Story 2: They literally raised a sociopath. Killing a cat and being able to persuade people into believing you, especially that many, is literally insane.
The school should have gotten CPS/Animal rescue/protect involved, hell the school should have gotten police involved. As soon as the cat was brought up I immediately hated "Angela" no normal person abuses anyone. Excuse me while i go cuddle my cat and give her extra treats.
@@FeatherFall101 I was wondering why the school didn’t get further involved when they noticed the ongoing treatment of OP and seeing no changes in Angela’s behavior
@@lorilancaster5917 if I had to guess. Either OP comes from Money meaning they could make the STFU, they did try but it got them nowhere other than the parents scolding them or the school didn't give that much of a shit after a while
It's actually one of the hallmarks of serial killers. Maiming, harming, abusing, and killing animals is how a lot of them start. Now, I'm not trying to imply that Angela is a serial-killer-in-the-making, but to say the cat incident is a red flag is the understatement of the millennium. Angela is a psychopath. Period.
1. Psychopathy and narcissism are _not_ comorbid, pick one. 2. No, abusing animals and siblings are _not_ typical behaviors of psychopaths and I'm assuming you'd find it quite insulting if I suggested that it's typical behaviors of neurotypicals, even though more neurotypicals than psychopaths engage in said behaviors (both of them).
@My father is a psychopath. He abused us all and tried to strangle my cat to hurt my mom. We also found a bloody knife in the basement about 10 years ago. I still wonder who all he hurt in his day. I know of at least 1 hit and run from 20 years ago, no clue if the person lived.
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@@HaleyJo1992, yes, _some_ psychopaths are assh*les. So are some neurotypicals. Nobody has ever claimed that all psychopaths are good people.
@@bryn1063 Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive. Serial killers like Charles Manson, Jack the Ripper and Ed Gein were psychopaths. While not all psychopaths are serial killers, multiple of them are
So is the narcissism and manipulation. Psychopath often come off as very charming. fMRI studies have been done that show differences in the brains of psychopaths, there have also been genetic markers identified. That being said there are people with one or both of those who don't show the symptoms of psychopathy. So nurture is believed to play a part in psychopath development.
2nd story: OP should be very alerted to her "former" family and her psycho sister showing up near her and her children. I can totally see the sister enraged at not getting what she wanted and coming to destroy OP's happy family because of it. Be aware of a highly potential murderer!!!
Oh, most definitely. A restraining order won't help. People walk through those, all the time, and if they plan to kill you, they won't give a shit about one piece of paper. My advice? Cut all forms of contact. Even remote ones, unless you are absolutely certain they won't relay info back. Friends, family, friends of friends. Completely drop off their radar. Move. Get a new job. Change your name if you have to. Fucking vanish. *Do not let them know anything about you.*
@@maxbaker7841 Well, a restraining order might be useful for the parents. They aren't as violent as Angela so they would likely show up just to guilt trip her OP and apply pressure to her, which a restraining order would then allow her to have them arrested for. Angela on the other hand, as violent as she is there is a significant chance she could hurt OP before the cops get there in time
@@maxbaker7841 Oh, I agree. If her parents never believed OP's side in the first place they would likely slip up by gossiping with friends or relatives who made no such promise,or even go out of their way to help 'fix' sisters relationship by providing Angela if not OP's adress, contact info, etc then enough 'insignificant' clues to piece it out herself.
For the first story, I feel bad for the son in all of this. He’s got no mother, half siblings who want nothing to do with him, and a father who sounds like he’ll be living paycheck to paycheck. He was brought into a shitty situation by two incredibly selfish people.
Literally the only reason I genuinely hope op finds a good wife and is able to make up with his daughters is so his son can have more family to support him, unfortunately I don't really imagine either of those things will happen, at least not anytime soon.
Hopefully, op has the good sense to not tell his son about his siblings. The girls may change their minds in time but the son can't really miss what he doesn't know about.
I do feel bad for the father a little though. He was putting in the effort to show his daughters he still cares for them and that he is actually owning up to his mistakes- for the love of god- they Where together FROM HIGHSCHOOL- I get that he felt curiosity and never had the opportunity to find his "desires" but it still doesn't excuse him cheating on her. I do still hope the daughters eventually grow older and try to amend things as it's clear they're bio dad is literally giving up on his life. He is understandably depressed and the only thing pushing him forward is his son....
The parents in the last story created a complete monster. Shame on them. Honestly, I'm also glad that Angela is infertile because that way she can't manipulate and ruin her own children's lives. She would be a horrible mother.
In 6 or more years from now, they'll be totally bewildered and cry "what did we do wrong when we did everything right" when Angela goes to prison for murdering someone. Maybe it's her boyfriend/husband who tried to leave her or maybe it's Grandma Jane because Angela wants life insurance money
@@ahstiasummers5583 Knowing her, what would she do to a child? Im not saying 100% that she'd do something, but the girl impaled cats who did nothing to her, so how well would do with a fussy baby, a loud toddler, or even a moody teenager.
Gotta love the entitlement in Story 2. "We gaslit you your whole life and disowned you over a half-assed sob story, now come back so we can use your and your husband's bodies for your abuser's whims. Don't worry, we'll disown you again when we're done." I don't think I've ever felt that uncomfortable listening to a reddit story.
Right! Not a single word about regret for what they put OP though or trying to mend their relationship with her at all... Classic "golden child" and "scapegoat" dynamic and they will never see it any other way... They had YEARS of proof from the school of who the real bully was but protected/believed only her still... They don't deserve OP let alone any (grand)kids they try to have...
That second story is a classic narcissistic family dynamic. Not only is the sister a narcissist, but the parents are narcissists who made Angela the golden child and OP the scapegoat.
@@nicorizzo5402 She IS a psychopath or sociopath but maybe not a narcissist. There is a difference and there are people more qualified than me to explain it
Story 2: I feel like OP needs self defense(gun, guard dog, etc) because the parents and the sister sound dangerously unhinged. Like break into the house kind of unhinged.
Moving away and deleting her contacts might help allot. I see those people are out of touch with the world and they do not really see what is acceptable and what is not.
Like break into the house, tie down OP, force insemination, and then hold hostage for 9 months to bear the child so the sister can get what she wants levels of insane?
The last story hurts my heart. I grew up in a family like that. My bad aunt made up a bunch of lies about my good aunt, stole her boyfriends, was over all a terrible sister and a HORRIBLE person, and ultimately got her ostracized from the family for selfish gain and the whole family (not me though) pretends like she never existed, and now that my mom is dead she is pretending like my mom never existed either. Some people are pure evil and will never feel bad about hurting others to make themselves look better.
Enough has been said about the first story, but that second one…wow. OP’s mother (“Aunt Kathy” from the perspective of her cousin) is as big a narcissist as Angela is. This whole situation is seriously messed up, and while I am a firm believer that OP shouldn’t twist her life around her abusive family, this is worth moving half way across the country/world to get as far away from them as possible.
Agreed 100%. I would absolutely move across the country, change phone numbers, use one of those services to remove your information from the internet, and go 100% no contact from the whole family. That family is far too toxic to be salvaged.
Agreed, those people sound entitled and out of touch with reality and norms, like impaling a cat is normal teen behavior for the parents. This tells allot about their mindset and view of reality. Op should move away, change her contacts and never contact those pieces of trash who seem not so sane in their head. And I also fear, if op will get in touch with her parents, her bitch sister might compete with op over who is a better mom and also the bitch sister will try to steal op`s husband.
And nothing of value was lost...OP now cut contact with those shitty parents and that sister, she has a family and should not even worry about what to tell her kids, just say their grandparents are dead e move on. Why waste time explaining all that happened to her kids when she can just say "they are dead, lets go to the park and have fun"
I grew up in a family similar to this - narc mother + likely psychopath, golden child brother (who also murdered a cat). I moved pretty much across the continent - one coast of North America to the other. It took a little while for me to finally go no contact - the brainwashing is strong - but with therapy, hard work, and support of loving people in my life I did it 13 years ago this month. Best decision I ever made was to leave these toxic people behind. It was difficult, and some days still is, but worth every bit of it - living with and being forced to drink their poison everyday was far more difficult than anything I experienced since I cut them from my life.
I'm so glad the woman in the last story is fully breaking off contact. It's the stories where one or more victims never even try to escape, that really disturb me. By contrast, this one left me with a feeling of relief.
I feel terrible for OP's son in the first story. The poor boy has zero faults about any of this, yet his mother doesn't care about him and literally abandoned him, while his half-siblings want nothing to do with him and refuse to even acknowledge him. I hope at least OP manages to make up for all his mistakes by giving his son all the love and support he needs. Poor kid has nobody else. ;(
@topasu I'm generally curious, what advice can you give? Give his son love and support? I mean he's already doing that, I can't really support the guy since he's the reason his whole life imploded.
@@topasu9454 what advice do you want to him to give? Reddit does that for him. And this is best of Redditor updates. It’s a story where people already got answers to their questions. There’s nothing Rslash can say to help this guy.
Story 2: I'm just really happy that it seems OP's family (especially her mom) isn't super intelligent, because the way she went about it immediately raised red flags. Like, if someone who's ACTUALLY good at manipulating would do it, they'd first be all apologetic and try to lower OP's defenses before asking for the surrogacy. But the text she sent after years of no contact would make all walls around someone shoot up XD
I think it is a combination of that level of stupidity but also that level of entitlement. People like OP's mother (and frankly like my mother) genuinely think that it is perfectly fine to send that type of text because they (the texters) (in their minds) never did anything wrong, and that by now 'OP should be over whatever overly-emotional snit she got in' and so be ready to 'return to the family'. These garbage-people never think they are wrong so never believe than anyone has genuine cause to be angry at them.
The cousin spilled the tea on the parents. They knew all along and are just as bad as the daughter. The mom may be delusional but she's just as manipulative.
Story 2: Geez, that whole family is f**ked up, except for the cousin, I guess. I'm glad that OP has completely cut them out, they really see OP as nothing but waste to be thrown away. No child would last long in that house
The golden child would “last”, by growing up into another narcissistic abuser of whatever unfortunate sibling mama decided was the permanent scapegoat.
Any child the sister would have would definitely be abused the moment it wasn’t cute anymore, but that feels like it’d be especially true if Op would’ve agreed to surrogate a baby for them. They’d be using her egg and her husband’s sperm- that would just be Op’s baby that she gifted to her dickhead sister. You can’t tell me Angela wouldn’t abuse a baby that would remind her of her sister.
I’d be afraid the sister would be like the mom who purposely murdered her babies. People would feel so sorry for her that she lost her children to SIDS. When she was actually smothering them and kept having more.
Hi RSlash, I worked in inpatient psych for a while and have worked with a few people across the age spectrum with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). From my knowledge, NPD and other cluster B personality disorders (like borderline) precipitate from a combination of genetic and environmental factors. You are much more likely to become a narcissist if you have a parent who has the disorder, and/or if you’re raised by said parent. It can also occur if you are around a lot of people outside your family (friends, teachers, coworkers) who are narcissistic because you learn those patterns of behavior. Angela in that story definitely sounds like she has narcissistic tendencies and so do the parents. This would be one hell of a case study for a psychiatrist if they ever met these people in real life.
Wow the 1st story *immediately* derailed, burst into flames, spilled toxic waste everywhere, and then proceeded to have chain detonations for miles along the track.
2nd story: Go to the police OP. Sure nothing can be done now, but make a record of her past behaviour and that she might be a threat to you and your children. She might try to steal one from school or something. If you start the record now, it will be easier to stop off or escalates. Best of luck to you and anyone else whose been through something similar.
