So much of this presentation separates you from the other 99% of us. Autocad work, printing, testing, lathe work, engineering, partnerships for prototyping etc.. Impressive and while haters will hate, you should be extremely proud - this is great work! (not a fan of the rock music during x3 speed/assembly, however).
I have my 911 G body waiting to be built, setting my garage to do this exact same thing. You are an inspiration, not only as a fellow engineer but as a car enthusiast willing to push the envelope on current hobby technologies. Sending much love and appreciation from Los Angeles, CA.
@@islandworks watching you wants to make get one. I was watching drift works and Phil mentioned you as a great guy who is a genius, I have to say he’s right. I’m trying to find the episode where you do motor work.
Wow, you're really good at 3D design. I got into 3D printing for a couple of years and built some stuff with OpenSCAD so I know a little bit about it. The way you did the angled injector bosses and integrated the original aircool seal was next level.
Take my money! Your channel is great! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. That carbon GT3 intake is incredible! Nice work. I've had 4 air-cooled cars, and I recently bought a 1990 C4 964. Recent top end down. Runs strong. Hopefully starting a refresh on the suspension and leaky oil cooler lines next year. Greetings from the Pacific NW, USA.
I just came across your channel. I love these kinds of detailed informatic videos, yours are probably the best on youtube (doing Porsche). This is Gold
For the throttle body adapter, go for something like nylon if you print to test, the materials you mentioned are high temp but will distort / melt with fuel exposure ( it will get some from waves pulsing fuel back up the intake )
Correction, a narrowband Sensor can only measure Rich and Lean. It is not sensitive enough to measure an exact Stoichiometric condition. If you look at the voltage output of a Narrowband Sensor, it constantly flickers between 0.1 and 1.0 Volts, viewed graphically it looks very similar to an ECG of a heartbeat. Wideband Sensors are far more advanced, accurate , can measure a Stoichiometric condition as well as indicating how rich or lean the engine is running. Thank you for entertaining and sharing.
Yes this is correct and I tried to explain the general principle. To get anything good for tuning a proper wide band sensor is the best. In my updated engine I’m going for dual units with one on each header.
Yes now it’s a lot simpler. They were also bound a by having to have some extra emissions features. But really the electric throttle enables a lot of simplification.
Thank you! What would you be cautious about? With good sizing and dual lambdas the pressure loss should be very low and on top of that compensation from the lambdas.
@@islandworks 4cyl Subarus have a nasty habit of leaning out on the last cylinder in the chain, and being overly rich on the first. The 6cyls run parallel 'dead head' rails which seemingly entirely avoids this problem
I don't know how this interacts with a high-powered fuel pump, but I'd be concerned that the drop is always going to be a percentage across the length of the feed, and I'm developing something of a theory around pressure wave timing from the injector pulses.
I had a look at it just now and I know what you mean. If the flow at high power required through the lines is high enough to cause a pressure drop the last cylinder will get less fuel through the injector and could run lean. In the Subaru the lines seem to be very small and I can see this happening. You would have this in any engine is the sizing of the rails is not enough at the flow you are at. Think about a straight 8 which typically runs 1 rail sized for the application. In my case the connecting line between is an AN8 and with dual lambdas as well as I have a fuel pressure sensor. I believe this will run well, and if not the sensors will tell me I have a sizing issue ;-)
@@islandworks if you install extra bungs you can put the sensors in the first and last cylinder primaries to double check. And you're right. Subaru fuel lines typically are around 6mm ID. It's made me super cautious either way... I don't build single bank engines, but the longest chain I'd want on a rail would be 4cyl if I did.
@@islandworks Billet är alltid trevligt ☺ Men jag undrade vem du var i kontakt ang gjutning. Har mailat några men det var fantasipriser eller så var det för lite att besvära sig med.
Yes where can i buy this intake set up?? I have spoken to Jan in the past about some carbon parts before, is he going to sell this ??? anyway awesome build, i'm doing similar with 993, Gt2 evo rep for track,
Awesome work & vid! My engine needs to be rebuild sometime soon (185k KM so far) and I would love to have something like your build in my car. I look forward to learning if it works as well as it looks and if you will be selling the parts later to other 964 enthusiats.
Interesting setup. I have not seen anybody run gt3 intake with single throttle on a 963/993. Do you have any info on how does it compare to itb setup with gt3 intake on top?
