How Red Auerbach Stole Parish and McHale
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2011
- While Red Auerbach is credited with the steal of the century by trading for both Robert Parish and Kevin McHale in the same deal, the origins of their dominance in the 80's goes back to a Lakers free agent signing in 1974.
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Red Auerbach was a freaking genius!
The way the Celtics got Bill Russell and Dennis Johnson were pretty clever "slight-of-hand" tricks by Red Auerbach, also. Especially all the stuff that had to fall into place for Bill Russell to join the Celtics.
Dude,Red was like Houdini in the basketball world,his magic hat had all the tricks,he was a genius.
Genius...I love the breakdowns...learned alot from this! Can't wait for another surprise upload!
I remember I was shocked that McHale was a third rounder. I considered him to be a GREAT GREAT player out of Minnesota. He turned out to be everything I thought he was.
He wasn't a 3rd rounder. McHale was the 3rd pick in the first round. He became more as a pro than anyone could have imagined from his college career. He was one of the top big men of his college class but few could have guessed that this lanky guy would become probably the best low post player ever. At the time Joe Barry Carroll was the much bigger name. And don't forget Joe Barry scored 20-25pts a game for a good number of years. He just wasn't Kevin McHale over a career.
lol I was reading this like "wtf are you talking about?" McHale is one of the Celtics highest draft picks of all time. He was #3 pick in 1980. Even Bird was drafted lower than that. The only players drafted higher than or the same as McHale for the Celtics were
Chuck Share (1st pick 1950)
Len Bias (2nd pick 1986)
Jim Loscutoff (3rd pick 1955)
Chauncey Billups (3rd pick 1997)
Jaylen Brown (3rd pick 2016)
Jayson Tatum (3rd pick 2017)
Bill Simmons is enjoying the LA sunshine, wearing his Larry Bird jersey, and nodding his head with a big smile right now.
these are awesome!!! Keep it up coach!
Love these.
Keep it up!
these are very well made. good work
That's a pretty in-depth breakdown. The blurbs on the screen don't stay on long enough to read without stopping video.
You should do more of these.
Great Indepth content here👍
Bad trades always happen when front offices are impatient and short-sighted. That is what happened here.
invent a time machine so i can go to boston garden and watch these priceless legends just kick some serious ass! it was great on tv i promise ya that :)
Very nice video. Would love to see some videos about recent times, or at least from 90s, but I guess there really aren't that many great trades to talk about
@willlee3 THanks! Can't believe how positive the reaction has been so far! Stay tuned - lots coming up on BBALLBREAKDOWN too!
Did he really say the number of "awful" picks was "astonishing" from Parishs' draft class? Really? Aside from the highlighted hall of famers there was some very good players in that draft. Lonnie Shelton, John Lucas, Larry Wright and Mitch Kupchak (champions on the Bullets), Ron Lee (great defensive player), Quinn Buckner, Earl Tatum. I guess we didn't see the same draft because those guys were all very good and you have drafts where you don't get anywhere near that many even serviceable players.
You are absolutely right. This was a very solid drafft- a high number of players who were good to very good players for several seasons.
Danny Ainge took a page from Red by trading down the #1 pick for Jayson Tatum. It's early to judge the outcome but the move is very similar.
@bl1nd3d It's there! Check it out! Not sure why you didn't see it, haven't changed the settings...
@mungojerry311 Hope you enjoyed it today!
Red Auererbach = King Finesse
Love the breakdowns! When you get a chance, look into why the NBA/ABA merger was so lopsided for the NBA!
What choice did the ABA teams have? Where were they gonna go? Many say they were aiming the whole time for a merger.
Regardless, I didn't see much choice.
1:20 Number 29. The late, great Dennis Johnson. We need you back DJ. (:
Red got D.J. in a steal also. Red traded Rick Robey to Phoenix to get Dennis Johnson.
@@williamhild1793 I'm sure Red rushed to get that one finalized thru the league office before Phoenix called back and changed their mind!
@@williamhild1793 I've heard that DJ wasn't thrilled to be in Phoenix. That everyone knew he was good but he was thought, by some, to be a source of friction within that team, whether true or false. I think Red must have seen passed all that and felt DJ would fit into his Celtics. Particularly his "Bird" Celtics. Which he most certainly did. Great player with an interesting road to the Hall of Fame.