Exactly! Came to the comments for this. People just throw around Narcissist all the time but don't really know the differences of the psychology. The sister may be a narcissist as well but she is displaying sociopathic behavior which is scary. No remorse for anything..Run!!
One of the parents at least is definitely a narcissist and the other an enabler. The classic golden child/scapegoat dichotomy. The sister definitely sounds psychopathic and like the behavior could escalate. OP is right to worry about a child in that environment, but I really think she should worry about herself. She should get far away from that sister and her bio parents.
Abuse often is too. And a pattern of escalating damaging behaviors that their enablers protect them from feeling any consequences for engaging in. She's really got a lot of the serial killer flags and it's very concerning.
"Angela was caught impaling a cat on the school fence and my parents still defended her saying this was normal teenage behaviour" WHAT THE ACTUAL F***?! I'm sad to say it but this is a hopeless situation, there is nothing Angela can do that will make their parents wake the hell up. They chose a literal psychopath as their favourite child. I really hope Angela won't ever have any children because she would without a doubt choose one to neglect and try to pin them against each other.
Story 2: I would give ANYTHING for an update where the toxic family finds Op’s reddit post… God Op…no words, your family dont even deserve the title of “trash” as that would be an insult to trash. I’m soooo glad you got away and made a new family. Good luck
The problem is that they wouldn't recognize themselves in it. They would go on about how awful, horrible, evil those people are and not realize it's them.
I'm sorry, did you say "impaled a cat on a fence"? That's legitimately psychopath behavior and that girl needs professional help, and likely to be kept in a padded room for the rest of her life.
@@thetruth1816 who knows? She may have but they don’t want to lose their golden child. Right now OPs getting her revenge by living her best life possible. If by some chance family does get in contact with OP, I recommend she bluntly tells them, “ Both myself and spouse have been sterilized since we feel that three kids is enough. I know that my oven and my hubbys batter is the only things you want from us and that will never happen. Goodbye. OP doesn’t have to be truthful since whether or not they can still have kids is no one’s business
First story: OP mentioned how attempts to open the relationship had been shut down. So he KNEW this wasn't something his ex was interested in and that there would be consequences. He's only sorry he got caught and that his actions have had consequences - not that he did them. He's ridiculous.
Story 1: Poor ex-wife. Poor children. No sympathy for "poor" OP at all. He thinks his ex's relationship moved fast? Hello? You got another woman pregnant while you were married? The one I feel the most sorry for his the baby son. He's been dealt a rotten hand for sure.
I thought that was obnoxious. "Their relationship moved fast" Dude you got baby trapped by a gold digger, and her marriage was after your love child was born, so at least a year. Trying to plant seeds that the ex wife is just as bad as he is. He's not taking real accountability. I agree though that I feel horrible for his children.
Completely agree. But I'm still stuck on how he and the ex started a relationship in middle school with a 17 year gap??? Huh?? I know someone irl who also has a 17 year gap marriage...she was an infant when he had a driver's license. How does this work?
Story 2: I really hope OP’s family doesn’t know where she lives because I’m worried about the safety of her kids. If Angela is the type of person to kill cats and thinks manipulating people for her benefit is ok and her parents are enablers, I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to kidnap Op’s kids and pass them off as Angela’s (or say “OP is SUCH an abusive person that they took her kids away and gave them to Angela”)
*First OP:* I agree with rSlash; it's hard to feel sympathetic for OP. He put himself in this situation, and he has to suffer the consequences. Best of luck to OP's son, daughter's, and ex-wife. *Second OP:* Poor OP. I'm glad she's away from those toxic people, and has made a family of her own. I hope karma hits those living things _hard._ Shoutout to OP's cousin for bringing the text to OP's attention.
That cousin would be the ONE person in that rotten family I could see keeping a relationship with. They knew something was off and told her EVERYTHING they heard. They didn't know OP had no intention to reconnect so acted in a way to protect her. That's family. Shame OP lost her entire family save one cousin...
@@yabe-kfptentacultist honestly it's for the best. The poor kid would of been set up for failure, you either get a narcissistic mama's boy or an abused girl because you know she'd be one of those moms.
@@Lrbearclaw Honestly, OP is a lot better off without those disgusting wastes of oxygen. Every last one of them, except for the cousin, are going to Hell when they die.
im kinda sympathetic for the op on the first one because my father was a similar man that would get fooled by women. He had 5 children with different women, but not once he failed any of us as a father. He was a shitty partner (altough not exactly cheating involved ), and he got into affairs with married women (one of them costed his life at the end cause the husband got him killed). But oh well, he was not a perfect man but he surely was a good father and provider. So I kinda guess. Specially cause i don't like making women inocent victims of it all with no self reflection or force of will or intelligence that just fell into "predatory men", cause women also have agency and this person has proven to be a shitty mother, a shitty person, and a manipulator. I have never cheated on my life neither i think it's worth risking what i have, but i see where he's coming from. Also my parents were separated since i was 3 and were always good friends and coparented pretty well so.. i don't get the feeling ya'll have that "a family has to be together to be a family" THAT DOESN'T MEAN I JUSTIFY HIM. Or think he's not the one to blame, or to say i dont think he deserves it and had it coming, just that i can empathize with his feelings
Story 4: You said that you've always been "the problem child" but I think it is more accurate to say you were the scapegoat for your family's issues. 😔
Holy shit the family in the second story is so toxic and Angela sounds like a straight up psychopath 😳 How do people get so monstrous that they abuse their own children like this 😔 Those parents are awful awful people. My heart's breaking for poor OP 😭
@@Ikajo I'm glad OP missed the psycho gene, but man, what a horrible way to grow up! I hope she and her family get a restraining order, at the very least.
That last story sounded like a perfect set up for pro revenge. Tell the sister you may be willing to help her IF she confessed to everything she did all throughout OP’s life. Then go off on all of them for being crappy people and leave, getting a restraining order on the way out.
You could even just get her to do it in private and record it, show it to everyone she's lied to, and then go no contact and let the cousin give you updates Edit: Also, file a restraining order against her and get some means of self-defense, because this sister is insane.
I'm betting Op's parents contacted her about her sister's miscarriage to eventually try to talk her into giving a baby to the sister. *edit; I hate being right sometimes
That first story hit me a little hard. My father went through "a mid-life crisis" when I was in high school and was hooking up with several women from a South-East Asian country my mother (his legal wife) is also from. We didn't find out until I started university and it was hell. He blamed everyone for his infidelity - my mother, even me and my younger brother. He never accepted responsibility for his actions, he never apologized for destroying our once happy family. Almost all of the women he hooked up with thought he was "rich" (we really weren't), because he was white and kept buying them gifts. Several of these women also intentionally got themselves pregnant, each of them believing he would leave my mother for them (none of them realizing my father had multiple mistresses). He also outright refused to divorce my mother, because he didn't want to pay for it, trapping my mother from pursuing another relationship. We really didn't have the money to pursue any legal action at the time.
First Story: Wow this story is a shitshow. Where do I even begin; that age gap is insane, OP's girlfriend is a legit gold digger and baby trapped OP because she was a gold digger, and OP lost the person he was with since MIDDLE SCHOOL (OP's ex-wife I'm referring to). Yeah I don’t think there is any way to salvage any of this Second Story: I didn’t finish this yet but I have to say the blantant favoritism is insane. Angela IMPALED A CAT and OP's parents try to claim that's "normal"?! What the hell is "normal" about impaling a cat!? This is not "sibling bickering" this is straight up bully and abuse. OP's parents are horrible parents and people. Oh my god, OP needs to cut any and all form of contact from these psychos. If I was OP the moment I seen that text from my horrible mom, instant block. Angela deserves to be infertile, OP's parents don’t deserve to be grandparents, and they deserve the worst. These people piss me off more and more 😡
Wait hold on around middle school you’re about 12 or 13 op is 42 and his girl is 25 so assuming she was 13 in middle school op dated her when he was 30… someone stop him he’s a whole sex offender
Last Story: When her parents or her sister try to contact OP just answer: "Who is trying to contact me? My parents? Can't be, they died when I was in high school. My Sister? I never had a sister. I was an only child." Just deny their existence. File a restraining order against the people who claim to be my family.
The first story is balm to my soul, he got EXACTLY what he deserved for what he did and I feel good imagining that happening to every cheater. I hope the daughters will find a good step dad in the wifes new husband and the son will do well. Even if he got what he deserved, no one else deserved what he did beside the girlfriend. Edit spelling, ty raphealtoid77, thought it's the same as in german, oups
I don't agree. He DID get what he deserved, but he's doing his best to make things right and to be a good father. As someone who HAD a shit father who before he passed did his best to make things right, I think the guy deserves the chance to try and do better. Not a second chance with his ex-wife and kids, they have the right to decide whether he is allowed to be in their lives, but he shuoldn't be punished forever for this, as he's clearly trying to make amends and be a better person.
@@ThisGuyandThatGuyPVG Was he being a good father when he was inserting his penis in another woman’s vagina? Taking time AWAY from his kids to be with another woman. The mistress was his PRIORITY over his kids
Story 2: if I was OP, not only would I eagerly sever contact but if they tried reaching out to me I’d just pretend I didn’t know them. Like “who dis? My parents and sister? Sorry, wrong person. I don’t have parents or a sister 🤷♀️”
@@Diamondr11Blue Indeed the phrase was originally meant for schoolyard boys who scrape their knees or tell weird fart jokes on the playground, but some bad parents use it as a way to not discipline boys for truly poor behavior like major bullying or vandalism
Story 1: I have been in the position of the daughter. My dad left my mom and I for a younger woman and he insists that I reconcile our relationship. Dont force a relationship upon them, they will hate you for it. Just like I do.
I do hope things get better for OP and especially his son. The fact that he's aware of his horrible fault in so much of this shows he's at least capable to start to improve. That's rare on this channel.
Story 1 - Ahhhhhh I get it He was with one woman since they were kids, cheated on her with some young gold digger, and is shocked that cheating just… destroys family. (Plays tiny violin)
The only relief I feel from him is that his baby momma left him so his doesn’t have to worry about his son. I’m betting that the next correspondence OP receives from family is a document from oldest daughter saying that stepdad adopted her and she changed her last name to his
*rSlash:* _”I don’t know about you guys but I’ve been able to make it from 13 to 19 without ever killing a cat!”_ *Me:* _”Uhhhhh… rSla-?”_ *rSlash:* _”Actually… my entire life, from 0 to now, never killed a cat, never killed a dog cause that’s psychotic behavior!”_ *Me:* _”Phew…”_ 😅
I love how he tries to accuse his ex wife of cheating just because he did! Or maybe she was so devasted by you cheating on her, having a child with another woman and abandoning her and your children! so maybe, just maybe she sought comfort from a good friend and they fell in love. That guy deserves everything that happened to him!
I was thinking that too - a total guilt-deflection projection move. It was already nearly impossible to feel any type of sympathy for OP but then to make that not-so-veiled accusation about his wife erased even that tiny bit of me that still wanted to try and feel sorry for him.
@@survivedandthriving Zero sympathy from the beginning. My grandfather had a Mistress and she also intentionally got pregnant and he left his 3 kids and wife for the mistress. That woman was evil. Her kids were Evil, that whole friken second family was evil.
@@slothdance2020 Fair - after years of therapy my people-pleasing instincts still want to come out sometimes. Fortunately these days, I am usually able to reevaluate and rein them in before I do something silly. I am sorry to hear that you had evilness in your family like that. I am happy to hear, however, that you are able to immediately see BS when BS is put in front of you.
