it’s also the most practical system, universally understood.
this comment makes me implode on myself, screaming in pain and terror until eventually the pain ends as I am removed from this mortal plain, destined to the void for eternity.
@@Echiio i live in indonesia, any system with dots and commas are annoying just use no signs except for decimals
1,000,000.5 is better
My inner self that understand maths flips over if someone messes with the dot
@@HarshRajAlwaysfree You are wrong, it is much better when the points separate the numbers, and the comma marks the decimal. Visually it is more harmonic. 1.000.000,5 looks better.
9:54 Do you know any women? You're watching a geography channel so probably not.
Normal People say "Celsius"
ibx2cat says SOURsius
I’m American, and mm dd yyyy is what I’m accustomed to, but I like the progression of dd mm yyyy.
Woman here (who loved that burn of people who enjoy this channel). For your stats: most of my friends like birds, some love birds, and one is absolutely terrified of them.
Imo Fahrenheit makes more sense as an American since its more precise. but then again, changing the thermostat in my house barely affects how hot or cold it is since theres so many didgets in between 0-100 F vs 0-37 C.
When I first went to Spain ages ago with my Spanish wife I saw that they flip the point with the comma (your map is wrong mate…).
I got angry at first but now I’m using it here at home cause it’s cool and annoys other Brits.
It's funny to see so many people defending this or that system, when it's clear that the Imperial System is used only in places that were once under British domain or influence. It's clear that the metric system may not be "friendly" or "intuitive", but is logic and easily understandable. Sometimes they use kilos and meters in the US, but nobody would ever use miles or ounces in my country, except when talking about US subjects. And for dates, there's also no better way, it depends on the spoken language. If I ask an American when it's Christmas, he'll say on December 25, but a Brazilian will say em 25 de dezembro.
Same In Spanish, and I learned Spanish in American school
Other countries had their own measurement systems before they went metric as well. In Germany we had miles and pounds for example - not the same miles and pounds as the US but different ones, and their definition changed according to what territory you were in. The difference is, most European countries went metric in the 19th century and abandoned their old systems for good. Or almost that is, we still have a "pound" of sorts: 500 grams is called a "pound" by some older people, a "metric pound" if you will.
@@adfr3d470 Varies by territory. A Prussian mile was a bit over 7.5 km, in other territories can be a bit more or less, but it mostly varies between 7 and 8 km. There's an ancient milestone in a Berlin suburb that says "2 miles from Berlin", it is about 15 km away from what was then Berlin (now the city centre). TH-cam censors links, so I can't post an image but it's on wikipedia :)
@@adfr3d470 TH-cam deletes comments who contain a link. I'll try to circumvent the filter in my next comment, you have to reassemble the URL from that :)
@@adfr3d470 PS the inscription on the column says "II Meilen von Berlin", note that's not 11, but a roman numeral 2
There are 12 months, 28-31 days, and thousands of years, this is why MM/DD/YYYY makes sense
The date format map has Croatia in green and I can say that in 23 years of living here, I have never seen a date written in yyyy-mm-dd format
Yyyy mm dd is marked by yellow you may want to do a colorblindness test
@@kinyitom7637 croatia was marked as using both which was green.
The funny thing is that we Americans both use the imperial and metric system but its just that we use them in different situations. Like in daily life, we use imperial but at work or school, we use metric.
It’s only science where metric is important really
What the fuck are you talking about? I use Imperial for about everything. Like the only reason I’d use metric is for my science classes and that’s it. In no other context would I use it unless I got a job that requires it (which most don’t).
I remember my grade 4 teacher making sure we knew to write without commas in our numbers because “that was American”. I’m Canadian and yeah I’d write it as 1 000 000. Great video by the way!
Swiss people use a ' -> 1'00'000 (or for 1k money 1'000'000.00 $) We are actually the only ones in the world who do it like that. When Germans write prices/numbers I'm confused each time.
In Austria (at least in formal settings like work, school, on ID's etc) it's always the family name at first. The reason is to order people alphabetically because family names are rarer than given names.
That's a reason most nicknames for us are derived from family names, especially in school, except with really close friends.