The idle is always always complicated on a highly tuned 964/993 engine. With this setup it will be much smoother and the car becomes more drivable. I have a friend that tunes a lot of these engines and he did one recently with great results saying “electric throttle is the way to go”.
Looks great! I've been considering some of the ITB kits out there - this has the potential of being a low cost alternative. So the future ECU state for this is speed density with no Mass Air meter? Nice!
@@islandworks I'd consider it if the costs are far less than ITBs. I already have a 996 GT3 intake in anticipation of piecing together an ITB setup but this is very intriguing!
Doing Car Things ok got it, I would not expect this to be cheaper than ITB, just different technology with the pros and cons as you usually get with different things.
@@islandworks Darn - I was hoping that with the commercially available throttle body and intake adapters, that I could save some money. I'll keep watching!
I’ll do some deep dive testing later on. The biggest thing is the simplicity and the drivability you get with an aggressively tuned engine and an electric throttle body.
Island Works Sweden love your work! Not looking for a track car myself but there’s a lot I see myself doing to shed weight and improve drivability. Can’t wait to see the end result.
I am fascinated with your 3-D printing capabilities I am building a 4 Cylinder 911 engine and I need assistance or would like to know or get help with my intake system this is something you're willing to assist me on please feel free to give me a check back thank you i enjoyed watching your build
I am watching and wondering ...is this video just a posing video or you really cut only one side of resonance valve's tube. This valve must stay right in the middle between two plenums to separate volume in two equal parts. You cut one side and now the valve is off center - so now one side is less volume, than other, different resonance, different torque curve, different everything in low to mid rpm before the valve opens... Very sad
That’s what you get when you reuse other parts. The new one I use nowadays is made from scratch with the valve in the middle. Different volumes is not necessarily bad though as it distributes the effect. You test and see ;-)
So much of this presentation separates you from the other 99% of us. Autocad work, printing, testing, lathe work, engineering, partnerships for prototyping etc.. Impressive and while haters will hate, you should be extremely proud - this is great work! (not a fan of the rock music during x3 speed/assembly, however).
Thank you for the nice comment. I have also come to realize that rock and x3 is not the best combo ;-)
I have my 911 G body waiting to be built, setting my garage to do this exact same thing. You are an inspiration, not only as a fellow engineer but as a car enthusiast willing to push the envelope on current hobby technologies. Sending much love and appreciation from Los Angeles, CA.
This is who I want to be in my next life. Bravo!!
That’s a great comment. Happy to inspire!
Dude, I have never seen anyone use a 3D printer 🖨 as deadly as you, you're not just a 3D wizard but deadly mechanic/engineer!!! Gorgeous work 💪👷👏👌
3D printing will change the world. I bought a printer as a toy and now find things in my kitchen coming out of that thing. It’s a really great tool!!!
@@islandworks watching you wants to make get one. I was watching drift works and Phil mentioned you as a great guy who is a genius, I have to say he’s right. I’m trying to find the episode where you do motor work.
Bad ass - super well done from design to execution.
Awesome man!!
Congrats from Mexico!
Attention to detail is exquisite, I have officially stopped all my 964 engine upgrade plans until you finish !
I will try to speed up as much as I can to finish then ;-)
me too!!! very cool .....
Wow, you're really good at 3D design. I got into 3D printing for a couple of years and built some stuff with OpenSCAD so I know a little bit about it. The way you did the angled injector bosses and integrated the original aircool seal was next level.
3D printing started out as a little side project and is now something I use for tools, boxes, fixes and whatever. It’s great!
Holy crap man- how is gas this channel not exploded!!
Good job!! Congratulations!!
So glad this came up in my suggestion feed. The level of detail and explanation is awesome. Thank you! SUBSCRIBED!
Thanks! More coming very soon!
Nicely done! I want this intake so bad for my 964! Can't wait to hear that motor fire up.
Me to! I hope the rest of the build goes just as well!
Wondering how the torque/hp curve will change over the stock with this gt3 intake swap..
Should sound great too!
Excellent level of detail and like the way you approach problem solving. Excited to see it running!
Thanks and really looking forward to the first crank!
Here after watching Driftworks video and he suggested subbing to your channel... (Y)
Thanks for watching! Phil is great!
Take my money! Your channel is great! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. That carbon GT3 intake is incredible! Nice work. I've had 4 air-cooled cars, and I recently bought a 1990 C4 964. Recent top end down. Runs strong. Hopefully starting a refresh on the suspension and leaky oil cooler lines next year. Greetings from the Pacific NW, USA.