@@lucianomialu9079 Also very funny how it's doesn't feel good when a "random guy" (even though op and wife already knew him and so did the girls) is around his famoly, but it's okay for him to try the same thing with his (now ex) gf.
Last story: I understand how OP feels. I was the bad kid while my siblings could do no wrong. I ran away from home at fifteen because I was tired of daily beatings, lived on the streets for three years and then managed to make a career and life for myself. Guess whose siblings all moved away, far as they could and soon as they could, and guess who ended up looking after the parents in old age. Make your own family, OP, and live your own life. Be gracious to your parents and try to forgive them, but if you can't remember that YOU get to choose their nursing home.
Story 1: I've seen one other person cover this, and I wouldn't think it would get any worse. Then I hear your reaction and realize that it really was worse
@@Weaponsexpert2453 oh yeah I never said it's illegal. But, here we see why it's almost always a terrible idea. At least, I'd say that if your age gap is that big, better not to try having a relationship. You're very likely too different.
1st story: they made their bed, now they have to lie in it. 2nd: I'm going to be sick listening to this. Sounds like Angela's long needed punishment is just beginning
Sadly the son did not choose that bed though I feel so bad for him a mother that don't want him. A father that will struggle and half siblings that wont even acknowledge him..
2nd story: It made my skin crawl when the sister stated that she wants OP to be a surrogate using the sperm of OP's already husband. OP's sister has displayed consistent psychopathic behavior (narcicism is a trait of psychopathy, but intentionally and calculated harm to herself and others just for the shake of hurting a 'target', is not your average narcissist). OP's children are not safe. So far the sister hasn't do anything that calls for police intervention, but there is no telling on what she may do once she feels slighted because "OP has refused to give her a brand new baby for too long". OP should warn the school and any caretakers about her sister and family.
In the last story, OP should've sent pictures of her happy family to the toxic sister with a text "Guess you can't copy me on this". THEN block all of them.
That could be dangerous. The crazy sister sounds like she has sociopathic tendencies. For all we know she could be angered so much that she'd hunt OP down and harm her and her family. Could totally see that happening... Best to stay the heck away!!
@@liuyushi18 EXTREMELY DANGEROUS to do this. Like you said, Angela is most likely BPD, and sending her the faces and location of OPs family is a great way to have the kids end up like that cat.
I should know to not read these comments while eating breakfast - I just had juice come out my nose reading yours - it is such a beautiful idea and I am still chuckling at it despite the juice-in-nose part. Thank you for starting my day with this chuckle and this imagining of OP getting justice in this way. That said, I tend to agree with some of the others that it could be a dangerous move on OP's part. Sister really does sound like a psychopath and there is no telling what that type of 'person' will do. Still, thank you for that beautiful image of perfect justice in my mind's eye.
Last story: Oh how I would LOVE for karma to get to Angela to the point where she eventually spills the truth to everyone. How she was the one bullying OP and framing her for everything. It would be so satisfying to see her family tear her down and then try to reconcile with OP to no avail. But sadly, I’m thinking of way too happy of an ending. We all know that even if Angela says the truth, the family (especially the parents) would just brush it off as if it wasn’t a big deal, and they will still think badly of OP. Idk, I’m just a real sucker for karma like that.
I thought at first at the second story that OP's parents were good people who were being fooled by an especially manipulative and clever 11 year old (like you know those evil kids you see in horror movies) and that sadly they truly didn't know that their younger daughter was suffering. But no after that update it's obvious that the parents weren't fooled at all. They were in on it. They are fully aware that OP has been telling the truth all along but are obviously never going to be on her side because the other daughter was their golden child. It's sickening.
But still trying to avoid responsibility. Not making an effort to make up with his daughters and still acting upset that some "stranger" replaced him.. 10+ years is not a stranger. He is the stranger to his kids. What a fool. He's learned absolutely nothing. He's still blaming others for his issues and mistakes. An example, if your business required outside funding to keep going, it really was a shitty business model and not run properly. He'd rather have someone who hates him in his life than be alone. He's not even taking responsibility for his own mental health or situation. Because that would require work and effort.. which he is absolutely not willing to do... even for his daughters.
I don't. He was dumb as fuck, stay to finish. Nothing about that dude deserves an ounce of respect. Even worse because he brought a kid into his life that's already down a mom negate of his bullshit. They child is already traumatized and doesn't even know it yet. PoS father of the decade
That is true, as very few people can do that. However I can't respect that even when accepting that he's at fault the cheating OP in Story #1 tries to play victim to a degree.
I noticed in that story that he said his ex was supportive of the daughters staying in contact, but all of a sudden they want to cut contact? I find it a bit strange but it could either be OP’s wording or something else.
For the last story, I would've mailed her a cocomelon doll or something, with a little bote reading "congratulations, you're now a proud mother of two!" (With the two crossed out and replaced with one.) Then, just to add a little more infertile icing on the cake, get her a gift card to buy buy baby!
The story about the lying, abusive sister: Karma ALWAYS catches up to you. You might not get the payback for years and years but, it always gets you in the end. You might not show it to those you've wronged but you'll live in misery secretly. When someone wrongs me, I try to right my life and don't worry about revenge because karma does that for me. I hope OP's parents learn the truth about what really happened someday and feel awful for the remaining part of their lives. You don't pick and choose which child you love and support.
Then the parents will be crying for OP to come back when Angela refuses to take care of their ailing asses in a retirement home somewhere or when Angela earns herself prison time for screwing over the wrong people
The OP from the last story should write a book about her childhood, the Titel could be: "growing up watching a narcissist being raised" Or something on those lines. Also props to the cousin she seems ok and like she's not buying OPs parents bullshit
This story is almost exactly like what I’m currently going through. My parents were separated for a bit over a year, and my dad cheated on my mom with a married woman he was having a fling with during their break. The other woman got pissy when my dad(for lack of a better word) broke it off, so she got my mom’s number from his phone behind his back and contacted her. She also sent my mom a VERY detailed letter about what she and my dad did romantically and sexually. The other woman said she got pregnant and lost the baby, and apparently they were very sad about it. All my dad does is tell my mom to “ignore her”, and that she’s a liar when he was literally messaging her when he got back together with my mom. He even went on a trip with the other woman when he had gotten back with my mom. My mom has had multiple breakdowns and feels completely unsafe at home. One breakdown almost made her flee the country. My brother is active duty in the military, and I’m away at grad school. We can’t visit home as much as we’d like. We absolutely hate him for what he has done. We were fine before he came back, and we were helping her manage dealing with an empty nest. There’s no trust. We have caught him in multiple lies. I can’t even look at him without getting mad. Whenever he speaks with me, it has to be short conversations or else I’ll feel like I’ll take my anger out at him. I know it’s unhealthy, but my mom is keeping him around to finish projects at home. Until then, we’ll have to put up with him. I have absolutely no respect for him. I want to believe him when he says he’s telling the truth, but I just can’t. He’s in his mid-50s, but acts like he’s still mentally developing. He says he’s “still being punished” for what he did, and it just pisses me off even more because he thinks everything will be ok if we just forget about it. It’s not that simple.
Maybe he deserves to still be punished for what he did. Cheating in a marriage destroys so much trust that it's hard to get it back for a long time. My brother-in-law cheated on my sister-in-law a few years ago, and to this day she still has trust issues. Like recently he had to go out of town for training and she packed up the kids and went with him for the couple of days it lasted. I personally don't think he'd ever cheat on her again but apparently she's still trying to build up that trust. I've never been cheated on so I can't imagine how horrible it would be to lose trust in a partner like that.
something in the first story caught my attention (the whole thing really did but one thing stuck out). 2:16 op says, "I did not seek alimony." but HE cheated cheaters DON'T GET ALIMONY, they PAY IT. he's damn lucky his ex didn't seek alimony and CHILD SUPPORT, she could have gotten both easily and really screwed him over for screwing his receptionist.
2nd Story: Honestly, that family will most definitely reap what they've sowed when we our maker. To the OP, focus on bringing happiness to your own family now. When your kids are older, have a talk with them. Tell them the truth and tell them to expect the lies of her former family.
Lol the last story, OP should verbally "agree" to carry the baby, get their hopes up, and then when the baby arrives be like "what? This is mine and my husband's baby. I have no idea what you're talking about being a surrogate. " just to dash their hopes.
First story: I heard this one before. OP is so much of a butthole. He ruined his life beyond repair and is looking for any kind of simpathy he doesn't even deserve. OP says he deserves the blame and he's a horrible person, but he doesn't believe it because this story is obviously steered to gain pity.
Damn, Op and his girlfriend really deserved each other! I usually root for those relationships because it clears out the toxic sludge for the rest of the species. It exactly looks like he always wanted a son from the daughter's perspective, although we know it was 100% only about Op feeling cool. They see him throw their mother's life into a tail spin to move in with a woman barely older than the eldest and his brand new son. We know Op wanted to make it work to save his image but the daughters don't. Dude ruined his life, irreversibly gave 4 (probably 5) kids daddy issues, and destroyed his wife just to get some young strange that backfired beautifully... this needs to be one of those Darr Mahn skits lmao 🤣
Story 2: op should sue their sister. I don't know if there is a statutory limit on this, but sharing nude photos of a minor is illegal and considered possession of CP. Even if the one sharing is a minor, if the limit hasn't already passed I believe she can still get in trouble for it
I feel sorry for the baby boy in Story 1. He's blameless, but his sisters hate him just because his parents are awful. I hope they can see him as their brother one day. They're his only chance at having a decent family.
The idea of having two sets of grandparents is so weird to me that I can't comprehend what that would be like. Technically I do see my grandma on my dad's side but it's just not the same and so whenever I say my grandparents I'm specifically talking about my mom's parents.
Oh yeah that first story really broke my heart. I mean, he did it to himself. I understand that his daughters don't want to see him. But, if I got a letter like that from my daughter, I'd probably myself. Well, he does have another kid, which is probably keeping him going, but honestly, this is just terrible. It's a great warning to all of us that one night of fun CAN actually destroy your entire life.
Who else is thinking that the reason for why OP got so angry that his ex wife moved on and got remarried to another man is because he thought he had another shot with her, and was upset when he realised that he no longer had a chance with her? Also, why do I get the feeling that he's trying to turn the script against his ex wife, especially in regards to their daughters? At the end, he literally says that he hopes his daughters 'grow up' and once they have more life experience, they can understand what happened. It's like he's literally blaming his ex wife for the reason for why HE CHEATED and DESTROYED his family.
Story 2: As somebody who studies Psychology frequently, narcissism and killing animals is some of the biggest signs of being a psychopath. When OP's sister killed that cat, I can bet you she felt absolutely no guilt whatsoever. Psychopaths almost never have any feeling of guilt or remorse. The only time psychopaths "show" emotion is when they are manipulating somebody for something.
2nd story: OP's sister isn't just a narcissist, she is a straight up sociopath. Impaling cats is something sociopaths do. She doesn't have empathy for anyone else, having a baby is just a way to keep the attention on her, because eventually the parents will have other things to do. I'm an only and, as much as my parents love me, they would spend less time with us if it wasn't for their granddaughter. (Like they moved to be closer to us specifically because of her.) OP is doing the right thing by cutting all contact. She shouldn't out her cousin though, the cousin is a mensch.
Tell your mom: “No, you’re not. Because apparently her abusing me is worth kicking me out. I don’t care. I gave you chance after chance, but clearly she’s your golden child and I’ll always be the scapegoat. She made my life a living hell, and you just watched. As far as I’m concerned: this miscarriage is the universe protecting that child from her, and you. You don’t consider my children your grandchildren, you’ve made that pretty clear. Goodbye. Don’t contact me again.”