@TheNutellaCrepe Awesome. Hope you enjoyed it!
@TheEM32 We're working on it! There's always a pause button! LOL Thanks for watching - lots more coming up on BBALLBREAKDOWN too!!!!
Artis not only barely counts, he doesn't count at all because he wasn't on any of the teams you threw up at the beginning. He was only on the team in the 88 season in which they didn't even make the Finals.
@JeanPhilippe1313 OK- we'll look into refining the interface so connections are more apparent - time is an issue of course...
@NBAtradetracker I definitely agree. But mid-season trade wasn't a good time to get rid of him in my opinion with Shaq sidelined. Scorer or not Celtics needed someone big and intimidating under the basket. I think he would have made the difference against the Heat.
@NoName1325 Not sure - he's on my list, though. So we'll do that one soon!
Do one on how Vince Carter got to the Raptors. I researched it a bit and its very interesting
@davybarrecks Thanks! I enjoy adding those cultural references, for sure. Did you see our latest on Vince Carter?
@Cordwinder And the Warriors went to the Playoffs once when he was there (his 1st year)... having won the NBA title 2 years before he got there...
@jpeng94 It's possible he'll be enjoying this even more, stay tuned for some possible great news..........
@NBAtradetracker Do you have Knicks v Denver trade in mind? Or Charlotte - Milwaukee - Sacramento on draft day? The real superb GM move in last year was by Raptors to successfully convince Cavs to not pick Valanciunas with 4th pick. lol cavs
good idea to start a new channel!
where??
@funkerman7 There are lots of recent trades that could make for good TradeTrackers - I would say mostly the multiplayer kinds. If you have any suggestions, let us know, and stay tuned!
@Cordwinder Parish said something like it was going from the outhouse to the penthouse...
I'll look into what Red was saying about McHale - I'm sure he did whatever he could...
@Phatinium Thanks - lots more coming up!!
@LoneshotHero Thanks! Hope this one takes off a little more, though! Lots more coming from BBALLBREAKDOWN and NBATradeTracker.
Coach Nick
Golden State had come to see Parish as a good but passionless player who didn't inspire his teammates or rise to the occasion in important games. It eventually came to view Carrol the same way. I've often wondered if this was a matter of circumstance. Minus the trade, would Parish have had a slightly disappointing career and Carrol become a Hall of Famer?
Good question. We'll never know for sure, but great teams & teammates usually make each other better.
I've wondered the same thing. If I remember correctly, no one really wanted Parish except Red at that time. Obviously Mchale would've been great no matter what team he was on, but would Parish have been considered HOF material without Bird? Possibly the same with Mchale. . .Bird made them better. Made them into winners.
Bird definitely made Parrish better. McHale too.
Hell no parrish had talent too
Parish will tell you being on the Celtics and Bird specifically changed his career. He credits Bird with 1000's of his points on pinpoint pases
If he stays with GSW Parish would be remembered as a good player who beat his wife, not a top 50 all-time player and a member of the greatest frontline in the sport
as far as Joe Barry, watched him, but don't remember his game...I remember him as having injury issues, tho that could be wrong
@chrishsu2312 Thanks so much! Can't believe how popular this has become in 4 days...
I think you should find some interesting way to present the information visually. Some sort of graph... Looking forward to the next one!
No Coach/GM can compare to Red Auerbach.
why did the lakers have the 1st pick in the 1982 draft even though they won a championship that year?
Were the GSW winning during Parish's years there? I think he had said in an interview that he was happy to leave GSW for the Celtics. Also research what Red had said about Mchale. I think there was some down hype by Red to deter the other two teams from drafting him. If are near a library with newspapers on microfilm, try to read articles written during that period when the draft and trade occurred.
Um, are we just going to ignore the fact that Curtis Ray saved a dolphin's life?
@jeremykoa05 I think the Celtics looked at Perkins as a nonathletic, non scoring big man with bad knees. While Jeff Green isn't going to cut it, they can find another undersized center to set good screens, y'know what I mean?
Genius.. Wish I could see the logic in this past years trade between the Celtics and Thunder. How could they give up Perkins, their only semi-healthy big guy?! Just doesn't make sense.. KG needs a break at some point in the game.
@KoMighty OK, thanks!
thanx
It's a steal in hindsight. Carroll was the best center prospect at the time since Walton.
You should do one on Moses Malone.
at 2:52 'He aint no PTP'er, baby!'