I just came across your channel. I love these kinds of detailed informatic videos, yours are probably the best on youtube (doing Porsche). This is Gold
It’s golden to be able to play with my car. I just wish there was more time for the fun!
Great episode. very clear
Thanks!
Stunning work as always 👍. I'm sure that whole intake system has many interesting buyer out there 😉
Let's see! I hope to get it running wild on my engine first!
For the throttle body adapter, go for something like nylon if you print to test, the materials you mentioned are high temp but will distort / melt with fuel exposure ( it will get some from waves pulsing fuel back up the intake )
Nowadays it’s made out of a nylon version with some additives for rigidity during higher temps.
Idk why this just popped up into my feed but man I'm totally fucking about it. Subscribed!
Have fun!
Fantastic video! really enjoying binge-watching the others. new sub.
Thanks! There is more new ideas coming soon ;-)
Correction, a narrowband Sensor can only measure Rich and Lean. It is not sensitive enough to measure an exact Stoichiometric condition. If you look at the voltage output of a Narrowband Sensor, it constantly flickers between 0.1 and 1.0 Volts, viewed graphically it looks very similar to an ECG of a heartbeat. Wideband Sensors are far more advanced, accurate , can measure a Stoichiometric condition as well as indicating how rich or lean the engine is running. Thank you for entertaining and sharing.
Yes this is correct and I tried to explain the general principle. To get anything good for tuning a proper wide band sensor is the best. In my updated engine I’m going for dual units with one on each header.
Really great work! Subscribed!
Loving the carbon intake Jan is a star
Jan is great!
Great work. Really impressive!
Next level. Great channel
Thanks!
dont stop man! my dream car is 964 :D really exited when it is will be done!
Hoping to drive the car end of this year ;-) (hoping!)
Jag älskar din arbetet!
Jag med :-)
Great work man, keep it up
Tjänare! Nice build!
Tackar!
Love your channel- just found you today (thanks algorithm). Subbed and liked!
Welcome to the channel! We're happy to have you here!
Amazing "episode"! Sounds super easy when you explain it. Crazy how much more complex 964s were compared to 993s, forgot 996...
Yes now it’s a lot simpler. They were also bound a by having to have some extra emissions features. But really the electric throttle enables a lot of simplification.
woohoo maxxecu for the win!
awesome work...
Thanks, it was some head scratching to get this together 👍🏻
This was an amazing episode, thanks
That was a great video! Awesome work. 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽
This is super cool... I'd b cautious about a serial system... Subaru owners will tell you how that can end.
Thank you! What would you be cautious about? With good sizing and dual lambdas the pressure loss should be very low and on top of that compensation from the lambdas.
@@islandworks 4cyl Subarus have a nasty habit of leaning out on the last cylinder in the chain, and being overly rich on the first. The 6cyls run parallel 'dead head' rails which seemingly entirely avoids this problem
I don't know how this interacts with a high-powered fuel pump, but I'd be concerned that the drop is always going to be a percentage across the length of the feed, and I'm developing something of a theory around pressure wave timing from the injector pulses.
I had a look at it just now and I know what you mean. If the flow at high power required through the lines is high enough to cause a pressure drop the last cylinder will get less fuel through the injector and could run lean. In the Subaru the lines seem to be very small and I can see this happening. You would have this in any engine is the sizing of the rails is not enough at the flow you are at. Think about a straight 8 which typically runs 1 rail sized for the application.
In my case the connecting line between is an AN8 and with dual lambdas as well as I have a fuel pressure sensor. I believe this will run well, and if not the sensors will tell me I have a sizing issue ;-)
@@islandworks if you install extra bungs you can put the sensors in the first and last cylinder primaries to double check. And you're right. Subaru fuel lines typically are around 6mm ID. It's made me super cautious either way... I don't build single bank engines, but the longest chain I'd want on a rail would be 4cyl if I did.
Truly amazing work!
Thanks Nick!
Super printer parts, good job!
Cheers from brazil
Obrigado pelo apoio! Espero que vc gostou o conteúdo ;-)
Awesome
Najs!
Vem ska gjuta om det inte blir billet?
Hej! Jag gick inte vidare med gjutning och har redan gjort i billet. Det blev riktigt snyggt ;-)
@@islandworks Billet är alltid trevligt ☺
Men jag undrade vem du var i kontakt ang gjutning. Har mailat några men det var fantasipriser eller så var det för lite att besvära sig med.