Story: Bruhhhh, a cheater wants sympathy and people feeling bad for him? Cheaters are people we can never feel sorry for, EVER, no matter the reason or justification for it.
The only sympathy I have is that I understand being curious about other relationship experiences. I mean this guy was with his ex wife since potentially before they were teenagers. I get why he was curious, but obviously cheating is not the answer.
I do, but only because I'm a dad and I know how that letter must have made him feel. However, that doesn't mean I don't also believe that he did it to himself. He's a grave warning for all of us. Don't let temptation destroy your family.
I am one of the few who actually feel sorry for everyone involved in the first story (except the mistress). The ex-wife, daughters, and son for obvious reason. But even OP. He fucked up bad, and he knows it. He destroyed everything he had, and robbed his daughters of a father. I feel bad for him, because he now realises just how much of a blithering idiot he was, and now has to live with the guilt that comes from systematically dismantling his entire life, and hurting everyone else in the process. He's LUCKY his ex-wife is gracious enough, to allow him a small window into the life he left behind. He doesn't deserve it, but she still does it for him.
I don’t feel bad for him at all. He was thinking with the wrong head so he gets what he deserves. Everyone in the post terrible except OPs first family. I hope they never speak to him again.
If they were together since middle school, and OP is 17 years older, he basically groomed a minor and is probably twisting the story to make himself seem better, or he's deluded
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@@anyatyler826, everyone except OPs first wife is horrible in that story. His daughters hate a baby they've never met, because why? Having the audacity to have been born?
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@@UltimateAlphaFox96, maybe I wasn't listening too closely (played this in the background while taking a bath), but I understood it as it being 17 years between OP and the new girlfriend but that it was OP and his _wife_ that met in middle school? Otherwise, OP was held back for quite some time. ;-)
2nd Story: Killing/hurting animals is one of the signs of sociopathy. And OP's sister is a narcissist which shares many traits with sociopathy... well she might actually be sociopathy which is scary but I'm no doctor.
First story, quite frankly OP deserved everything and then some. What did they expect from cheating on his wife like that? I'm waiting to for another update and hearing he lost his son because they didn't want op in his life. Second story, good. OP's sister has no right to a child just as no child deserves to have a monster like that in their life. I mean, no one deserves to have OP's sister in their life really. Good on OP for going no contact with her family like that. Hopefully OP's sister's husband bails or winds up too toxic for her.
The last story should just post all of their irl info on a local town newspaper and why child abusers should never have kids. Her parents are abusive. Her sister is abusive and they're enabling it. So call them all out and let the town rip them to shreds for the shit they had you go through. Scrutiny is allowed when there's no justice. And I'm a 100% sure you can file for all the abuse and harassment so they're forced to pay you out. As well as your sister going to jail for distributing actual irl cp as you were a minor.
The only advice I can offer op is to give his daughters space, while maintaining being in their corner - only time can really tell if this can ever be salvaged Aside from that him and the new one both deserve everything they got
First story: I don't think OP realizes he doesn't really love his wife as much as he says. He wouldn't have been in this mess if he did, literally getting with the first person other than his wife. The poor son didn't deserve to be a part of this.
Story 2 hit hard for me I lived that life but I was kicked out at the age of 16. Thank God my Friend owned a apartment and gave me a studio said payment is only good grades.
I feel so bad for the son in that first story. He was born into such a shitty situation. His mother doesn't want him, his half-sisters want nothing to do with him, and his dad sounds like he's struggling to get by day by day. I pray that kid has a good life. Hopefully with time the three daughters will heal and attempt to make contact with him so he doesn't have to grow up alone in such a shitty situation.
Having psychopaths in my family, no, they ARE just born that way. Dad has disturbing behavior documented from a very young age, like 1st grade. They can be made, but are often just born that way and there's nothing you can do but protect yourself.
Second story: I also already hear this one. OP is so far from being horrible. His sister is a toxic piece of trash and the parents are enablers playing favorites.
Yeah. And part of me wants to those idiot read this and see what people think about them(Angela and the parents are idiots and horrible people). Maybe that will open their eyes, or maybe not. Narcissists are shit because they always blame others for their own mistakes. Although if you burst the narcissist's bubble, they can become dangerous. Besides, Angela seems to be not only jealous as hell, but also very unbalanced. And that treatment of the cat also brings the question of whether she is also either a sociopath or a psychopath. People like that also have those narcissistic traits, and get their kicks out of seeing others suffer.
Uncorrected sociopathy and psychopathy being the road to narcissism is a new take. I can believe toxic families make narcissism worse, but I've seen narcissism come from perfectly healthy families too. I don't know what my sister's excuse is, out of the two. She was definitely disciplined for bad behavior but it made her double down
First story: I think what OP hasn't fully internalized is that if he wants to ever truly have a relationship with his kids, he has to be sorry that he cheated, NOT that his cheating didn't go the way he planned. It's absolutely the daughter's right not to forgive him. Also, I suspect that, even assuming he's telling the truth, the kids aren't really equipped to disentangle "leaving their mother" with "abandoning them," so since OP left to take care of his son, that is why the girls see that as replacing them with a son. Also, that's not psychotic-that girl knew damn well what she was doing the whole time.
Story 2: it's the second time I'm listening to this story And even having already heard everything, I'm bawling my eyes out AGAIN This is one of the worst stories I've ever seen on theses subreddits It kills me, this hurts
Am I the only one that wanted to scream when the OP from the first story had the nerve to say he didn't appreciate another man being in his home he didn't know about, and low key accusing that his wife was seeing someone before they divorced? Sir, you're the LAST person allowed to make that kind of comment.
That second story was wild because the sister kept stealing OP's bfs growing up and then when they got into contact with OP once again, the first thing the sister does is try to steal OP's husband in a roundabout way lol
Only open the doors of the walls are stable. Adding more people can be wonderful (I joined a throuple) but my partners were already both poly-curious and had individual crushes on me (and I on them). No pressure on anyone, just communication and consent.
I think that OP’s parents in the second story did her a favor by kicking her out. She’s now free to be whoever she wants. I hope she’s found peace having her own family 🖤 And yeah it’s totally true that narcissists are made. My ex’s brother checks ever symptom of narcissism! And funny enough, he’s the most insecure person I know. I’m sure OP’s sister is the same. I think she wants children for the social status to feel more important
Story 2: They literally raised a sociopath. Killing a cat and being able to persuade people into believing you, especially that many, is literally insane.
You need to go and stay NC. These people are nuts.
Absolutely!
The school should have gotten CPS/Animal rescue/protect involved, hell the school should have gotten police involved. As soon as the cat was brought up I immediately hated "Angela" no normal person abuses anyone. Excuse me while i go cuddle my cat and give her extra treats.
@@FeatherFall101 I was wondering why the school didn’t get further involved when they noticed the ongoing treatment of OP and seeing no changes in Angela’s behavior
@@lorilancaster5917 if I had to guess. Either OP comes from Money meaning they could make the STFU, they did try but it got them nowhere other than the parents scolding them or the school didn't give that much of a shit after a while
Story 2: Angela isn’t just a narcissist. She’s probably also a psychopath. Abusing animals and siblings is very typical behaviour of psychopaths.
It's actually one of the hallmarks of serial killers. Maiming, harming, abusing, and killing animals is how a lot of them start. Now, I'm not trying to imply that Angela is a serial-killer-in-the-making, but to say the cat incident is a red flag is the understatement of the millennium. Angela is a psychopath. Period.
Malignant narcissism
1. Psychopathy and narcissism are _not_ comorbid, pick one. 2. No, abusing animals and siblings are _not_ typical behaviors of psychopaths and I'm assuming you'd find it quite insulting if I suggested that it's typical behaviors of neurotypicals, even though more neurotypicals than psychopaths engage in said behaviors (both of them).
@My father is a psychopath. He abused us all and tried to strangle my cat to hurt my mom. We also found a bloody knife in the basement about 10 years ago. I still wonder who all he hurt in his day. I know of at least 1 hit and run from 20 years ago, no clue if the person lived.
@@HaleyJo1992, yes, _some_ psychopaths are assh*les. So are some neurotypicals. Nobody has ever claimed that all psychopaths are good people.
Hurting animals is the sign of a psychopath. So her nasty behavior could be an indication that she was heading down that road honestly.
Yup, and the parents did nothing and said it's normal even. Think OP got born into a family of psychos
Which is why I'm so glad she won't have any kids! We already have too many poor souls growing up with cruel psycho narcissistic parents
It's also a sign of a serial killer. After reading this story I wouldn't be suprised. This lady made my blood boil and so did ops parents.
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Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive. Serial killers like Charles Manson, Jack the Ripper and Ed Gein were psychopaths. While not all psychopaths are serial killers, multiple of them are
So is the narcissism and manipulation. Psychopath often come off as very charming. fMRI studies have been done that show differences in the brains of psychopaths, there have also been genetic markers identified. That being said there are people with one or both of those who don't show the symptoms of psychopathy. So nurture is believed to play a part in psychopath development.
2nd story: OP should be very alerted to her "former" family and her psycho sister showing up near her and her children. I can totally see the sister enraged at not getting what she wanted and coming to destroy OP's happy family because of it. Be aware of a highly potential murderer!!!
Oh, most definitely. A restraining order won't help. People walk through those, all the time, and if they plan to kill you, they won't give a shit about one piece of paper. My advice? Cut all forms of contact. Even remote ones, unless you are absolutely certain they won't relay info back. Friends, family, friends of friends. Completely drop off their radar. Move. Get a new job. Change your name if you have to. Fucking vanish. *Do not let them know anything about you.*
@@maxbaker7841 One hell of an alarm system in the new house, too, just for good measure.
@@maxbaker7841 Install security cameras.
@@maxbaker7841 Well, a restraining order might be useful for the parents. They aren't as violent as Angela so they would likely show up just to guilt trip her OP and apply pressure to her, which a restraining order would then allow her to have them arrested for. Angela on the other hand, as violent as she is there is a significant chance she could hurt OP before the cops get there in time
@@maxbaker7841 Oh, I agree. If her parents never believed OP's side in the first place they would likely slip up by gossiping with friends or relatives who made no such promise,or even go out of their way to help 'fix' sisters relationship by providing Angela if not OP's adress, contact info, etc then enough 'insignificant' clues to piece it out herself.
For the first story, I feel bad for the son in all of this. He’s got no mother, half siblings who want nothing to do with him, and a father who sounds like he’ll be living paycheck to paycheck. He was brought into a shitty situation by two incredibly selfish people.
Literally the only reason I genuinely hope op finds a good wife and is able to make up with his daughters is so his son can have more family to support him, unfortunately I don't really imagine either of those things will happen, at least not anytime soon.
Hopefully, op has the good sense to not tell his son about his siblings. The girls may change their minds in time but the son can't really miss what he doesn't know about.
@@theickster3008 No, OP should unalive himself. Since the son is still little, there's a chance he'll be adopted into a loving family with money.
My parents lived paycheck to paycheck growing up and it was fine. They still made sure I had clothes and food.
I do feel bad for the father a little though. He was putting in the effort to show his daughters he still cares for them and that he is actually owning up to his mistakes- for the love of god- they Where together FROM HIGHSCHOOL- I get that he felt curiosity and never had the opportunity to find his "desires" but it still doesn't excuse him cheating on her. I do still hope the daughters eventually grow older and try to amend things as it's clear they're bio dad is literally giving up on his life. He is understandably depressed and the only thing pushing him forward is his son....