But do you put the name first in the middle of a sentence?
@@PA-yp6rw If you're talking about a friend or a working colleague it's absolutely no problem and normal to talk about the person using the first name
Family/surnames are rarer than given names instead in Korea & China (& perhaps Vietnam too? Not sure about Japan) hence that's probably why names are written the other way round there. e.g. some surnames originate from dynasties' names
3:37 as an American, I’d say this argument is less of a defense and more of an excuse. It’s dumb but nobody cares enough to switch it around so here we are.
Unrelated, but similar: here in the UK we mostly have separate hot and cold water taps, even in new builds. I've seen people "proving" how "superior" it is by... showing how they get around it 😂
I remember always forgetting as a kid whether day or month came first when writing dates, even though I'm born and raised American. Something about putting the day first made more sense to ten year old me
4:36
Well, did you notice that Canada uses the American system *and* all the other ways of writing dates as well all at the same time?
I'm surprised he didn't mention that. I'm Canadian and I've been wondering for a long time which date system I'm supposed to use. Turns out I didn't have to.
@@Wonder50 You have my condolences.
Quebec may use the European way (dd/mm/yyyy), but English-speaking Canadians all use the American style (mm/dd/yyyy).
I much prefer the military date as it eliminates all doubt 22DEC21 day/month/year format with no question as to what is what.
@@terryomalley1974 Hum, just realized that we Europeans actually do *time* a bit weird...
So hours:minutes:seconds day/month/year (in other words seconds are out of order).
Doing year first, then month then day, then hour then minute then second makes the most sense.
There are still bits of the old measurement systems drifting around in Canada. Construction materials tend to be sold in inch, foot, square foot measurements: Plywood "four by eights" Lumber "two by fours". Screws, bolts fasteners are still sold in inch fractions and SAE measure and it's damned hard to hunt up Metric replacement screws. Some nautical charts still show depths in fathoms although metric ones are available. This is all because of proximity to the Americans. (so many Americans have served in their military that uses only metric but they forget it all upon discharge?)
Railways still operate in miles because we have an integrated network with the US. Except municipal railways (subways, light rail, etc) which are metric.
There is a stretch of track in Waterloo Ontario where the speed limit is 25 mph for freight trains and 70 km/h for light rail.
I'm Norwegian, and we uses ghe metric system, exept in a few areas.
Whrn it comes yo tools, we use both, because we import both things from the US and Europe, so in pipewrench pipes and such we use both SI and Imp. Timber and nails are a fun one:
The dimentions are always listed in SI, but everyone uses inch when ordering.
Om the sea and in the air, I prefere nautical messurements though, speed in knots, depth in fathoms, and distance in nautical miles and cabel lenghts.
I find it weird that for some reason Latvia is marked as using dd-mm-yyyy and yyyy-mm-dd. I've lived in Latvia my whole life and you ALWAYS use dd-mm-yyyy, no matter if you need to write a date for your test in school, or the date a newspaper was published, you always use dd-mm-yyyy.
What interests me is the whole million - billion difference in languages: I always double check because when million is milion in Polish, bilion (more logically than in English) means two millions like trylion means three millions etc. - and what in English means billion we call miliard. Little thing, unless you make an error🤣... Wonder where that difference came from🤔?
Yes, indeed. Would be interesting to see how numbers are called. It is also confusing comparing dutch with english. I guess polish is similar to dutch.
Million = million
Milliard = billion
Billion = trillion
Billiard = quadrillion
Trillion = quintillion
Trilliard = sextillion
@@tsmink809 Same thing in french.
The retarded "new billion" etc. is a purely anglophone invention that they could have gladly spared the rest of the world. In fact Britain used to have the same system as the rest of us, but for what ever reason jumped onboard that weird "power of thousand" system someone in the US cooked up, instead of the much more logical "power of ten" system that the literal names for the numbers are even based upon. (I'm ofc generalising when saying "the rest of us" as if no other systems exist. Ofc they do, but they don't and haven't caused as much potential and actual confusion)
I remember when I had to input the date in one device, and it happened to be 12th of December 2012. (The year number in this device was also in 2 digits). Took a bit of extra time...