@halowafflebrains Thanks! Lots more coming up.
@baller0718 Got it on the list. THANKS
LOL, did I see a Chris Smoove reference there?
No, Auerbach added a hot prospect and the center of the 2nd worst team in the league, who happened to reach the HoF level later on. Why the Warriors did it? Well, having Parish on the team didn't do much for them and JB was rated very highly coming out of college, that is pretty much all there is to it.
sheba021 hindsight is 20/20. How much better would Joe Barry Carroll have been next to Bird and McHale?
@@PoliticusRex632 Wouldn't have had McHale. He would have been gone by the 13th pick. Carroll would have been the #1 pick and McHale would probably have been GSW's #3 pick. The Celtics would have probably ended up with Rickey Brown. So you would have had Parrish and McHale playing together with the GSW and Carroll and Brown at the Celtics. Interesting what if scenario.
Parish was rated pretty highly in college too. He aldo rebounded and played D. Carroll never did.
6. september is my birthday :)
back then the warriors office was awful first vc and now parish and mckhale
+julian brown I think the team they join is a huge factor. Especially with big men. If Parish plays with the clippers back then, he's not winning titles imo and I saw his whole career. Larry Bird was a Big deal shaping them.
Joe Barely Cares
a lot of 20 / 20 hindsight here. At the time JBCarrol looked like a HOF'er, Parrish was a lazy, but talented center, and McHale on any other team is not in the HOF. Red was good, but better than good, he is lucky. Being lucky and good is hard to beat.
Carroll was considered more lackadaisical than Parish. Known as Joe barely cares! Stat man only. Scoring stats.
@@Amick44 Not coming out of draft--after the big contract he became, JBCares (thanks Pete Vescey)
@@Amick44 I wonder if they both became known for that at the Warriors for the same reason. Was there something about the atmosphere there at the time that led to that attitude? I have NO idea. But it seems an interesting coincidence as you guys are mentioning the two men at that team.
@@cindyknudson2715 Parish improved and progressed steadily. Carroll scored well but little else.
Too involved for me to follow, or I'm too short bus, one or the other
danny got it from red.
Danny didn't get enough from Red in the team-building dept.
Yes he did. He's responsible for the 2008 championship team and now he put the Celtics back in the map again in just the span of 4 years. In 2013, we only have a bunch of scrubs and washed up players. Now in 2017, we have signed 2 big free agents and one superstar with alot of young depth from lottery picks.
Please. Danny isn't one-tenth the GM Red was. Danny would've taken the #5 draft pick in '07 & done nothing else if ownership hadn't prodded him. After that big three run, he's made a lot of moves, most of which didn't work well together. Among several other questionable moves, he traded a starting center for a backup forward. When the team was finally a piece or two away from contending after last season, he blew it up completely.
JBC = Joe Barely Cares
Anyone actually believe that 1980 Celtic trade was a legitimate steal must have a gullible pull me chain on them.
There is no way a aging Bob MacAdoo was worth 2 first round picks. There is no legitimate reason for the warriors to trade Robert Parish who was worth a #1 pick for a 1 and 13 pick in the draft. The Celtics would get a 3rd pick also in that trade ! Obviously NBA is rigged allowing these trades to go through.
NBA wanted two historic winning franchises to have the best players on each team ,Celtics/Lakers. This worked wonders for the NBA however the NBA is and still is corrupt!
Phares1225 You can't say the NBA is rigged because some GM's (regardless of sport) are just plain stupid and overvalue players. I think some GM's (not all, but some of the "lesser ones", for lack of a better phrase) just get into "shut up and take what you want" mode when offered the #1 pick in the draft, especially when "what they want" is a player with no All-Star appearances (which Parish was at the time). Conclusion: Dumb GM in Golden State. Anyone who thinks the league is rigged should either keep it to themselves or only say it to like-minded people and keep it away from the rest of us.
What is often forgotten about this, is the Robert Parish in Golden State was not the Robert Parish of Celtic lore. All anyone had seen by 1979 was a talented 7 footer who had made decent progress but didn't seem to have the heart to be dominating. He was something of a project and disappointment when Red Auerbach took the gamble. Amazingly, in 1979 many thought Robert Parish was...well...Joe Barry Carroll (Joe Barely Cares- Just Barely Carrolling were some of his nicknames.)
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