The parents in the last story created a complete monster. Shame on them. Honestly, I'm also glad that Angela is infertile because that way she can't manipulate and ruin her own children's lives. She would be a horrible mother.
Glad she also doesn’t want to adopt. However I hoped that if she tried the evaluation would verify that she’s psycho
I honestly think her being infertile is a first step karma warning if she doesn't fix that attitude
In 6 or more years from now, they'll be totally bewildered and cry "what did we do wrong when we did everything right" when Angela goes to prison for murdering someone. Maybe it's her boyfriend/husband who tried to leave her or maybe it's Grandma Jane because Angela wants life insurance money
@@ahstiasummers5583 Knowing her, what would she do to a child? Im not saying 100% that she'd do something, but the girl impaled cats who did nothing to her, so how well would do with a fussy baby, a loud toddler, or even a moody teenager.
Also, she literally committed a crime by spreading child pornography of her sister that she gained through false pretenses
Gotta love the entitlement in Story 2. "We gaslit you your whole life and disowned you over a half-assed sob story, now come back so we can use your and your husband's bodies for your abuser's whims. Don't worry, we'll disown you again when we're done."
I don't think I've ever felt that uncomfortable listening to a reddit story.
Yeah. That's...emotional abuse. SA, financial abuse...all wrapped up in one big ugly bow.
I thought my family was warped.
And it sounds like sis wants the upper hand again by wanting OPs spouse’s sperm and not her husband’s to create a child.
@@BronzeDragon133 OP'S family its like a family from hell. And i praised op for cutting her family out of their life.
Right! Not a single word about regret for what they put OP though or trying to mend their relationship with her at all... Classic "golden child" and "scapegoat" dynamic and they will never see it any other way... They had YEARS of proof from the school of who the real bully was but protected/believed only her still... They don't deserve OP let alone any (grand)kids they try to have...
The cousin who shared that thread is a hero. Obviously not everybody buys the family BS about OP.
That second story is a classic narcissistic family dynamic. Not only is the sister a narcissist, but the parents are narcissists who made Angela the golden child and OP the scapegoat.
Her sister is not a narcissist
@@lizzymandile2022 She absolutely is, and potentially a sociopath too.
@@nicorizzo5402 She IS a psychopath or sociopath but maybe not a narcissist. There is a difference and there are people more qualified than me to explain it
@@alphysundertale4652 I know very well what a narcissist is and she is one. I have more psychology training than you seem to understand.
@@nicorizzo5402 Narcissist with some sociopathy, perhaps? Because killing that cat is straight-up UNHINGED.
Story 2: I feel like OP needs self defense(gun, guard dog, etc) because the parents and the sister sound dangerously unhinged. Like break into the house kind of unhinged.
With that track record we might as well expect the sister could plan to imoale ops kids, the way she's messed up.
Op absolutely should get some form of defense.
And @bloxnirogaming5269 you are right op's parents and Angela sound like menaces to society.
Moving away and deleting her contacts might help allot. I see those people are out of touch with the world and they do not really see what is acceptable and what is not.
Honestly. I wouldn't put it past them to commit SA to get what they want.
Like break into the house, tie down OP, force insemination, and then hold hostage for 9 months to bear the child so the sister can get what she wants levels of insane?
The last story hurts my heart. I grew up in a family like that. My bad aunt made up a bunch of lies about my good aunt, stole her boyfriends, was over all a terrible sister and a HORRIBLE person, and ultimately got her ostracized from the family for selfish gain and the whole family (not me though) pretends like she never existed, and now that my mom is dead she is pretending like my mom never existed either. Some people are pure evil and will never feel bad about hurting others to make themselves look better.
Do you refer to her as “aunt Kathy”
Enough has been said about the first story, but that second one…wow. OP’s mother (“Aunt Kathy” from the perspective of her cousin) is as big a narcissist as Angela is. This whole situation is seriously messed up, and while I am a firm believer that OP shouldn’t twist her life around her abusive family, this is worth moving half way across the country/world to get as far away from them as possible.
Agreed 100%. I would absolutely move across the country, change phone numbers, use one of those services to remove your information from the internet, and go 100% no contact from the whole family. That family is far too toxic to be salvaged.
Agreed, those people sound entitled and out of touch with reality and norms, like impaling a cat is normal teen behavior for the parents.
This tells allot about their mindset and view of reality. Op should move away, change her contacts and never contact those pieces of trash who seem not so sane in their head.
And I also fear, if op will get in touch with her parents, her bitch sister might compete with op over who is a better mom and also the bitch sister will try to steal op`s husband.
I wouldn't. I **would** get that restraining order now tho. Don't wait.
And nothing of value was lost...OP now cut contact with those shitty parents and that sister, she has a family and should not even worry about what to tell her kids, just say their grandparents are dead e move on. Why waste time explaining all that happened to her kids when she can just say "they are dead, lets go to the park and have fun"
I grew up in a family similar to this - narc mother + likely psychopath, golden child brother (who also murdered a cat). I moved pretty much across the continent - one coast of North America to the other. It took a little while for me to finally go no contact - the brainwashing is strong - but with therapy, hard work, and support of loving people in my life I did it 13 years ago this month.
Best decision I ever made was to leave these toxic people behind. It was difficult, and some days still is, but worth every bit of it - living with and being forced to drink their poison everyday was far more difficult than anything I experienced since I cut them from my life.
I'm so glad the woman in the last story is fully breaking off contact. It's the stories where one or more victims never even try to escape, that really disturb me. By contrast, this one left me with a feeling of relief.
I feel terrible for OP's son in the first story. The poor boy has zero faults about any of this, yet his mother doesn't care about him and literally abandoned him, while his half-siblings want nothing to do with him and refuse to even acknowledge him. I hope at least OP manages to make up for all his mistakes by giving his son all the love and support he needs. Poor kid has nobody else. ;(
except rslash didn't even bother giving him support or advice, like op asked
@@topasu9454 rslash has been going downhill lately, he either needs to take a break or stop doing stories all together
@topasu I'm generally curious, what advice can you give? Give his son love and support? I mean he's already doing that, I can't really support the guy since he's the reason his whole life imploded.
@@topasu9454 what advice do you want to him to give? Reddit does that for him. And this is best of Redditor updates. It’s a story where people already got answers to their questions. There’s nothing Rslash can say to help this guy.
Yes, sympathize with the pedophile. His children and his family are cursed, they're all kinda fucked.
Story 2: I'm just really happy that it seems OP's family (especially her mom) isn't super intelligent, because the way she went about it immediately raised red flags. Like, if someone who's ACTUALLY good at manipulating would do it, they'd first be all apologetic and try to lower OP's defenses before asking for the surrogacy. But the text she sent after years of no contact would make all walls around someone shoot up XD
I think it is a combination of that level of stupidity but also that level of entitlement. People like OP's mother (and frankly like my mother) genuinely think that it is perfectly fine to send that type of text because they (the texters) (in their minds) never did anything wrong, and that by now 'OP should be over whatever overly-emotional snit she got in' and so be ready to 'return to the family'. These garbage-people never think they are wrong so never believe than anyone has genuine cause to be angry at them.
The cousin spilled the tea on the parents. They knew all along and are just as bad as the daughter. The mom may be delusional but she's just as manipulative.
@@survivedandthriving just like my abusive family i went no-contact w on saturday..
@@maris7457 hugs!
@@maris7457 I am sorry to hear that you too have a family like this, but happy that you are taking steps to protect yourself.
I too send hugs!
Story 2: Geez, that whole family is f**ked up, except for the cousin, I guess.
I'm glad that OP has completely cut them out, they really see OP as nothing but waste to be thrown away.
No child would last long in that house
The golden child would “last”, by growing up into another narcissistic abuser of whatever unfortunate sibling mama decided was the permanent scapegoat.
Any child the sister would have would definitely be abused the moment it wasn’t cute anymore, but that feels like it’d be especially true if Op would’ve agreed to surrogate a baby for them. They’d be using her egg and her husband’s sperm- that would just be Op’s baby that she gifted to her dickhead sister.
You can’t tell me Angela wouldn’t abuse a baby that would remind her of her sister.
No, they don't treat her like trash. They treat her like a disposable tool, to be used and then thrown away when it's no longer useful
I’d be afraid the sister would be like the mom who purposely murdered her babies. People would feel so sorry for her that she lost her children to SIDS. When she was actually smothering them and kept having more.
Keep the cousin. Cut off the rest.
Hi RSlash, I worked in inpatient psych for a while and have worked with a few people across the age spectrum with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). From my knowledge, NPD and other cluster B personality disorders (like borderline) precipitate from a combination of genetic and environmental factors. You are much more likely to become a narcissist if you have a parent who has the disorder, and/or if you’re raised by said parent. It can also occur if you are around a lot of people outside your family (friends, teachers, coworkers) who are narcissistic because you learn those patterns of behavior. Angela in that story definitely sounds like she has narcissistic tendencies and so do the parents. This would be one hell of a case study for a psychiatrist if they ever met these people in real life.
Wow the 1st story *immediately* derailed, burst into flames, spilled toxic waste everywhere, and then proceeded to have chain detonations for miles along the track.
Then got sucked into a sun that then went supernova
Nice descriptive imagery
Ohio?
And yet this wonderfully colorful yet accurate description could not prepare me for that very first sentence, actually kill me like please
Derailed a steam train carrying explosives and flammable liquids into a hole filled with gasoline and kerosine and then lit it on fire
2nd story: Go to the police OP. Sure nothing can be done now, but make a record of her past behaviour and that she might be a threat to you and your children. She might try to steal one from school or something. If you start the record now, it will be easier to stop off or escalates.
Best of luck to you and anyone else whose been through something similar.
Last story: OP's sister is not a narcisist! She's a psychopath! That's Criminal Minds level sociopathic behavior.
Exactly! Came to the comments for this. People just throw around Narcissist all the time but don't really know the differences of the psychology. The sister may be a narcissist as well but she is displaying sociopathic behavior which is scary. No remorse for anything..Run!!
This!
I grew up with a narcissist and a psychopath. They are both terrible POS people, but there is a difference. OP's sister is a psychopath.
One of the parents at least is definitely a narcissist and the other an enabler. The classic golden child/scapegoat dichotomy.
The sister definitely sounds psychopathic and like the behavior could escalate. OP is right to worry about a child in that environment, but I really think she should worry about herself. She should get far away from that sister and her bio parents.
Yes, as I pointed out in my comment, killing small animals when younger is something often seen in the profiles of serial killers.
Abuse often is too. And a pattern of escalating damaging behaviors that their enablers protect them from feeling any consequences for engaging in. She's really got a lot of the serial killer flags and it's very concerning.
"Angela was caught impaling a cat on the school fence and my parents still defended her saying this was normal teenage behaviour" WHAT THE ACTUAL F***?! I'm sad to say it but this is a hopeless situation, there is nothing Angela can do that will make their parents wake the hell up. They chose a literal psychopath as their favourite child. I really hope Angela won't ever have any children because she would without a doubt choose one to neglect and try to pin them against each other.
Story 2: I would give ANYTHING for an update where the toxic family finds Op’s reddit post…
God Op…no words, your family dont even deserve the title of “trash” as that would be an insult to trash. I’m soooo glad you got away and made a new family. Good luck
The problem is that they wouldn't recognize themselves in it. They would go on about how awful, horrible, evil those people are and not realize it's them.
They'd probably start spreading hate toward the one cousin who clued the OP on the plan of Angela & her parents.
@@dx1450 Or that OP keeps stealing Angela’s babies
Toxic family never think it's their fault though. They would always blame others for "if only you just gave in then this wouldn't have happened"
I'm sorry, did you say "impaled a cat on a fence"? That's legitimately psychopath behavior and that girl needs professional help, and likely to be kept in a padded room for the rest of her life.