“There is no feelings in dates” well someone lacks affection
As a Hungarian living in the UK for almost 3 years, I still sometimes have to think when I fill in forms and such where to put my first and last name :D And as a huge anime fan, the English subtitles throw me off when they flip the names of the characters...
8:19 it reaches +50°C in Iraq in the summer and you will still see pigeons flying like it's nothing .
Ok so I’m chinese, trying to translate large numbers from english to Chinese is an ABSOLUTE PAIN.
Eg. In english, you would say One million, twenty four thousand, One hundred and eighty two
In chinese however…
To say 1,024,182 would sound more like
102 万 (万 = 10,000)
4千 (千 = 1,000)
1百 (百 = 100)
8十(十 = 10)
2
So the grouping is actually 102,4,1,8,2…
God this was a hassle to type out
Never thought I’d be regularly be watching a guy who calls himself toy cat talk about geography. That means you’re doing something right lol
I’m an avid mm-dd-yyyy defender because with a number formatted like x-y-z, if you’re reading left to right, the x is the “most important” number in that if you are skimming or just see the number at a glance, x will stick out the most. So x should be the most important number you have. The years change too slowly to be that important and the days change too quickly, so months are the most important measure of the date. Think of the difference between March 1st and March 8th vs the difference between January 3rd and August 3rd.
First time that I see a reasonable argument for mm-dd-yyyy
I'm still glad that in Lithuania we write date from high to low making the year more important thing than a day I guess lmao
In the bibliography, the surname of the first author comes first followed by a comma and the first name of the first author. For subsequent authors, the first name comes first and is followed by the surname.
I’m Canadian, and over here, we use a combination of both systems- I measure my weight in pounds, and refer to the size of a TV by inches, but measure distance in kilometres.
We also have a weird hybrid way of writing and speaking English; airplane is spelled as it is in the US, and we say “pants” instead of “trousers” like in the US, but we spell words like “colour”, “flavour” and “favourite” like they’re spelled in the UK.
I like how all the baltic countries have a different yyyy-mm-dd system
It is common in the USA when asked the date in a conversation where the current year is assumed to respond with something like January 15th. Since that usage is the most commons spoken usage it is also common to respond when referring to dates in other years by saying January 15th, 2023. This can also be written as 1-15-2023. No alcohol required.
Honestly got unreasonably upset about that; it's just more efficient to say it the way we do stateside, otherwise you're adding 2-3 extra words.
Exactly, if I text my mom “when is my doctors appointment” I would like her to say 2-25 so I know what month an day it is. It’s quick and easy. No need to tell me 2022-2-25, I already know what year we’re in 😭 and if I ask “when is my nieces birthday?” Then you just add the year to it at the end. It almost feels like the most important information is first (the month), then the least important info is last (the year). And saying dd-mm is alright but when I’m trying to process the info when someone is saying it to me, the day it is on is not the first bit of info I want. It’s like my brain is mapping the date as it’s being told to me. But it might just be me and the system I grew up using
@@skr3ex well it’s because you are basically biased. Your brain has grown used to processing the month first, so when Day comes first, your brain finds it irritating and shit.
cool but also the majority of the world population uses a different, better method
DD.MM.YY or YY.MM.DD make the most logical sense
@@May-gr8bp There is no reason that everyone has to do it the same way. If the rest of the world wants to do it differently they are free to do it their own way.
For the given name / family name, in France, pretty much all forms and official documents put the family name first. When speaking, it's always given name first though
Fun fact about the order of your given and family names, in Bavaria in Germany (south-eastern state), older people especially, will often use the family name first.
Even if they introduce themselves?
yyyy-mm-dd is the iso standard.
Also it aligns with convention of writing numbers with the significant figure first.
But it doesn’t make sense to me. Why write the year... the thing that changes once every 365.25 days... first?
@@calebcustombricks2631 It's primarily good for consistent sorting and organisation of documents and data ISO (YYYY-MM-DD) is not the problem, the american date "system" ("MM-DD-YYYY") is. In fact for a similar reason that you stated, just switch out 365 days with 29-31 days.