Yes where can i buy this intake set up?? I have spoken to Jan in the past about some carbon parts before, is he going to sell this ??? anyway awesome build, i'm doing similar with 993, Gt2 evo rep for track,
Hi! Send me a mail to info@islandworks.one and we see if we can set something up.
Awesome work & vid! My engine needs to be rebuild sometime soon (185k KM so far) and I would love to have something like your build in my car. I look forward to learning if it works as well as it looks and if you will be selling the parts later to other 964 enthusiats.
This part has been in my thoughts for quite some time. Felt good to finally knock it out 👍🏻
Absolutly top notch work! Is it still true that 1 kg = 1000 USD?
I think it’s still a bit lower than that at least for me.
bat shit incredible!
Interesting setup. I have not seen anybody run gt3 intake with single throttle on a 963/993. Do you have any info on how does it compare to itb setup with gt3 intake on top?
The idle is always always complicated on a highly tuned 964/993 engine. With this setup it will be much smoother and the car becomes more drivable. I have a friend that tunes a lot of these engines and he did one recently with great results saying “electric throttle is the way to go”.
Looks great! I've been considering some of the ITB kits out there - this has the potential of being a low cost alternative. So the future ECU state for this is speed density with no Mass Air meter? Nice!
Yes the concept you use is the manifold pressure together with the throttle position. You also run it with feedback from a wide band lambda.
@@islandworks I'd consider it if the costs are far less than ITBs. I already have a 996 GT3 intake in anticipation of piecing together an ITB setup but this is very intriguing!
Doing Car Things ok got it, I would not expect this to be cheaper than ITB, just different technology with the pros and cons as you usually get with different things.
@@islandworks Darn - I was hoping that with the commercially available throttle body and intake adapters, that I could save some money.
I'll keep watching!
Hi. I’m very interested to know how they made those carbon intake manifolds. Are you able to share any information?
There are complete composite intakes right down to the flange. Do those motors running hotter than most?
There are intake runners down towards the cylinder heads that are connected with rubber boots.
What kind of 3D printer are you using to print the test parts?
I have a Prusa MK3S. It’s great!
beautiful. what about hp gains with this drop in weight? any idea?
I’ll do some deep dive testing later on. The biggest thing is the simplicity and the drivability you get with an aggressively tuned engine and an electric throttle body.
Island Works Sweden love your work! Not looking for a track car myself but there’s a lot I see myself doing to shed weight and improve drivability. Can’t wait to see the end result.
May I ask, what engine management ECU are you using for AFR and Coil on plug management?
I’m using Motec M-series
will you have these parts for sale at one point?
There seems to be quite a few interested so yes I think I need to. It will take some time though as I need to test it first
very interested too!!!
That's a volume airflow meter, not mass airflow meter. :)
I agree. Often referred to as air flow meter rather than MAF.
Yea I’ve gotta do this!! 🙌🏼✌️ sign me up if your reproducing components
Have you ever counted how many tools you have in your garage???
We need more for sure!
I am fascinated with your 3-D printing capabilities I am building a 4 Cylinder 911 engine and I need assistance or would like to know or get help with my intake system this is something you're willing to assist me on please feel free to give me a check back thank you i enjoyed watching your build
Send me a mail via my home page please islandworks.one
👌🏾👍🏾👌🏾I did like the cast aluminum GT3 pieces better but yours are lighter
Awesome work.. If this succeeds and we have a cost effective solution.. I am very interested!!
Thanks and stay tuned ;-)
is this available?
Check out islandworks.one for updates.
I have a 964 and been wanting something like this. Do you plan on making this setup to sell? Please. I want one from you.
By the way this Mike the host of Pcar talk podcast.
Eventually I will, but need to figure out the last little things first and test it. Send me a PM.
You sound like Christian Von Koenigsegg
A Swedish hero 👍🏻
I am watching and wondering ...is this video just a posing video or you really cut only one side of resonance valve's tube. This valve must stay right in the middle between two plenums to separate volume in two equal parts. You cut one side and now the valve is off center - so now one side is less volume, than other, different resonance, different torque curve, different everything in low to mid rpm before the valve opens... Very sad
That’s what you get when you reuse other parts. The new one I use nowadays is made from scratch with the valve in the middle.
Different volumes is not necessarily bad though as it distributes the effect. You test and see ;-)
Long runners
HI. ARE YOU SALE KIT ON. INTAKE LOVE. BUY ONE. 964
In the future I might, but first need to test it.
I think we are all waiting for performance parts like that...🙏