The final story... my heart is racing and I'm shaking... I hate parents like that. I'm not angry, I don't know what I am. I just know I hate it...
The parents are disgusting! How much you wanna bet the sister is hell-bent on getting a child so she can "beat" OP as a mom?
I want Angela to actually turn her rage and narcissistic tendency towards them... it will be funny what they're reaction will be...
@@thetruth1816 who knows? She may have but they don’t want to lose their golden child. Right now OPs getting her revenge by living her best life possible. If by some chance family does get in contact with OP, I recommend she bluntly tells them, “ Both myself and spouse have been sterilized since we feel that three kids is enough. I know that my oven and my hubbys batter is the only things you want from us and that will never happen. Goodbye.
OP doesn’t have to be truthful since whether or not they can still have kids is no one’s business
@Lori Lancaster or just tell them " I don't talk to imposter since my mom died on the day she booted me out and believed the liar"..
I was genuinely fuming hearing this story. I know a similar real life story and the psycho has a baby...
First story: OP mentioned how attempts to open the relationship had been shut down. So he KNEW this wasn't something his ex was interested in and that there would be consequences. He's only sorry he got caught and that his actions have had consequences - not that he did them. He's ridiculous.
Story 1: Poor ex-wife. Poor children. No sympathy for "poor" OP at all. He thinks his ex's relationship moved fast? Hello? You got another woman pregnant while you were married? The one I feel the most sorry for his the baby son. He's been dealt a rotten hand for sure.
I thought that was obnoxious. "Their relationship moved fast" Dude you got baby trapped by a gold digger, and her marriage was after your love child was born, so at least a year. Trying to plant seeds that the ex wife is just as bad as he is. He's not taking real accountability. I agree though that I feel horrible for his children.
Completely agree. But I'm still stuck on how he and the ex started a relationship in middle school with a 17 year gap??? Huh?? I know someone irl who also has a 17 year gap marriage...she was an infant when he had a driver's license. How does this work?
@@marissabrown2768 no, OP and his GIRLFRIEND had a 17 year age gap, op and his EX-WIFE were together since middle school
@@jeriko_studios Ohhhhhh! That makes so much more sense. Thank you
No. It is too fast. It is endangering his daughters. He has every reason to be concerned.
Story 2: I really hope OP’s family doesn’t know where she lives because I’m worried about the safety of her kids. If Angela is the type of person to kill cats and thinks manipulating people for her benefit is ok and her parents are enablers, I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to kidnap Op’s kids and pass them off as Angela’s (or say “OP is SUCH an abusive person that they took her kids away and gave them to Angela”)
*First OP:* I agree with rSlash; it's hard to feel sympathetic for OP. He put himself in this situation, and he has to suffer the consequences. Best of luck to OP's son, daughter's, and ex-wife.
*Second OP:* Poor OP. I'm glad she's away from those toxic people, and has made a family of her own. I hope karma hits those living things _hard._ Shoutout to OP's cousin for bringing the text to OP's attention.
That cousin would be the ONE person in that rotten family I could see keeping a relationship with. They knew something was off and told her EVERYTHING they heard. They didn't know OP had no intention to reconnect so acted in a way to protect her.
That's family. Shame OP lost her entire family save one cousin...
I mean the sister being infertile is one part of the karma if that counts...
@@yabe-kfptentacultist honestly it's for the best. The poor kid would of been set up for failure, you either get a narcissistic mama's boy or an abused girl because you know she'd be one of those moms.
@@Lrbearclaw Honestly, OP is a lot better off without those disgusting wastes of oxygen. Every last one of them, except for the cousin, are going to Hell when they die.
im kinda sympathetic for the op on the first one because my father was a similar man that would get fooled by women. He had 5 children with different women, but not once he failed any of us as a father. He was a shitty partner (altough not exactly cheating involved ), and he got into affairs with married women (one of them costed his life at the end cause the husband got him killed). But oh well, he was not a perfect man but he surely was a good father and provider. So I kinda guess. Specially cause i don't like making women inocent victims of it all with no self reflection or force of will or intelligence that just fell into "predatory men", cause women also have agency and this person has proven to be a shitty mother, a shitty person, and a manipulator.
I have never cheated on my life neither i think it's worth risking what i have, but i see where he's coming from.
Also my parents were separated since i was 3 and were always good friends and coparented pretty well so.. i don't get the feeling ya'll have that "a family has to be together to be a family"
THAT DOESN'T MEAN I JUSTIFY HIM. Or think he's not the one to blame, or to say i dont think he deserves it and had it coming, just that i can empathize with his feelings
Story 4: You said that you've always been "the problem child" but I think it is more accurate to say you were the scapegoat for your family's issues. 😔
Holy shit the family in the second story is so toxic and Angela sounds like a straight up psychopath 😳
How do people get so monstrous that they abuse their own children like this 😔 Those parents are awful awful people. My heart's breaking for poor OP 😭
Sociopath, lacks empathy but is a master manipulator.
She'd probably inflict abuse on the child.
Psychopathy is in large genetic. Meaning that it is likely the parents might have similar tendencies.
@@Ikajo I'm glad OP missed the psycho gene, but man, what a horrible way to grow up! I hope she and her family get a restraining order, at the very least.
I genuinely think Angela is a mixture of a Psychopath and a Sociopath.
But thats just me.
That last story sounded like a perfect set up for pro revenge. Tell the sister you may be willing to help her IF she confessed to everything she did all throughout OP’s life. Then go off on all of them for being crappy people and leave, getting a restraining order on the way out.
Somebody find OP's account and suggest that before it's too late! Hurry! These people need some reality sauce!
You could even just get her to do it in private and record it, show it to everyone she's lied to, and then go no contact and let the cousin give you updates
Edit: Also, file a restraining order against her and get some means of self-defense, because this sister is insane.
I'm betting Op's parents contacted her about her sister's miscarriage to eventually try to talk her into giving a baby to the sister.
*edit; I hate being right sometimes
But did you guess they wanted her husband’s sperm? Wow! Their audacity!
Yeah, knowing that Angela was infertile, I expected the same thing given that the family clearly had no other use for OP.
That first story hit me a little hard. My father went through "a mid-life crisis" when I was in high school and was hooking up with several women from a South-East Asian country my mother (his legal wife) is also from. We didn't find out until I started university and it was hell. He blamed everyone for his infidelity - my mother, even me and my younger brother. He never accepted responsibility for his actions, he never apologized for destroying our once happy family. Almost all of the women he hooked up with thought he was "rich" (we really weren't), because he was white and kept buying them gifts. Several of these women also intentionally got themselves pregnant, each of them believing he would leave my mother for them (none of them realizing my father had multiple mistresses). He also outright refused to divorce my mother, because he didn't want to pay for it, trapping my mother from pursuing another relationship. We really didn't have the money to pursue any legal action at the time.
First Story: Wow this story is a shitshow. Where do I even begin; that age gap is insane, OP's girlfriend is a legit gold digger and baby trapped OP because she was a gold digger, and OP lost the person he was with since MIDDLE SCHOOL (OP's ex-wife I'm referring to). Yeah I don’t think there is any way to salvage any of this
Second Story: I didn’t finish this yet but I have to say the blantant favoritism is insane. Angela IMPALED A CAT and OP's parents try to claim that's "normal"?! What the hell is "normal" about impaling a cat!? This is not "sibling bickering" this is straight up bully and abuse. OP's parents are horrible parents and people. Oh my god, OP needs to cut any and all form of contact from these psychos. If I was OP the moment I seen that text from my horrible mom, instant block. Angela deserves to be infertile, OP's parents don’t deserve to be grandparents, and they deserve the worst. These people piss me off more and more 😡
Wait hold on around middle school you’re about 12 or 13 op is 42 and his girl is 25 so assuming she was 13 in middle school op dated her when he was 30… someone stop him he’s a whole sex offender
being honest the moment that op mentioned Angela impaling cat, i knew there was no mercy, no hope
I personally don't think large age gaps are a bad thing, but I don't think being with a middle schooler is acceptable in ANY circumstance
@@wunder6627 exactly. It seems like a blessing now that OPs family disowned her. I think worse things would’ve happened if she stuck around
@@lorilancaster5917 yeah you are right, but poor cat anyways
Last Story: When her parents or her sister try to contact OP just answer: "Who is trying to contact me? My parents? Can't be, they died when I was in high school. My Sister? I never had a sister. I was an only child."
Just deny their existence. File a restraining order against the people who claim to be my family.
The first story is balm to my soul, he got EXACTLY what he deserved for what he did and I feel good imagining that happening to every cheater. I hope the daughters will find a good step dad in the wifes new husband and the son will do well. Even if he got what he deserved, no one else deserved what he did beside the girlfriend.
Edit spelling, ty raphealtoid77, thought it's the same as in german, oups
*balm. Balsam is a type of wood...
Yeah, it's hard to have any sympathy at all for him because, as the one redditor pointed out, he threw his entire life away just to get his dick wet.
Agreed. My only concern is for the son, who doesn't deserve the shit storm he was born into. Hope he has a decent life.
I don't agree. He DID get what he deserved, but he's doing his best to make things right and to be a good father. As someone who HAD a shit father who before he passed did his best to make things right, I think the guy deserves the chance to try and do better. Not a second chance with his ex-wife and kids, they have the right to decide whether he is allowed to be in their lives, but he shuoldn't be punished forever for this, as he's clearly trying to make amends and be a better person.
@@ThisGuyandThatGuyPVG Was he being a good father when he was inserting his penis in another woman’s vagina? Taking time AWAY from his kids to be with another woman. The mistress was his PRIORITY over his kids
Story 2: if I was OP, not only would I eagerly sever contact but if they tried reaching out to me I’d just pretend I didn’t know them. Like “who dis? My parents and sister? Sorry, wrong person. I don’t have parents or a sister 🤷♀️”
Those parents sound like the kind of people who would say "boys will be boys" when it comes to sexual assault.
Thats not even what that phrase even means 🙄
Or victim blame the girl for "leading him on" or "you should've dressed more modestly"
@@Diamondr11Blue Indeed the phrase was originally meant for schoolyard boys who scrape their knees or tell weird fart jokes on the playground, but some bad parents use it as a way to not discipline boys for truly poor behavior like major bullying or vandalism
"I'm glad Angela is suffering".
Great, me too.
Also, from the moms letter, I think that Angela got her gaslighting sociopath genes from the mom.
Story 1: I have been in the position of the daughter. My dad left my mom and I for a younger woman and he insists that I reconcile our relationship. Dont force a relationship upon them, they will hate you for it. Just like I do.
I do hope things get better for OP and especially his son. The fact that he's aware of his horrible fault in so much of this shows he's at least capable to start to improve.
That's rare on this channel.
Story 1 - Ahhhhhh I get it
He was with one woman since they were kids, cheated on her with some young gold digger, and is shocked that cheating just… destroys family.
(Plays tiny violin)
The only relief I feel from him is that his baby momma left him so his doesn’t have to worry about his son.
I’m betting that the next correspondence OP receives from family is a document from oldest daughter saying that stepdad adopted her and she changed her last name to his
*rSlash:* _”I don’t know about you guys but I’ve been able to make it from 13 to 19 without ever killing a cat!”_
*Me:* _”Uhhhhh… rSla-?”_
*rSlash:* _”Actually… my entire life, from 0 to now, never killed a cat, never killed a dog cause that’s psychotic behavior!”_
*Me:* _”Phew…”_ 😅
I love how he tries to accuse his ex wife of cheating just because he did! Or maybe she was so devasted by you cheating on her, having a child with another woman and abandoning her and your children! so maybe, just maybe she sought comfort from a good friend and they fell in love. That guy deserves everything that happened to him!