The horror of always converting dots to comma in numbers, or local time to UTC and vise versa. You must
always figure out which system your dataset is using, otherwise you'll get completely confused.
I hope that, one day, we'll have a standard worldwide system. It would be humanity's greatest achievement.
We sort of do with ISO
It's ironically mainly America that *in everyday practice* hasn't jumped on a lot of it, like most other countries have.
There is however a lot less ambiguity between YYYY-MM-DD and DD-MM-YYYY than between "MM-DD-YYYY" and any of those.
Living in the Philippines with two date formats is confusing especially on date on foods.
You're just gonna guess which format will you use because not every food has the same date format.
Speaking about commas and dots in numbers. I'm from Spain and I was taught to do it the "German way" when I was a kid, until we ended up dropping the dots and only using the comma where a dot would be in an english speaking country. I had Physics and Chemistry in English for a while and we were taught to use dots where in Spanish we used commas to adapt to the language, so how you write numbers is a language thing. Then I had to stop using dots for two years and had to adapt again when I moved to Scotland to study Maths, and now I do it wrong in Spanish hahah.
Other interesting differences are the money signs in English go in front of the price and in Spanish they go after, so in the UK you would write £10 and in Spain 10£.
And finally, the other one is that in the UK you guys do divisions (the ones we did in school by hand, not the calculator ones) the opposite way than us. I believe the UK system is better because the numbers are clearer, but I was never able to adapt to that hahah
Que tal fue tu experiencia estudiando en Escocia?
@@nadie8553 Genial! Me graduo en junio y la verdad es que la experiencia ha sido buenísima. Supongo que también he tenido muchísima suerte con la uni a la que he ido, porque se preocupan mucho por los alumnos (aunque ha empeorado un poco con el covid) y también tuve suerte porque pude venirme justo antes del brexit :)
Canada uses a combination of metric and imperial as well, which is kind of overlooked by these maps. We use Fahrenheit for cooking, and sometimes indoor temperatures, imperial lengths for construction and height, sometimes use imperial for weights as well (i.e. we rarely refer to the fact that we weight 65kg, rather just say it in pounds)
Also, on the bird thing, my mother has a terrible fear of birds due to a pigeon ripping an earring out of her ear when she was a kid. Just hates every bird now because of it, nearly 50 years later.
as an italian we usually use 4354,34 etc but with bigger numbers it’s either 12 000 000,23 or 12.000.000,23
I think probably the reason for the Chinese system is probably related to the number words they have (I live in Japan and speak Japanese not Chinese, but I believe this is the same). In English, you have hundred and thousand, and then the next new word is million, but here there is a specific word for ten thousand, so logically the comma goes one more place to the left.
In Japan, when writing out a number in Arabic numerals, it's the same as the US, UK, etc., but for example a more common way to write a large number like a million in everyday life would be like 100万 (literally one hundred ten-thousands).
One thing I have to mention is the US is a lot more like Canada with its measurements than you'd think. BOTH the US and Canada officially use the metric system, any US documentation by the federal government is going to be in metric, it is just that everyone of their own accord still uses imperial units and no one calls the Canadians out for doing the same exact thing!
Broads like birds. My gal does too. She's not as much of an amateur ornithologist as my Granny is, but she'll get there someday!
Month/Day/Year is the one that is smallest to biggest. Max of 12 months, max of 31 days, and literally infinite number of years.
Yeah sure
I'm from Italy and usually when writing we use 1'234'567,89 system.
Commas before the decimal part and apostrophes to split the number.
I think it's easier because when you read someone else's handwriting its not always easy to discern commas and dots (especially if you have 3 decimal digits) therefore we simply put "something" in different places.
I've seen also people using dots on the top of the number instead of apostrophes to differentiate even more from the comma used for the decimal part.
Well, on a lot of official paperwork and databases, you still have last name first, even in the yellow countries.
As some of the others have pointed out, the Chinese counting system makes sense because of the differences in languages. In fact, the Japanese also use the same system when speaking and also for writing when not using Arabic numerals. I’m not too sure about Korean because I don’t speak that. (But I can speak and write in both Chinese and Japanese)
Western systems are based on increments of a 1000 times the previous term. East Asian systems are based on increments of 10,000. Allow me to explain. In fact, the characters are the same in both Chinese and Japanese.
