I am talking this story to developers and my employers in last 5 years. All i hear back is react spa, angular, vue, svelte, solid, alpine, BLA, BLA... I am very proud of myself after i know that i am not alone. Thank You!
"but things haven’t worked out the way we’d all hoped, have they?" I do agree that the current situation could be far improved but I will take my current workflow over the days of no Javascript, or no front-end frameworks, or templates of various flavors + jQuery spaghetti on bare metal systems any day of the week. Two cents from a jaded senior engineer : ) Now to watch the video...
My guess is it comes from the same source as the weird golden hue that overlays any full-screen slide. Probably whoever recorded this was playing pong on Night Mode on their computer...
True that we should use web APIs more, problem is though that most of those are so low level that you are building a library around them eventually. That's why I believe that libraries themselves should start using them behind the scenes instead and still add the very useful parts we do need. That said, there are APIs that are ready to use very easily, like the many observers like the resize observer, and used with RxJS, that leads to very easy clear code without specialty libraries.
Great talk! My personal experience of JS frameworks (React specifically) in 3 different jobs is not better DX or developer convenience... but the total opposite! 🙄 I'm passionate about using semantic HTML, writing cleaner CSS, improving accessibility, leveraging native browser APIs, etc. I'm so glad there are many many voices shouting about this. It's a shame that 99% of jobs still require React or equivalent. No. Thank. You.
I don't think the speaker used his time well. Nobody wants to hear the 100th recap of the history of the web. The talk really starts at 32:22. I also think that is laughable to use a project with a ridiculously small 650 lines of code as an example.
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I am talking this story to developers and my employers in last 5 years. All i hear back is react spa, angular, vue, svelte, solid, alpine, BLA, BLA... I am very proud of myself after i know that i am not alone. Thank You!
You’re not alone! As conference organizers we’re beating this drum for 12 years now! :)
U just need proper DDD, but sotwares made in 3rd world countries, u don't have much choice... frontend is just simple cqrs...
I've been trying to get folks on custom elements for years. Always an uphill battle. Maybe when i show folks this talk they'll see.
Excellent - thank you.
"but things haven’t worked out the way we’d all hoped, have they?"
I do agree that the current situation could be far improved but I will take my current workflow over the days of no Javascript, or no front-end frameworks, or templates of various flavors + jQuery spaghetti on bare metal systems any day of the week.
Two cents from a jaded senior engineer : )
Now to watch the video...
We needed this excess of JS to happen in order to know where the middle of the pendulum is, what the limits are, and how what scales.
@@Thorax232 valud point IMHO
What's this annoying constant clicking?
Sorry about that, we had no idea either, but we couldn’t solve it :/
@@WebConferencesAmsterdam it's definitely an annoyance but the presentation is compelling enough to ignore the issue, my opinion at least
My guess is it comes from the same source as the weird golden hue that overlays any full-screen slide. Probably whoever recorded this was playing pong on Night Mode on their computer...
True that we should use web APIs more, problem is though that most of those are so low level that you are building a library around them eventually. That's why I believe that libraries themselves should start using them behind the scenes instead and still add the very useful parts we do need. That said, there are APIs that are ready to use very easily, like the many observers like the resize observer, and used with RxJS, that leads to very easy clear code without specialty libraries.
Great talk ❤❤❤
Great talk!
My personal experience of JS frameworks (React specifically) in 3 different jobs is not better DX or developer convenience... but the total opposite! 🙄
I'm passionate about using semantic HTML, writing cleaner CSS, improving accessibility, leveraging native browser APIs, etc. I'm so glad there are many many voices shouting about this.
It's a shame that 99% of jobs still require React or equivalent.
No. Thank. You.
More responses like this please!
22:19 just left an agency where my boss thought it'd be great to implement tables using divs... just don't
Agreed, that's better with spans!
@@WebConferencesAmsterdam 😆
It's such an uphill battle these days. It made me poor, so I'm ready to give up and sing their (the overcomplicated toolchain crowd's) tune.
Nooooo!!!!11
this 'png.htc' hits me harder than Titanic
I don't think the speaker used his time well. Nobody wants to hear the 100th recap of the history of the web. The talk really starts at 32:22. I also think that is laughable to use a project with a ridiculously small 650 lines of code as an example.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
"click click"