I was thinking that too - a total guilt-deflection projection move.
It was already nearly impossible to feel any type of sympathy for OP but then to make that not-so-veiled accusation about his wife erased even that tiny bit of me that still wanted to try and feel sorry for him.
@@survivedandthriving Zero sympathy from the beginning. My grandfather had a Mistress and she also intentionally got pregnant and he left his 3 kids and wife for the mistress. That woman was evil. Her kids were Evil, that whole friken second family was evil.
@@slothdance2020 Fair - after years of therapy my people-pleasing instincts still want to come out sometimes. Fortunately these days, I am usually able to reevaluate and rein them in before I do something silly.
I am sorry to hear that you had evilness in your family like that. I am happy to hear, however, that you are able to immediately see BS when BS is put in front of you.
Plus interest
@@lucianomialu9079 Also very funny how it's doesn't feel good when a "random guy" (even though op and wife already knew him and so did the girls) is around his famoly, but it's okay for him to try the same thing with his (now ex) gf.
Last story: I understand how OP feels. I was the bad kid while my siblings could do no wrong. I ran away from home at fifteen because I was tired of daily beatings, lived on the streets for three years and then managed to make a career and life for myself. Guess whose siblings all moved away, far as they could and soon as they could, and guess who ended up looking after the parents in old age.
Make your own family, OP, and live your own life. Be gracious to your parents and try to forgive them, but if you can't remember that YOU get to choose their nursing home.
Story 1: I've seen one other person cover this, and I wouldn't think it would get any worse.
Then I hear your reaction and realize that it really was worse
bruh that age gap is so big it can legally drink in Germany 😬
@@NerobyrneThe ages for both the wife and op is perfectly legal. Is it very damn weird? Yes. Is it illegal? No.
@@Weaponsexpert2453 oh yeah I never said it's illegal.
But, here we see why it's almost always a terrible idea.
At least, I'd say that if your age gap is that big, better not to try having a relationship. You're very likely too different.
@@NerobyrneThats True.
@@NerobyrneAnd ill never get into a relationship and this is my choice.
17:34 we are both in our late 30s... Animal Cruelty is NOT normal teenage behavior, that is "Silence of The Lambs" teenage behavior.
1st story: they made their bed, now they have to lie in it.
2nd: I'm going to be sick listening to this. Sounds like Angela's long needed punishment is just beginning
Sadly the son did not choose that bed though I feel so bad for him a mother that don't want him. A father that will struggle and half siblings that wont even acknowledge him..
@@MjaoZor sadly very true. Children r always the ones to suffer the most from these nightmare situations
@@ismae-rienne4991 Yep and then the children grow up with CPTSD, and they become adults barely functional. Personal experience. (myself)
2nd story: It made my skin crawl when the sister stated that she wants OP to be a surrogate using the sperm of OP's already husband. OP's sister has displayed consistent psychopathic behavior (narcicism is a trait of psychopathy, but intentionally and calculated harm to herself and others just for the shake of hurting a 'target', is not your average narcissist).
OP's children are not safe. So far the sister hasn't do anything that calls for police intervention, but there is no telling on what she may do once she feels slighted because "OP has refused to give her a brand new baby for too long". OP should warn the school and any caretakers about her sister and family.
In the last story, OP should've sent pictures of her happy family to the toxic sister with a text "Guess you can't copy me on this". THEN block all of them.
That could be dangerous. The crazy sister sounds like she has sociopathic tendencies. For all we know she could be angered so much that she'd hunt OP down and harm her and her family. Could totally see that happening... Best to stay the heck away!!
Nah, OP did the right thing by just blocking everyone. Sending anything to the sister would just mean that OP acknowledges her pathetic existence.
@@liuyushi18 EXTREMELY DANGEROUS to do this. Like you said, Angela is most likely BPD, and sending her the faces and location of OPs family is a great way to have the kids end up like that cat.
I should know to not read these comments while eating breakfast - I just had juice come out my nose reading yours - it is such a beautiful idea and I am still chuckling at it despite the juice-in-nose part. Thank you for starting my day with this chuckle and this imagining of OP getting justice in this way.
That said, I tend to agree with some of the others that it could be a dangerous move on OP's part. Sister really does sound like a psychopath and there is no telling what that type of 'person' will do.
Still, thank you for that beautiful image of perfect justice in my mind's eye.
Also Angela didn’t correspond with OP, their mom did. OP shouldn’t acknowledge Angela any more than she acknowledges the dog 💩 in her neighbors lawn
Last story: Oh how I would LOVE for karma to get to Angela to the point where she eventually spills the truth to everyone. How she was the one bullying OP and framing her for everything. It would be so satisfying to see her family tear her down and then try to reconcile with OP to no avail. But sadly, I’m thinking of way too happy of an ending. We all know that even if Angela says the truth, the family (especially the parents) would just brush it off as if it wasn’t a big deal, and they will still think badly of OP. Idk, I’m just a real sucker for karma like that.
I'm very sure the parents knew and were in on it from the start. Because killing a cat on the fence is not "normal teenage behavior"
The perents know but are just delutional
I thought at first at the second story that OP's parents were good people who were being fooled by an especially manipulative and clever 11 year old (like you know those evil kids you see in horror movies) and that sadly they truly didn't know that their younger daughter was suffering. But no after that update it's obvious that the parents weren't fooled at all. They were in on it. They are fully aware that OP has been telling the truth all along but are obviously never going to be on her side because the other daughter was their golden child.
It's sickening.
Story 1: The ex wife is going to laugh SO HARD if she recognizes OP in this story.
I do appreciate and respect that he acknowledges that he is the reason his entire life sucks now
One thing tht gets me is that he is still trying to be the victim.
But still trying to avoid responsibility. Not making an effort to make up with his daughters and still acting upset that some "stranger" replaced him.. 10+ years is not a stranger. He is the stranger to his kids. What a fool. He's learned absolutely nothing. He's still blaming others for his issues and mistakes. An example, if your business required outside funding to keep going, it really was a shitty business model and not run properly. He'd rather have someone who hates him in his life than be alone. He's not even taking responsibility for his own mental health or situation. Because that would require work and effort.. which he is absolutely not willing to do... even for his daughters.
I don't. He was dumb as fuck, stay to finish. Nothing about that dude deserves an ounce of respect. Even worse because he brought a kid into his life that's already down a mom negate of his bullshit. They child is already traumatized and doesn't even know it yet. PoS father of the decade
That is true, as very few people can do that. However I can't respect that even when accepting that he's at fault the cheating OP in Story #1 tries to play victim to a degree.
I noticed in that story that he said his ex was supportive of the daughters staying in contact, but all of a sudden they want to cut contact? I find it a bit strange but it could either be OP’s wording or something else.
For the last story, I would've mailed her a cocomelon doll or something, with a little bote reading "congratulations, you're now a proud mother of two!" (With the two crossed out and replaced with one.) Then, just to add a little more infertile icing on the cake, get her a gift card to buy buy baby!
The story about the lying, abusive sister: Karma ALWAYS catches up to you. You might not get the payback for years and years but, it always gets you in the end. You might not show it to those you've wronged but you'll live in misery secretly. When someone wrongs me, I try to right my life and don't worry about revenge because karma does that for me. I hope OP's parents learn the truth about what really happened someday and feel awful for the remaining part of their lives. You don't pick and choose which child you love and support.
I'm pretty sure they know, considering their attitude. They clearly chose their oldest daughter.
Sadly, I'm pretty sure the parents knew all along, but just decided to play favourites. The update kinda set that point in stone, for me.
Then the parents will be crying for OP to come back when Angela refuses to take care of their ailing asses in a retirement home somewhere or when Angela earns herself prison time for screwing over the wrong people
The OP from the last story should write a book about her childhood, the Titel could be: "growing up watching a narcissist being raised"
Or something on those lines. Also props to the cousin she seems ok and like she's not buying OPs parents bullshit
This story is almost exactly like what I’m currently going through. My parents were separated for a bit over a year, and my dad cheated on my mom with a married woman he was having a fling with during their break. The other woman got pissy when my dad(for lack of a better word) broke it off, so she got my mom’s number from his phone behind his back and contacted her. She also sent my mom a VERY detailed letter about what she and my dad did romantically and sexually. The other woman said she got pregnant and lost the baby, and apparently they were very sad about it. All my dad does is tell my mom to “ignore her”, and that she’s a liar when he was literally messaging her when he got back together with my mom. He even went on a trip with the other woman when he had gotten back with my mom. My mom has had multiple breakdowns and feels completely unsafe at home. One breakdown almost made her flee the country. My brother is active duty in the military, and I’m away at grad school. We can’t visit home as much as we’d like. We absolutely hate him for what he has done. We were fine before he came back, and we were helping her manage dealing with an empty nest. There’s no trust. We have caught him in multiple lies. I can’t even look at him without getting mad. Whenever he speaks with me, it has to be short conversations or else I’ll feel like I’ll take my anger out at him. I know it’s unhealthy, but my mom is keeping him around to finish projects at home. Until then, we’ll have to put up with him. I have absolutely no respect for him. I want to believe him when he says he’s telling the truth, but I just can’t. He’s in his mid-50s, but acts like he’s still mentally developing. He says he’s “still being punished” for what he did, and it just pisses me off even more because he thinks everything will be ok if we just forget about it. It’s not that simple.
What projects does your mom need him for, he sounds like dead weight anyway
Maybe he deserves to still be punished for what he did. Cheating in a marriage destroys so much trust that it's hard to get it back for a long time. My brother-in-law cheated on my sister-in-law a few years ago, and to this day she still has trust issues. Like recently he had to go out of town for training and she packed up the kids and went with him for the couple of days it lasted. I personally don't think he'd ever cheat on her again but apparently she's still trying to build up that trust. I've never been cheated on so I can't imagine how horrible it would be to lose trust in a partner like that.
@@dx1450 Neither have I, and I won't pretend to know how it feels. But I think your SIL's reaction is 100% warranted.
something in the first story caught my attention (the whole thing really did but one thing stuck out). 2:16 op says, "I did not seek alimony." but HE cheated cheaters DON'T GET ALIMONY, they PAY IT. he's damn lucky his ex didn't seek alimony and CHILD SUPPORT, she could have gotten both easily and really screwed him over for screwing his receptionist.
2nd Story: Honestly, that family will most definitely reap what they've sowed when we our maker.
To the OP, focus on bringing happiness to your own family now. When your kids are older, have a talk with them. Tell them the truth and tell them to expect the lies of her former family.
Lol the last story, OP should verbally "agree" to carry the baby, get their hopes up, and then when the baby arrives be like "what? This is mine and my husband's baby. I have no idea what you're talking about being a surrogate. " just to dash their hopes.
First story: I heard this one before. OP is so much of a butthole. He ruined his life beyond repair and is looking for any kind of simpathy he doesn't even deserve. OP says he deserves the blame and he's a horrible person, but he doesn't believe it because this story is obviously steered to gain pity.
He also said she "baby trapped" him. Which is clearly a bullshit. In 4K HD.
FIrst story OP is a chomo. FTFY.
@@ReigoVassal how is it clearly bullshit though?
@@kespeth2 so the girl was underage? No right…
I disagree.
"My ex has no obligation to tell me about her personal life, but I'm pissed that there is a man living with my daughters that I didn't know about."