So we start with the standard…
十 = 10
二十 = 20 (it’s literally two tens)
百 = hundred
千 = thousand
What comes next is where things are different.
万 = 10,000 so it’s 10 thousand
亿 = 10,000 万 or 100 million
兆 = 10,000 亿 or 1 trillion
This is why the commas are written every 4 digits instead of 3.
The difference between the Chinese and Japanese system is that the Chinese bring over their number convention when writing in Arabic numerals.
Thank you, I appreciate your help!
I have a question :
Are Chinese characters for numbers (used in China and Japan) : 一、二、三 counted as words for numbers ("one") or as digits for numbers ("1")?
@@gamermapper That’s a good question!
Effectively, they count as both since these characters are logograms - each character represents a word… in much the same way that numerals represent numbers. Therefore Chinese characters for numbers falls under the area where “word for a number” and “numerals” overlap.
You can find old text (sorry, I don’t know the date it was written) where calculations are written purely in Chinese characters.
These, from my understanding, have been phased out in China (definitely has been phased out in Japan) and replaced with the current international numeral system (1, 2, 3, etc) for the purposes of calculation… since Chinese characters for numbers have similar drawbacks as Roman numerals.
For example,
DCCLXXVII = 777
D = 500
C = 100
L = 50
X = 10
V = 5
I = 1
七百七十七 = 777
七百 = 700
七十 = 70
七 = 7
While obviously not as bad as Roman numerals, when it comes to large calculations it doesn’t seem to be as intuitive as the current international standards. If one uses it for a long time, I’m sure any hindrances would disappear, and it does work well with the abacus, but… not so with a modern calculator. Written calculations also use up more space (and characters), making it less efficient.
One can however still see signs where the old system of writing is used for, say for example, prices… but you’re more likely not to. It is however, still fairly common to see dates written purely in Chinese characters.
A combination of both systems is the most common nowadays though. For example, I have my language settings set to Japanese on my desktop so that I can more easily type Japanese characters. Unlike on my phone where TH-cam is in English, the same account displays on my desktop in Japanese. So, when I see subscription numbers for some TH-camrs, I see a combination of both.
One of the TH-camrs I follow hit 751k subs yesterday, but it shows as 75.1万 (万 = 10,000) instead. No one would say 751千 (千 = 1000), because it’s a bit of a mouthful and just sounds weird to us in much the same way as hearing someone say “ten thousand million” would be.
In summary, Chinese characters are effectively are both… but might one day (and already sort of is) shift closer towards being words and not numerals. However, it will never fully become only a word due to the way it is used in both Chinese and Japanese and therefore will continue to exist in that grey overlapped area.
@@gamermapper Banknotes use the more traditional/archaic/classic forms of Chinese (& Japanese too?) characters e.g. 壹 instead of 一 to represent '1' & 拾/什 instead of 十 to represent '10' as with more strokes, it's harder to scam payees by adding strokes to the characters to pass the notes off as being worth more value than it actually is e.g. by adding another '一' stroke above a '二' to make a '2' printed on a note look like a 三 '3' in Chinese, or adding another curved stroke above 十 ('10') to get 千 ('1000')
The writing system is easy because you don't have to learn Chinese characters when learning Korean. However, Korean grammar is the most difficult of the three languages. Also, there are too many idioms and onomatopoeia..
11:41 it's odd that Germany is dark green.
15 percent of our energy comes from coal.
If you look at the top ten biggest coal companies 5 of them are German.
We have deactivated all nuclear reaktors for no reason, other than:
There was this one time dome other nuclear reaktors with completely different standards of security had a meltdown.
Yeah it was really bad, but it doesn't deserve to be compared to modern power plants.
*reactors
when it is warm, 10-50 just feels like too low of numbers to describe that level of heat
I don't say "June the 4th" I say "June 4th" without the "the" month then year makes the most sense. "Fourth June" would just be weird.
Sincerely,
A Canadian