Damn, Op and his girlfriend really deserved each other! I usually root for those relationships because it clears out the toxic sludge for the rest of the species. It exactly looks like he always wanted a son from the daughter's perspective, although we know it was 100% only about Op feeling cool. They see him throw their mother's life into a tail spin to move in with a woman barely older than the eldest and his brand new son. We know Op wanted to make it work to save his image but the daughters don't. Dude ruined his life, irreversibly gave 4 (probably 5) kids daddy issues, and destroyed his wife just to get some young strange that backfired beautifully... this needs to be one of those Darr Mahn skits lmao 🤣
Story 2: op should sue their sister. I don't know if there is a statutory limit on this, but sharing nude photos of a minor is illegal and considered possession of CP. Even if the one sharing is a minor, if the limit hasn't already passed I believe she can still get in trouble for it
Story 1 can basically summarized in one sentence: "SOMEBODY PLEASE SHOW SYMPATHY TO ME!!!"
Which, obviously, very few people, if any, ever will.
I feel sorry for the baby boy in Story 1. He's blameless, but his sisters hate him just because his parents are awful. I hope they can see him as their brother one day. They're his only chance at having a decent family.
First story: I’m a non-smoker but holy crap I’m going to need to need a freaking cigarette!
Make sure its a herbal cigarette.
I'm a smoker so I'll smoke an extra for you
@@theickster3008 TYSM. (Thank you so much)
@@TFTN_official I got your back jack
I used to smoke before I stopped, but I’ll be sure to hit a big one on the big ol’ bong for you.
The idea of having two sets of grandparents is so weird to me that I can't comprehend what that would be like.
Technically I do see my grandma on my dad's side but it's just not the same and so whenever I say my grandparents I'm specifically talking about my mom's parents.
Oh yeah that first story really broke my heart.
I mean, he did it to himself. I understand that his daughters don't want to see him. But, if I got a letter like that from my daughter, I'd probably myself. Well, he does have another kid, which is probably keeping him going, but honestly, this is just terrible.
It's a great warning to all of us that one night of fun CAN actually destroy your entire life.
I mean it wasn't on night, he took his now ex gf on fancy dates on his wife's expense.
Who else is thinking that the reason for why OP got so angry that his ex wife moved on and got remarried to another man is because he thought he had another shot with her, and was upset when he realised that he no longer had a chance with her? Also, why do I get the feeling that he's trying to turn the script against his ex wife, especially in regards to their daughters? At the end, he literally says that he hopes his daughters 'grow up' and once they have more life experience, they can understand what happened. It's like he's literally blaming his ex wife for the reason for why HE CHEATED and DESTROYED his family.
I've never metaphorically spat out my coffee faster than the beginning of that first story.
Holy shit, Rslash!
Story 2: As somebody who studies Psychology frequently, narcissism and killing animals is some of the biggest signs of being a psychopath. When OP's sister killed that cat, I can bet you she felt absolutely no guilt whatsoever. Psychopaths almost never have any feeling of guilt or remorse. The only time psychopaths "show" emotion is when they are manipulating somebody for something.
2nd story: OP's sister isn't just a narcissist, she is a straight up sociopath. Impaling cats is something sociopaths do. She doesn't have empathy for anyone else, having a baby is just a way to keep the attention on her, because eventually the parents will have other things to do.
I'm an only and, as much as my parents love me, they would spend less time with us if it wasn't for their granddaughter. (Like they moved to be closer to us specifically because of her.)
OP is doing the right thing by cutting all contact. She shouldn't out her cousin though, the cousin is a mensch.
let's be honest
she'll obviously going to abuse the poor child if he has one
Tell your mom:
“No, you’re not. Because apparently her abusing me is worth kicking me out. I don’t care. I gave you chance after chance, but clearly she’s your golden child and I’ll always be the scapegoat. She made my life a living hell, and you just watched. As far as I’m concerned: this miscarriage is the universe protecting that child from her, and you. You don’t consider my children your grandchildren, you’ve made that pretty clear. Goodbye. Don’t contact me again.”
Story: Bruhhhh, a cheater wants sympathy and people feeling bad for him? Cheaters are people we can never feel sorry for, EVER, no matter the reason or justification for it.
The only sympathy I have is that I understand being curious about other relationship experiences. I mean this guy was with his ex wife since potentially before they were teenagers. I get why he was curious, but obviously cheating is not the answer.
One exception, arranged or forced marriages. I don't believe vows said under duress are true vows.
I do, but only because I'm a dad and I know how that letter must have made him feel.
However, that doesn't mean I don't also believe that he did it to himself. He's a grave warning for all of us.
Don't let temptation destroy your family.
The only hope I have for OP is that he’s able to get his son into high quality therapy when he’s old enough
I assume you meant "Story 1" not just "Story"?
Narcissists are made, sociopaths are born. The sister is a sociopath, the whole bit with the cat is a massive red flag.
I am one of the few who actually feel sorry for everyone involved in the first story (except the mistress). The ex-wife, daughters, and son for obvious reason. But even OP. He fucked up bad, and he knows it. He destroyed everything he had, and robbed his daughters of a father.
I feel bad for him, because he now realises just how much of a blithering idiot he was, and now has to live with the guilt that comes from systematically dismantling his entire life, and hurting everyone else in the process. He's LUCKY his ex-wife is gracious enough, to allow him a small window into the life he left behind. He doesn't deserve it, but she still does it for him.
I think ex-wife is doing it to rub his nose in it. This is what he destroyed and what he'll never have again.
I don’t feel bad for him at all. He was thinking with the wrong head so he gets what he deserves. Everyone in the post terrible except OPs first family. I hope they never speak to him again.
If they were together since middle school, and OP is 17 years older, he basically groomed a minor and is probably twisting the story to make himself seem better, or he's deluded
@@anyatyler826, everyone except OPs first wife is horrible in that story. His daughters hate a baby they've never met, because why? Having the audacity to have been born?
@@UltimateAlphaFox96, maybe I wasn't listening too closely (played this in the background while taking a bath), but I understood it as it being 17 years between OP and the new girlfriend but that it was OP and his _wife_ that met in middle school? Otherwise, OP was held back for quite some time. ;-)
2nd Story: Killing/hurting animals is one of the signs of sociopathy. And OP's sister is a narcissist which shares many traits with sociopathy... well she might actually be sociopathy which is scary but I'm no doctor.
First story, quite frankly OP deserved everything and then some. What did they expect from cheating on his wife like that? I'm waiting to for another update and hearing he lost his son because they didn't want op in his life.
Second story, good. OP's sister has no right to a child just as no child deserves to have a monster like that in their life. I mean, no one deserves to have OP's sister in their life really. Good on OP for going no contact with her family like that. Hopefully OP's sister's husband bails or winds up too toxic for her.
Last story, OP needs to protect her kid, b/c her family sounds like the type to kidnap a baby.
Isn't their a movie on lifetime about that?
I hope the relatives on the 2nd story read OP's post to see her side of the story and see how awful they are.
I'm pretty sure they know. And they were in on it from the start
I doubt even the comments on the pots will change their minds tbh.
The last story should just post all of their irl info on a local town newspaper and why child abusers should never have kids.
Her parents are abusive. Her sister is abusive and they're enabling it. So call them all out and let the town rip them to shreds for the shit they had you go through.
Scrutiny is allowed when there's no justice. And I'm a 100% sure you can file for all the abuse and harassment so they're forced to pay you out. As well as your sister going to jail for distributing actual irl cp as you were a minor.
The only advice I can offer op is to give his daughters space, while maintaining being in their corner - only time can really tell if this can ever be salvaged
Aside from that him and the new one both deserve everything they got
First story: I don't think OP realizes he doesn't really love his wife as much as he says. He wouldn't have been in this mess if he did, literally getting with the first person other than his wife. The poor son didn't deserve to be a part of this.
Story 2 hit hard for me I lived that life but I was kicked out at the age of 16. Thank God my Friend owned a apartment and gave me a studio said payment is only good grades.
First story:
OP caught the worst parasite known to mankind - the golddigging testicular worm.
Second story: apparently karma really exists.
Last story: Angela impaling the cat part. Well well well. Looks like we got the origin story of a serial killer.
I feel so bad for the son in that first story. He was born into such a shitty situation. His mother doesn't want him, his half-sisters want nothing to do with him, and his dad sounds like he's struggling to get by day by day. I pray that kid has a good life. Hopefully with time the three daughters will heal and attempt to make contact with him so he doesn't have to grow up alone in such a shitty situation.
Absurd age gap? DUDE the age gap is one year away from legally being able to drink
He was with his first wife since middle school, not the 20 something girlfriend who he cheated with.
@@marychoppins8140 sorry head been blank as of late
Having psychopaths in my family, no, they ARE just born that way. Dad has disturbing behavior documented from a very young age, like 1st grade. They can be made, but are often just born that way and there's nothing you can do but protect yourself.
Second story: I also already hear this one. OP is so far from being horrible. His sister is a toxic piece of trash and the parents are enablers playing favorites.
Yeah. And part of me wants to those idiot read this and see what people think about them(Angela and the parents are idiots and horrible people). Maybe that will open their eyes, or maybe not. Narcissists are shit because they always blame others for their own mistakes. Although if you burst the narcissist's bubble, they can become dangerous. Besides, Angela seems to be not only jealous as hell, but also very unbalanced. And that treatment of the cat also brings the question of whether she is also either a sociopath or a psychopath. People like that also have those narcissistic traits, and get their kicks out of seeing others suffer.
I believe that the OP in the 2nd story is also female.
Uncorrected sociopathy and psychopathy being the road to narcissism is a new take. I can believe toxic families make narcissism worse, but I've seen narcissism come from perfectly healthy families too. I don't know what my sister's excuse is, out of the two. She was definitely disciplined for bad behavior but it made her double down
Last story: if this is real all those psychos need to be put somewhere so they can't hurt anyone.
First story: I think what OP hasn't fully internalized is that if he wants to ever truly have a relationship with his kids, he has to be sorry that he cheated, NOT that his cheating didn't go the way he planned. It's absolutely the daughter's right not to forgive him. Also, I suspect that, even assuming he's telling the truth, the kids aren't really equipped to disentangle "leaving their mother" with "abandoning them," so since OP left to take care of his son, that is why the girls see that as replacing them with a son.
Also, that's not psychotic-that girl knew damn well what she was doing the whole time.
Story 2: it's the second time I'm listening to this story
And even having already heard everything, I'm bawling my eyes out AGAIN
This is one of the worst stories I've ever seen on theses subreddits
It kills me, this hurts
Am I the only one that wanted to scream when the OP from the first story had the nerve to say he didn't appreciate another man being in his home he didn't know about, and low key accusing that his wife was seeing someone before they divorced? Sir, you're the LAST person allowed to make that kind of comment.
There is no dramatic television show on planet earth that gives me the same tingles as “and then, OP posted an update.”
That second story was wild because the sister kept stealing OP's bfs growing up and then when they got into contact with OP once again, the first thing the sister does is try to steal OP's husband in a roundabout way lol
Opening the relationship is NEVER the answer.
Only open the doors of the walls are stable. Adding more people can be wonderful (I joined a throuple) but my partners were already both poly-curious and had individual crushes on me (and I on them). No pressure on anyone, just communication and consent.
I think that OP’s parents in the second story did her a favor by kicking her out. She’s now free to be whoever she wants. I hope she’s found peace having her own family 🖤 And yeah it’s totally true that narcissists are made. My ex’s brother checks ever symptom of narcissism! And funny enough, he’s the most insecure person I know. I’m sure OP’s sister is the same. I think she wants children for the social status to feel more important